User talk:Nugroho2

"The world's most populous Muslim-majority nation"

I do not understand how Western media willingly falls into the trap of Indonesian Muslim fanatics who are behind many violent incidences in Indonesia. I repeatedly sent suggestion to Reuters, Yahoo News, etc, for NOT citing Indonesia as "the world's most populous Muslim-majority country". But all in vain. My last attempt was undone in Wiki.

True data may not be neutral in itself. Every data presented has a connotation. If I meet a black, big, Australian professor, and I write "I meet an Australian professor", I stress his education. The phrase "I meet a black Australian" stresses on his race. Both are correct and true but invokes different line of thinking.

The Indonesian Muslim Fundamentalists always try to include the above phrase in order to gain an upper hand in politics. Is is not true that, in line with western democracy, the majority wins? Sadly, people forget the context of the founding of the Republic of Indonesia. The republic was founded by the efforts of all indigenous people in all regions, all ethnic groups, all religious groups in Indonesia. While non-Muslim groups consisted a minority in numbers, they inhabited a very large area of the Indonesian archipelago. When the founding fathers determined that the republic is based on Pancasila and not Islam, they were not unaware that non-Muslims hold close to one half of the area at that time. It was not pure concession given through the good heart of the founding fathers. The inner side of Kalimantan in Wiki religion map should be yellow at that time.

Just imagine that one day Singapore decides to be a part of Indonesia. The next year, 5 million people come in, stay there, and hold a local referendum, with the result that Singaporean must abide by Muslim Shariah law. Would that not be in line with democracy? The indigenous people would say that is colonialization.

I would say that the founding fathers who were part of the Indonesian minorities, but owned a large part of the Indonesian land, did not think far ahead enough at that time, assuming that conditions would be the same all through the ages.

What should they have done? They should have added that the constitution and the spirit should be maintained forever. Just like the Magna Charta that says "... to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever." If not, then under the pretext of democracy, one day all areas can be "democratically Islamized". My vision is that one day this will eventually come, unless an unforeseen miraculous political change happens in the coming years.

Sukarno and Abdurrahman Wahid They were two presidents in Indonesia who always reminded people that Indonesia was not founded on Islam. In one of his speech, Sukarno more or less said, "Bali is Hindu, Ambon is Christian, Manado is Christian, Kalimantan is Christian, Batak is Christian" (I hope someone would help with the correct reference). He never addressed the Indonesian people by the Islamic greeting "Assalamualaikum" except in the mosque. His greeting in his countless speeches was almost always "Saudara", my brother. But that was history. Now many areas are already Islamized through the "transmigration policy" and natural movements of the people.

Gus Dur (Abdurrahman Wahid) also always reminds the Indonesian people about this historic fact; that Indonesia is not identical with Islam, that Indonesia consists of hundreds of ethnic groups and diverse religions. Sadly his failing health prevents him from pursuing further his brilliant vision. This ex president also discouraged people from using the Islamic greeting "Assalamualaikum" to greet all people, as Indonesia is not identical with Islam. This move was countered by a backlash.

Now the minority ethnic groups only silently renounce the Islamic greeting "Assalamualaikum" and the slow but sure Islamization of all Indonesia regions. Meanwhile, the good, very friendly, but timid Muslim majority is mostly silent for the deeds of the minority Muslim fanatics.
 * The right place to discuss the change you are trying to make is here: Talk:Indonesia, not your own user talk page. (Caniago 19:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC))