User talk:Numinous2002

June 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" is strongly discouraged. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. KelleyCook (talk) 16:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Kelly,

I understand that you are trying to keep only factual information on Wikipedia and that it is not intended to be an advertising or promotional medium.

However I read over the guidelines for Wikipedia and I do not understand what was inappropriate about the links that I had put up. Granted they were from commercial websites, but I have found lots and lots of links on Wikipedia from commercial dotcom-type websites.

Specifically with regard to HDCD, please understand that the only HDCD (High Definition Compatible Digital) encoders ever made were designed (and originally manufactured) by Pacific Microsonics.

There were only two models ever made as follows:

Pacific Microsonics Model One (now discontinued)

and the:

Pacific Microsonics/Euphonix Model Two (also now discontinued)

After Pacific Microsonics was bought by Microsoft for their intellectual property, the manufacturing of the Model Two was subsequently licensed to Euphonix because Pacific Microsonics as an entity ceased to exist. When the parts ran out Euphonix ceased manufacturing the Model Two as some critical parts became unobtainable. However still to this day many of the world's top recording and mastering engineers continue to use both of these converter/encoders and so the HDCD-encoding process is still available on CD's that can still be purchased.

Unfortunately there is a paucity of information available regarding HDCD now because the companies that used to make the encoders no longer make them so many of the web pages and links about these encoders and the HDCD process have ceased to exist. Therefore in order to properly cover the subject of HDCD it would seem important to have links up both for lists of HDCD-encoded recordings as well as links to information about the Model One and Model Two encoders. And that was what I had done. However if there is a better way to do that than what I had done please advise as to how best to do so.

Please understand that my overall goal at the moment is to add information to Wikipedia about recording digital audio--including subjects such as HDCD, DVD-Audio, A-D conversion, sampling rates, etc., etc.--as these are subjects that I know quite a lot about.

Numinous2002 (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * First of all welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy your stay.


 * On your editing, you have made valid contributions and clearly had knowledge. It is also true that you are fairly new to Wikipedia (having your account created this morning).  So I invite you to read WP:External Links.  One key is that the wikipedia community does not want Wikipedia to be a collection of links to other sources.  It strives to be *the* source, with everything added to it from a reputable sources (which it seems the site you have been linking would actually qualify).


 * The next problem that almost all new editors often run into (myself included way back when) is that even though they have personally may have vast knowledge of a particular topic, they can't just use your own knowledge to write the article, as that violates one of the few true rules of Wikipedia -- WP:No original research. Unfortunately, in the article on Digital recording what you added was all good information, but it also was probably original research.  On the other hand, that entire article looked to be unreferenced material (aka original research), so I just tagged the article without reverting your well intentioned and factually correct additions.


 * Finally, although I'm not going (actually, by policy, can't) revert the additions this time (stopping a silly WP:Edit war), but someone else may. It should be noted that no-one is allowed to do the same change to an article 3 times in a 24 hour period, or they can be blocked from editing -- WP:3RR. -- KelleyCook (talk) 17:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Anyhow I hope you continue to editing, enjoy it and learn the ropes. -- KelleyCook (talk) 17:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply.

After reading it and reviewing the links in your reply my question basically is: If you don't wish for someone like me to write an article or edit an article in a field in which they are knowledgable, how are articles written? Certainly you can't have unknowledgable people write them. Alternatively if no one writes anything in an article but information is simply copied from something previously written elsewhere then that would seem to violate intellectual property rights or copyrights of one sort or another.

Also how can I tell whether links that I add are appropriate or not. From looking at the links in articles on topics such as: DVD-Audio, Digital Recording, HDCD, Digital Audio, etc., I can see that there are many "commercial" links--in that many of those websites are either manufacturer websites or have hardware or software for sale.

Until I figure this out I will not write any new articles, but will only edit existing articles for either factual errors or augment them with material that would round them out in an appropriate manner.

Numinous2002 (talk) 18:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia isn't looking for subject experts such as yourself to spill their expertise out in prose. Instead, the encyclopedia is looking for subject experts to find supporting opinions and facts in mainstream media such as magazines and books, followed by the balanced introduction of these mainstream sources into the article. The resulting prose takes the form of what the sources say, not so much what you would tell the reader from your own experience. Take a look at WP:CITE for some pointers on how to cite sources. Binksternet (talk) 14:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)