User talk:NuclearWarfare/Archive 9

Account Creation request #27089
Hi NuclearWarfare, I noticed that you closed the request as "Username vio". Prekshit is actually a name, and it returns more than 200 Google search results. --Joshua Issac (talk) 21:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I had sort of been thinking that too, so I asked for clarification from a couple admins that I knew were on at that time. Two of them said that they would softblock that if it had been reported via UAA, so I decided to err on the side of caution there. If you feel otherwise though, you are welcome to defer that request back to users and create it. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 21:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I e-mailed the the person and made sure it is a name. Do I need to ask at UAA still? --Joshua Issac (talk) 16:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd wait for a response from the e-mail, personally.  Syn  ergy 16:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It is an Indian name. Comes from Sanskrit and is used in several other Indian languages. prashanthns (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I already had the response.--Joshua Issac (talk) 19:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * NuclearWarefare, would you do it, please? I am not allowed to re-open requests. --Joshua Issac (talk) 07:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 20:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --Joshua Issac (talk) 20:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Reviewer's Award

 * Thanks :) NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 17:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Do not read this one - The Hunt - Outline of knowledge WikiProject - 04/17/2009
While surveying libraries, their outline-related resources, and our coverage of them, I came across something funny...

What subclass is the Bible in the Library of Congress Classification?

Do you think they'd like this one at WP:DYK? (Nope. They didn't.)

Libraries
For months, I've been sitting at a terminal in one of the largest libraries in the country, and I haven't even looked around at the available resources.

Until a few days ago.

I'm overwhelmed.

When compared to libraries, Wikipedia is small. (See Digest of Education Statistics 2008, Chapter 7:Libraries and Educational Technology Libraries, and turn to page 617).

But is that a fair comparison?

Yes.

Why?

Because we have growth potential. :)

And we cover everything, including libraries!

Guess what else I found?

Hunting for outlines
I began to study libraries and librarians, since they are experts in organizing knowledge. And of course I turned to Wikipedia to see what we had on the things I came across...

And while doing so I kept running into outlines on Wikipedia that are not (yet) part of the Outline of knowledge.

When I come across non-OOK outlines, generally I rename them, and reformat them to our standard outline format. But there is the occasional exception.

Here are some outlines I just added:


 * 1) List of energy topics --> Outline of energy (it converted great)
 * 2) List of Dewey Decimal classes --> Outline of Dewey Decimal classes (no conversion)
 * 3) Library of Congress Classification --> ??? (no rename, no conversion)

The last 2 are outlines by their very nature, and so our standard outline subheadings didn't seem to fit. So I left them as is.

I renamed the first 2, but the last one is the name of the outline, that is, the topic itself is an outline, and that outline is presented as the article's content, so I left the name as is. For now. This needs more thought.

Of course, that's not all. Concerning those last 2 outlines above...

Alternate outlines of knowledge
...not only are they outlines, but they are outlines of knowledge! Well, the top few levels, at least.

Uh, so?

What happens if we linkify them? :)

That is, what happens if we linkify their classifications to Wikipedia's outlines? :)  :)   :)

They become alternate top ends to the OOK
Yep.

What can you find?
I challenge you to find some outlines.

I dare you to take a look around Wikipedia for hidden outlines (that is, outlines not yet hooked into the OOK), and add your kills to WP:WPOOK.

My trophies are already there.

May the hunt begin!
The Transhumanist 19:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

*huggle*
Just wanted to huggle you :P And to pointlessly spam you on IRC. :P~ -- Mix well ! Talk 02:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Smile!


NuclearWarfare, Juliancolton has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. 02:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

*huggle*

 * huggle* -- Mix well ! Talk 02:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

*huggle*

 * huggle* -- Mix well ! Talk 02:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

*huggle*

 * huggle* -- Mix well ! Talk 02:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Your reversion of edits to Dust jacket
I suspect you reverted the edits because they were from an IP only, and there was a ton of small edits. But the person who added the material is actually perhaps the foremost expert in the world on dust jackets, whom I contacted after he wrote some interesting stuff on a book history forum. His site is http://nineteenthcenturydustjackets.com/, and he made those edits in good faith and from a position of knowledge. I will try to wikify and source the info, but please, please don't just revert them wholesale. J L G 4 1 0 4 11:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm so sorry. I saw the mass influx of material, and for some reason, I must have assumed it was vandalism. I don't know what to blame; perhaps it was the late night, but more probably it was me not assuming good faith. I shall do my best to investigate further. My apologies, NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 14:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. In fact, because the changes were by a newbie I'd encouraged to write, and I'm relatively new myself, we've found ourselves in a copy vio quandary. He's a dust jacket expert (perhaps the only one!), and his web site includes a draft of a book he's writing. Some of the material in his WP contribution may be pretty close to verbatim from there. So even though it's his own stuff, it's been pointed out that he could run into problems trying to copyright protect stuff later that he has presently put into the public domain on WP (moreover, if he's copyright protected his web site, then we also have a potential copy vio problem). We'll figure it all out, but it's been a lesson for me! J L G 4 1 0 4  00:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw this, and I disabled my Wikibreak just to edit through here. (I'm so sorry, I'll be unavailable after this, though or  are both two excellent active users who would love to help you out.) As for the copyvio problem, his site will still be 100% copyright-protected, so that will be OK. One suggestion for this would be to perhaps write his Wikipedia contributions off-wiki and then move them over after the close wording is changed. In any case, I wish you luck with your editing, and hope you continue to make Wikipedia a more useful encyclopedia.  NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 02:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Timeline of the 1993 Atlantic hurricane season
Hope you don't mind if I copyedit/expand it. -- Dylan 620  Efforts · Toolbox 11:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead. Please do expand it. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 14:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

ClueBotArciver
Ty for the revert  Chzz  ►  18:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 19:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

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Request for help
I've been rewriting the Outline article from scratch.

Before I move it to article space, it needs to be finished and completely referenced.

I need your help on it.

The Transhumanist 01:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Featured list removal candidates/United States Academic Decathlon National Championship/archive1
Can you expand your comments on this FLRC? I'm not exactly sure what is wrong with the list. Highlighting your concerns in a more specific manner might be beneficial, especially for people who want to fix the list. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 06:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I have expanded my concerns at the FLRC. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 19:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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Please be more careful
You should be more careful, to leave me a message, just because I used the wrong tag. Instead it would be more appropriate to fix it. --Juliaaltagracia (talk) 02:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * NuclearWarfare was correct in leaving you a message. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to expound of Julian's comment a bit: That page should not have been deleted at all, especially with a made up rationale. Articles tagged for speedy deletion should clearly fit the CSD criteria, or not be tagged with db template at all.  NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 02:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Julian. I really do not need your opinion in this. I saw it was you who removed the tag. Why didn´t you just fixed it. --Juliaaltagracia (talk) 02:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC) Julian stop following editors please.......--Juliaaltagracia (talk) 02:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, Juliaaltagracia, I'm one of Nuke's talk page stalkers. Couple of things I'd like to clarify. I've reviewed the page and it, in no way, fits any CSD criteria. That being said, it's impossible for him to "fix" the tag and make it the appropriate one. What I think Nuke is saying (and he should correct me if he's wrong), is that you should take a look at the speedy deletion criteria again as to avoid this sort of problem in the future. The best tag to place in this situation is the mergeto template, which Nuke has done (effectively "fixing it" so to speak). If you still feel the page should be deleted, feel free to send it to WP:AfD or tag it with a prod tag.
 * Letting you know, hence the message, is a common courtesy. Personally, I regret not having received messages like the one Nuke sent when my CSDs were declined; those would have helped make me more precise in my CSD tagging. The message really wasn't bitey nor did it criticize you. I feel that it was both a a friendly reminder and a helpful nudge. Did you read it differently? I'd like to know what you found improper about his message.
 * On the note of Julian, he's an admin and a friend of Nuke's. Julian hardly followed you onto this page; I'll bet he's like me and has Nuke's talkpage on his watchlist. Furthermore, his judgment is usually impeccable when it comes to CSDs. If he removed the CSD, the page definitely cannot be CSD'd. If you have any further questions, feel free to leave them here (or on my talk page, whichever you prefer). ɳ OCTURNE ɳ OIR  talk //  contribs 02:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh please how many people are interfering in this nonsense discussion? Julian does nothing more than to block or reverting new user’s contributions.  I am not arguing about the proper or improper tag I placed.  I just think, that instead, Julian should have fix the tag and put a summary in the article.  No need to waist time writing in my talk page.

Julian is always patrolling and blocking new users, instead of given then a chance. --Juliaaltagracia (talk) 03:12, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Any blocks I make are within policy, I believe; however, if you disagree, feel free to initiate a discussion at WP:ANI. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Firstly, this isn't a nonsense discussion. By tagging a page with a CSD tag, you may be doing exactly what you are accusing Julian of doing—driving away new editors. Please be careful with your CSDs.
 * Second, Julian did not send you the message; NuclearWarfare did. They are separate users.
 * Third, I actually got a chance to check your block. Personally, I disagree with his block (though it is completely within policy) and agree that a warning should have been placed. However, this does not change the fact that Julian is an admin. He patrols the CSD backlog, and has every right to remove CSD tags that he feels are improper. He did not revert you, and he certainly couldn't "fix" your tag, as I've explained above. Any other admin, or any other passing editor, could have just as easily removed your CSD tag because it was improper. Julian just happened to be the first, and certainly shouldn't be the target of your ire for this reason.
 * I'd also like to point out that I don't like to repeat what I've said, but it feels like you didn't read what I wrote. I addressed both your "fix" comment and "writing on your talk page" comment, and you're bringing them up again as if you're ignoring me. Please read what I've wrote and try to understand the logic behind both the message and the "fix" that Nuke made. ɳ OCTURNE ɳ OIR  talk //  contribs 03:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I’m not driving away any user by placing a CSD on a page. Pages are reviewed by other users and administrators before they are deleted.  I know that Nuclear was the one who advised me of the removal of the tag that Julian did.   Julian on the other hand does drive new users away, by blocking them indefinitely and by not explaining what they are doing wrong.  I did put the wrong tag; instead I should have placed a merge template, as other user placed in other article I wrongly tag.

I am not ignoring you. I read what you wrote. But when you say that you don’t like to repeat what you said, you really sound a little arrogant. Going to sleep and dedicate time to my family. Happy dreams to all of you. Not going to waist more time. Im not going to fix the world. Good night. --Juliaaltagracia (talk) 04:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * My apologies if I came off arrogant; I did not intend to do so. However, Julian does not drive users away. Just because you had a poor experience with him does not mean you have the right to slander him like this. Please either avoid continuing these attacks or take this issue to WP:ANI as Julian suggested.
 * But back to the topic at hand. While CSD taggings must be reviewed first, wouldn't you be insulted if your first message from anybody on Wikipedia was a deletion warning (i.e. "Your page has been tagged for deletion")? I probably would be, even now.
 * Anyway, have a nice night, and best wishes to you and your family. Sorry things went this way. ɳ OCTURNE ɳ OIR  talk //  contribs 04:10, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I am not attacking Julian, nor do I follow him around to see what he is doing. Yesterday he came to my attention when Nuclear placed his comments on my talk page.  Then I saw that he blocked new users in a short period of time. I’m just expressing my opinion that clear warnings should be given to users, that they are taking the risk of being block.

Last night I was sleepy and did not go to this link attacks you placed. I hope my comments are not twisted by any skillful user of the wikipedia rules, to use it against me to have me block.

About being insulted for tagging an article for deletion, I disagree. User can always mend or improve the article. On the other hand, if the new user is blocked with his first article, then he has no chance to learn or to demonstrate what his intentions were. Please take note that I will not go any further in this discussion. Just letting you know, so that you don’t think that I’m ignoring anybody.--Juliaaltagracia (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

USAD
Okay, I'm done with my once-over. I think it's looking good. I didn't look at the sources in-depth. One thing: I'm not crazy about that photo of Schaffer and Berdichevsky. It looks blurry to me and I have a huge screen—I imagine at more routine resolutions it won't look good at all. -- Laser brain  (talk)  04:14, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your copy edit, it is much appreciated.
 * As for the picture of Dean and DemiDec Dan, I think it looks fine in thumbnail form, though I do agree that it gets a bit blurry when you click on it. I think I'll keep it in for now, for two reasons: 1) I sacrificed a picture of myself with them to get this shot ;) and 2) The article really does not have very many images, and to get another picture of Berdichevsky will take me about a year (if we get lucky, Bibliomaniac15 can get in 9 months). So I think it would be best to keep it for now, and look to replace it as soon as possible. There is a chance I might be able to get one by contacting a few people on Academic Decathlon teams from years past.
 * And thanks once again for your copy edit. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 04:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I expected you would ask me about that. Using "a school in British Columbia" is extremely vague; what was the name of the school? I looked in the citations after the sentence to fix it myself, but could not find any mention of a school in BC.  bibliomaniac 1 5  The annual review... 17:13, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I looked for a good while, and simply could not find a reliable source that indicates the name of the school. This unofficial, almost-always-correct site indicates that the school's name is J.N. Burnett Secondary School, but I cannot find a more reliable source to back that up. Do you think you could give it a shot? NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 17:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Update: Managed to update with a ref. Dang, that was difficult to find. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 17:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Why, thank you!
I honestly appreciate the barnstar. Many, many thanks for it and for all your good work. :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You are welcome :) Happy Wiki-travels, NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 20:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Phineas and Ferb
Okay, sorry to undo your removal of the file on Phineas and Ferb. I just didn't understand why you did it. — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 20:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's no big deal. Please, feel free to ask if you ever have any questions. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 20:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Victoria Pynchon
I've been working hard to bring to bring Victoria Pynchon's article to a fully sourced version -- done with outside sources. I've made some real progress and was hoping you could look at it when you get a chance. Thanks very much! AuthorAuthor (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Very nice job, congratulations.. I just took a look at it and it seems pretty good. NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 02:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Editnotice
Thanks for the reply over on Peter's talk page. I never noticed that feature before seeing it on his page. Thanks for sharing the info with me. The one thing that would have helped just a bit more would have been a link to WP:Editnotice. It goes into a bit more technical detail (which I love). Based on your response, it took me a little bit to figure out that "Editnotice" must be some sort of magical page name that triggers that action. Anyway, thanks for the help. I've got it working now. Take care! &mdash; Will scrlt ( “Talk” ) 12:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, haha. I never actually knew of the existance of WP:Editnotice; I have just copied mine from User:Jimbo Wales/Editnotice. Sorry about that, but I'm glad you found it. Cheers, <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 15:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. (Good choice to copy from.) :-) I just thought I'd mention it to you given your editor review going on now. A pet peeve of mine is when people mention something (especially policies, guidelines, etc.) and don't link to it. I don't care how many times someone types it (well, not necessarily in the same paragraph or section even), it's probably somebody's first time reading it, and the link is beneficial. I know the alphabet soup of all the shortcuts I saw the first many times I visited XfD and other discussion areas made the learning curve frightfully high. The links are still helpful, because I can't keep all the CSD criteria and other details straight, because I don't use them often enough to have committed them to memory. I'm not saying you are bad about that (I haven't seen enough of your discussions), but rather that's why I included the link comment to you. Thanks again for your help! &mdash; Will scrlt ( “Talk” ) 17:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Thanks for the tip; I'll be sure to try to remember it in the future. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 18:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: on your message
Regarding this IP 121.54.100.146, I observed that user to be vandalizing the Wikipedia. Does he do the same stuff here? I was one of the people who have been reverting his edits (since it contain crude and false information) but the IP seems not giving exact references for such. I am, too, a viewer of the show he keeps on insisting but I haven't seen those stars. From: •LeMaR•  <sup style="color:blue;">我爱土木工程!  07:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC) and Lemar (on Tagalog wiki).
 * I was doing some bit of cross-wiki countervandalism, and I saw those edits, so I thought it best to ask an active local administrator. I was unsure if he has vandalized on English Wikipedia, but it seems like it to me as well. At the very least, his insertion of information without a source was disruptive. I would advise you to ask him to update his information with a source; perhaps that would work. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 21:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Requests_for_adminship/BQZip01_4
The support is appreciated. Thank you. — BQZip01 — talk 01:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

USAD FAC
Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the initiative to get the article up to snuff for FAC. I think it will easily pass. I'd been meaning to work on it but just never had the time. I should be having a lot more free time soon (1-2 weeks-ish) though and might take a stab at completing the Topics article. - Yohhans talk 00:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. You deserve most of the thanks though; you did a lot of work with that before I even started. And yeah, I should have time to work on topics then too. I poked acadectalk.com to help with some of it, and I should be able to get more access to official materials. We should be in pretty good shape for that one. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 01:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

GAN
New York's 20th congressional district special election, 2009 Best of luck if you decide to take it! ~  ωαdεstεr 16  «talkstalk» 01:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

IPBE
I have granted your account an exemption from IP blocking. This will allow you to edit through full blocks affecting your IP address when you are logged in.

Please read the page IP block exemption carefully, especially the section on IP block exemption conditions.

Note in particular that you are not permitted to use this newly-granted right to edit Wikipedia via anonymous proxies, or disruptively. If you do, or there is a serious concern of abuse, then the right may be removed by any administrator.

Appropriate usage and compliance with the policy may be checked periodically, due to the nature of block exemption, and block exemption will be removed when no longer needed (for example, when the block it is related to expires).

I hope this will enhance your editing, and allow you to edit successfully and without disruption.. J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds 20:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks j.delanoy. It's really appreciated. And congrats on hitting 250,000 edits! <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 20:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Javier Solís
Thank you for your edits to the above page. I have been reverting the nonsense that Solís was born in Nogales for, it seems, forever. I suppose that it is a form of urban legend, although any reputable biography lists his birthplace as Mexico City. Wishing you the best of the day,--Lyricmac (talk) 18:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. It seemed pretty fishy to me, and I thought I had remembered otherwise from previous random knowledge. Good luck, and happy editing, <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 18:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

A tad deletion-happy, aren't we?
I would question your good-faith efforts to find sources for Bosavern Penlez, when Google Books indicates 613 texts mentioning him, ranging from 1750 to 1984. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 19:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, what do you mean?
 * Is it Penley or Penlez? -- <B>Soap</B> Talk/Contributions 21:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see now. I must have used the Google recommended spelling, which would have messed me up. Good thing you caught that though, both Soap and Sherurcij. Thank you. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 21:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Outline of knowledge WikiProject update 05/10/2009
Development is moving steadily forward. We haven't created any new outlines lately, but a lot of editing of our existing outlines is taking place. Take a look at Buaidh's contributions. :)

I'm impressed.

I can safely say we now have another fanatic working on the project.

Importance of watching
A big danger to new pages or pages that have low traffic are prods. These are deletion proposals that don't have to go through AfD. If a prod sits on a page, any page, 5 days without opposition, the page can be deleted without discussion.

Such pages can be undeleted without discussion too, but there's usually a delay, especially if you don't notice the page missing right away. Prods create undesirable gaps in the subject coverage of list sets.

I just caught one the other day, so keep an eye on the outline pages!

Tangent: Indexes
One of the benefits of reverse outlining is the discovery of problems (gaps in coverage, etc.) with the publication being outlined. We've come across several and have been fixing those as we go. Because hypertext tables of contents are only as good as the pages they link to, we've been cleaning up large sections of Wikipedia. This was something I did not foresee when I started this project.

One of the sets of pages we link to on the outlines is the set of indexes, formerly called "List of x topics". Unfortunately, the lists of topics were divided between 2 different sets competing for the same article names, and this impeded development of both sets. One of those sets were indexes, and the rest are outlines (more about these below).

So I set about splitting up the 2 sets, by renaming the indexes to "Index of x articles" or "Index of x-related articles".

All 450 or so of them.

Nobody has complained about the new names, but 2 or 3 people thought I was way too bold to attempt this without a proposal or discussion first. Just 2 or 3 people. That's about as much opposition as you could expect for moving a single page.

Not bad for a move of this volume.

There are many more indexes out there, but our main concern are those which are provided links on the outlines. Many of those are redlinks (gaps in coverage as mentioned above), and so we need a way to track these and direct editor attention to them so that somebody creates them...

So, I've created a page for the set, that parallels the OOK list:


 * See Portal:Contents/Index.

The complete list of "Index of" articles can be found at User:The Transhumanist/Index, and this list needs to be gone over to make sure each article index listed is included on the portal page above. If you help with this, please put - placed after each entry that you check and place.

Thank you.

To further support the development of index pages, and provide a central place for people to go to find out more about indexes and what needs to be done, I've created the Index WikiProject.

Hidden outlines
There are outline pages hiding all over Wikipedia. They aren't in OOK's formats, but we can fix that. :)

Converting existing outlines and absorbing them into the OOK is a lot easier than creating outlines from scratch, and it avoids unnecessary duplication of effort. But before we can convert them, we have to find them...

A hunt is underway for non-OOK outlines. So far, User:Gimme danger is in the lead and has found the most. See WikiProject Outline of knowledge for more information.

Please don't rename any non-standard outlines you come across to OOK's standard naming until after you reformat them. Renaming them only after they are reformatted helps us keep track of which outlines have and have not been converted.

Thank you.

Converting outlines
The way I usually do this is by substituting the relevant outline generator template at the beginning of the outline, which forces the existing outline to the bottom of the page. Then I add an "under construction" tag, and then move all the links from the original outline to the relevant sections in the standard structure. It is important to finish the conversion quickly, so as not to create confusion. Then I scour Wikipedia for missing links (using Google to do a site-specific search of Wikipedia), to make the upgraded outline more comprehensive than the converted outline. Be sure to check all related categories too. Add a lead paragraph, add external links, and voila!

Better than before.

Where we're heading
The next phase in the evolution of this project is to increase participation by expanding the Wikipedia community's awareness of the Outline of knowledge, its purpose, and what needs to be done for any given subject.

This will entail placing banners on the outlines' talk pages, the talk page for the WikiProject associated with the subject of each outline and of each planned outline, and on the talk page of each article corresponding to each outline and to each planned outline.

Then instructions on improving subject access, including the creation and development of an outline for each subject, will be posted on every related WikiProject page. (There's a WikiProject for the subject of most outlines).

We will also be sending notices to every member of every WikiProject associated with the subject of each and every outline and planned outline.

But before this happens, the outline guidelines and the article draft for the topic "Outline" must be completed. Without these, many editors will not know what an outline is, or what to do to build and improve them.

And that's our current bottleneck.

Once those are ready (the guideline and article), we can take this project to the next level.

Keep up the good work
Well, that's all for now.

Until next time,

The Transhumanist 00:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S. (Duke Nukem)
Hi Nuke,

We could use outlines on any major subject you are interested in.

I'm using "major subject" loosely here. That is, any subject with coverage extensive enough to support an outline.

We're mainly concerned about scholastic subjects for now (science, society, history, cats, dogs, etc.), to contrast with the portal project which is entertainment heavy.

The Transhumanist 00:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks. Was starting to feel a bit harassed. Contaldo80 (talk) 14:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Note
I hope you don't mind, but I slightly reworded your proposal in the content disputes RfC, because I don't think the discussion is supposed to be for the Committee's benefit, and it doesn't hurt to be explicit about who you are addressing. Sorry if I misrepresented your intentions, and please feel free to revert if you don't approve of the change. Sincerely, <font face="Goudy Old Style"> Skomorokh  15:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That is fine, the rewording does indeed clarifies things. Thank you. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?)

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New name
Got you two suggestions. Probably the most obvious ones, but I was amazed that neither one is registered or SULed. And it would mean the least trouble for you ;-) Regards  So Why  20:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Those are fine ideas, thanks! I'll create them now to save the hassle :) <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 21:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. They are the most sensible ones too (especially NWF) as everyone uses them to shorten your nick already anyway ;-)  So Why  17:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a note to say I'd also recommend switching over completely to a new name to avoid misunderstandings. Regards. -- Klein zach  02:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Article Edit
If you have any further concerns about the article on Transparent alumina, please respond on the discussion page for that article. Thanks :-) -- logger9 (talk)
 * I'll keep the article on my watchlist; sure. By the way, if you want me to watchlist some other pages to keep an eye out for you, just feel free to let me know :) <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 23:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Quick note
Hello! In your close at here, you wrote "no other keep !votes". Anyway, I believe you mean "no other !delete votes". Best, --A NobodyMy talk 23:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, thanks for pointing that out to me. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 23:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Have a nice night!  Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Alexander von Zemlinsky
Hi. I'm wondering why you removed the Orel external link. Is there any particular reason? It seems to be a bona fide link to worthwhile information, no different from dozens of others on other pages. -- Klein zach  02:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I was doing a bit of crosswiki counterspam when I got to the Orel link report. I checked it out, and saw while it seemed like a semi-useful resource, the site would go a lot better on a subpage of WP:Wikiproject Classical Music, where it could be used as a reference instead of mass spammed across the entire Wikimedia (there were about 80 links across added by one Single Purpose Account). I'd recommend putting it on a "Resource" page rather than allowing it to remain in the External links sections, as I feel it would just be allowing spamming that way, and putting it on a resource page would allow editors to use it as a source. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 02:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Speed Cfd's and this
When you add entries to this that were speedy renames, you might consider adding a link like this as well since speedies don't have a "per day page".--Rockfang (talk) 04:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I'll be sure to do that. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 19:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

And if you create new categories manually in the WP:CFDS, please be sure to reproduce the old category exactly. This one you created was missing a parent category that was in the old category. (That's one reason doing it by bot is useful—the bot doesn't make boo-boos like that.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Woah, there is a bot? That would make things so much easier. As for the Baha'i Faith one, I noted that parent category but deliberately did not include that category, as it was a parent category of a parent category, which does not need to be added, I believe. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 19:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

What are the benefits of a tree structure?
The article doesn't say.

I'm interested, because I need to explain the benefits in the guideline on outlines I'm writing. (Outlines are a type of tree structure).

I've also asked the question at various reference desks, and these threads may help to jump start your brain on this question. :)


 * Reference desk/Science
 * Reference desk/Mathematics
 * Reference desk/Humanities
 * Reference desk/Language
 * Reference desk/Miscellaneous

What are the benefits of outlines, over and above regular articles?
What benefits have you noticed?

How are Wikipedia's outlines useful to you?

I look forward to your answers on my talk page.

The Transhumanist 04:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash
Thank you for taking the time to review the images in this article. I should have been more clear in how I addressed the points you raised - specifically I didn't mentioned that I'd swapped out two of the images with others whose copyright status was easier to verify. <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Socrates2008 ( Talk )   08:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That should be fine. Can you give me a link to those two images so I can add them to the review please? <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 15:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Thule air base above.jpeg
 * File:Mark 28 Thermonuclear Bomb.jpg
 * Thanks <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Socrates2008 ( Talk )   12:20, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Those two both look good, but can I ask that you put the info in File:Thule air base above.jpeg in an Information template? <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 15:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done - please could you update your comments in the FAC, as they currently give the appearance of your concerns not being addressed. Thanks <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva">  Socrates2008 ( Talk )   09:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Athletics
I noticed your FLC work with Yohhans on United States Academic Decathlon. Do you have a wider interest in Athletics in general? If so you may be interested in the WikiProject Athletics proposal. Cheers! Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) <sup style="color:#0B7C08;">WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU!  11:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation Sillyfolkboy. I'll be sure to take a look at your WikiProject and see if I can't help you out. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 13:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hey. I would just to apologise for and explain the disruption you may have noticed on WP:Good articles/recent. Following a bot request, it became apparent that it would be handy to have a bot pipe new additions to WP:GA onto the /recent subpage. Now, I admit that the bot's been having a few problems (it's still officially in trial), but I hope these have now been worked out. It should mean that every 5 minutes the newest additions are added automatically, so all users like you have to do is add the newly listed GA to WP:GA and let the bot do the work. Of course, you're allowed to do it yourself, but you don't have to. That's the plan, anyhow, so it might be an idea to add the article to WP:GA, then wait ten minutes. If the bot hasn't added it yet, add it manually and come straight to me so I can fix the bot. Essentially though, you can either carry on as normal or take advantage of the bot, as you wish. Thanks for your patience and sorry for any disruption caused. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 16:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice Jarry. The next time I review a GA nomination, I'll be sure to take advantage of your bot's time saving updates, as it seems very useful. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 16:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Ding!
You've got mail. — <font color="#21421E" face="Harrington">Jake <font color="#21421E" face="Harrington">Wartenberg  16:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

WPOOK Update - 05/17/2009 - Blockbusting!
This project needs another shot in the arm.

So here it goes...

Countries WikiProject Collaboration - Contests!
I've contacted all 59 members of the Countries WikiProject to help in designing and conducting contests for the further development of the country outlines.

You are invited too.

Houston, we have a problem
The guidelines and outline article still aren't complete.

Which means you will be needed to help explain to the newcomers mentioned above what outlines are and how to develop them.

Please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries.

The Transhumanist 22:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Burn Notice?
What is going on at the LoE? There's a lot of edit warring, and the transclusion you were using has been abandoned for a full cut n paste, which is being eidt warred with for a colored chart with no information. ThuranX (talk) 03:31, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I had apparently taken it off my watchlist for a while, because I haven't seen anything new on it. I'll take a look, however, and figure out what the heck is going on. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 03:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Also...
Regarding your new section page, you should probably research Essjay's history here before using him in pretty much any fashion. ThuranX (talk) 03:33, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I know of Essjay's history, but I see nothing wrong with using this quote. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 03:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I wonder what account he's using these days.


 * The Transhumanist 23:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

A question for you, concerning a possible contest...
To promote work on the country outlines, maybe a contest between country WikiProjects could be run, to see which WikiProject could develop the best country outline.

What do you think?

(I look forward to your reply on my talk page).

The Transhumanist 23:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Your undo
Is there any reason that you undid edits by an Arbitrator? Dabomb87 (talk) 02:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Must have been a misclick. I had been viewing the page history, but I would never think of disrupting the RfAr process. I self-reverted as soon as I got your message; I apologize for any disruption I may have caused. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 02:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, I just wanted everything sorted out before somebody made a bigger deal of the issue than necessary (which is a good summary of the entire dipute). Dabomb87 (talk) 02:32, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

– Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL. The Transhumanist 02:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You just got owned pretty hard; you might want to sit down. — <font color="#21421E" face="Harrington">Jake  <font color="#21421E" face="Harrington">Wartenberg  02:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, OK, I get it. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 02:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)  NuclearWarfare runs for cover. 

Thanks
NW: Thanks for taking the time to do this. Much appreciated. wadester16 | Talk→ 03:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem :) <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 03:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB work
Hey there. Julian told me to ask you if you had any more AWB work for him, and to do some of it to help his workload. So, anything? <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 03:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, there's lots more. Though it requires me to make the lists for you to input into AWB's "Make list" feature.  I should have another task ready (similar to the tasks posted on Julian's talk page within 10 or 20 minutes.  The Transhumanist  03:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB task request 1
In AWB, please make a list from User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox31, and filter out all pages that are not talk pages in the talk namespace. That is, you want the list you create to only have talk pages that correspond to articles in article space. Not any other talk space.

Set AWB to not skip pages that do not exist. (We want to edit the empty talk pages too).

Set AWB to skip pages with

Set AWB to prepend

Run AWB on the list.

Thank you.

Good luck.

The Transhumanist 03:32, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Now we need to add the parameter
I'm going through all the ones you just did, and adding the subject's article name, starting with a small case letter.

Please help me finish these up.

I'm only online for another hour before this library closes.

Make sure the parameter matches the subject part of the outline's name, so the link turns blue.

The Transhumanist 03:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅, except for Talk:Classics, which I can't seem to find. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 04:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Outline of classical studies. :)  Thank you.  The Transhumanist  04:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll see if I can get another task ready before I'm logged off.


 * The Transhumanist 04:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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AWB task request 2
OK, for this one, we're going to use a little substitution trick. (I think you'll like it).

In AWB, please make a list from User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox31 (I changed the contents), and filter out all pages that are not talk pages in the talk namespace. That is, you want the list you create to only have talk pages that correspond to articles in article space. Not any other talk space.

Set AWB to not skip pages that do not exist. (We want to edit the empty talk pages too).

Set AWB to skip pages with {{Outline of knowledge coverage

(note that I left off the closing brackets)

Set AWB to prepend {{subst:User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox07}}

That's the trick right there.

Run AWB on the list.

Then check them, because not all of them will match perfectly (some need "the" added in), etc.

But most of them should be blue, because the countries are capitalized by default.

Thank you.

Good luck.

The Transhumanist 04:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I just tried it on a bunch, and it works great. After you've run AWB on this task, you'll have to go back and add "the" for the outlines about islands and "Republics of". Have fun. :) The Transhumanist  05:01, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * {{tick|18}} {{ucfirst:done}} (though I think someone else helped out). All of them seem done, though a bunch of outlines are uncreated. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) {{sup| (How am I doing?) }} 20:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * To test out the task, I did the items on the list from Micronesia and below. Did someone else help out too?  If so, let's track him down and recruit him!  The Transhumanist  01:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Outline templates
You seem to be adding lots of redlinks to pages. For example and. Please can you revert all these or fix them? Thanks, &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if you look up, The Transhumanist told me to expect this. What I plan to do after I finish my run of 300 additions is to open all of them and fix whichever redlinks are there. Hopefully, I should have this done within a few hours. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 21:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I might have saved you some work. Have a look at the code on Template:Outline of knowledge coverage. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow there, thanks. That will help out a bunch. Can I get you in touch with The Transhumanist, by any chance? The geography project could always use another coder :) <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 21:45, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB task to adjust categories
For the articles listed at Category:Indexes of articles, please do the following:

Replace:

With: nothing. That is, erase it.

Replace:

[[Category:Lists of topics by country

With:

[[Category:Indexes of articles by country

These can be done in the same pass.

Thank you.

Good luck.

The Transhumanist 23:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I had to do two passes, because I'm a fool, but <big style="color:#690; font-size:1.4em;">&#x2713; Done. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 01:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, before you know it, you'll be using AWB to do 30 search/replaces in a single pass. :)  The Transhumanist  01:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Another AWB category adjustment
Somehow the pages in the above set got split between two categories.

So, in AWB make a list from Category:Lists of topics by country and use the filter feature to filter out all the pages that do not have "Index" in their titles.

Then set AWB to make the following search/replace:

Replace:

[[Category:Lists of topics by country

With:

[[Category:Indexes of articles by country

and run it.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 01:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * . <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 02:30, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB category adjustment #3...
Now to finish off the category (we've been moving all the pages in it to its subcategories).

Make a list from Category:Lists of topics by country and use the filter feature to keep all the pages with "List" in their titles.

Then set AWB to make the following search/replace:

Replace:

[[Category:Lists of topics by country

With:

[[Category:Outlines of countries

and run it.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 02:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * <big style="color:#690; font-size:1.4em;">&#x2713; Done <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 02:30, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB cat task #4
In all the pages listed at Category:Topical indexes,Replace:

[[Category:Topical indexes

With:

[[Category:Indexes of articles

Good luck.

Have fun.

(You're doing an amazing job.)

The Transhumanist 02:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * <big style="color:#690; font-size:1.4em;">&#x2713; Done, finally :) Time for me to head off, but please do leave any new tasks; I can get to them tomorrow evening. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 04:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Editing "Catalog of articles in probability theory"
Hi, did you note the "Please do not edit this page manually" warning on that page? I'll try to implement your changes properly, but some of them will probably disappear after the next compilation by my bot. Boris Tsirelson (talk) 06:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually was struggling to finish a massive load of AWB edits yesterday, and I did not notice that notice. Sorry about that. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 20:31, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Mathbot undid some of your changes
...rewriting the old info over your cat info.

See Category:Topical indexes.

Please look into it.

The Transhumanist 20:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: I'll have more tasks for you soon. The Transhumanist 20:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB task to post notices to country outline talk pages
Since it has my signature on the messages, make sure you place "posted at The Transhumanist's request" in the edit summary. Or something to that effect.

Using AWB, please make a list from User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox34 (a list of all country outline talk pages).

Set AWB to append   to the page. (It's a bunch of messages, including notices on the problem with the government section, where to find the guideline draft, etc.)

Then run it.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 22:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * , a while ago. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 19:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oversighted Sandbox Material
I changed the title from ONLY WARNING - YOU WILL BE BLOCKED. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 18:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC) If you ever place material like this on Wikipedia again, you will be indefinitely blocked from editing. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 18:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I did not put anything objectionable. Another user did it. I just wrote under it. User F203 (talk) 18:02, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The trouble with threatening people is that they leave Wikipedia. I was going to leave but then thought that I should not be bullied by others, particularly since I am a productive editor. Please be nice to others. User F203 (talk) 18:06, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I cannot show you now, but I believe that the oversighted edits show that it was indeed you who posted something alone the lines of "X Person's credit card number is this. Don't remove this." Those edits were found serious enough to be removed by Oversighters, and that is why I gave you such a strong warning. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 18:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

FYI: if you are referring to undoing my revert [or reverting my undo, if you like :)], I actually undid myself after having a closer look. No harm done, I shouldn't have undone in the first place. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">decltype (talk) 18:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that! Those were just random numbers and random names and also not even the correct number of digits for a credit card.

It would be like saying Nuclear Warfare's Visa card number is 2839 4954 9320 3493 4054, issued by the Bank of the Klingon Empire.

But nice of you to be more civil today! User F203 (talk) 19:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem was that they might have very well a true credit card number, and I didn't want to take chances with things like that Neither did Risker or FT2, who when I talked to them were like yikes!; we have to delete this quickly. Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh; I was only trying to make sure this didn't happen again. My apologies, <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 19:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I just recently learned how to redirect so I redirected User:NucularWarfare to you. I created that user name so that I could redirect that mis-spelt username to you. User F203 (talk) 19:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Magic words
"Please don't post credit card numbers."

Just kidding.

The magic words to which I am referring are variables used in templates.

See this...

mw:Help:Magic words This page is a soft redirect.

The Transhumanist 23:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB task - post WikiProject banner to historical outlines of states
Filing a bot request, see below Please set AWB not to skip non-existing pages.

To the pages listed at User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox37 (list of talk pages for state historical outlines),

please prepend (to the beginning) of each page the Outline of knowledge WikiProject's banner:

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 00:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 19:52, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB task - post notice to non-country outline talk pages
In AWB, please make a list from User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox35 (list of talk pages for non-country outlines and outline drafts), and filter out all pages that are not talk pages (there are talk pages from article space and the Wikipedia namespace on there). That is, you want the list you create to only have talk pages that correspond to outlines and outline drafts.

Set AWB to not skip pages that do not exist. (We want to edit the empty talk pages too, if there are any).

Set AWB to append

Then let 'er rip! :)

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 00:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: We're really pumping up your edit count this week, aren't we. :) I'm jealous.
 * I'm actually going to file a bot request for this one. Is there anyway I can get that request speedily approved? <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 00:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It takes about a week. Ask User talk:Thehelpfulone what the best approach is, since he's on our team and he got a bot approved recently.  The Transhumanist  00:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure thing, will do. I'll ask if he can go over my BRFA and tell me if I should add anything else. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 00:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there, regarding the BRFA - I put a request through to a BAG member to give you a trial and it has been granted, as it will be performing pretty much similar tasks to my bot (see here). Hope this helps! The  Helpful  One  13:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * <big style="color:#690; font-size:1.4em;">&#x2713; Done. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 20:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Has the shit hit the fan? - WPOOK update, 05/25/2009
Maybe...

We've started the next phase
I was experiencing mental block on the article draft for "outline" and on the outline guideline draft. And this was holding the whole project back. Without these (which are intended to explain the type of lists known as outlines in detail), the danger is higher that a controversy could go the wrong way.

I requested help on them, but there was none forthcoming.

So I went ahead and started us on the next phase of operations without those 2 pages...

Our AWB'ers and I have placed about '''1600 notices all over Wikipedia. And the plan is to place several thousand more'''.

This generated only one complaint, but it was a very vocal one, and attracted a few other detractors who seemed unfamiliar with the concept of hierarchical outlines and their benefits. However, just as many or more editors came to the defense of the OOK, and there was no consensus formed. But, dab is still trying to rally opposition to outlines at the Village Pump. See below...

Administrator noticeboard incident and Village Pump policy discussion
It appears that the banner placed on the talk page of the Outline of Switzerland caught the attention of an editor named Dbachmann who posted a rather forceful message on my talk page, another on WT:WPOOK, another at WP:VPP, and still another at WP:AN!

He went well out of his way to use negative hype to cause a stir.

It appears that Mr. Bachmann doesn't understand the nature of hierarchical outlines and their applications. And though he implied that he has never seen an OOK outline before, he was involved with a discussion on these when they were called "lists of basic topics".

His primary argument is that outlines are content forks of articles, and violate WP:CFORK.

But "topic lists", of which outlines are a type, have been around for almost as long as Wikipedia, and fall under the WP:LISTS and WP:STAND guidelines. They aren't intended as forks, as they are lists, bringing the benefits of lists to the corresponding subjects, such as grouping and navigation.

Someone suggested an MfD, but lists are articles, and are within the jurisdiction of AfD. Only the portal page, which merely lists the outline articles, falls within the scope of the MfD department.

The administrator's noticeboard was considered the wrong venue for the discussion, and the discussion was closed.

But Dab's discussion at the Village Pump is still active. Hopefully level heads will prevail there too.

Now what?
Am I disheartened or deterred? Hell no. I say "full steam ahead!"

But we really need to finish the article draft and the guideline. Otherwise there will continue to be confusion.

Over the next week or two, we'll be posting another 1600 or so notices. It's a good thing we didn't send out 10,000 of them all at once. :)

The Transhumanist 23:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Another related thread has popped up at WP:VPR.

ThankSpam

 * I commend you for going ahead with the reconfirmation process, and I wish you luck in your future editing. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 23:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

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WPOOK update - 05/27/2009
Input on the OOK threads at the Village Pump has died down (at both WP:VPP and WP:VPR), and there is currently no consensus on either.

Negative feedback
For the number of notices we posted (over a thousand) the number of complaints we received (the two VP threads mentioned above) was quite low.

Silent majority
Considering most of the outlines are orphans, they get pretty good use.

Note that people who are happy with articles on Wikipedia generally don't say anything, so I simply interpret it as positive feedback.

Traffic, traffic comparison, and increasing traffic
Using Traffic, I compare the traffic of articles, their corresponding outlines, and their corresponding portals from time to time.

Outlines are starting to catch up to portals. Though the main portals, which are included in a navbar menu at the top of most portals are still way ahead of their outline counterparts.

Both outlines and portals are way behind the articles on the same subjects. Articles usually have 20 to 30 times the traffic.

Keep in mind that most outlines are orphans, with the primary link to them being Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge.

Traffic should improve once we include links on the corresponding subject pages, including the main subject as well as subjects that correspond to subheadings (e.g., History of x, and in the case of countries: Geography of x, Demographics of x, Culture of x, etc.)

I'm convinced the traffic of outlines will overtake portals once we've link-integrated them into the encyclopedia. And since outlines serve as tables of contents for each subject, it seems most fitting to place links to them in the form of hatnotes at the top of each subject's main articles (and the sub-subjects mentioned in the paragraph directly above).

By the way, there's another traffic counter called Wikirank, but I haven't tested it out much yet, but will do so in the coming weeks.

Going for the Main Page
Once the traffic of outlines has overtaken portals, it will be time to replace portals on the Main Page, even if we need to spearhead a new main page redesign! This isn't a far-fetched idea. I was the one who jumpstarted and led the project responsible for the current main page design (until it hit critical mass and attracted other leaders), and I was also the most active editor on that project. I even created the WP:CBB on the Community Portal to promote the main page election. The second time around should be easier.

Back to the here and now
Targetting the Main Page is a few months off.

Right now, we need to continue posting notices and start link-integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia.

I have a whole slew of AWB tasks to assign. I hope you are ready. :)

Spread the word
WP:WPOOK needs members. Tell all your friends about the OOK, and get them to join.

The Transhumanist 02:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Nuke, how goes the bot request?
Nuke,

While you are waiting for bot approval, would you mind processing some other AWB tasks?

I've got a ton of them piled up.

The Transhumanist 02:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Bot request looks like it is going pretty well; Quadell said he was leaning towards approve, but he wanted the opinion of another BAG member. Hopefully, that will be done quickly.
 * As for the AWB tasks, just put them on my talk page with Unresolved on the top of them and I'll get to them by tomorrow latest. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 02:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * And it's been approved. Congrats! Though I have to admit, a part of me feels mildly disappointed that a bot called NukeBot doesn't do something more dramatic. ;) – Quadell (talk) 13:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, BAG members Quadell, X! and Jarry for overseeing my BRFA. And who knows, perhaps one day I'll need a mass-deletion bot. Wouldn't that be dramatic as "Nukebot" [[Image:Wink.gif|20px]] <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 15:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

"NukeBot". I like it. So I guess this means I can load you up with even more AWB tasks? :) Cool.  The Transhumanist  22:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, the name was my idea. Credit where it's due :)  —  Jake   Wartenberg  03:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * But you are still full of hot air :P  Benders  Game  03:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

tasks
I'll try to get more on tonight.

The Transhumanist 20:43, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: AIV decline
Hello - thanks for the message, and I'm happy to help. As I said on my talk page, I'm a chronic AGFer and I don't like to block unless it's absolutely necessary.

In Toby's case, the damage was remedied by the time I got to the report, and I don't block editors for only one edit in the last 18 months unless it was really egregious. Although the page was deleted under CSD, it was pretty standard teenager/test edit stuff that we delete hundreds of times every day. It's the only edit he's made since January 2008. He'd never been warned appropriately. I consider that type of block as punishment, not prevention. Blocks stop ongoing, persistent vandalism or inappropriate page creation, etc. Toby was done, he only created the page once, so let's hold some hope that he'll turn out to be a good editor sometime down the road.

If you have questions, just let me know. Thanks again for the message! :-) Krakatoa  Katie  03:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * All right, I can certainly respect such a the AGF nature. I figured with two separate bouts of vandalism of a period of several months from the same editor, it would be appropriate to block, but perhaps you are right. Thanks for following up though; I really appreciate it. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 11:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB task - for the glossary WikiProject
(Please read the whole task through before you start).

Make a list from Category:Glossaries and its subcategories (by selecting the recursive option). Check the list carefully to make sure it didn't bleed out into the rest of the cat system - all the pages listed should be some type of glossary. (Though they are not all named "Glossary of").

Add to the list all the links listed at Portal:Contents/List of glossaries and then filter out all pages from the whole list that are not in the article namespace.

Once you have the list created, save it off to a file, and then edit the list so each article name starts with "Talk:".

Then clear the make list in AWB and load the saved page. Check carefully that AWB didn't truncate the list. There might be a bug in the list save feature that saves an unreadable byte here and there. So check the last page in the list when you reload it with the last page on the list file you saved. If they don't match, text search in the file for the last name in the AWB list and fix the typo. Repeat until the whole list reloads correctly.

Once fully loaded, set AWB to not skip pages that do not exist.

Then to each talk page on the list, prepend the following:

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 04:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: If there is an easier way to make a list of the talk pages of the articles involved here, please let me know (so that I know for future reference).
 * I think the easiest way is to just make one master list, and divide that into subsections that can be sandboxed to grab with AWB if needed. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 23:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * <big style="color:#690; font-size:1.4em;">&#x2713; Done with task, I think. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 02:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Why do we have outlines in addition to...?
Outlines was growing so large that I split this section off as a separate page.

I look forward to your feedback and improvements.

The Transhumanist 22:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll be sure to check that out. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 23:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Hastings Ismay
Hi, I notice that in a recent edit to Hastings Ismay, you removed all of the ndashes, replacing them with the "-" character. . Is there a reason that you did this or was it the result of some accidental script interaction? WP:ENDASH, at least by my reading, stipulates that the endash should be used for page ranges, etc. as it was in the article prior to your edit. Am I missing something? Thanks. Cool3 (talk) 22:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That was primarily a script-based edit, but I do believe that it was done correctly. It replaced the HTML code for the endashes with "–", the unicode symbol for it, which should be fine for it, I believe. In the editing window, it looks surprisingly similar to a hyphen, but when viewing, I think it made no change from what it had been before. Please do revert if that is not the case; I can try to get that fixed and reinput my other changes. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 22:11, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, my mistake. As you point out, that does look deceptively similar to the regular dash, and I was viewing on my iPhone so I didn't notice the difference.  Sorry for troubling you. Cool3 (talk) 23:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem at all; always feel free to contact me with any concerns. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 23:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

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 * Heh, I probably should have checked before doing that; the real reason I switched to Roux's was because I liked the formatting. I've switched to the welcome-personal; that should be good. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 17:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

FLRC
nominated List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 15:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I really don't think this needed to be put on FLRC; the concerns you had could have been addressed on the talk page. Nevertheless, I have replied there. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 16:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:WPOOK
You should let them know you signed them up. ;) The Transhumanist 23:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: WikiProject Outline of knowledge
Hi there,

Thanks for adding me to this list - but I have removed your addition, as I am already the second person on that list! :)

The Helpful  One  16:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha! I can't believe I missed that; sorry about that :)

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Hey Nuke, I think we have a convert!The Transhumanist 03:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Neat! <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 03:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm falling behind
I hit mental block bad, so I sent out lots of requests for advice to people over at WP:ADOPT. Their answers have been streaming in, and I've been a bit overloaded.

But I'll get back to "collating" AWB tasks as soon as I can.

I feel guilty that your new bot is sitting idle because of me. :(

The Transhumanist 03:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww, it's OK :) Whenever you have time is great; I don't want to stress you. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 03:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Great work

 * Thank you! <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) (How am I doing?) 14:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)