User talk:Nrycar

Stop pushing your website
Nick, if your website was popular, people would add it to the links themselves. You're just trying to advertise your website. I'm pretty sure that's a no-no. I've deleted your edits per Links normally to be avoided. I feel I was justified in rv'ing your edits particularly from the following: 3. Links mainly intended to promote a website. 5.Links to sites with objectionable amounts of advertising. Also, Conflict of interest. Particularly this statement: 3. avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your corporation in other articles (see Spam). If you feel I was wrong, I will gladly discuss it furthur, or you could talk to an admin about it. Thanks. Mwutz 07:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

(from User talk:Quarl) Hello. It looks like you recently did a speedy delete on my entry for Deeko. While I certainly understand your reasoning, I'd like to offer up my rationale if I may.

So far as I can see, there are two reasons behind the deletion, and I'd like to address each individually. The first, and most obvious is a conflict of interest. I work for the site Deeko.com and as such, any traffic that might go its way via wikipedia is benefical to me personally. I do agree with the general wiki policy on the matter, but after thinking a long while about it, I decided it would be justifiable so long as I adhered to a couple of self-set rules:

1) Make sure my motivation is clear to myself: while generating traffic is all well and good, it's auxiliary as far as I could see. Deeko sort of exists as an alternative to "mainstream" game journalism, and while I won't be so naive as to prepose that it offers a "better", or even drastically different, product from IGN or Gamespot, I feel that it offers a decent contrast quite often.  As such, I felt that a site that attmepts to provide "balance", as it were, to what's already readily available fits in with Wikipedia's overall commitment to neutrality.

2) Add the article as a stub: Since I do agree with the overall conflict of interest guideline, I wanted to make sure that any article I posted served only as a jumping off point for others to build upon.

3) Create an account: Perhaps my biggest mistake here was not coming to an admin before I posted the article for guidence, but at the very least I wanted to be accountable for my post. Adding annonymously or making a phony-ish name seemed to directly conflict with rule 1 up there.  So, I figured, if anyone takes issue, I don't want there to be any question of who did what.

The second reason, and the one stated in the deletion notes, is the site's relevence. This I feel can contest with no guilt. While readership is low compared to some other listed sites, I do want to be clear that Deeko is a fully fledged game review site, and not a blog or fleeting project. It's been around since 2001, and was, at a time, a fairly widely read site. At present we have roughly 1,000-3,000 visitors a day, which I know is peanuts in internet terms, but what I think makes the case is outside recognition.

Gamerankings, if memory serves, adds you to their "bolded" list of sites once you have 300 or more reviews filed with them. Deeko has had that status for (again, if memory serves) roughly a year now and as such has been on their main page from time to time. Also, we've been lucky enough to have the opportunity to develop a rapport with a number of developers, and recently both Atlus and Bethesda have featured our reviews on their pages.

Again, I have to apologize for going into self-promotion mode, but I don't feel I can make that particular point without doing so... at least a little. At any rate, I realize we're still growing, but I feel that we've garnered enough noteriety to warrent a wiki entry.

Beyond all this, I feel I need to mention that I also added a number of links to deeko reviews to games' wiki entries. [User:Mwutz] noticed and deleted the entries and these I'm not contesting. They were meant to be something of a traffic experiment, not meant to stay up for long, and I apologize for not going through the proper channels in my haste. You have my assurance that this will not happen again.

Finally (I know this is a mouthful), I want you to know that if you still feel that the Deeko entry shouldn't exist, I will abide by your decision. I have no intention to force myself or the site I'm representing on the wiki community at large. Know however, that if you decide to keep the article deleted, it's my intention to make sure that it doesn't stay so forever. This isn't a threat of any sort, mind you, I just have faith that we'll continue to grow until there's no doubt about the validity of our inclusion. If'n we don't make the cut now, you better believe we're gonna keep working as hard as we have been to make sure we do.

Thanks so much for your time and consideration. Hope to catch you again in my non-deeko wiki-ing. Nrycar 03:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Nrycar, thank you for the polite message. I have undeleted the article and moved discussion to Articles for deletion/Deeko.  Please restate your arguments on that page, and also improve the Deeko article to show how it meets the criteria at WP:WEB. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-19 07:28Z 

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