User talk:Nyctemana55

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March 2016
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Avondale College, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Regards, James(talk/contribs) 18:17, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of South Sea Islands Museum


The article South Sea Islands Museum has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Few to no reliable sources found. Appears to be non-notable small museum on campus of college. Redirect to college page was reverted.

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 * James: In response to the proposal to delete this page due to: Few to no reliable sources found. Appears to be non-notable small museum on campus of college. Redirect to college page was reverted.


 * All the available on-line sources for this page have been referenced.
 * The museum in question is NOT on the Avondale college campus - it is located 2.5km away.
 * It is not a non-notable museum - it is a locally recognised tourist attraction, listed on multiple regional based websites
 * It is not on a private or restricted road, and is open to to the public with several thousand (non-Avondale College) visitors per year.
 * It is the town's (Cooranbong) only museum.
 * it is run by paid staff and volunteers, and it's content and purpose are totally independent of Avondale College.
 * this wiki article is planned to be much expanded with reference to the cultural significance of the Oceanic artefacts it houses.
 * It is a unique, informative and locally notable article.


 * James - your deletion and redirection to Avondale college was bold, presumptive and wrong. I have removed the deletion intention notice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyctemana55 (talk • contribs)


 * You appear to be unfamiliar with the standards Wikipedia uses for inclusion and sourcing. Please review Notability and Identifying reliable sources. Thank you. Regards, James(talk/contribs) 05:23, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of South Sea Islands Museum for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article South Sea Islands Museum is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Regards, James(talk/contribs) 05:20, 31 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Consider Userfy if acceptable to you. There may be other alternatives. In any case, please reply on my talk page. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:57, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

March 2016
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Thank you. Regards, James(talk/contribs) 05:33, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Notice of ANI discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Shared use of account by Nyctemana55. Thank you. Regards, James(talk/contribs) 18:11, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Nyctmana55. At the deletion debate, you refer to this account in the third person as "they" and refer to yourself in plural: "We were aware". That comment implies that more than one person is using the Nyctmana55 account. Please note that Wikipedia accounts should not be shared among more than one person, see WP:NOSHARE. The person who lives 700km away, the intern, and any museum staff must individually register separate accounts if they wish to edit using accounts. Please reply to confirm that you understand this and that this account will only be used by one person in future. Please also ensure that any competing interests and particularly any editing for pay (as part of regular employment or for hire) are declared. Fences  &amp;  Windows  23:27, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello Fences and windows. Yes, I wrote in the third person.  I guess I felt I was being ganged up on, so perhaps it was a subconscious reaction.  I am the only person to have used the Nyctemana55 account. I created it only a few weeks ago I believe.  The curator has their own account - Rose Power - I think.  I have never met this person, or ever talked, or electronically communicated with them in any way.  I am not sure whether the intern has an account - I haven't asked.  I am the only person to have ever made a an edit using Nyvtemana55.  I understand that wiki accounts by definition are individual, not group.  Competing interests:  None.  I know the intern, and responded to her desire to initiate a basic article footprint - more than a stub, but there to be enhanced and finished by her and anyone else that had unique information to share. Editing for pay:  why would anybody consider paying a novice to write a wiki article? No hire or payment arrangement exists.  This has certainly been an entertaining way to learn the five pillars of wiki.  Between yourself and James Allison I have had all desire to be involved in wiki completely quenched.  Like a huge number of internet users, I have valued wiki for many years as a reliable source of information.  This valuation has always triggered a desire to financially support wiki whenever they've asked each year. I imagined it to be a temple of knowledge without bounds or precedent, a virtual encyclopedic library not much more than a decade old which has dwarfed all other current or ancient libraries, yet it's entirety is available to every human at the touch of a keyboard. I had felt excitement at the first tiny steps I took inside it's vast halls - that geeky feeling first felt in the early eighties whilst constructing my first computer with a soldering iron, or writing my first html pages in the early nineties. My first attempt at writing an article stupidly included a tying error in the title (South Seas, rather than South Sea).  Rather fundamental, even for a novice. That draft attempt went further wrong when I tried to correct the title spelling by copying the page content into another article title with the correct spelling - this somehow removed the draft status...  Novice issue again. The article stub was inspected and passed as barely-notable and needing work.  I was uncomfortable with it's published status, so I hurried to comply with fixing its orphan status, by linking it to three websites, two of which were lists (Cooranbong and City of Lake Macquarie) and the third, the nearby and formerly associated Avondale College.  The last was very silly in hindsight, as I had not the right to edit there without proper historical references.  This last edit incurred the righteous wrath of James Allison.  I don't blame him for doing his job efficiently, but wish he could have helped me a little as a novice, rather than treating me as a nasty computer virus.  But all is good now.  I'm unlikely to ever sully the under-halls of the wiki editor's dimension.  The silent footsteps of the softly spoken venerable shepherds of knowledge have revealed themselves by their hobnails. The vision of their dedicated wiki hands, sorting through thousands of random pages, searching for anything unique, anything that without their care and nurturing would fade away forever, has faded for me.  Sharks now cruise through the halls, boys playing a game of pride and revenge; boys who think little of finding a unique tiny new book with a non-notable (to them, by their standards and interpretations) unknown audience, and burning it. Please communicate with Rose Power in future - I have only caused her museum and team grief by my mistakes, for which I am sorry.  Nyctemana55 (talk) 01:08, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry to see the rough ride you have been given. It doesn't excuse the brusque and impersonal way you have been treated, but in the last couple of years, Wikipedia has been literally flooded by paid editors and company employees posting advertorials. There are so many to deal with and so few people trying to cope with it, that some editors become very jaded and automatically see everything through that lens. I'm going to add material about the museum to Cooranbong, New South Wales with references. This doesn't preclude eventually having a stand-alone article about the museum, but it will ensure that the information remains available. If you change your mind about editing again and if you ever need any help or have any questions, just contact me on my talk page. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 10:43, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "Between yourself and James Allison I have had all desire to be involved in wiki completely quenched". Well, that's a shame. Sorry, I didn't mean to make matters worse. I was following up on a report to the admin noticeboard from another editor, and I believe these were issues that needed addressing to clear up their suspicions. Note I never stated I believe the account was shared nor that you were being paid - I did not believe this and I don't think the report to the admin noticeboard was necessary. The other editors could and should have resolved this by discussion with you and not slapping templates all over this talk page - but editors who patrol new pages can get fatigued from all the spam and adverts masquerading as articles, hence the less than optimal response you received. You seem like you have a clue, so I do hope you do decide to stick around on other topics. Starting editing by creating a new article can be a rude introduction to Wikipedia - I edited for years before I created a new article and even then it was speedily deleted before I had a chance to add references! I tried again and it stuck the second time, and I learned from that experience to better bolster my articles before releasing them into the wild. Fences  &amp;  Windows  15:39, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize. I hope you will return and contribute in the future. If you do, Articles for creation may be helpful to you. Regards, James(talk/contribs) 21:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Nyctemana55, Welcome, sincerely, I hope you'll stick around. It can take a while to get your sea legs and, unfortunately, starting a new article is only too likely to get a new editor beaten up. This is a pity since new editors often begin to edit when they notice that a topic they know or care about is not covered on Wikipedia.  As other editors have said above, Wikipedia is a temptation that too many commercial PR agents fail to resist; that problem is real.  However, this was an unusual case in which a small but real museum was somewhat difficult to validate and source.  I think, and hope, that now that the article has been upgraded somewhat, User:James Allison might see his way to extending his apology by reconsidering and perhaps iVoting to keep the article.  But, whether he does or, not, the article is now very likely to be kept and I hope that you will continue to edit.  Australia, Oceania, and the Adventist Church are all topics that could use more good editors.  Do join us.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)