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WikiProject Israel
Hi Nudve. I noticed that you have contributed several articles on Isralei politicians. Would you be interested in joining WikiProject Israel? If you contribute any more articles, you can announce them on the new articles page. Regards, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  12:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to say, you are doing great work! пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  16:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Eliyahu Lankin
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Knesset members
Excellent work as always with the MKs. However, you might want to delete the drafts in your userspace, as they are showing up in Category:Former Members of the Knesset (it took me a while to work out why the number of articles had gone up so much!). If you want to delete them, add db-author to them, and they'll be speedily deleted. If you don't want to delete them, please could you decategorise them? Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll do that. -- Nudve (talk) 11:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, I've deleted them all. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Errr, not sure you meant to do this! I've declined it :) пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops...guess I forgot the "/". Good thing you noticed -- Nudve (talk) 11:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Verbatim use of website text
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Copyright problem: Ralph Klein (coach)
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 * Is there any reason why you omitted certain categories from The newly revised article?--ArnoldPettybone (talk) 21:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I copied them from a cached version of the page, which may not have been up to date. Feel free to add any category. -- Nudve (talk) 04:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

DYKs
Hi there. I moved your list of DYKs from article space to your user space at User:Nudve/DYKs. I assume that's where you meant to put them. Best, Iain99Balderdash and piffle 19:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) -- Nudve (talk) 19:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Your opinon on this
Greetings, there is a discussion about project tagging on the WP:Palestine page here. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Tel Aviv

 * Just to let you know, there is a peer review for Tel Aviv at Peer review/Tel Aviv/archive3, thanks. Flymeoutofhere (talk) 09:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the het-het :) Hey, I got a het-het in tironut for explaining about the Irgun, and being the chong that I was, I was really pround of myself, not knowing that the sergeant probably wiped his ass with the paper he wrote the het-het on. Oh well, I'm finishing service soon anyway.

About the railway articles, I wish I had more time to work on them, because I have quite a few materials and just don't have time to go over them yet. My biggest issue now is sources on recent events, which my materials don't cover, but should be abundant on the internet - I just didn't have time to search. My articles are not very well-source and I think that's very unfortunate.

Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 16:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

NPOV
For your review, WP:NPOV. Please don't edit articles in which you have a personal stake. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 19:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Revisionist Zionism
Thank you for the "good faith" acknowledgment. Please participate consider participating in the discussion. I would like to know your position regarding the issues I've raised. --Ludvikus (talk) 14:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Gadsar Nahal
While I am pretty far away from the Nahal in the army to honestly have no idea, it seems that all possible sources, including the unit itself, say that it's a company (Pluga), as you said yourself. Check the Hebrew wiki for example, and the unit's website. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Moses Mendelssohn
Thanks for catching my stupid revert - I must be working too long into the night. I actually thought I was REMOVING 'Hallo Welt', not adding it back in. Sigh. A Sniper (talk) 08:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Villages in Israel
Cheers - I'll try to remember to tag them all in future. Good work on the MKs by the way! пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  14:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ideally at some point, but don't let that stop you! I'm on a bit of a roll with the villages thing at the moment. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  17:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * PS, when you're adding citations to Mapa's concise gazetteer of Israel, could you avoid writing "Yuval Elʻazari", and instead put "Yuval Elazari"; I don't know how it shows up on your computer, but whatever "ʻ" is, it only shows up as a box on mine (plus I believe Elazari is the common English transliteration of the name). Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * I've linked in from Israeli legislative election, 1988, but feel free to do the rest. I have tonnes of (real) work to do this afternoon! пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  13:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

beit jala raid
Thank you, Nudve, for restoring my faith in human intelligence. I have have spent untold hours editing material to improve Wikipedia as a readable and truthful source, but this article is unfixable because it is there to stir up hatred and plant false conclusions in the minds of readers. See Tantura, Ilan Pappe, Mount Scopus and Bayt Jibrin, for some background.--Gilabrand (talk) 05:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Kfar Haro?
You're right - Haaretz, the Jerusalem Post and Ynetnews all use Kfar Haroeh. I'll change it. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  12:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

some advice on "Aliyah to Israel and settlement" table
Hi Nudve, how are you?

I'd like to take your advice on the "Aliyah to Israel and settlement" table,

The creator of this table, has translated this table from the Hebrew wikipedia (I've seen it on one of the talk pages, if I'm not mistaken on the table's talk page), yet the table is not complete - it lacks of the "pre-Zionist" movement list of Aliya.

so, there fore I would like to change the table, in order to create future links to articles that I would like to translate, and the changes in the table, that I would like to make is as follows:

(if you click on the English article of Pre-Zionist Aliyah, then link to its Hebrew article, you will be able to see the Hebrew table that I've taken it from):

yet, once I make those changes, I would be deleting, from the table's list, the link to the Yishuv haYashan (the old Yishuv) English article, that in the English Wikipedia's Article consist of many of the contents of the articles I want to add to the list, yet, the content of the English "old Yishuv", does not deal with the issues of the "old yishuv", but rather focuses on the articles I would like to add to the table's list.

so, before making those changes in the table, you need to change the content of the English article of "old Yishuv", in a way that will deal with the issues that concern the "old Yishuv" (Hence, I would like to translate it from the Hebrew wikipedia), and leave the current content of the English article of "Old Yishuv" to be dealt with the articles that I will add in the table (as the changes I am offering to the table above), and I will translate them as well.

What do you think?

--Shevashalosh (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you again Nudve. I'll post the message there, and if you wish to answer me as well, post your answer either here or on one of the projects.


 * --Shevashalosh (talk) 06:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Lehi (group)
Can you help on the article of Lehi (group)?

Since I'm pretty new here, you are probably more familiar with the protocols the are needed

The neutrality of the article is in dispute, I've placed a tag of it, but they removed it.

Here are some examples:

First:"Although the name of the group became "Lehi" only after the death of its founder, Avraham Stern, this article follows the common practice of referring to it by that name throughout its history."

(The whole sentence is not true, they called themselves Lehi, some brits were name calling them so (not Lehi themselves). I only heard of what the Brits name called them once before. 3 lines, dedicated to explaining why the article will use this in stead of a Lehi..!?

second, the whole portion of contacting the Nazis is of perplex to me:

They contacted the Nazis since they thought they could play against the Brits, they figured the Nazis didn't want Jews in Europe (some what unreasonable idea to me, yet they have done so) - and not for the sake of a "Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis" (never heard of this).

Third, "German plans such as the Madagascar Plan eventually failed and ultimately led the Nazis to initiate the Holocaust, the "Final Solution to the Jewish Question" in 1942,"

Not true. They wanted to murder Jews anyway.

What? Is this the reason for murdering 6 million Jews?

There is no reason to murder innocent 6 million Jews, not to speak of evacuating them from Europe nor if the plan is failed.

And of course, the whole article is full of name calling "terror" instead of "Lehi group" etc, as well as the category added (to it.

There is much more to it, those are just examples.

--Shevashalosh (talk) 08:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Kokhav Michael
You're right - I'll move it. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  15:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Wooden Leg
See here: Template:Operational plan. "For operations that resulted in combat, it should be used as an auxiliary template to the military conflict infobox" -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 18:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree now with your point; put the operation box back, but put more info into it. A map of the location in Tunisia would be OK also. Sorry for the incovenience -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 12:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * hmm a source says 12 miles south of the capital, on the coast. A map with the arrows coming from Israel would be good. A map of just the mediterranean would also be fine.
 * I've added the fatalities section to the box.
 * Operation Orchard?-- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 12:25, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * no, I was thinking Op. Orchard should have that infobox. -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 12:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Template:Operational plan
Actually, Infobox Military Conflict has a number of fields for casualties (and has had them for years). Maybe you were looking at only a partial syntax? Kirill (prof) 12:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Avraham Poraz
Yishar Ko'ah for creating the article! Another fellow military policeman who has an article, awesome. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 16:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Haganah Commander
Hi Nudve, I answered your question on the talk page. Ceedjee (talk) 08:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to translitterate from he to en.
 * Should not we chose between : Yigael or Yigal (currently there is Yigael Yadin and Yigal Allon) ?
 * Ceedjee (talk) 10:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer.
 * But I think you didn't understand my question :
 * Why is it :
 * Yig ae l for Yadin
 * and
 * Yig a l for Allon.
 * We should chose only 1 spelling (whatever it is...).
 * Ceedjee (talk) 12:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * NB: by the way, could you have a look at 1952 Beit Jala raid and put this in your watch list... Because user:Gilabrand and I are a little bit exhausted by Ashley... Txh in advance !
 * About Yadin: These are two different names, although they come from the same root. Yigal literally mean "Will redeem" while Yigael mean "Will be redeemed". Yigal is a common Hebrew name, while Yigael is exceptional. About the Beit Jala raid: I had a bad feeling about that article from the first moment I laid eyes on it. I don't know what can be done about it. -- Nudve (talk) 13:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information ! Ceedjee (talk) 14:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Much appreciated - creating templates like this means a lot more is needed! :) пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  23:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Timorim
Hi Nudve! Please look at my edits in your article Timorim. The main factual change is that Timorim is moshav shitufi, not moshav. If you have any objections to other changes, let's discuss.

Now comes the main tricky issue: in Hebrew the name of this moshav shitufi is spelled with mem degusha (see, e.g., the amudanan topo map I have added to external links or Even-Shoshan Hebrew dictionary for the root "timmur"). So basically we should write "Timmorim", not "Timorim". In fact, the road signs in Israel use the spelling "Timmorim", with double m. So what do you say? Shall we go to the trouble of changing everywhere "Timorim" to "Timmorim"? This will involve moving the latest version of Timorim to Timmorim and cleaning up after that. --Zlerman (talk) 12:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (1) About the financial figures, there's no link so I'll just assume they're correct. (2) It's not "my" article and I'm not the one who created it. (3) It is indeed a moshav shitufi, I just wasn't aware of the existence of that article. (4) I believe that according to WP:HE, Dagesh is ignored. I speak Hebrew, BTW. -- Nudve (talk) 12:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  12:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * So I understand that you don't think it is necessary or desirable to change "Timorim" to "Timmorim". Correct? Still, please Google for "Timorim" and "Timmorim" (if you have not done this already) and tell me your final decision. I am really neutral, except for those road signs, you know... If you are interested, I can e-mail you a beautiful photo of a road sign that say "Timmorim". But, again, I am perfectly happy with "Timorim". Just debating the point.
 * On the subject of financial figures, we all have to assume something somewhere. Not all information is linkable. I have given a reference to printed information, I have seen this information, what else can I do?


 * If you prefer, you can send me e-mails in Hebrew (my e-mail address is on my talk page). Best regards, --Zlerman (talk) 12:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No it's OK, I believe you :) I don't have a special preference on the naming issue, either. It's just the I know that people have put considerable into those naming conventions and would like to stick to them. You may want to discuss it with User:Number 57, who creates many articles on Israeli villages, or User:Ynhockey, who I think worked on WP:HE. Or you could post a message on the WP:ISRAEL talk page. -- Nudve (talk) 13:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Mizra
Yes, I think the non-Kosher fact is worth a DYK submission. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  20:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Mizra DYK
DYK (July 18) contains the following statement: "...that for many years, kibbutz Mizra's store was the only place in Israel that sold non-kosher meat?" (a) This is NOT what the article on Mizra says (the article says "provider of pork meat" and does not mention the store in this context); (b) the statement is TOTALLY fallacious and misleading: dozens of stores all over Israel (including Haifa, Jerusalem, Nazareth, and many other places) sold pork long before the Mizra store existed; (c) the alleged primacy of Mizra needs to be checked: kibbutz Lahav in the northern Negev also has a large pig farm and processing facility for pork. --Zlerman (talk) 02:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with the article. It is the wording of the DYK that I object to: it is simply incorrect to write that the kibbutz Mizra's store was the only place in Israel that sold non-kosher meat (even in the past tense and even if HaAretz says so). The article Mizra uses the word provider, which could refer to the meat factory as a producer and supplier of non-kosher meat products to other stores across the country -- not necessarily the only seller to the consumer, as the DYK implies. It would be nice if the DYK could be reworded. Cheers, --Zlerman (talk) 04:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Provisional nature of the UN Partition Plan 1947
The article reads as if the plan had been finalized, when in fact it never had a final form. I had explained this on the relevant discussion page in a 10 July 2008 note. It read: "On 25 November 1947 an amendment to the plan was passed that allowed the boundaries to be adjusted on the spot in Palestine by the Border Commission. The amendment was introduced by the delegation from the Netherlands.""The borders in the GA-181 plan [would otherwise have] cut-off 54 Arab villages from their farm land. The discussion before the vote indicated that inclusion of those villages in the Jewish state COULD have added as many as 108,000 more Arabs to the population [of the proposed Jewish State].'"

Here is an extract from the debate:"Mr. SASSEH (Netherlands) stated that his delegation, while proposing two amendments to the draft resolution of Sub-Committee I, completely reserved its ultimate position as to the reports of both Sub-Committees. Submitting amendments to the report of Sub-Committee I did not mean that his delegation had no appreciation of the quality of the work done by Sub-Committee II.""In connection with the amendment of his delegation on boundaries, Mr. Sassen pointed out that, if a United Nations Commission went to Palestine, it would be bound by precise instructions concerning boundaries, except on a few minor points such as the boundaries between Jaffa and Tel-Aviv. That was unwise, all the more as the proposed frontier divided a great number of villages.""A state must be composed of a number of units, the smallest of which were villages. Village boundaries had therefore a basic significance for state frontiers. Special circumstances had to be taken into consideration and village boundaries were not immutable, but two things should be noted: firstly, special circumstances could be better taken into account on the spot than in New York, end secondly, the number of fifty-four village divisions seemed to indicate that Sub-Committee I did not apply as much as possible the principle that a state had to be composed of a number of local units.""The amendment purposely left unspecified which reasons, geographical or otherwise might make the division of villages as necessity. But in any case the wishes of the local population had to be taken into consideration.""In this respect the report of the Woodhead Commission seemed to indicate the advisability of local arrangements. These could be made in the of the Sub-Committee's conclusions, and of the advisability to avoid village divisions as much as possible.""Sir ZAFRULLAH KHAN (Pakistan) pointed out that fifty-four villages were involved, that is to say some 108,000 inhabitants, who would be counted the Arab side, although their lands were within the Jewish State. That was an undesirable solution. Either the lands should go with them to the Arab State, or they should go with the lands into the Jewish State so that they could elect a majority of the constituent assembly in the Jewish State.""Mr. JOHNSON,(United States) was in favour of the amendment of the delegation of the Netherlands. Its wording, while sufficiently broad to give the proper discretion to the boundary commission, provided it with guiding principles which should be followed.""In connection with the words 'unless pressing.reasons make that necessary' Mr. Johnson said that these would require that good reasons should be shown.""The CHAIRMAN declared that, as there,was no objection, the two amendments of the delegation of Netherlands relating to boundaries as set forth in item 1 in document A/AC.l4/36 were adopted." harlan (talk) 19:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Jerusalem

 * First, I would just like to thank you for 'voting' for a basic chronogical description of the 1967 events, so we can come to a compromise. I'm not sure if you are aware, but I preferred "1967 War" (-till present) over "1967 War, unification and annexation of East Jerusalem", as headings should direct wiki visitors to events, not tell them how to interpret the content.
 * On a different note, I'd like to point out that an earlier edit you made could very very easily be interpreted as vandalism. Your edit summary says: deleted redundant ref. However, the ref had not been cited elsewhere and was particularly needed at that spot, to back up the specific World Bank stats which state that violations are 41/2 times higher in west jerus while 4 times more prosecuted in east jerus.Clearly, this needed a ref, and the fact would later have been deleted for lack of a citation. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 06:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1967 War-present sounds fine to me. About the "vandalism" issue, the ref was redundant because the same one appears at the end of the paragraph. No need to cite the same ref after every sentence of the World Bank report. -- Nudve (talk) 07:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Re:the citation deletion, It's important to keep every disputable fact well-cited; to remove citations clearly weakens the ability of such facts to withstand future deletion. This is what made it look like vandalism, but I understand your perspective. I guess if you were to choose (which as said before, I don;t think one should) it would have been better to leave the citation after the WB data itself since that data is specific to the World Bank, whereas the idea that the Wall has resulted in expropriation of Palestinian land is not exclusive to the WB (I could have put in a thousand other sources). Re: the heading, glad you feel that way. I don;t enjoy battling things out for 'neutral' language, but I believe in it enough that I seem to have set my thesis back at least two months. Do you know of a Wikipedians Anonymous group?LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 07:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What I meant was that it was redundant at the time of my edit. It's not redundant now that the Rapaport ref has been inserted in between. Also...Aren't we all anonymous? -- Nudve (talk) 07:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, did you get my American reference to support groups for addicts such as 'AA', Alcoholics Anonymous, NA "Narcotics Anonymous" and OA "Overeaters Anonymous"? So some of us might need a WA, Wikipedians Anonymous.LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 08:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I got that. My point was that people in the support group (for Wikistress, I presumed) would be the same people who caused you that stress to begin with. -- Nudve (talk) 08:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha, it was me who missed your reference! LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Arad, Israel edits
Hi Nudve! Not sure why you removed the street map from Arad, Israel. I can see the street names just fine. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the street map is almost unique to this article across Wikipedia and makes this article stand out. I'm sure there will be at least some readers interested in this map, especially because of its free license. I'll upload an SVG version in a year or two when all major browsers have no problems with SVG.
 * Not really sure about the galleries, but I was hesitant to add a Commons category link, because Commons categories are a mess and not well-organized. Perhaps an Arad gallery page with proper sections needs to be created on Commons and we can link to that. Even so, at least a third of the pictures (the more 'notable' ones, e.g. stone monument, municipality building, central synagogue) should remain in the article. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Operation Defensive Shield
Thank you for your input regarding policy. I've left you a comment there about a concern I have. Cheers,  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  13:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Left you another comment there.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  12:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Torture
In that article you wrote "The one exception worldwide was the case of Israel". Are you sure Israel is the only democratic country ever to have exercised torture? -- Nudve (talk) 17:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

No, of course not - I am sure that every democratic country does in some way or another - it's a sad fact of life. I made some edits clarifying: Israel is the only democratic country to legalize, and define the limits of, torture. The government also admitted that it went beyond its own self-defined limits. As far as I know these two phenomenon were unprecedented within a liberal democracy. Whereas other governments simply cover up their actions, in Israel, its somewhat out in the open (although as noted in my edit, they did not call it torture, they called it "physical pressure"). Thanks for bringing this to my attention so that the language could be clarified. Best, LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 17:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (1) Yes, it should be clarified, if it's true, (2) Do you have a source saying it's true? (3) Since no other democratic country is mentioned in that section, perhaps it's undue and (4) as Uses of torture in recent times does detail torture in several other countries, including a section on Israel, should be put there. -- Nudve (talk) 18:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1. It's been clarified. 2. Look at the edit, it's sourced, of course - I would never write such a thing without ample support. 3. It is absolutely not undue weight, since the Israeli case is truly exceptional and highly worthy of note, sad as this is, because, as said, it is the only democratic country ever to have legalized torture - to insert two sentences to this effect (as opposed to several paragraphs) does not take much space. 4. I'll take a look at Uses of torture section. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 16:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

olmert's infobox
Hi Nudve,

I'd like to ask you, if you know where Israeli Prime minister infobox is located (the one used for olmert's article)?

There are two things i'm cocerned about:

1) is the "Deputy" section, which states as if Tzipi Livni is the the deputy Prime Minister -instaed of Acting Prime Minister

2) second, the dates now are correct, but the infobox looks bad - so i'd like to add more section title by add "additional paramenter" title:


 * Acting Prime Minister =

I know in Hebrew wikipedia you can add an additional parameter title:

- which will result as

Acting Prime Minister Tzipi Livni

do you know how can I do that in English wikipedia ?

--Shevashalosh (talk) 22:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Which article do you want to change? Olmert, Livni, or the template? I don't think this parameter is mentioned in any other PM or acting PM. Anyway, I believe the infobox is Template:Infobox Officeholder. You can bring this up to discussion there. -- Nudve (talk) 04:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Olmert I want to change:


 * 1) says - deputy PM: Tzipi Livni. she is the minister of Acting PM, Deputy is an honorary title, hers is assuming office in any event that olmert cant function.


 * 2) On Hebrew wikipedia there is an option not to change template, but add "additional title parameter:




 * - which will result as:


 * Acting Prime Minister Tzipi Livni


 * do you know how can I do that in English wikipedia ?


 * --Shevashalosh (talk) 12:24, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Israel - NPOV issue
How is this section of text that I added in, not NPOV?

Subsequently, Israel's Arab neighbors invaded the new nation with the hope of regaining territory previously held by the Ottoman Empire and preventing the creation of an independent Jewish state. The Israelis defeated the Arabs in a series of wars confirming their independence and expanding the borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan.

All the info in there can ber verified. Look it up. Cheers --Elmorino123 (talk) 01:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

help editing on Blood Libel at Deir Yassin
I'm trying to communicate with shabaz, to get his view of what he thinks is against NPOV, but can get no responce.

I don know that he does trust you on this, so i'd like you to get involved on talkpage - so we can all figure out - what the first paragraph of the opening statement should be, the one he is no setisfyed with.

Thank you. --Shevashalosh (talk) 23:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Deir Yassin massacre - u r invited
Nudve, you are invited to take a look at Talk:Deir Yassin massacre

--Shevashalosh (talk) 22:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Battle or siege

 * FYI Ceedjee (talk) 13:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, so "Battle" ? Ceedjee (talk) 19:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thx for your answer on my talk page.
 * Maybe the best thing is only to discuss on the article talk page but they are not numerous people there...
 * Would you mind leaving a word there about your current feeling for the title ?
 * That will help to settle the dispute with S.
 * I don't mind much what he writes except if he put trouble in the article related to the 1948 War.
 * Thank you. Ceedjee (talk) 05:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Eliezer Livneh
As the author of the Hebrew version I enjoyed reading the translation very much. The interwiki link to the English version was added in the Hebrew wiki only today. If you continue to write about Israel, please make the English interwiki link in the hebrew page. As much as I enjoyed reading your translation, I regretted the fact that there was no link up to today from March 2008. Keep on the good work, it is very much appreciated. 79.176.164.173 (talk) 15:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Note to prposel of merge - with or without content?
Providing addtional citations

Providing more citations:

besides the usage in Hebrew wikipedia (Only "Auto-Anti-Semitism", not else), the Hebrew google shows 22,600 result for - אוטו אנטישמיות (two seperate words), and 1,790 for אוטואנטישמיות (as one word)

And I have other sources - also relating the term to "self hating Jew" (In English language):

- connecting both terms side by side.
 * Drama and Ideoligy in Modern israel (e-book):

And a book containing parts of Benjamin Netanyahu:


 * The Jerusalem Alternative

A major news paper story:
 * Article in haaretz - determinig this basiclly an Antisematism : In other words, Antisematism

-Besides off course the ref to Nativ,Lishkat hakesher, official branch of the government responsible to ties with jews, known for operating during the cold war and jews in the soviet union (see:Auto-Anti-Semitism ref).

--Shevashalosh (talk) 07:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

what say you, I coudn't understand ? --Shevashalosh (talk) 07:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * P.s - there was already an agreement, to merge with content, (and I did the merge myself) - but all of a suuden Shabazz wants - not a "merge", but rather "delete" - "Auto-Anti-Semitism" and it's content - this was not the proposel to people on talk page, the headline was "Merge" - not "delete". --Shevashalosh (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure I follow. What exactly is the difference, in your opinion, between "Auto Antisemitism" and "Self Hating Jew"? -- Nudve (talk) 07:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Fisrt, see the updated discussion between me and Shabazz, on the importance of this term to the political dialouge Talk:Self-hating Jew.

Second, The terms are pretty much Synonmous, this is why when a merge suggested by Shabazz was taged on "Auto-Anti-Semitism" - I posted a message that merging is possible.

The only argument was weather to mere "Auto-Anti-Sematism" into "Self hating Jew", like Shabaz has offered, or the other way around like i've argued that "Self hating Jew" was the descrition of the phenomenon and "Auto-Anti-Sematism" was the term-title (Here is the difference you are looking for, if any).

It was decided to "Merge" the two, not to "delete" (the headline was "merge" not "delete"), especially, noted by one supporter of Shabazz's prosal to "merge", that he supports merging "Auto-Anti-semitism" into "self hating Jew", only if the contant of "Auto-Anti-Sematism" is included.

I did the merge myself, despite the fact that it was the othe way around, including the contant of "Auto-Anti-Sematism" - as was a "Merge" was propesed and not "Delete", and not to ignore the realty, and mention the term in use in the article.

Shabazz, all of a sudden, don't accpet the "Merge" he himself proposed, but rather wants to "delete". He keeps "Deleting" the "Merge" of contant of both articles and keep the article as before "Auto-Anti-sematism" existed. This is unaceptble

Another diefference, the term "Auto-Antisematism" points back at people from Otto Weininger(see one of the ref above, I think in "Alternative Jerusalem"), whos work the Nazis used, and at list 1240, to Hebrew wikpedia pointing as back (In their category of it), as back as to Nicholas Donin, whos own making lesd to the burning of the  Jewish liturgy, the Talmud.

The article "Self hating Jew", point at roots of the 19th century, and as "the fight between the Orthodox and reform jew -aand so I have added, the historical correction of:

However, despite the 19th cetury dispute pick, the phenomenon of Auto-Anti-Sematism goes back to 1240 AC, to Nicholas Donin, whose own making lead to the burning of the Jewish liturgy, the Talmud. (it is sttill there, since the "lock" of the article caught it up)

The histrical depth of the term "Auto-Anti-Sematism" - is the crucial part of merge (Some point at time it became synonmous with "self hating jew"), and the part in which, for some reason, Shabazz kept and kept deleting, letting people understand the the root of all of this is only in the 19th century.

What say you ? --Shevashalosh (talk) 09:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Otto Weininger, is in ref - "Drama and ideology in modern Israel". This wasn't a fight between orthodx and reform. --Shevashalosh (talk) 09:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * ?? --Shevashalosh (talk) 17:02, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure exactly what "historical depth" you are referring to. The article shows no such thing. Since "Self hating Jew" seems to be the most common term in English, I see no reason not to merge it into that article. If you want, you can add the term "Auto Antisemitism" to the lead, which is currently only a one-liner. -- Nudve (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I haven't objected to the merge, when it was decided upon on talk page, to the contaray, I meregd it myself ("merge" proposel not "delete" propsel).


 * This exacly the reason it is kept for now on a different article, since as noted by one of the supporters of the "merge", having saying that he supports Shabazz merge, if content is added, just like what you say now. the head line was "merge proposel", not "delete".


 * And as for Adding Auto-Anti-sematism to the lead, this is exaclly what Shabazz keeps deleting ....


 * What say you ? --Shevashalosh (talk) 18:02, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * He, for some reason, refuses to recognize adding the term "Auto-Antisemitsm" and the lead, in contra to what you say. ? --Shevashalosh (talk) 18:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the problem is not the name, but the "acadamic" adjective and the rest of the text. I can't really discuss this now. Perhaps tomorrow I'll join the debate on the article discussion page. -- Nudve (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have any objections to droping the "academic" word, makes no diffrenece to me. The problem is that he wants to ignore the lead and completly not include both the term "Auto-Anti-Sematism" and the lead. If he had said "I object to academic word", then this would have been a different case, but he keeps deleting and delting it... as though this was "delete" proposel and not "merege".


 * Asking me to "rephrase" is different then just deleting the reality, and what was agreed upon ("mrege" not "delete") of the term in use "Auto-Anti-Sematism" as well as the lead.


 * I'll wait for your joining to the disscussions tomorow, your opinion will matter. --Shevashalosh (talk) 18:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Self-hating Jew
Thank you for taking the initiative and trying to resolve the merger. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 05:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Cedjee deleting all your citation from Self-hating Jew
After using your same ref of "Holocust dnial to add the sentance that it (Auto-Anti-Semitism) is beeing atrributed to "Post Zionism" and "New Historians, he has deleted all your citaions from the article - and your comments on the "Auto anti sematism" - as though not only your citation deos not exist but also the term it self.

I managed to restore only one of your citaiion, which I have copied it to a document on my computer.

Take a look at the rest of citation that is gone. --Shevashalosh (talk) 12:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? All of the citations are still there. -- Nudve (talk) 12:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * After he deleted I managed to restore "Holocaust denial" (Caus I saved it on doc) - so now it apears, but he indeed deleted it (and also all your remarks about the existing term of Auto anti semitism, which I have noew restored, but he indeed deleted it - when he deleted it the term disapeared from the article)


 * Also near the sentance of auto anti semitism - there were two addtional citation that are still gone, "History of self hatred" and another one, which I don't know what it's got to to with the point, maby somebosy added for fun - something about "animals" or something.


 * have a look. --Shevashalosh (talk) 12:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Shevashalosh, I am fed-up.
 * I didn't delete anything !
 * Ceedjee (talk) 12:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * They now apear, so let's leave it there. --Shevashalosh (talk) 12:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "They now ap[pear]"
 * They had never disappeared as I had to explain you 6 times and after you go and put your lie everywere.
 * Don't forget to APOLOGIZE and to go and correct your propaganda.
 * You know why some goys become antisemite ? Because Israelis such as you, not because of Arabs. Ceedjee (talk) 12:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Your remarks do not desrve a comments. --Shevashalosh (talk) 12:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Of, yes they do. I am not a Post-Zionist but they claim eg that whereas Zionism expected to offer Jews a safer place in the world; Israel is now the most dangerous area for Jews in the world. Maybe *I* don't deserve an answer from you, but maybe Post-Zionist should deserve a better answer to their anlysis than "Arabs are antisemite". Ceedjee (talk) 12:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please stop. Shevashalosh, Ceedjee never deleted any of the citations. He only rephrased the sentence to make it more accurate. Maybe it looked at some point as if he did delete them because they weren't where you expected to find them. Just shake hands and stop fighting over this. Or at least do it somewhere else. Thanks -- Nudve (talk) 12:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

consolting on merge
Avi has redirected the page, "Auto anti semitism", which is fine. I just like to consolt with you on adding the list of the (dead) people

and here is what I wrote to avi on him infroming me on the redirection:


 * Thank you Avi. If you ask me personally, I think since it hit "wikirage" (LOL), a seperate artile will hit the roof on google from now on - but i'm joking off course...


 * By any case, seriously, I will consoult with Nudve concerning the (dead) people. This is not about "self identification", no one will call himself "self hating jew", but rather what the phenomenon is pointing, and we are talking about dead peope like: Otto Weininger (1880, Vienna) who's work, the Nazis used, as well as Nicholas Donin (1240, france), who lead to the burning of the jewish liturgy, the Talmud. The Hebrew wikipedia is also pointing only at (those) dead people.


 * If he agrees, it will be added, if not then it won't. thank you. --Shevashalosh (talk) 17:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * --Shevashalosh (talk) 17:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it would be best to let them rest in peace... -- Nudve (talk) 17:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Politicians etc
Cheers - hope you'll be feeling better asap. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  16:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yedioth Ahronoth
I am trying to improve the article.I have seen you have mention that it is not tabloid and then you said that it is borderline simply because for most people tabloid mean more than size.Oren.tal (talk) 05:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Graphics
I can help you, but not today. Is it urgent? It shouldn't be a problem to make a similar (derivative) map. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi again! I can probably make the map on this weekend, although I've hit a snag: it appears that the battle map you provided is completely incorrect in terms of geography, so I'd have to base my map on others. On the other hand, those are Israeli maps which usually don't go as far east as Karame, and it would be much more difficult to use them anyway. The question is, is the geography really important so as to make a completely new map from scratch? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 16:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Jordan River is just completely done wrong, it's like they drew a straight line and made a bunch of random curves. The urban outlines (Karame, Jericho, etc.) also seem to be random. However, it shouldn't matter too much in the end, I have an idea. By the way, your sandbox seems to be an article about Yemen, not Karame. Was this intentional and did you want me to just look at a different draft? Or do you have the Karame draft also? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 16:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked at the draft, it's quite interesting and probably has some DYK material. I have a few small issues, and will reserve the editing for later (except for the Six-Day War year error... tsk tsk tsk). For now I'll be working on the graphic.
 * On a side note, did you know about the Wikipedia meets that the Hebrew Wiki did? I was at one today (my first one) and was surprised to be the only representative who primarily edits the English Wikipedia. Are you interested in these kinds of events, or do you prefer to remain anonymous? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 16:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I have made a basic map (see image) which can serve as a foundation for any troop formation maps. It's much more accurate than the illustration from earlier, but that also means it took me the better part of the day to make :( if I have time today, I will finish with the actual battle movements. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Another map
Hi Nudve! I usually don't have time to work on anything in the middle of the week, so now that it's the weekend, I will finish the previous map, and possibly create another one if you want (the reason it takes so long is that with each new map I experiment and try new things, which always presents a new challenge). Thus, the Lebanon map, if I get around to it, could also take a really long time, because I've never done a map of Lebanon and don't have any good sources for its geographical or political details (for Israel I have been able to find tons, especially www.amudanan.co.il and CBS).

About quotes: they are regular, not inverted (unless you meant something else?) The benefit is technical, although at this point it doesn't matter much because the Wiki markup was made to accept refs without quotes. However, my edits have to do with the technical specifications of (X)HTML, on which Wiki markup tags like are based. XHTML clearly states that quotes are required, and I hope that Wiki markup changes to a more strict style to accept only quotes (should save server time). According to the same XHTML specs, there should be a space between a tag word (for self-closing tags) and the slash, e.g. ,

Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 18:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Karame map
Well, I finally got around to it. Check it out! I think it's fairly good, although I had little to base the map on (the troop movements), so some may be inaccurate or misleading. Basically, it is entirely based on the map you gave me earlier, but since that map is non-geographic (and not to scale) and especially doesn't take topography into account, it was very hard recreating the battle on this map. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 19:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * From my experience, most GA reviewers don't look at maps (which is unfortunate), but I definitely think that the article can be improved to GA status. I found out that one of my books (Carta) has a better battle plan, although it's also good for the information it has, some of which is different from the article. I'm going to try to improve the article as best I can. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 10:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I need help with something: I have the names of the forces which participated in the battle, and you seem to have the numbers (i.e. Danny Brigade vs. Xth Brigade). I have not been able to find the corresponding numbers for most of the forces involved, which is impending a detailed contribution. Can you help me find out the numbers for the Danny Brigade and Jordan Valley Territorial Brigade? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 11:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: Apparently the Jordan Valley Brigade is the 417th and the Danny (Mat) Brigade is the 247th. This is strange, as it contradicts Pollack, which took his figures from the same source as Carta. According to the article, Pollack says "60th Armored Brigade, 35th Paratroop Brigade, 80th Infantry Brigade". Do you have more information? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Paratroopers link, it clarifies some things. For example, that the Unit 35 is actually a palsar (reconnaissance company) and not a brigade. You'll be glad to know that I updated the map, by the way. Refresh the page :) -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Arghh! With some help from the Hebrew Wikipedia, I was able to finally understand the disposition of forces, and it appears that I have been wrong on a few accounts, no thanks to Pollack for using numbers instead of the widely-accepted names for units. I will update the map accordingly (this will be the 5th version : and hopefully create a simple breakdown of Israeli forces in the article to avoid confusion. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, there's one thing still bothering me - it is implied that Rafael Eitan was the commander of both the Jordan Valley Brigade and the 80th Brigade (reservist paratroopers brigade), and each unit boasts about participating in the Karameh operation. However, this doesn't seem possible. Can you help clear this up? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The force that attacked from the north (Adam Bridge) was commanded by Rafael Eitan. Was it the 80th Brigade or the Jordan Valley Brigade? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, according to the Paratroopers page you linked to, it was the 80th Brigade, but the commander was still Rafael Eitan because he commanded the territorial brigade. This does not mean that he was also the commander of the 80th Brigade regularly. I'll use this information at the moment, but something still smells fishy here, and if you can find more texts which are clearer on the matter, it will be much appreciated. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 13:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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Removing well-sourced information
I don't understand why you're removing good, well-sourced information from Battle of Jenin. Putting it in is certainly not vandalism as you've tried to infer, whereas taking it out probably is. There is a discrepancy here, widely commented on, and Amnesty's version is probably as good and as NPOV as we'll find. "When Amnesty International delegates went to Jenin Hospital on 17 April they found only "walking wounded" - those who had managed to make their own way through the IDF cordon. Doctors and diplomatic or other military experts who visited the scene, aware that in armed combat there is usually a ratio of three or four seriously wounded people to one dead person, wondered where were the heavily wounded. Stories of bodies buried in secret places or carried away in refrigerated vans spread." PRtalk 15:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I was not inferring that it was vandalism. The anon had accused both Jaakobou and myself of vandalism for reverting, so I suggested he read the definition of vandalism. I still think this is a case of WP:BRD and WP:ONUS, which should be settled through discussion, not edit war. Cheers, -- Nudve (talk) 16:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be fair enough, except that, as is stands, this is a hugely POV article, written to a Hasbara text - including the excision of lots of very, very good material. There is some RS support for a "No Massacre" argument, but that would only be a tiny proportion of the story, which is overwhelmingly that the incident was an atrocity. Unless you were there, with your gun in your hand, the decent thing to do would be to slip away and allow the article to be written to policy. PRtalk 17:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what "policy" you are referring to. Can you be more specific? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "Hasbara text" (see also WP:NOTCENSORED). No, I was not there with a gun (or without one), but I would appreciate it if you assumed good faith instead of making personal threats. Thank you. -- Nudve (talk) 06:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hasbara is a reference to putting a POV twist on events. The Hasbara handbook is here. The reference to "your gun in your hand" refers to the possibility (almost certainly not the case, as best I know and believe) that you have a Conflict of Interest related to this incident and reporting accurately on it. PRtalk 13:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Prime minister of Israel
Ok. I thought Olmert was dissmissed. But I accept that it says Olmert since you seem to know more than I do about this. All the best --Fipplet (talk) 14:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Infobox Kibbutz
I don't think it's the Netzarim corridor - it's probably an accident. I was going to fix the entire map (for example, change the color of the Golan Heights and create a visible East Jerusalem, similar to the other relevant maps), but it's very hard to work with (no SVG version), so I'm probably going to create a whole new similar map for this. No one says our pushpin map has to look exactly like all the others, see for example what WP Egypt did here. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 10:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually from the technical point of view, it would be very easy to use the Hebrew map. However, it has a few important issues. It doesn't demarkate East Jerusalem, and also shows the Gaza Strip as Israeli territory, which it isn't since 2005. Also the Judea and Samaria Area have a different legal status than the rest of Israel, so that should be clarified as well. And even if all that's fixed, many Wikipedians are likely to oppose the Golan being the same color as the rest of Israel. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 11:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Just reviewed your changes to Matzuba, and have two comments: Firstly, the point of my change to the template wasn't to introduce the pushpin map, which was already there. It was to change the field 'kibbutz_name' to 'name' so that it properly shows up on the map. Secondly, when you add a pushpin map, you can remove the coordinates template, in order to avoid a duplicate display of coordinates at the top. For an example of what I'm talking about, see this edit I just did. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 16:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi again! I have finally had time to create a better location map for Israel :) check it out in any article with a pushpin map, like Arad, Israel! -- Ynhockey (Talk) 02:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

use the discussion section before editing
I have explained why I can not put it inside the article.Too many details to be included.I have mention that in the discussion section.Yet you have ignore from what I had written and went to edit.You should response and only then to edit.Especially that I address your points.Oren.tal (talk) 18:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC) I mean that article contain too many details to be embedded.Oren.tal (talk) 18:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination
Hi, I've nominated an article you created, Battle of Nablus, for consideration to appear in the Did you know section of the Main Page. You can see the hook I created for the article at Template talk:Did you know where you can improve it if you see fit. --Bruce1eetalk 07:31, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for nominating Battle of Nablus for DYK. I had considered it myself when I created it, but back then I thought it might not be so "hooky". Anyway, I've posted a comment at the DYK talk page and suggested an alternative. The thing about your is that it implies that they were killed after being taken prisoner, which is not true. The battle simply continued. Those things need special care per WP:BLP, especially in a sensitive area such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Cheers, -- Nudve (talk) 08:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Point taken, and I have no problem with the alternate hook. --Bruce1eetalk 08:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: IDF
Hi again! Actually I didn't mean that we should wait with the article, just that we should first draft a basic sketch of the information that should go into this article (which could and should be massive), in order to know what sources to look for, before making incremental edits which I've been making for ages to no avail and you have made recently (your edits and especially new sources will definitely help in the long run though!) I will prepare a draft of what I believe the article should look like (no actual content, just ideas) at User:Ynhockey/Israel Defense Forces and will note you when it's done. Cheers and Shana Tova! -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Check it out. In my opinion, this is what the article should be built like. If you have any suggestions, please make them and let's agree on a simple structure. Then we can start filling in the blanks :) -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I completely agree about the centralization, although I have tried bringing attention to this article several times in the past and no one seems to be interested in editing it. Non-Israelis (and mishtamtim) have very little knowledge about the IDF and mostly care about the criticism (unfortunately), while those who actually served are usually afraid of being accused of violating bitahon sadeh, which is funny because Wikipedia's policy of verifiability is 100% compatible with bitahon sadeh in that you can't use classified sources. Anyway, I'll leave a note in the WP Israel discussion about our talks and the draft, not sure what good it will do. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Yemen
Would it be OK to just use the map from the book and make a very similar map? It would definitely not be a copyright violation, as geographic data in itself is non-copyrightable, but I wouldn't want the maps to look almost the same. In any case, I will help you but first I have to make the small Israeli pushpin maps, which I'm working on right now. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Check it out. What do you think? Making them is harder than I thought though :( also now the pushpin map size needs to be set to 250 each time until I figure out a way to separate the sizes by default between the main map and the other ones. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I'm talking about making a map entirely based on the one in the book, without additional source maps. It's definitely not a copyvio, but still probably not nice. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's pretty basic - the new map will be made by tracing the map from the book for the topography (which is geodata and non-copyrightable) and manually adding the arrows, also using the book's image. Could be extremely simple. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Tracing is automatic edge detection in order to convert bitmap/raster graphics (like in the book) to vector graphics that are used for most maps on Wikipedia. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 16:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you
Thank you for restoring the copyright violation tag that someone had removed. Re asking you first: I had considered doing that. However, I assumed you had seen the edit summary of my edit which you reverted, and the edit summary made it clear that I thought there was a copyright violation, so I figured that step had already been adequately covered; also, possible copyright violations are not supposed to remain on display during discussion, and I didn't know whether you or I might be unavailable for a few days. Re looking at your edits for a new version of the section: I'm sorry, I've been busy, but may be able to get to that now or within a day or two. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 15:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I replied on this section of my talk page. And added an additional reply. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 16:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Copyright concerns at Battle of Jenin
Hi. Thanks for addressing copyright concerns at Battle of Jenin. The report does not come "due" at WP:CP for a couple of days yet, but there's no reason it can't be resolved early. I've looked at your temporary version at Talk:Battle of Jenin/Temp. There were a few small problems, which I've revised. (For instance, your temporary version said, "It said the overall number of Palestinians killed was fifty-two, and that about half of them may have been civilians." The source said, "the UN said the overall number of Palestinians killed was 52 - around half of whom may have been civilians." There's a substantial duplication of the text there, enough to be an issue with WP:NFC. I've changed the words a bit. If the text that I've used is acceptable to you, please copy it from the temporary page and overwrite the problematic section with it. Ordinarily, we'd merge the two pages, but there's a long enough history at Battle of Jenin that I wouldn't want to burden the system by deleting it. You and I are the only contributors of text to the temporary page, and I am willing to put my contribution there into public domain, so attribution is not necessary. :) Once you've copied the section (presuming my changes meet your approval), please let me know, and I will delete the temporary page under WP:CSD and mark the copyright problem resolved at the copyright problem board. If you have any problems with this or have any questions, please also let me know. :) I'm watching your talk page and will see any reply here. Thanks. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking an initiative here. Your revision is fine by me, so I'll copy it. Thanks again :) -- Nudve (talk) 07:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The temporary page is deleted, and I will mark the matter resolved. Thank you. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Contact
Hi Nudve! I was wondering how I could contact you off Wikipedia. You said earlier than IM was not your thing, but now I also noticed that you chose not to receive e-mails from other users. If the e-mail is private, would you mind sending me an e-mail at ynhockey at gmail dot com so that only I will know it? I have a few things to send you and stuff. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 18:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Cohen
Cheers for the notification - I had just copied the code of the Amsalem article into it, but obviously forgot to change everything! пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  15:13, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Insignia in templates
Hi Nudve! All free images (i.e. Commons images) can be used, while non-free ones should not be. On a side note, I think it's terrible that the IDF copyrights logos and such, not sure why this is. Most armies and governments in the world don't do this. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not 100% sure of the copyright status of the IAF flag. In fact, I asked a similar question about flags on the Commons help desk a while ago and got a decidedly unsatisfactory reply. However, flags (unlike logos) are generally either not copyrighted (most state flags) or non-copyrightable (simple color/shapes), so I assume in good faith that Oren neu dag knew that he was uploading a non-copyrighted image (the license needs to be changed to PD in that case, but again, I'm not 100% sure). I think the best way to solve this is e-mail either the IAF or Dotz and ask them about the flag's copyright status. By the way, most other IDF corps flags consist of a sliced rectangle with 2 colors, and are basic enough to be non-copyrightable. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Nice work on the new IAF template, it looks great! -- Joshdboz (talk) 03:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

"Vandalism" on Jerusalem
Could I trouble you to explain your use of the word vandalism to describe the IP edits on Jerusalem earlier today? I think this label (and thus the associated threat to block) are inappropriate. For the record, I don't support the edits themselves. As I see it, you're free to revert, and for the second instance you might warn this user about edit warring. But I think this would be a content dispute, not vandalism. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. cheers, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: RfA
Hi Nudve! Thanks for the nomination and kind words. I humbly accept and will post it for discussion as soon as I write an answer to the questions. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi again! The RfA passed today :) what a relief. Now I can stop worrying and focus again on the issues at hand. Thanks for your nomination! On a side note, yesterday I expanded Tel HaShomer, the first article I ever created (in 2004) so that it's finally a non-stub, after almost 4 years! So proud of adding those couple paragraphs, it's kind of a sgirat ma'agal. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 20:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Your Nom
Hey there Nudve, I hope you don't take offense to this, but I would highly recommend that you revisit your RfA nomination. Nominations are the first impression people have of a candidate, and short ones often bode ill for the candidate. You might want to take a look at How to nominate somebody for RfA for ideas on how to flesh out your nom.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 20:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Dates
I've been changing them because Month Day is generally restricted to American usage, whilst Day Month is the international usage - DATE. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  09:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Forthcoming elections
This will be a hot article in the next few days I believe! пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  19:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Israel highway infoboxes
I think the map parameter is for maps, which could be rather useful if anyone would be up to making these maps (not me at the moment!). For now, I think we should make the parameter optional. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have made it an optional field. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 21:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
Concerning the Campaign Box for the Second Italo-Abyssinian War, thank you! "Addis Ababa" is a far better choice than "March." Since it is Halloween, I will quote the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz: "If I only had a brain, I would have thought of it myself ... "  Again, thanks! Mkpumphrey (talk) 11:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Valley of Tears
Although I've wanted to expand the articles on Israeli tank warfare (including the Merkava article), I just lack the resources on the Yom Kippur War (only a few sources) and especially on the Lebanon wars. I used to have a very good book on the Arab-Israeli Wars, by Trevor N. Dupuy, but I no longer own it. JonCatalán(Talk) 18:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Beilin
He has actually left the Knesset though (as of yesterday) and has been replaced by Tzvia Greenfeld, so I'll add that bit back (and change his category). пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  11:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Greenfeld is definitely a DYK candidate for being the first female ultra-orthodox MK though. I'm busy all day, so feel free to start the article yourself. Another new faction's just been created too (The Right Way), so another article required... пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also noticed that there is no consistency with the spelling of her surname, even in Ynetnews - sometimes Greenfield, sometimes Greenfeld. Greenfeld seems to have the slight edge on Ghits... пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It (the Right Way) is on the Knesset website, so I assume it's official - Justice for the Elderly didn't appear on there for ages. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  12:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Good work. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  17:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:AVI notice
First of all, thanks for the notice on User:72.10.122.129, however, you stated that there was "vandalism after recent release of block". I suppose that "recent" is a relative term, but that block was two months ago and for only 31 hours. There only edit was this since, which could be considered a test edit, with no warnings given for it, either. Not really worthy of a block at this time, but you can keep an eye out, though. Thanks. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 17:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

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DYK for Ofira Air Battle

 * Awesome work on this article. I've had concerns about the verifiability and notability of the article going back several years now.  However, your recent expansion has really put that to rest for me - it's now a creditable article.-- Kubigula (talk) 05:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Roash
WP:ATHLETE demands a league be fully professional, and having seen the attendances in Liga Leumit (~300 for some clubs) I simply cannot see how the league would be fully pro. I don't have any proof either way though. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  09:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No - you're right about the definition of professional (i.e. no job other than playing football) - my point was that I couldn't see how clubs sustain it (financially) on such low attendances (i.e. how could 300 fans (generously assuming 100NIS entry = takings of 500,000NIS a year) fund a squad of 15 players plus coaching staff) - crowds are not part of the WP:ATHLETE definition. I have heard that other league (such as Serie C2) are fully pro despite similarly low attendances, so it is (supposedly) possible - hopefully it's written down somewhere. However, next season when the league is expanded to 16 clubs - several of which will be from Liga Artzit, I really can't see it being the case. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries - I don't see it as a campaign - it's a question I've asked before and never had answered definitively... пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Moses Montefiore Windmill
A revised replacement paragraph has been proposed on the talk page. Your comments appreciated please. Mjroots (talk) 09:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Map of the North Yemen Civil War
Hi Nudve! I have created the map. While it is one of my sloppiest projects to date, geographic/topographic accuracy isn't strictly a requirement in battle diagrams, so here's the result. Hope you like it! Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 10:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So, when's this article going to be FA? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

re:Second Battle of Mount Hermon
No problem, thanks for creating the Battle of Mount Hermon articles so I could read them. They're really nice. Important additions to Wikipedia indeed. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Akiva Megrelashvili
Hello Nudve. Thanks for your message - I couldn't hold out in the end. Anyway, Megreslashvili's cup match for Kiryat Shmona was when they were in Liga Leumit (2004), so it doesn't help him pass WP:ATHLETE (only cup matches for clubs in fully professional leagues are deemed to count towards it). Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  16:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again - I probably won't be able to give up until there's an article on every MK and every village has the proper infobox (including pushpin map) on it! :) пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  16:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! &mdash; BillC talk 09:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Battle of the Chinese Farm
I would suggest asking the user who made the edit to cite his quotations. They are likely legit, and in keeping with the reports of the battle, but it's not cited and I like for all quotes to be cited. I'll ask him, maybe you could do the same when you get a chance? Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 13:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...I'm inclined to disagree. The quotes in question reference what is memorable and unique about The Battle, namely, the confusion and impromptu hand-to-hand fighting in the dark. Maybe they can be moved or reformatted? Currently I feel like the article doesn't adequately explain why the Battle of the Chinese Farm was memorable. Without the unique characteristics of the battle, it's more like just a small footnote to the Eastern Front on the Yom Kippur War. I thought the quote about the Egyptian jumping up on the Centurion and asking for a cigarette (and getting a grenade in response) is useful for really driving the point home about how unusual the fighting conditions were. Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 04:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Six-Day War
I've reverted your addition to that article, because I think it's given undue weight. Don't you think would belong in David Rubinger? -- Nudve (talk) 17:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm writing the Rubinger article now and will have even more detail about the photo in there, but Six-Day War needs that passage in order to satisfy WP:NFCC, especially #8, which specifies that the image be required for reader comprehension of the text. Since there is no mention of the photo anywhere in the article, it doesn't really satisfy the policy. Does that make sense?  howcheng  {chat} 18:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It does make sense, but did anyone actually have an issue with this photo's fair use? It just seems like a relatively minor anecdote in the grand scheme of the entire war. -- Nudve (talk) 18:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I do. This has already been at IFD once before with the complaint that there was no commentary about the photo anywhere. Although it was kept at the time and I didn't vote in the discussion, it's been almost a year and a half since then and still there's nothing. Plus, I want to use it as the example of allowable use in WP:NFC Images #4, so it would be best if the usage in this article was ironclad.  howcheng  {chat} 18:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you be willing to move it elsewhere in the article (probably the aftermath), instead of making it one of the fighting fronts? -- Nudve (talk) 18:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, I just think it needs to be in the article somewhere.  howcheng  {chat} 22:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Lebanon War
Thanks for the solving the problem :) and sorry that I reverted right after your changes, without asking. Take care --Novis-M (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Re your note
Thanks for your message. I've been away for a couple of days, so I've only now had a chance to look into it. The editor has made an attempt to add references into some of their edits (although to unsuitable sources), so there has been some improvement. I've left them a note and will be keeping a close eye on things; however, feel free to drop me a note if you have any more concerns. Regards, EyeSerene talk 15:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The use of edit summaries isn't compulsory (just strongly encouraged), and although he's made some questionable edits they've been easy enough to fix so far. If you think I'm being too lenient though, please let me know. Personally I'd like to give them a bit more time to improve - and if blocking should be necessary, I want it to be strong enough to stick ;) EyeSerene talk 17:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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AfD
Hi! Would you mind weighing in on this AfD: Brownmark Films The discussion has been re-listed several times and I'm hoping to finally get concensus on it. Thanks! SERSeanCrane (talk) 02:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Amos Keinan
About this particular case, I really couldn't care less. The problem here is the general rule: do we change names and move articles at the request of 'primary sources', but contrary to guidelines, or not? (had a similar case with Kfar Mena(c)hem). Guess I should've made that clear in the WP:ISRAEL discussion. I think we should wait for a few days and move if there's no objection, but still leave the RfC for a month to see what unrelated Wikipedians have to say about this. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 22:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Shlomo Sand
This, which is from a 2005 Ha'aretz article, shows that Sand was opposed to the proposed British academic boycott of Israel. It might be interesting to put into the article, but the Ha'aretz link seems not to work. Do you know if there is a way to recover it? Malcolm Schosha (talk) 14:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, that seems to be it. My inability with anything requiring computer know-how is a major WP liability.


 * The whole big deal concerning Sand puzzles me. I suppose there might be some, but none of the Zionists I know consider Judaism to be anything other than a religious tradition, with a number of cultural traditions closely related to the religion. Often the bonds of cultural traditions are quite strong, even when they relate to religious observance rather loosely. Since the book has not yet been translated into English, there do not seem many good sources anyhow. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 15:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Tiv Taam
Thanks! The DYK looks great. Epson291 (talk) 10:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Porat
Looks good to me - I changed one sentence a bit. I'm about to create an article on Hussniya Jabara - a DYK candidate as the first woman Arab in the Knesset. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  15:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Problem with a DYK hook
Hi, Nudve! There's a problem with the DYK hook you have submitted for the article Ron Ben-Yishai. Can you please check this and respond there? Best if you can hurry, since it's in the expiring noms section. Thanks and cheers. C h a m a l  talk 01:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

USS Liberty
Can you point me to the consensus that says the 2003 Moorer Report doesn't deserve it's own section at this article? PRtalk 14:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the fact that this edit was reverted four times since the beginning of the month (six, including my revert and another one) is reason enough to refrain from reintroduction without discussion. -- Nudve (talk) 14:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I wholeheatedly disagree - this has been edited out by people with an agenda. It deserves its own section.--HENRY WINKLESTEIN (talk) 01:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Ashkelon pushpin map
Hi Nudve! There is no reason to protect template documentation page, as changing them does not affect the template itself, so they cannot be classed as 'highly visible'. For example Template:Citation/doc is not protected. In any case, good luck adding all those pushpin maps! I did a few as well, just to see how it works out. This is really much better than a low-zoom image like 'north haifa', which I'm going to split. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 15:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * On a side note, I just wrote a simple new tool for adding pushpin maps (paste the coords template): . To remind you, there's another tool if you don't have the coords template: . Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 16:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not very familiar with BOTREQ, but logic suggests that by the time we can get a bot written and approved, it won't be too hard to add all the pushpin maps manually, and this tool will make it that much less tedious. But if you don't want to do this, it's totally fine with me; we aren't working to a deadline after all, so there is no rush. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 16:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Use pushpin_label_position (left, right, top, bottom, I think. Check Template:location map/doc. Having said that, I don't think you should use the Jerusalem District pushpin maps for this region just yet. I will try to make maps for J&S areas shortly. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:00, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

More work for you
Yeah, Operation Pleshet. I told you I'd write it :D took all day though :( please see if you can add anything. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe that they are separate battles not related to one another. If anything, the Battle of Nitzanim is more relevant to Operation Pleshet. As for planning... not sure I will be able to sit through another day like this for Negba. Maybe another battle :) Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 12:08, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Action of 13 January 1797
Thankyou for participating in the peer review for Action of 13 January 1797. The article has now passed FAC and your assistance in the process was much appreciated. Regards--Jackyd101 (talk) 11:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Re'im
I've answered your question and provided an alternative hook you might want to look at. - Mgm|(talk) 15:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of Suez
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Barnstar

 * I never joined WP:MILHIST, but just like WP:BIO, it's a huge WikiProject, so almost every prolific editor is involved with it in one way or another. By the way, I got a new book today called "חטיבת גבעתי מול הפולש המצרי", it appears to have a lot of information on the Battle of Nitzanim and Operation Pleshet. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 12:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: User:Deanb
Hi Nudve! Thanks for letting me know. I originally removed the picture not because of copyright concenrns, but because: -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) We had a discussion about what 'title' picture to use, and decided on the dusk panorama. Subsequent changes should therefore be discussed.
 * 2) It's not actually a good picture, both in terms of composition and quality. It doesn't really show Tel Aviv, and what it does show is not easy to see, and there is a lot of grain. We have much better pictures of the same scene.

Operation Mole Cricket 19
Passed the article to GA. You wouldn't know how to get the review to appear on the talk page would you?-Kieran4 (talk) 14:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I added it to the list. What it says is Leave an initial comment, save the subpage, and transclude that comment onto the article talk page by adding to the bottom of the last section on the article talk page: you need to replace ArticleName and n by the name of the article and the subpage number: this is most conveniently done by copying the name of the subpage and pasting it into the edit window. I've been trying to figure out what that means ever since I started reviewing the article and I still have no idea what to do.-Kieran4 (talk) 15:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

17 January 1797
I looked in at lunch, but other than that, I've been at work all day. It looks like the article took quite a beating and thank you very much for doing your best to look after it. Given the extent of the damage, from good faith but incompetent copyedits right through to mindless vandalism, I think I will wait until the article leaves the page and then do a mass revert to before the day began, then running through it to incorporate any appropriate changes using the diffs to identify them. Its funny, but this seems a much more savage vandalism assault than any other of my main page article have ever suffered.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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Antisemitic incidents during the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict
Hi Nudve, thanks a lot for your recent contribution to this article regarding Turkey. It was established on the talk page that the article shouldn't include anti-Israel incidents, and that hate speech isn't notable enough for inclusion, unless there was something special about it, e.g. it was made by a government official or by the media. I think the "Jews not allowed" poster incident may fail the notability criterion, and the swastika on the Israeli embassy fails the relevance criterion, since it is not necessarily anti-Jewish. Someone spray-painting "Israel sucks" on a synagogue would be relevant though, because the target of the vandalism is a synagogue. It can get tricky, because the media usually cite antisemitic and anti-Israel incidents in the same articles. Anyway, I hope you continue contributing to the page, and of course, if you disagree with the criteria established on the talk page, your input would be very welcome. Thanks again. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 16:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Jewish Terrorism -Original Research?
Before undoing my edits, did you read the talk page? I removed Original Research which has been unreferenced since December. If you can produce a reliable source to support the contention that "Jewish Terrorism" means religious terrorism only, I would understand your actions, but I totally fail to understand your accusations of original research - please explain.93.96.148.42 (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Please provide me with references, rather than writing your opinion on my talk page.93.96.148.42 (talk) 06:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Please rewrite - just don't delete. Your source -http://terrorism.about.com/od/politicalislamterrorism/tp/Religious-terrorism.htm - doesn't mention "jewish terrorism" - but does mention the stern gang!93.96.148.42 (talk) 07:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Not only does the source mention the stern gang, but it got the article reverted by XLinkBot. Please take more care with your references.93.96.148.42 (talk) 08:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Mersa Talemet
I just started the above. Feel free to join in.--Omrim (talk) 01:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Tag
Thanks for the unit tag :D I've been working on this image in and out for the last 3 months or so, glad that it's finally done. It's not perfect, but I have the vector version so it's much easier to fix errors (if you find any, tell me!) Now onto the other parts of the IDF article... (first though I intend to finish adding nikud and geographical coordinates to all Israeli localities with articles). -- Ynhockey (Talk) 16:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Likud
Hi Nudve. Could you give your opinion on Likud's political leanings at Talk:Likud? Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  23:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Operation Badr
Whan you have the time, I'll appreciate your support input in the "neutrality" discussion in the talk page of Operation Badr.--Omrim (talk) 14:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I am quite new here as you can probably tell. Note taken. Best.--Omrim (talk) 15:14, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

The War over Water
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Re: Pushpin maps
Done. I actually had to add three maps to the documentation, one of which existed for a long time and another which I also created recently. What bothers me is that the newest map (northwestern Negev) is not 100% accurate (the map itself), although this won't have any practical effect, except possibly on Kerem Shalom (the inaccuracy is in the southern Gaza Strip border). Since I drew the actual map several years ago, it's hard to say at this point what the problem is, and maybe I'll re-draw parts of it after finishing all the individual location maps. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 11:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean Kerem Shalom comes out inside the strip? -- Nudve (talk) 11:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really, but it's not exactly accurate. By the way, I just remembered an old map that Number 57 asked me to make which wasn't used anywhere. I think it could be quite useful. --Ynhockey (Talk) 11:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, now that there's a "haifa" map, perhaps the "north" map can focus eastward? -- Nudve (talk) 11:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope to make two or three more north maps--Upper Galilee, Lower Galilee, and Eastern Galilee with Golan. Ironically, I made the smallest-scale map for the district with the smallest localities (which would need a large-scale map for precision), and I intend to fix it as time allows. However, today I noticed that the Ministry of the Interior finally updated their municipal borders map and therefore I wish to first update the Tel Aviv District location map (the one with a separate image for each town). I also noticed a mistake in the South District boundaries on my maps (near Ashdod), which affects the Israel ashkelon and Israel center ta maps (at the moment, just Nir Galim as far as I can tell). This will be a bit hard to fix quickly, but it's kind of important. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 13:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed that you've been adding some pushpin maps to articles. Thanks! If you would like to automate the process more, please don't forget the two tools I created: the pushpin map tool, meant to convert existing coord templates into pushpin maps, and the coordinates tool, meant to convert Google Maps links into coord and pushpin map templates. These tools are rather rudimentary and by no means foolproof, but they have been saving me loads of time with these repetitive tasks. By the way, I finished all the Tel Aviv District maps, check them out! Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 01:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice. I wasn't gonna do them all immediately, just the towns. I said it before, and I think it's even more true now that you have these tools, maybe this could be taken to WP:BOTREQ? -- Nudve (talk) 05:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Another thing: I noticed that you just tagged several former settlements in the Gaza strip for the project. Since we now have a pushpin map the includes the strip, do you think we should add kibbutz infoboxes to these articles as well? if so, maybe we should add a date of depopulation field to the infobox. What do you think? -- Nudve (talk) 16:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it is possible to customize the pushpin locator (the red dot by default), this can be done by adding pushpin maps and changing the red dot to something else which makes it clear that the village no longer exists (like an X). This has to be discussed first though (IMO). The infoboxes should definitely be added though. By the way, I think we should rename Infobox Kibbutz already, it's long overdue. And another thing: the 'talkback' feature sucks. No offense ;) -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What I meant was a field, a parameter, that says "depopulated" or something. Changing the locator might only be confusing. What would you rename it to? and why do you think it sucks? I think there's an advantage to having a discussion on a single talk page, instead of going back and forth. -- Nudve (talk) 04:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

William James Fitzgerald
Hello Nudve. I have translated this article from the Hebrew Wiki. As my English is that of an Israeli high school graduate, and I am not very active here, can you look over the article, fix any syntax or grammar mistakes, and see if there is any Wikization that needs to be done? I believe this article is within your scope of interest. Thank you Pelegisrael (talk) 07:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm not a native speaker of English either. If you want one, I suggest asking at WT:ISRAEL. Also, I see the entire article is unsourced. Can provide reliable sources (preferably English ones) to support it? -- Nudve (talk) 13:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Are the "Further reading" and "External Links" sections that I have added enough? Thanks Pelegisrael (talk) 14:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They are an improvement, although inline citations are generally preferable. I have to say Google does not return many results for this man. Anyway, your contribution is much appreciated :) I also see that you've already been offered to join WP:ISRAEL, and I hope this time you'll accept. Cheers, Nudve (talk) 15:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for everything Pelegisrael (talk) 17:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:New Movement-Meretz
Would you care to join in the discussion regarding whether the party is far-left or not? Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  14:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Neve Mivtah and Bashit
Hi Nudve! I noticed that in June 2008 you added that Neve Mivtah was established on the ruins of the Arab village Bashit. Someone added the same info to Kfar Mordechai, so doing a bit further research, I found out that indeed Kfar Mordechai and Aseret are located where Bashit was, while Neve Mivtah is a few km south. However, given that Arab villages at that time controlled a lot of unused territory (the effendi), it's possible that Neve Mivtah was on the lands of Bashit, but not on the 'ruins' of the village. I hope you still have the Mapa gazetteer! Can you please provide the direct quote or send me the page? Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 11:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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Operation Bringing Home the Goods
Thank you for this article. Very interesting writing. --Shuki (talk) 08:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. Cheers, Nudve (talk) 10:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Operation Bringing Home the Goods
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Jaffa-Jerusalem railway
Hi Nudve, I saw you were once involved in editing this article and thus might have an interest in the current revisions it has undergone. I have worked on it extensively to get it into shape but all the edits are being blanket reverted because a previous editor claims he has no time to check each change individually and is upset that I have dared to touch "his" article. If you have time, I would like to hear your opinion. Thanks.--Gilabrand (talk) 05:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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Gan Or
Hi Nudve! Please take a look at Gan Or and Talk:Gan Or. IIRC, you have the Mapa gazetteer, please let me know what it says about the founding of the moshav. Cheers, --Ynhockey (Talk) 10:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Please put Sderot on your watchlist if it's no trouble, this edit stayed for over 4 hours, not good! -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Project templates
Thank you for your note about Project templates. In my view having two project teams devoted to improving an article, provided of course there is clear relevance to project goals, is something to be welcomed. In some Israel articles (Demographics of Israel for example) there is clear relevance to the I/P problem whereas others aren't relevant at all. Editors should just make their own best judgment without having to worry about whether another editor would view the situation dfferently. BTW I am a member of WikiProject Israel and have tagged and rated hundreds of articles for the project without anyone making a comment, which I find interesting. Ian Pitchford (talk) 16:39, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your response and reference to earlier discussions, of which I was unaware. In my view editors should just tag articles in good faith as they think apropriate. The outcome will be that two project teams will eventually review the article in question and decide whether or not they want to work on improving it. It's not a matter for great concern, and as you, I, and most other editors just do this as a hobby in our spare time we shouldn't bother spending much time worrying about or debating it. I hope you agree. If you spot a template in an egregiously unjustifiable location just remove it. I am sure no reasonable editor will complain. After all there are a great many articles to review and often a very short time to make a judgement. Ian Pitchford (talk) 10:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Battle of the Chinese Farms
Hi Nudve,

I've posted a question for you here.

Awaiting your answer. Sherif9282 (talk) 09:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nudve. I've left you a note regarding Sharon's Division here. Let me know what you think. Best. --Sherif9282 (talk) 08:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Your opinion in Amnon Yitzhak
user:shuki is trying to remove the following which is, as you can see, well sourced. I would appreciate you opinion. Mashkin (talk) 19:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

"According to ynet, Yitzhak "is considered to have a clear anti-Zionist position, similar to that of the Satmar Hassidim. Like them, he boycotts the Knesset elections. This view is extremely rare among the Haredi-Mizrahi public, and even rarer among Mizrahi Baalei Teshuva - Amnon Yitzhak's primary target audience." "

Hi
I haven't been around indeed. I had (still have) some personal real-life issues to attend to. I'll be back (hopefully in full force) in the next week or two.--Omrim (talk) 21:14, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

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Operation Pleshet
Hi Nudve! Thank you very much for the excellent contribution to the article. I would like to reorganize some stuff, but the historiography section you added is great! Maybe with some small changes this could be ready for FA.

One question: The sentence: Uri Avneri, who took part in the battle of Isdud, wrote that according to their orders, they were the last line of defense before Tel Aviv. – who is 'they'? Is it Givati? And, does Aharoni cite BiSdot Pleshet? Because I have that book and might be able to provide more insight on what Avneri wrote. Also what is the name in Hebrew of the Aharoni book?

Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 15:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Never mind about the name, I got it. —Ynhockey (Talk) 15:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Historiography as a section is actually a very good idea (IMO). I wanted to make one but there wasn't enough material to write more than a few lines. Of course, now that you added the material, it can be written. I will check out BiSdot Pleshet and perhaps rewrite that sentence which I can't really understand at the moment. Thanks again! —Ynhockey (Talk) 16:18, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Although I got the book by Shmuelevich (Aharoni, Kabha), the article could not have been writte in this way without you :) I've also been working on some other stuff. Will let you know if anything good turns out of it. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 22:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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Sorry, here's the link.  T i a m u t talk 10:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, the case was closed by User:Spartaz. I left him a note about it here. I was hoping that you would review what uninvolved admins had to say about reverting without discussion. It relates to the discussion we had at Battle of Jenin. I think it might clear up what it was I was trying to convery to you there and help both of us to better understand one another when we edit articles together. Anyway, happy editing Nudve.  T i a m u t talk 09:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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I just created 2 new articles: Battles of Fort Budapest and Battle of Fort Lahtzanit. Anytime you're free it would be nice if you could expand on those articles with some English-lang sources. Cheers! :) Sherif9282 (talk) 15:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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Never mind, I've got it. Sorry for bothering you.--RM (Be my friend) 20:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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We are a team of researchers at the University of Oxford and AU Sharjah, researching the experiences of editors of content about the Arab world on Wikipedia. We are interested in your experiences of editing Wikipedia and are organising two events that we think you would be an excellent contributor to. First, we are hosting an online wiki focus group about contributing to Wikipedia in Arabic and to articles about the Middle East and North Africa. We are interested in what barriers you perceive to exist in Wikipedia, how articles can be made better and generally what can be done to expand and improve Arabic Wikipedia and Wikipedia articles about the Arab world. This discussion will take place on a MediaWiki hosted at our institution and be available in English and Arabic. We will allow users to create their own discussion pages in addition to our discussions. Second, we are hosting face-to-face workshops in Cairo from 21st-22nd October 2012. If you are interested in this we should be able to pay travel and accommodation costs for up to twenty participants. This workshop will cover similar themes to the online discussion but will allow participants to meet one another and benefit from being together.

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Greetings from WikiProject Military history! As a member of the project, you are invited to take part in our annual project coordinator election, which will determine our coordinators for the next twelve months. If you wish to cast a vote, please do so on the election page by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:07, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Nominations for the Military history Wikiproject's Historian and Newcomer of the Year Awards are now open!
The Military history Wikiproject has opened nominations for the Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year. Nominations will be accepted until 13 December at 23:59 GMT, with voting to begin at 0:00 GMT 14 December. The voting will conclude on 21 December. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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Voting for the Military historian and Military newcomer of the year now open!
Nominations for the military historian of the year and military newcomer of the year have now closed, and voting for the candidates has officially opened. All project members are invited to cast there votes for the Military historian and Military newcomer of the year candidates before the elections close at 23:59 December 21st. For the coordinators,

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WikiProject Military history coordinator election
Greetings from WikiProject Military history! As a member of the project, you are invited to take part in our annual project coordinator election. If you wish to cast a vote, please do so on the election page by 23:59 (UTC) on 29 September. Yours, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:21, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
Hi, You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Nominations for the Military history WikiProject historian and newcomer of the year awards now open!
On behalf of the Military history WikiProject's Coordinators, we would like to extend an invitation to nominate deserving editors for the 2015 Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards. The nomination period will run from 7 December to 23:59 13 December, with the election phase running from 14 December to 23:59 21 December. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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Military history WikiProject coordinator election
Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway, and as a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 23 September. For the Coordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:01, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Voting for the Military history WikiProject Historian and Newcomer of the Year is ending soon!
Time is running out to voting for the Military Historian and Newcomer of the year! If you have not yet cast a vote, please consider doing so soon. The voting will end on 31 December at 23:59 UTC, with the presentation of the awards to the winners and runners up to occur on 1 January 2017. For the Military history WikiProject Coordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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March Madness 2017
G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:


 * tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
 * updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
 * creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.

For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election
Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting
As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)