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Etienne Dolet?
Puppetry?

?? T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 21:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * that the majority of citizens on holiday would be İhsanoğlu. After the election, MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli blamed Erdoğan's outright victory on "holidaymakers and boycotters," which had

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August 2014
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August 2014
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring and violating the three-revert rule, as you did at Turkish presidential election, 2014. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Bbb23 (talk) 01:33, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Some of what you say is welcome. However, there are still some things you fail to understand about how things work at Wikipedia. Violating 3RR because you want things to remain in a particular state while dispute resolution is going on is not acceptable. There are very few defenses to breaching 3RR, and that is not one of them. I also don't think it's fair to say that the other editor ignored you. Both of you expressed your point of view, and you could not agree. Taking it to dispute resolution was a great idea, but edit-warring to keep your version was not. The fact that you want to restore your version if you're unblocked is not something that would convince me to unblock you. Quite the contrary. Leaving the article alone completely while dispute resolution progresses would be a much better approach. If the other editor can't participate because of their much longer block, then you'd still have to get a consensus from other editors that your version is appropriate. Indeed, it would be best if someone other than you implemented any consensus to that effect, if you obtain one.--Bbb23 (talk) 08:02, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Frankly, I think it would be best if you just didn't touch the article for any reason. In that way, there can be no misunderstanding as to your intentions. If you'll give me reassurance to that effect, I'll unblock you. Just reply to this post in the normal way. Don't make another unblock request.--Bbb23 (talk) 08:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Hi. I don't understand your reason for not allowing me to edit the article. For example, I was planning to add the Kyrgyzstan President's reaction to Erdogan's victory to the "international reactions" section. I am unsure about why this may be misunderstood to be anything about the conflict about the colour. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 10:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You've been offered an easy way to be unblocked. Take it or leave it. OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:46, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. I have contributed significant amount of my time to expand the Turkish presidential election, 2014 page in order to help Wikipedia's readers. I wish to contribute more to the best of my abilities for their benefit, since there are several bits of information (e.g. under the "Conduct" and "Aftermath" sections) that need to be expanded. These aren't of any relevance to the issue which resulted in me being banned in the first place and are unrelated to the dispute. If the "easy" way of being unblocked means that I must forfeit my ability to edit this article and help make it better, then I would rather serve the full term of my ban. Thanks for your help and apologies for taking up your time. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The agreement not to edit the article at all would last only until the other issue has been resolved. It would not be indefinite. It's up to you, of course, but just bear in mind that once you've been blocked for edit-warring on an article, any resumption after expiration of the block, even if it's only one revert or restoration of material, would likely trigger a longer block. The administrator evaluating it would have to determine whether what you're doing is reasonable or whether it's a continuation. Finally, don't use the word "ban" as that means something else, and you don't have to apologize for taking up our time. You've been quite polite. That, in and of itself, is refreshing coming from a blocked user.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:31, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome back after your block. A long time ago, I wrote an essay called In praise of 1RR, which could possibly be of interest. PhilKnight (talk) 05:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. I was left without internet connection for a day and during that time my block expired. It turns out that I genuinely have wasted your time over a 48 hour block, and although you told me not to, I apologise. In consideration of your prompt responses in reply to my unblock requests, I would like to thank all of you and give you my word that I will never violate 3RR or any other rule again. I hope that there is never a case where I have to violate 1RR either. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 13:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Results by province (Thanks / Teşekkür ederim)
Thank you for improving the map with the results obtained by each candidate by province in Turkey. I had already edited it in the French Wikipedia, I was now going to edit it in English, but it's already there. Now in the French article, the maps are a bit displaced but I don't know if I'm able to solve that problem. If you could help me, I'd thank you very much (if you can't, I guess someone will fix it anyway, or I can try, copy-pasting the the info from the English Wikipedia).Mondolkiri1 (talk) 05:07, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I made some colour changes (red for Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu) but in the file where you added transparency, the map is now in a black background. Could you correct that, please? (I don't know how to fix it)Mondolkiri1 (talk) 19:36, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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Just an amusing comment
I had noticed that you were interested in politics. But, I looked at the photo, and, by being interested in politics means that you're also interested about David Cameron? Couldn't they have gotten a better photo to represent politics?Mondolkiri1 (talk) 02:08, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Haha, I like Cameron and I found a userbox that contained him, so I used it. But I see your point T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 23:11, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

The Tone of "Ahmet Davutoglu" Wiki Page
Thanks indeed for your improvement.

You wrote in your own profile that you have been paying great attention to remain neutral and it is clear that your word choice and sentence structures are quite adequate.

I recommend to expand the page's tone.

He is a fresh PM right now, and it draws our attention that he pays much more attention his statements than his tenure in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

And it is obvious that Behlul Ozkan is against Davutoglu's notions. But it is also important to mention that as an academician he is quite professional to keep his objectivity while he was writing an article, a column or a book about a political figure.

Ozkan's own attitudes [about Davutoglu] and Ozkan's academic conclusion [about Davutoglu] are two different categories.

While I was saying "expanding the tone", I do not mean to put all the allegations about Davutoglu into the entire page, to make the page a list of "rights and wrongs".

You finalized the sentence as "Since Davutoğlu is a Sunni Muslim, Ozkan stated that Iran is not part of Davutoğlu's plans for a united Middle East."

I recommend this after your sentence as

"Davutoglu observes parallel manners between Turgut Ozal and Abdul Hamid II. He criticizes Ozal because of his pro-West notions and admires the pan-Islamic trend of Abdul Hamid II's tenure. Ozkan claims that there might be a misreading in Davutoglu's perspective: The pan-Islamic trend of Abdul Hamid II was defensive because he was struggling to protect the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire. However, Davutoglu does not have defensive but expansionist pan-Islamic notions. "

Waiting for your reply...

Regards --Toksoz (talk) 13:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for your message. I see nothing wrong with that paragraph, but perhaps we can make it more neutral? I've revised it as follows, if you think its better than please add it, if you don't then please add your own version.


 * "Davutoğlu arguably observes parallel manners between Turgut Özal and Abdul Hamid II. According to Özkan, he criticizes Özal because of his pro-West notions and supports the pan-Islamic trend of Abdul Hamid II's tenure. Özkan claims that there might be a misreading in Davutoglu's perspective: The pan-Islamic trend of Abdul Hamid II was defensive because he was struggling to protect the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire. However, Davutoglu can be said to have not defensive but expansionist pan-Islamic notions, as shown by his policies of active participation and direct intervention in the Syrian Civil War, Somalia and 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict. "T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 23:11, 30 August 2014 (UTC)




 * I reviewed your version and changed it a little bit.


 * You, I and most of those who follow the affairs occurred (and still happening) in and around Turkey are quite aware of Davutoglu's acts and statements.


 * I placed your version into the page without the "Somalia" and "2014 Israel-Gaza conflict" titles. You are completely right writing these two titles but I found two reasons why it would be better your version without them:


 * 1. In that particular "Pan-Islamism" paragraph (clarified by Behlul Ozkan) mostly written into Davutoglu's wiki page by you and I, in his statements to Taraf newspaper, he did not mention the "Somalia" and "2014 Israel-Gaza conflict" cases. Obviously, Ozkan also knows very well that there were direct involvement (of Davutoglu's mindset) in those two events but -- maybe -- during the interview Ozkan totally forgot or did not prefer to mention those. So to keep the original source's sincerity, I thought it might be better not to write these two titles.


 * 2. In Davutoglu's wiki page, the "2014 Israel-Gaza conflict" title was already written in the introduction section. And for "Somalia" case, there is a separate subtitle marked as "2.9 Somalia".


 * Regards --Toksoz (talk) 11:03, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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I have reverted the revisions of 109.152.104.202 (most prominently on List of Prime Ministers of Turkey), without waiting since I thought I would not be able to discuss it with him/her as he/she was not registered. However, looking at the history of some pages and given your interest, the thought occurred to me that you may be the one who made those revisions, so I wanted to write to you so that we can discuss it. If not, then let me just use this opportunity to thank you for the extremely valuable contributions that you have made in a lot of those pages (and you may still weight in the discussion on numbering, of course).

Also, see Talk:Opinion polling for the 2015 Turkish general election, if you have not already.--Cfsenel (talk) 22:00, 12 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hiya, those reverts (IP addresses) were made by myself, I was not logged in at the time. For some reason, the English wikipedia does not count a Prime Minister more than once even if he/she has held the office on multiple occasions. As far I'm aware, this issue has been discussed on the List of Prime Ministers of Italy page (and also the Silvio Berlusconi page) where I believe the consensus was to count each Prime Minister once. In my personal opinion I think that both systems of numbering make sense, but we need to comply with the numbering systems for the leaders of other countries on Wikipedia for consistency. Also, a few Turkish newspapers consider Davutoglu to be the 26th Prime Minister (see references). This might be something to bear in mind.    I understand that it takes a lot of time and effort to change the numbering of 27 different pages, so I apologise for reverting those edits without consulting you beforehand. Also, thanks very much for appreciating the other edits I have made. I obviously value your own contributions equally and hope we can both develop the Turkish political pages of Wikipedia in the lead-up to the 2015 general election.  T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 22:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I was not aware of the Berlusconi discussion (actually, I still could not find it on Talk:Silvio Berlusconi/Archive 3, can you point me to it?). Wikipedia seems divided on the issue. I only checked a few countries that were of interest to me at the time (France, US, Greece), and mistakenly thought that the usage on those pages was the consensus. Here is the usage on some pages that I now cared to look:

Prime Ministers serving non-consecutive terms are counted more than once:
 * List of Prime Ministers of France (e.g. Poincaré 76, 89, 95)
 * List of Prime Ministers of Greece (e.g. Venizelos 93, 95, 102, 112, 121, 123, 125)
 * List of Prime Ministers of Portugal (e.g. Bandeira 7, 9)
 * List of Prime Ministers of Iran (e.g. Tonekaboni 3, 7, 9, 13)
 * List of Prime Ministers of Serbia (e.g. Pašić 46, 62, 65, 68, 71)
 * List of Presidents of the United States (e.g. Cleveland 22, 24)

Prime Ministers serving non-consecutive terms aren't counted more than once:
 * List of Prime Ministers of Bulgaria
 * List of Prime Ministers of Israel
 * List of Chancellors of Austria
 * List of Prime Ministers of Japan
 * List of Prime Ministers of Canada
 * List of Prime Ministers of Australia
 * List of Prime Ministers of New Zealand
 * List of Prime Ministers of India

Both counting schemes are used:
 * List of Prime Ministers of South Korea

The lists for Italy, Spain, Netherlands, United Kingdom do not use numbers for the prime ministers. It seems that English speaking countries tend not to count non-consecutive terms more than once. Of course, if there was any accepted usage in the country, that would overrule the consensus on Wikipedia for other countries. However, officially the prime ministers are not counted in Turkey (the governments are, the 62nd of which is headed by Davutoğlu). Also in everyday life, the numbers for governments are rarely used. I am almost certain that anyone who referred to Davutoğlu as the 26th prime minister got that information from Wikipedia, as Turkish Wikipedia referred to him at the time (it now says 37th). For pre-wikipedia prime ministers, do not return any meaningful results, nor does the other numbering scheme. I am also quite certain that a few sources will call the next prime minister 38th, not 27th, provided Turkish Wikipedia remains the way it is now. The point is that prime ministers are not normally numbered in Turkey, and when they are, there is no accepted way to do it. (Here is a website that surprisingly did not copy and paste from Wikipedia, and refers to Davutoğlu as 37th prime minister: )

I realize that a case can be made for both numbering schemes. I tend to think that the usage in France, Germany and Greece makes more sense. Before my reversion, Süleyman Demirel article said he "served as the 12th Prime Minister of Turkey five times between the years 1965 and 1993." Or consider the sentence "İnönü served as the 1st Prime Minister of Turkey three times, from 1923 to 1924, 1925 to 1937, and 1961 to 1965." It really does not make sense to me, as one can do something the first only once; one cannot serve as the first prime minister of Turkey more than once. It seems almost semantically wrong. But then again, maybe it does make sense to native English speakers, given that they usually use that numbering. I am sure one could present arguments for the other numbering method. Perhaps it is best not to use numbers, at least in the articles for each prime minister, which would also avoid original research (e.g. Nihat Erim probably never considered himself either 13th or 15th prime minister, no newspapers referred to him as such, but only as the head of 33rd and 34th governments, and there is no reputable contemporary source that numbers him 13th or 15th, it is us who do the counting, which could be claimed to be original research).--Cfsenel (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I did not realise that Wikipedia was divided on this issue and mistakenly assumed that the dispute in the case of Italy was the case for all countries. I think it's really about what numbering system is best for Turkey, which is unique since there have been Prime Ministers serving for up to five times non-consecutively. In the cases of Ecevit and Demirel for example, I would actually argue that neither numbering system is very beneficial. If we use the original numbering system, you correctly point out that the phrase '...served as the 16th Prime Minister of Turkey five times...' doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, assigning up to five different numbers in the infoboxes is also rather confusing. I would therefore propose not actually using any numbers on the infoboxes of the Prime Ministers' articles and only use numbers in the List of Prime Ministers of Turkey article. This is also because Atatürk, Çakmak, Orbay and Okyar are also listed as Prime Ministers but without numbers because they were heads of the Ankara Government. This may also be confusing since there is a break in the sequence for all prime ministers before İnönü. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 16:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, five numbers in the infoboxes can be confusing; and together with the fact that they are unofficial and uncertain, it is best to leave them out of the Prime Ministers' articles.--Cfsenel (talk) 23:11, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * In this case, I'll copy and paste this discussion into the talk section of the List of Prime Ministers of Turkey article so that we can refer to it in the edit summary while removing the numbers from the infoboxes. This will mean that people won't think that we are deleting information in an unexplained manner and also will allow editors who disagree to look over what we've said and contribute their own views if they aren't convinced. I would also quickly add in further support of not having numbers that in the UK's case, Prime Ministers aren't numbered because their jurisdiction has never been consistent. For example, Pitt the Younger was the Prime Minister of Great Britain, but the prime ministers that succeeded him were Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom. In Turkey we have a similar case - we have had Prime Ministers of the Turkish Republic and Prime Ministers of the Ankara government, so numbering is again an issue of perspective rather than a set fact. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 00:48, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

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