User talk:Nyttend/Archive 11

Delaware County, Ohio
I have a question. Why are you changing my pages? Why are you changing my headings from "Public Safety" to "Public Services"? Everything I listed is verified in real life. The township trustees may not list it but I know its fact. Email me if necessary with an explanation as Wikipedia has done before. FireEMSPolice (talk) 02:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
I'm not sure if this matters or not, but the IP address you've slated for banning due to vandalism of the Belle Plain, Iowa article is from a public access point in a Des Moines, IA hospital. Your message appeared to me as I was reading an unrelated article. - 12.152.199.77 (talk) 20:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Zeros
Find my reply to your inquiry on my talk page. -- droll &#91;chat&#93; 04:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Hopewell
Yes. On the search, the results show W County alone, then the details page shows it first. I suppose a redirect would be a good idea. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

NRHP table-izng
Hey, thanks for your developing the List of RHPs in MT article. I do like co-working like that. It also is nice to have the NRHP database updated, saving creating new rows, n'est-ce pas? But hey, you deleted my research issue note about Lewis and Clark Bridge, in the 2 item county just before Meagher in List of RHPs in MT. That was a bit quick, i think! It was a legitimate note, and after i go back to look for it, I see 3 issues actually:
 * 1) The bridge was missing from the old list for the county, suggesting to me that there could be a question about it being in a different county. As detailed review of the Oregon NRHP sites has just shown to me, NRIS gets it wrong about locations of a lot of places
 * 2) The bridge may well span two counties, or two states. Depending, it would require identifying the duplication and adding a note in the state-wide or nation-wide tally tables.
 * 3) The bridge needs proper disambiguation. I see that you applied disambiguation, in giving the red-link a (State, City) appendage, so you must have seen that Lewis and Clark Bridge links to a different bridge, elsewhere.  However, I think you should further have moved that other bridge article to a suitable name (complicated because it spans 2 states), and opened a disambiguation page.

Anyhow, no big harm done since i had this in mind to come back to, but I would appreciate your letting research notes be for a short time, or moving moving them to the Talk page rather than deleting them, and I would like to know that you are helping to identify disambig page needs. By the way, Sanfranman59 has been opening new disambiguation pages regularly now, and tagging them with NRHP dab needing cleanup for me to come by and fix up further. doncram (talk) 18:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I see that you had added description notes in both counties, which would have reminded us to note the duplication. Don't mean to be heavy here.  By the way, the disambiguation now done was a tad complicated... i ended up finding 2 other Lewis and Clark Bridges to support the use of the dab page, and used AWB to update 20-30 links, so my taking away the primary use assigned to one bridge will go over okay i hope. doncram (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for ur note. It's good to get some feedback back;  i have been feeling really out of touch with some situations, having a bad day.  Yes, understood about it being uncomfortable to have research notes in the article;  they're definitely not correct to leave in.  I feel a strong temporary need to have the old lists there in the article, not hidden in commnents, though.  If in comments, you cannot see whether they link successfully to any article;  i find it efficient to address the bluelinks in table and below first, then redlinks, and it is useful to know all the remaining ones are redlinks (e.g. so you can delete an alternate dabbing name like "First Presbyterian Church (State)" without further ado, when you already have "First Presbyterian Church (City, State)" in the table).  It should just be temporary.  I find it useful to note research notes as i go through a county, perhaps in more than one pass, but I will make it a point to remove any remaining research note items when i otherwise finish processing the old list in a county.  (In this 2 listing county, then, i should have put the research note into the Talk page right away.)  I could just table one county at a time, but it seemed more efficient to table a bunch at once, causing the multi- old lists situation for a while.  About the disambiguation, it would be fine by me if you could just let me know, to my talk page or any way you like, that some dab creation is needed if you notice it.  Yes, this bridge one was complicated;  i also thot that maybe the existing one should be left as a primary use, not moved to a dab page, and I didn't know how to come up for a name for it given that just one (City, State) would not work, until settling on use of (Columbia River). doncram (talk) 02:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * RE "it's not a problem for me, as I would simply remove the comments and then preview", i don't get how you can tell whether the old list names were better linked already than the new ones that came in the table; i check what all bluelinks link to above and below.  You can't do that in Notepad before posting AFAIK.  Again, different M.O. i guess.  About changing the postal abbreviations for the state name to the actual name, I have actually never understood what is preferred.  Elkman table-generator used to include spelled out states, then switched to 2 letter codes.  I then thot i was supposed to create redirects from "Town, ST" to "Town, State", for at least the bluelink ones to show blue everywhere possible, leaving "ST" abbreviation in.  Don't know if should convert ST to State, everywhere or not.  I do tend to convert any redlink ones, meaning if below i see that "Town, State" is a red-link i do convert the table's "Town, ST" to "Town, State".  Never have discussed this. doncram (talk) 02:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You mention "I too look at them 'above and below'; I simply don't post the 'above' until after merging it with the 'below'." I should say of course i understand you are going through these carefully.  But, from what you say, I think you might not be performing one task that I do, which is to check all the bluelinks in the "above", in the new NRIS tables as they come in.  If it is not pasted in, you cannot see which of the NRIS-given names are bluelinks, and go and check them.  I do go to all of them, sometimes finding a dab page which properly describes the current item (e.g. a bridge in MT) and sometimes finding an article in Massachusetts or wherever which should be moved and replaced by a dab page to cover it and the MT one and perhaps more.  If I or Sanfranman find such a case, we start the needed dab.  Sanfranman59, like you, is not so interestd in dabs per se, and he usually adds the  tag for me to come and develop it further and to make it bulletproof from dab-deleters out there.  I'd like for you to either do the same, or simply let me know another way that there is a dab needed.
 * But it is not that important, it is okay by me if ur process doesn't generate this info. By others doing it on other state pages, we catch most of the cases where dabs are needed anyhow (at least of those with involving more than one NRHP listing in more than one state).  I'd personally rather that u got more states done while the list-table generator is functioning well, than for u to get bogged down in this.  I think this should explain to you why i choose to work the way i do, though. doncram (talk) 16:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also you mention "You can see that the 'finished' original versions of the Utah and Idaho lists include pictures where possible; it was by going through all bluelinked articles in the original list (and all bluelinked communities) that I obtained these pictures." Ah, I have wondered how you got all the pics you do.  I have been adding pics from the articles, but not going to the town articles also....  Thanks, doncram (talk) 16:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been somewhat aware of your adding pics to Alaska NRHPs, since i have a lot of its individual articles and list-articles on my Watchlist. What you've done adding pics to Alaska and to Idaho is awesome.  It seriously makes me proud to be a wikipedian!  :)
 * Also, thanks for the note about Robbers Roost and the Virginia City HD. To make it easy for you to report others you come across, i added shortcuts and created a section for such reports, at wp:NRHP dab issues or wp:NRHPdab, and noted those two.  The section is near the top.  You can just add very cryptic notes there to inform me, even shorter than the similar notes we've been leaving at wp:NRIS info issues.  I will get around to setting up proper disambiguation for those two on the list sometime soon.  Thanks! doncram (talk) 00:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You can just leave any note on my Talk page, u don't have to remember the wp:NRHPdab name. doncram (talk) 04:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) Also, I notice you've been splitting out more Montana counties, perhaps all having more than 10 listings. I think that having smaller counties on the main state-wide page is good for readers, who can browse and see what pics are there, etc., and it increases the likelihood that readers will click and go see the bigger counties' lists, too. I think that having separate pages for one-listing counties in Idaho is a bit unfortunate, as few will click and go see them. And, the Google map link is pretty un-interesting in very small counties, not worth clicking on. I guess that's it, i think its better for browsing to have more together. So, i wonder how far u are planning to go with the MT ones. I do like your adding the county maps, but how about adding them, perhaps a bit smaller, to the county sections for each of the smaller counties in the main state-list? doncram (talk) 04:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, got ur reply about that.
 * Noted your edit summary about an IOOF Hall, and you were right there needed to be a redirect to the main Odd Fellows dab. I added the MT one and others of that name to the dab, which had IOOF Building and many other variations but not IOOF Hall.
 * Also, when u have time, i'm done with the diambiging upfront stuff for National Register of Historic Places listings in Georgia, counties A-B, and it's ready for what more u can do with it. Cheers, doncram (talk) 16:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Folkert Mound Group
Nyttend- can you help me with the NRHP table for Folkert Mound Group? You seem to have a knack for fixing them, or at least knowing what goes in them.... Thanks, Bill Whittaker (talk) 19:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Grahn, Kentucky
Hi, I wanted to thank you for your edits to the article I just created. I had no idea where to find coordinates and such, and I'm glad you took some time to add to the article. I noticed your name on the "what links here" and thought I recognized it...you fixed a rather bone-headed edit I made to Valentine, Nebraska a few weeks back when I mentioned the Bryan Bridge and then moved something out of the trivia section to the wrong place. So double thanks. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 03:27, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Crawfordsville, Iowa
Hey buddy, again, have you BEEN to Crawfordsville, Iowa? I know the answer, and so do you. Find someone else to obsess over, or you will have a civil complaint filed. JohnLease (talk)

ND delistings
I really don't think there is a reason for recording delisting, other than that the site is usually still important despite being removed from the list. The information was already mostly there from being previously tableized and this week's weekly update noted that they were removed. Now that I look at it, I think the delisting in Traill County are directly related to the Red River flood as the county borders the river. I'm going look and see if these structures are mentioned in any newspapers (it would be nice to add it to the description if the flood was cause of their destruction). The delisted bridge in Bismarck in Burleigh County crosses the Missouri River. Did the Missouri also flood? My curiosity's been piqued, I'm going to try and find out why they were delisted. -- D.B. talk • contribs 02:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * An update on one of the bridges: Blanchard Bridge was picked up and moved by a company from Wisconsin in August 2007. -- D.B. talk • contribs 17:34, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Liberty Memorial Bridge is Burleigh County was demolished in October 2008, quite spectacularly too. -- D.B. talk • contribs 20:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Lonetree, Montana
My pleasure - it's one of my favorite stub tags, for some reason. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Concord Township, Lake County, Ohio
I think I see the confusion. I'm going to revert to my version again, then immediately fix the linkrot. After that, everything should be OK. Mapsax (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Scott County
They are census data shown in the paper.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 05:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, the census did estimates for all counties census estimates Check www.census.gov  C T J F 8 3 Talk 05:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I cited all from the paper, before I saw the census site, and currently too lazy to change the source  C T J F 8 3 Talk 05:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Already started, lol. Is there a bot that will go through and do all counties or something?  C T J F 8 3 Talk 05:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link to cities, their pages only have 2007 now  C T J F 8 3 Talk 05:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you, i'm just gonna do a few cities, far too much work for all.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 05:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, i'm blowing your talk up, but that link only has up till 2007.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 05:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also can you find the Illinois ones for me, I changed a few of those too.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 05:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have any idea why this page says Scott County has 179 historic places, but National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Scott_County,_Iowa has 281. Which is right? I'll double check that my Marycrest picture is in the right block.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 15:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Findlay Pictures
Actually, I live in Findlay... and I just spent the rest of the afternoon taking more pictures. They'll be posted up shortly. -- PEPSI2786 talk 00:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * All the pics I took today are now up at the National Register of Historic Places listings in Hancock County, Ohio page. I wish I'd had time to get over to Adams School and get a better pic of it, but as you can tell it was getting a bit dark toward the end and I just ran out of time. Hope you like them. -- PEPSI2786 talk 01:18, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm planning to. I'm sure I'll get it done one of these days. :) -- PEPSI2786 talk 01:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip on Wikimedia Commons and about the intros on my sandbox work. I appreciate the help. -- PEPSI2786 talk 22:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Put-in-Bay external links
Hi. I believe we've spent enough time discussing and reverting Put-in-Bay and South Bass Island that we can add this new Ohio-Put-in-Bay website to the spam blacklist. It will be in good company when it joins the other half-dozen Put-in-Bay sites on the list. Can I leave you to manage this? I imagine it would be easier for you with admin powers. :-) --NormanEinstein (talk) 18:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Opinion sought
Hi Nyttend, would you mind looking at a new article: East Kittanning, Pennsylvania. I WP:PRODed it, but the main editor took the tag off. I was wondering about taking it to AfD, but thought I would ask you first what you thought. It does not have a zip code, and has very few Google hits, and no refs. It exists and is shown on the USGS topo map for the quadrant, but I think a mention on the Kittanning page would be sufficient. WHat do you think? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I will redirect it - thanks so much. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Block of allstarecho
A courtesy notice, in case you have not followed it - your block of User:Allstarecho and the events that lead up to it, along with some wider issues to which it relates, are being discussed on Allstarecho's talk page and at WP:AN/I. I'm not offering an opinion here, just letting you know. Best, Wikidemon (talk) 04:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Please unblock ASAP. Problem POV pushing accounts anonymously using Wiki resources to taunt and harass an editor will not be tolerated. Reporting it should not result in a block. Thanks, R. Baley (talk) 04:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I second the request to unblock AllStarEcho. ASE suffered off-wiki harassment and is understandably upset about it. I do not think a person should be blocked for trying to do the right thing, particularly since this matter is currently being discussed at WP:ANI and the user is unable to comment. Please consider unblocking. -- Scjessey (talk) 04:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Nathalie, Virginia
Hello, Nyttend. I've been trying to shepherd the Nathalie VA article into existence, and, so, paid careful attention to your recent edit. You are clearly more knowledgeable than I about the intricacies of editing this sort of article. I hope you don't mind if I ask a couple of questions.

I have no problem with calling it an "unincorporated community", but I am puzzled that you deleted the locational information from the infobox, since such material is occasionally of use, and since I believe it to be correct. Also, you indicate "you can't state a specific population for a community other than CDP or municipality", and have removed information relating to the community's population. No, this is not census data, and it thus is less than perfectly precise, which is why is was phrased "is about 5,500" (with a specific ref provided for that statement). (Plus, I don't even know what a CDP is!)

I would appreciate learning a little more on these issues. Thanks. Tim Ross  (talk)  10:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That was really helpful, Nyttend. Much appreciated. (And, yes, I'm reasonably familiar with that part of Virginia.) Tim Ross   (talk)  13:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Your request at Image workshop: Removing a scratch
Dear Nyttend, Please check your request at Image Workshop, if it is done to your satisfaction please mark it with, or add comment for more retouchs if needed, Thank you.  ■ MMXX  talk  14:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

About the Union County courthouse
Thank you Nyttend. I took the photo when I went to Marysville, Ohio two years ago on a schoolar exchange and I loved it. The other day I was glancing at the Union County article and I saw that there was no flag and no photo of the courhouse, so I decided to upload my own ones. I also have improved the Marysville High School (Ohio) article by adding the box in the right and uploading the School seal. M.Jovellanos (talk) 17:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Dewey Marsh and Buena Vista Marsh, Wisconsin
Would you please take a look at the Dewey Marsh, Wisconsin and Buena Vista Marsh, Wisconsin articles. I have some qualms that they are not unincorporated communities but may rather be some state wildlife refuges in Portage County, Wisconsin. The editor creating the articles means well-good faith edits.Thank you-RFD (talk) 18:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I will take care of the 2 pages.Would you please let the editor doing the articles know? The editor put 2 more state wildlife nature refuges in the unincorporated area section of the Portage County, Wisconsin article that I removed.Thanks-RFD (talk) 20:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I took care of the 2 pages.Fortunately, the editor used footnotes so there was no problems changing them to citations after minor rewording.Also I removed the Portage County, Wisconsin template.I also removed the map in 2 articles-Many thanks-RFD (talk) 20:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

There is a state nature section in the Portage County section I put the 2 marshes in there.Thanks-RFD (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nyttend! Sorry about the misunderstanding... I guess us locals here kinda consider those areas our homes and "community"... like if someone I never met before asked me where I lived, I would first tell them "Stevens Point" because that's a larger city in the scale of central and northern Wisconsin. Pretty much everybody in Wisconsin can identify with where Stevens Point is. Then, if they ask "oh, well, where in Point?" I would say by the Dewey Marsh there. If they don't know where the Dewey Marsh is, they would probably not ask any more questions. If they knew the area, they would ask, "You by Point Log Homes?" or "Disher's Rangeline Bar?" or "In the Hay Meadow subdivision?" I could tell them that I do live there, and pin-point where better in the community.

I guess its like if you lived on a place called "Bunker Hill." If you had a cemetery, church, several subdivisions, and a fire department, could it still be classified as a "hill" and not a "community"? I guess the information in in the eye of the beholder: I know its probably my fault for not putting a lot of information on the wiki to start with but I wanted to get them started with good information that's already available on the net (and sometimes does not come up on the Google or other search engines at least for me). Dewey Marsh has all of that, plus a campground called "Crocker's Landing" along the stretch of the Wisconsin River which was a landing point for riverboats in the days before the Wisconsin River was dammed. For some of these places, its just information passed down from our fathers and grandfathers, some who never learned to read or write. Take me for example, I have pictures I would like to eventually upload to the pages, but for the life of me I can't get them to work (I need to get a digital camera or figure out my scanner better)! I am also trying to put the information on the wiki in what I believe is the correct wiki style on the pages, but I still get quite a few errors returned (its taking me a while to work through them...). Maybe you can continue to help edit and give me pointers after I put the information on the wiki?

Thanks, Yogi Yogi54481 (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Old South Meeting House
If you are going to remove a photo due to lack of license, you should at least make sure the photo you are providing is correct. The Old South Church is not the same as the Old South Meeting House.--Marcbela (talk) 20:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Legionville
I kind of like the field better, because it shows the overall site. The photo of the monument is good, but there's a bit of a glare from the sun. Try to make sure that you're not looking right at the sun when taking a photo. Mvincec (talk) 05:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Space Shuttle at Wright-Patt
I agree with you, it is not confirmed, but the National Museum of the United States Air Force is currently making plans to construct an addition capable of holding one of the orbiters, probably Atlantis, after the retirement of the fleet. (They are interested in Atlantis because it flew several military missions for the USAF.) Needless to say, this will have no place in wikipedia until the plans become more firm between the Air Force and NASA. All of the orbiters will become museum pieces in a few years, and the NMUSAF is probably the second most preeminent Air/Space museum in the nation after the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. When this becomes a fact, it will belong in the NMUSAF article, not the WPAFB article. --rogerd (talk) 17:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Derby, but no Snyder
What is up? I grew up in Snyder. My family owned a home there from 1975-2004.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I found a new hook.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am having fun with Snyder, New York. I took pictures today.  Included on the page is the location I was at when Bucky Dent homered, a house from my Buffalo News paper route, and other trivially related locations to my life history.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * FA reviewers get uptight about how fast pages load. It is not a concern at GA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I know my property is within a Mile of the place that Teddy Roosevelt was inaugurated after McKinley was shot. I will have to look at the list. I should be able to get a few.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I see the TR inaug site already has pics. I just discovered an NRHP on my old paper route (Entranceways at Main Street at Lamarck Drive and Smallwood Drive).  I will surely have to head back out to Snyder to get these.  I will get some others also.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

NRHP Webster Co. Iowa
Nyttend: I have uploaded three NRHP images. Care to make articles?:

It will be a long time before I can do it. Thanks! Bill Whittaker (talk) 15:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm back, and I blocked out what I could. Thanks for the fine Webster County Courthouse article! Bill Whittaker (talk) 13:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "Blocked out", to rough-out something complex with simple blocks (such as a crude WP page); in hindsight, I can see why that might be confuesed with "block out", to repress or intentionally ignore. Bill Whittaker (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for hepling me clean up my article.Burningview (talk) 15:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

standard city format
You reverted my edits to Union City, Montana with the edit summary Restore to standard format which I take it means per WP:CITIES. I was attracted to the article because it makes use of the deprecated template coor dms. It also had the coordinate raw data in the article a total of four times, which displayed as five instances! That's extreme overkill, and contrary to any kind of rational presentation of a settlement per WP:UNDUE, and the spirit of WP:NOT. Is WP:CITIES the "standard format"? —EncMstr (talk) 23:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Goodrich, North Dakota
I don't know the exact reason, but the nomination form said it was deteriorating rapidly from weather and vandals, and that was in 1979. Maybe the deterioration finally caught up with it and it was decided it was no longer worth preserving. I wonder if their is a way to find out the reason from the NPS? -- D.B. talk • contribs 00:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

reply for you
i replied with link for you about the Merrill Lock No. 6 document. :) You might miss it if you didn't know to check, there's been a lot of activity at my Talk page. doncram (talk) 06:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

PA nrhp names
I responded and posed a question about Roughwood for you, at wp:NRHPdab. I wonder if there is some confusion from a possible preference by you or others to township names rather than the NRIS-provided places, for some PA places, as there's mention of a township which is not the NRIS-provided placename that i just put into the dab.

Relatedly, i recently noticed when fixing up Townsend House disambiguation that there was a redlink for a "Townsend House (some township, Pennsylvania)" that didn't exactly correspond to what the WhoHas and Disambig page generator tools were providing, which was only for a PA place in Pughtown. I started Townsend House (Pughtown, Pennsylvania) and asserted, without checking, that Pughtown is near or within whatever that township name was, and I set up a redirect from the township name to it (redirect is: Townsend House (South Coventry Township, Pennsylvania)). Pughtown, Pennsylvania is currently a redlink though.

Could you possibly please check on and fix that situation, clarifying if Pughtown is near that township and perhaps including creating a Pughtown location stub?

But, I wonder if you or others want to use township names in titles for PA places. I guess it would be okay to have an exception that way, if desirable. But I think it should be managed centrally somehow including listing them as considered discrepancies vs. NRHP naming convention elsewhere, and allowing for continuing fixup/maintenance of all articles, list-articles, disambiguation pages. And ensuring redirects are set up from the more standard NRHP-based names. Or maybe this is just two instances, and solved by using the NRHP names like Pughtown? doncram (talk) 20:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * (Followup to doncram talkpage, copied here):
 * Hi, I saw your comment on Nytend's talk page about the above. I changed a couple of Chester County names today to reflect the post office name rather than the township name. Many of these appear to be in township MPSs which is fine but I think a PO name is preferable. One had several local places listed but I went with the one the church itself uses {Wayne, PA]) Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 20:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Hmm, well, can we just keep a list within the wp:NRHPdab page?  I am basically happy to go along with others' preferences for these names, but I think it will prove helpful for future maintenance if we keep track of these.  Listing the new names together with the NRIS-based default type name is foremost, and then I would want to ensure there is a redirect from the default type NRHP name, and that they appear as intended in NRHP article, NRHP list-article, and disambiguation pages.  Actually maybe the list-articles will not have much issue, they don't display the (City, State) disambig, and it won't matter much if they pipelink to the new name or to the default name that redirects to new name.  What disambiguation pages might be involved might not be obvious, often, though.  Those cleanups or checks can be done later, and will perhaps have to be redone again much later.  So I'll open a section at WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Disambiguation (shortcut wp:NRHPexceptions) to record these.  Clario, could you please list your changes there now while they are fresh?  doncram (talk) 21:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I really don't want to create extra bureaucracy. Maybe there won't be issues with these.  Could we just list at wp:NRHPexceptions and discuss these relatively few ones, then maybe conclude there are no ongoing problems created by not tracking these. doncram (talk) 22:21, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Kansas townships
Hi, and sorry for the slow response, I've been on semi-hiatus for the past few weeks. That's great about the township photos. I definitely intend to continue with the rest of the articles for Kansas and, hopefully sooner rather than later, I'll get the state completed. Huwmanbeing &#9728;  &#9733;  01:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Bank of Cairo
I was thinking about this one: Banque du Caire - the page "Bank of cairo" redirects to it. If the West Virginia place ever got an article, it would need disambiguation. Robina Fox (talk) 14:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

New Knoxville
Nice solution. You are allowed to cite "works made in official interest that have been made public for general knowledge/information purposes" of German official sources with some caution. You have however to mention the (official) source it came from. In this case I think most officials from Ladbergen would actually be delighted to have their village somehow mentioned in the New Knoxville EN Wikipedia article. The German DE Wikipedia article on New Knoxville actually also mentions Ladbergen.--Francis Flinch (talk) 14:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

undo on new section in article Clancy, MT
Nyttend,

I just added a new section to the article on Clancy, MT this morning. I lived there for a few years (loved it -- great place). From your undo comment, it appears that I broke a rule (I'm new at this) about original research that isn't documented. I just based what I wrote on personal knowledge and observation. I thought it might add a little depth to the article.

I was going to go back and add a new section on the history of Clancy, particularly the silver mine opened by "Judge" Clancy in the late 1860s (later closed, re-opened in 1905, re-closed a few years later) and the two narrow-gauge railroads that carried gold and silver ore along the valley from mines in and near Helena Valley, past the Alhambra Mine in Clancy, over the Elkhorn Pass and south into Boulder, MT, where the ore was transported by regular rail to smelters in San Francisco. The problem is that I don't have access to any sources here in the wilds of northwest Indiana. So, does that mean that I can't add a history section either?

Sorry if I broke a rule. I didn't mean to cause any damage to the encyclopedia. Any guidance you could give to a newbie would be appreciated. I like the work you've done with the city/town/village articles you've created.

Thanks for your help.

Yamamoto333 Yamamoto333 (talk) 16:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Mesopotamia, Ohio
Found a source that should satisfactorily verify what I undid, that you redid. Actually there are several ways to verify the data. The only problem is that I have absolutely no idea how to insert a reference, without violating the hyperlink rule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsly4425 (talk • contribs) 03:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Chronology of Star Wars
After seeing your comments at Articles for deletion/Chronology of the Harry Potter series, I was wondering if you were interested in joining the deletion discussion for Chronology of Star Wars, an article which has been nominated for the same reasons. Thanks, Dalejenkins | 07:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC).

Deletion
A db-empty is a db-empty. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes indeed its was! I don't mind people discussing it but I thought I was helping out my marking it rather than just leaving it orphaned. Regdards. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Graboid video
Graboid video was deleted and stated that the post was focused on the website, Although the point was to give information about the program not the company or the website. It is a program like LimeWire and I belive it was falsely deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knuckl3s0 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The Prairie du Chien School District
One of the editors suggested merging the Prairie du Chien School District article with that of the city.I left a comment at the editor's talk page and at the article's talk page.Thanks-RFD (talk) 18:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Butte County, California
Do you consider Native American villages for which no remains are found and settlements inundated by reservoirs to be ghost towns? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I, too, wish that we had more info for each of these easily at hand. A few of these have already been expanded. Sometimes, you just need to get things started - anon's can then edit - casual observers from near these places looking them up and adding what they can, from local newspapers or from books that may have only local interest and never find their way online or in major libraries. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 15:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Templates in categories
Actually categories are basically for articles. There is a separate set of categories for navigation templates. Vegaswikian (talk) 04:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, my source is Categorization. If you wish to discuss, you can voice your opinion in this discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Red Oak, Iowa
I have NO vested interest in the subject, but to say the lady that invented Jazzercise is not a notable person is ludicrous. There are much less notable people listed in similar ways all over wikipedia, so I'm not sure why you have such an issue with this listing. --97.119.10.17 (talk) 17:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Walden, VT
Please explain why my reference is not appropriate. The USPS ZIP database tells you to use West Danville, instead. -- Riotrocket8676  You gotta problem with that? 18:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

PS:Here is the ZIP lookup: http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/citytown.jsp Look up Walden, and you get no ZIP code. and what Post Offices? -- Riotrocket8676  You gotta problem with that? 18:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, Perfect! That is just what I was looking for. Thanks! -- Riotrocket8676  You gotta problem with that? 18:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment page, and edits to wikipages where you arbitrarily remove data you don't agree with
If a person wishes to remove their own comment, they should be allowed to. Which is what the original poster of that comment wished to do. Most people would show enough common decency to respect that request. Having read through your talk contributions, I am forced to conclude this is an area in which you seem to be lacking (respect for opinions that differ from your own). Perhaps Wikipedia should reconsider your administrator status, since you seem to act like you are on a constant powertrip, rather than as a rational administrator. 174.130.237.127 (talk) 03:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not a matter of decency; it's a matter of the principle of preserving the historical record. Remember: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it." Once the comment was submitted, the original poster by definition granted a license to use that posting forever. Deal with it. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  03:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sometimes it isn't a matter of profit restribution or merciless editing, sometimes it is just a matter of principle, or trying to reason with an abusive administrator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.237.127 (talk) 03:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Maquoketa -- Steads should be added as Notable Natives
My appologies in advance if I am submitting this to the wrong place or in the wrong way. (My attempt to enter the Steads names onto the Maquoketa page was my first attempt at making additions to Wikipedia -- one of the finest resources on the Web! This is my first attempt at explaining my entry with the hopes of not having to re-enter it again.)

First off, let me thank you (Nyttend(?) hope that is right) for your efforts to raise the quality of the entries in Wikipedia. I'm sure your intentions are honorable.

Let me state for the record that I am a native of Maquoketa myself -- born and raised there in a home not far from the Bob and Ann Osterhaus family. (Too bad about Luke. I fully expect Mark to be the first pope from Maquoketa ;) )  I fully agree with the inclusion of all the other "Notable natives" -- including Bob Osterhaus.  Further, I am not related to the Steads nor am I one of Jerre Stead's approximately 3,800 employees at IHS. ( http://www.ihs.com/About-IHS/   http://www.ihs.com/About-IHS/executive-team.htm)  If you would like to know more about me, pls write me at mguy42@live.com.  If you would like to talk about this (including my giving you my full name and other information), pls send me your phone number (to that address) and I will be glad to call you.

My impression is you do not think the Steads merit entry into the Maquoketa "Notable Natives." I can only assume the reason is you do not know of their contributions and/or their exceptional stories. I do not think I am qualified to write their bios, but in short, anyone from Maquoketa (or anywhere else for that matter) that personally has given _$25 Million_ to the University of Iowa ( http://www.aacsb.edu/publications/enewsline/Vol-2/Issue-5/grants-uofiowa.asp ) deserves entry on the list, if for no other reason that that alone! "The Stead gift is among the largest ever received by the UI business school..." (OBTW -- the money was used, among other things, to support "The Kloppenburg-Stead Speaker Series" (Does the Maquoketa name "Kloppenburg" ring a bell?)  OBTW2 -- I just now ran across this ... they gave _$3.1 Million_ to Coe College. ( http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20080505&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=551528707&SectionCat=rss01&Template=printart )  As you can see in the write up it states they are "originally from Maquoketa."  (While I know the Steads have made generous financial and other contributions to Maquoketa, the Maquoketa PR systems are not as good at publicizing contributions as are the institutes of higher learning like U of I and Coe. I therefore can not quote you any precise contributions the Steads have made to Maquoketa at this time.)

As if that was not enough, Mary Joy was the annual winner if the "Distinguished Friend of University (of Iowa)Award" in 2004. ( http://www.public-health.uiowa.edu/newsletter/rd.asp?rlsId=519 ) ("The couple has generously supported various organizations, but Mary Joy is being recognized for her many efforts on behalf of the university. A member of the UI Foundation Board of Directors, Mary Joy recently served with distinction and passion as vice chair of the national steering committee for the Foundation campaign that raised _$1 billion_ (my underscore) for the UI.")

Also, Mary Joy has been elected to the University of Iowa Foundation Board of Directors (and before her, Jerre) has (http://www.uifoundation.org/news/1999/dec05.shtml

Re: my inclusion of Jerre Stead... along with his admirable financial contributions ... any of his many professional successes merit his inclusion on the "Notable natives" list, including being the leader (CEO / President/ ...) of companies like Square D, Honeywell, AT&T and currently CEO of IHS. I know of no other Maquoketian that has ever been interviewed as much on national television as Jerre (e.g., a couple weeks ago on CNBC http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1070399430&play=1 )

Again, as if all of the above were not enough, pls check out Jerre's contributions via writing. He has authored or co-authored several books, including "Soaring with the Phoenix: Renewing the Vision, Reviving the Spirit, and Re-Creating the Success of Your Company" (pls see Amazon.com for at least a partial list -- http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Jerre+Stead_ )

Based on all the above, I am again going to re-insert the Steads names onto the Maquoketa "Notable natives" section. I sincerely hope some qualified person writes the Steads' bios for Wikipedia.

Again, if you have any questions or concerns or would like to discuss this directly, pls write me at [email address removed for spam's sake] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maquoketaguy42 (talk • contribs) 12:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

St. Mary's Church and Pharmacy Image
Dear Nyttend, the St. Mary's Church and Pharmacy Image didn't get featured becuase it only gained, just wanted to let you know as I promised.  ■ MMXX  talk  06:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Minnesota Point
There is a discusssion about merging the Minnesota Point article with the Park Point (Minnesota) article. I thought Minnesota Point was a distinct geography feature which the government uses and shows up on maps. Thanks-RFD (talk) 10:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the map-Minnesota Point was the name given I wanted to know what you thought-Thanks-RFD (talk) 14:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

West Virginia Capitol Complex
I see you reverted the links on National Register of Historic Places listings in Kanawha County, West Virginia to the two parts of the West Virginia Capitol Complex, namely the West Virginia State Capitol and West Virginia Governor's Mansion. Would you agree that, instead of including the two links under the Landmark Name column, that a new page should be created solely for the West Virginia Capitol Complex, that in turn links to the two component pages? Please advise.--Pubdog (talk) 15:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Stub sorting
It has indeed reached an all-time low...Waacstats and Blofeld, and a few others, are still working away, but many areas of the project are grinding to a halt. Maybe we should try to rally the less-active folks and get more hands on deck? Maybe a task-force approach? Pegship (talk) 18:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Essex Junction, Vermont
With respect to Jon Fishman, I was trying to make it clear that he does not live in the Village of Essex Junction, Vermont but rather in the town of Essex, Vermont. Since the shared post office was originally located in the village, all mailing addresses for both communities use "Essex Junction", but that does not make him a resident of the village.

That would imply he should just be removed, but I can guaranty he will just get readded by other editors unaware of the distinction. Furthermore, some mention should probably still be in the Junction article since that is where most would look based on the connections between the two communities. —MJBurrage(T•C) 00:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Will you give me a chance to change your mind?
About this change, will you please take a look at this essay and then let me know whether you still believe that navboxes aren't supposed to have headings? (And, if so, why.) Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 02:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Having read your section — the point of a navbox is not to add more content, but rather to help the reader navigate. The reader need not click a section header to get there: unless there's wrong placement (in which case a header wouldn't help anyway), they're always at the bottom.  Moreover, "External links" is supposed to be at the bottom.  Nyttend (talk) 04:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for responding. I certainly agree with you regarding the purpose of navboxes. I also agree that a reader can go to the bottom of an article and, if the article has navboxes, find them there.
 * So what does the "Related information" heading add? Two things: First, not all articles have navboxes and using the heading tells the reader in the table of contents that an article has one or more navboxes (saving the reader from having to go to the bottom of the article to find out). Second, if the reader is interested in the help that navboxes provide, the reader can then click on the table of contents rather than having to scroll down to the bottom of the page (or clicking on External links and then scrolling down).
 * And what is the downside of such a heading? Only that it adds one more item to a table of contents. I respectfully suggest that this is a small price to pay for the benefits I have outlined.
 * This brings us to WikiProject Cities/Guideline. That guide does not metion navboxes at all (nuch less whether a heading is permitted). So if silence is meant to be a prohibition then it would appear that city articles should have no navboxes whatsoever. Perhaps this guideline should be modified to harmonize with wp:layout, which specifically dicusses navboxes and allows for (but does not require) headings. If you agree then I would be willing to raise that issue on the city guide talk page. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 12:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Additional note: conformance with WP:LAYOUT is a bit of a Catch-22. The layout guideline describes current practice, so unless current practice changes, the layout guideline will never change. But if current practice is always and only based on the layout guideline, then current practice will never change. I suggest that leads to a static situation, whereas in fact we are all meant to think freely, ignore rules, discuss individual situations on their own merits - and thereby make progress.
 * The big conundrum is that if External links are supposed to go at the bottom of the article, then navboxes can't go beneath them, since they aren't external links, they are internal links. For that matter, the category list shouldn't be below External links either!
 * WP:LAYOUT does in fact mandate that the various informational templates should go at the bottom of the article, and the MediaWiki software dictates that the category links will be there. WP:LAYOUT is silent on whether or not there should be an additional section header to distinguish the various "afterthought" links at the bottom from the External links section. We're trying to work out a solution for this anomaly, which I rather suspect is due to people just running out of steam in perfecting the WP:LAYOUT guideline. Franamax (talk) 23:16, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

La Paz, County
Hi. I have added a page reference, but this is a difficult cite, since the material is not organized by county and there is data on La Paz County spread throughout the book. Cheers. Cecole (talk) 16:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Warren's Gore, Vermont
Aw, but that map is butt-ugly! :-) Tim Pierce (talk) 02:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

PhotoCatBot bug report
Just to let you know that I did, finally, track down the bug that made PhotoCat sometimes revisit an article it had already modified. It was hard to identify because it only affects articles with mixed-capitalization titles. I've taken the bot offline until I can file an appropriate bug report and write a workaround. Thanks for your feedback and your patience. Tim Pierce (talk) 18:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the good wishes
Thank you for the good wishes, Nyttend. I also think it would be wonderful if we never again encounter the situation you mentioned. I look forward to continuing to see you around in articles about obscure corners of the United States. --Orlady (talk) 00:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Category
I see you added Loudonville article to a new category but that category is a redlink, are you planning on creating that category or was it a misspelling somewhere? I've made categories before and would like to help if you need help creating it.Camelbinky (talk) 04:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh surely there must be plenty in the entire state for a category of its own. Once enough are identified we can create a category for the ones in NY. You may want to check Latham, in the town of Colonie, Albany County; that's the only one off the top of my head that may have been a CDP but isnt right now.Camelbinky (talk) 05:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Had to laugh
I see your watchlist must also be lighting up lately with the removal of a certain category. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I would be fine with the Township name change though it would have to be run by Wikiproject Pennsylvania first - things are pretty moribund there lately, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

commas
The comma in question is not an extra one; it's a required one, one required under the rules of punctuation.

The Wikipedia article on commas correctly says that most stylebooks, including those of both the AP and the University of Chicago, recommend that, in a reference to a city and its state, the second element (the state) be treated as a parenthetical one, requiring a second comma after the second element (the state) in addition to the first comma after the first element (the city), thus: "The group arrived in Beaverdam, Ohio, that evening", or "the Lima, Ohio, MSA".

The stylebook of the MLA also agrees, as do many other indisputable authorities.

Government workers rarely are authorities in areas outside their own specialties (and sometimes not even in their own areas).

More particularly, employees of the US Census Bureau are not authorities on puncuation, syntax, or elsewhere in grammar.

If you strictly or literally followed your own advice, you would insist on writing "Lima, OH metropolitan statistical area", not only omitting the second comma but also using one of those abominable two-upper-case-letter abbreviations, of which bureaucrats are so fond.

I learned about the second comma (in a city and a state), along with the desirability and necessity of it, long before I left elementary school.

In all my years in journalism and communication, which started in 1953, 56 years ago, nobody else – nobody other than you – has ever seriously questioned that principle or sought to quibble about it.

You do yourself (and your work) a disservice when you blindly imitate an uncool practice by an ill-informed source.

An educated and well informed reader regards an omitted comma (from such a construction) as a careless mistake by a careless writer.

Despite the stuff in the long lists attached to that letter from the Census Bureau, there's no good reason to imitate the unpolished appearance of their work, and there are instead several extremely good reasons to improve on it and to present a correct and better appearance in a Wikipedia article – especially in running text in a prose work rather than a list of descriptions in a tabular form.

Cheers, smiles, and best wishes, Doc. DocRushing (talk) 21:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Sailor King
No problem - sometimes it helps to have someone who hasn't seen the sentence before take a look. DuncanHill (talk) 00:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

stub tags in wrong place
Hi, You offered to help on my problem with an editor who keeps putting stub tags at the top of articles. Another editor has pointed out on her talk page that what she's doing is against Layout, but she removed that comment from her talk page and persists. Any thoughts? It's not a case of an edit war on any individual article, just a pattern of continued behaviour which goes against policy. Low-level disruption, rather than vandalism. She's never explained herself, beyond the fact that she disagrees with me! PamD (talk) 07:21, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Valencia
Please stop reverting, because I am to revert then acccording to WP:INTDABLINK. -DePiep (talk) 12:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanx. I found that page in only three years. ;-) -DePiep (talk) 12:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Revisiting this topic: I could have reacted more at ease. Sorry, next time to imprve. -DePiep (talk) 22:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Chivas
Please dont remove my pictures that I had uploaded for Jared Borgetti and Aaron Gallindo I had tooken those pictures myself and I feel you were vandalising —Preceding unsigned comment added by FGaribay (talk • contribs) 13:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

O my bad mr. i did not realize that wikipedia was your life and you really care about it hahahahA!

Waverly, Georgia
I came across the Waverly, Georgia article which is in Camden County, Georgia. Okay the article needs the Camden County, Georgia template and I am not sure where to put it. Many thanks for your help-RFD (talk) 00:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for editing the Waverly, Georgia article. I did not know if Waverly was a town or unincorporated community.I am not familiar with the political subdivisions in Georgia. One more item I am finding more references to Minnesota Point. I was in the Duluth-Superior area last fall with my family and we saw Minnesota Point and the lighthouse there.Many thanks-RFD (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Hilo, Hawaii
I added Youtube sensation Ryan Higa as one of the notable people. How exactly is this vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.57.140.29 (talk) 04:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

You said it was because he was "proven not to be a celebrity". So why is Smosh in the list of notable people for Carmichael, California? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.57.140.29 (talk) 04:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Ridgway, Pennsylvania
Ridgway has been vandalized by User:Rsh18. See the talk page at Ridgway for information I have collected on it. Basically somebody is having some fun and adding plausible, but false information. They are saying that a "Ralph Hindo" was a founding father, etc. They've even included a photoshop picture of Ralph himself. Not sure what you can do as an admin about this, but I am sure that you can do more than me. Also, I noticed that the county name is being added to the townships that are in just one county. Would you like some help with this project? Dincher (talk) 14:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll start with Lycoming County. And will contact the commons admin. Dincher (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you move them, apparently, all at once? Dincher (talk) 15:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. I can do that from home. Dincher (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I need some more specifics on this. Dincher (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the links that end with PA instead of Pennsylvania. For example, Loyalsock Township, PA? Dincher (talk) 21:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay I think I got it. Dincher (talk) 21:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hindo strikes again. It looks like Ridgway needs to be protected. Dincher (talk) 22:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for correcting my oversight on the addition of River Terrace Apartments to National Register of Historic Places listings in Detroit, Michigan. I cut and pasted the coordinates from another listing and then neglected to change them before saving my edits. Doh! --sanfranman59 (talk) 18:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Day into Night
Well I hoped for it to be deleted so I can make way for a move of the 'real album' back to there which is at Day Into Night. I shouldn't have tried to do this myself and just looked for an admin to help but I think I've found one. :) So I basically need Day into Night (album) deleted because it will be (as of now) a worthless redirect since the 'real album' is at Day Into Night. I want Day into Night as the main article and Day Into Night as the redirect back to Day into Night. According to WP:TITLE, article names should be lowercase if they use in, into, on or from in the middle of the title. So do you understand? FireCrystal (talk) 05:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Uhh.. I wanted Day Into Night to be the redirect not Day into Night. FireCrystal (talk) 06:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ahh.. I see now it was to make way for the move. Thanks. FireCrystal (talk) 06:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Precisionism
Awesome that you agree. :) Well I don't know much about it myself... it's a new idea even to me and I liked the idea as well because I am not that strong on deletion but would propose the necessary articles for deletion when they show up. It just speaked to me you know? like it has yourself. Nice to know that there's another precisionist out there. :) FireCrystal (talk) 06:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

VermontLawSchoolSeal
Hello--You deleted an uploaded image in defiance of the wikipedia protocol. You cited (F11: No evidence of permission) to explain your action. However, F11 clearly states that the image "the item may be deleted seven days after notification of the uploader." You violated this protocol in two ways. 1-You did not provide ANY notice to the uploader (Crogle94) at all. 2-You did not provide a seven day notification period. Please explain yourself. Furthermore, the image has full permission from the copyright holder and such notification has been emailed to permissions-en@wikimedia.org as required by wikipedia.Crogle94 (talk) 19:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification. 68.112.84.219 (talk) 20:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Patanu
Maybe a sprinkling of salt is in order for this article recreated 3 times already thanks. BigDunc Talk 21:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Mentifisto has blocked the article creator so maybe no need. BigDunc  Talk 21:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Idora Park NHRP and Carousel
Sorry, but Idora Park is no longer standing, and the site is a vacant lot. I'm also sorry to have to inform you that the Idora Park Carousel is extant (though it moved to Brooklyn), and it is listed on the NHRP (reference #75001482). Please explain to me why you find this information fallacious. Thanks!--BFDhD (talk) 22:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your suggestion! I'll work on uploading what pictures I have soon! Also, please check out the talk page at NRHP Listings in Mahoning County. Interesting discussion led by Doncram.--BFDhD (talk) 21:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the congrats. I wish I could have gotten the article a bit longer, but I just couldn't find any other sources on it. It's decent, though. -- PEPSI2786 talk 06:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Sandy Point Texas
Sandy Point is an incorporated city of the County of Brazoria and has been recognized as such by every other town and cities in the County of Brazoria as well as the county itself. http://brazoria-county.com/engineer/maps/City%20Limits%20with%20ETJ.pdf Txtrooper (talk) 14:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Well for me it works but you can go here http://www.brazoria-county.com/engineer/Maps.asp and then click on the City Limits with ETJ link on the counties engineers website. Txtrooper (talk) 14:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Port Jefferson, Ohio
Port Jefferson has become Ohio's next New Rome. Please see New Rome page for description of that town's demise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rome,_Ohio Please explain why you feel that this info is inappropriate since it is an attempt to report facts.Speedtrapinfo (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.180.114.254 (talk) 14:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Rayado, New Mexico
What was your objection to the external link to Photographs of Rayado? I can understand the deletion of "Provided by RockyMountainProfiles.com" since the photos were actually by Mike Sinnwell. External links at WikiMedia says, "Many sites are commercial in nature. Although this provides motive to spam them on wiki pages, there is no problem with commercial sites that are useful references. Many major newspaper websites contain heavy advertisement, but they are nonetheless good references. In the end, the best criteria to consider is the content and relevancy." The site with Mike Sinnwell's photographs does not have undue advertising and clearly presents the photographs. --Bejnar (talk) 22:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

THANKS for asking Bejnar - I would like a response as well. This is what I put on my talk Page and I have not gotten a response.

I appreciate your response, Yes it is my web site, I am not trying to hide anythng. I am trying to understand. My site is for people interested in Ghost Towns of the old west and the old west. Nothing more. Reference etc for people. No sales pitches, no popups etc. What I do not understand is the reason why the link, on the same page, to GhostTowns.com is acceptable and my link is not. I just fail to see how that is not a promotion or spamming or conflict of interest. If it is acceptable for a site that is promoting them selves and their business than please let me know why I am excluded from having a link. If you still believe my link is not appropriate than at a minimum the link to Ghosttowns.com should be removed. THANKS RockyMountainProfiles (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Awaiting a response. 67.190.22.250 (talk) 02:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I know it has only been six days since I requested a reply to my question above. Apparently my request is not being read. Perhaps I have not sent my request for review to the correct person. If anyone out there can provide an answer or a recommendation of whom I can contact I would apprecite your response - Respectfully - RockyMountainProfiles (talk) 05:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Sunderland, Vermont
Why do you have a problem with Samuel and Everett Randall being notable residents of Sunderland? The breed they created is internationally known, and considered as a valuable genetic resource by the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy and the USDA. Phil (talk) 17:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Judge William Shaw Anderson House
Thanks for your compliment! I'll try my best to stay on the look out for details like that in the future! Yours in editing,--BFDhD (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm familiar with Commons, too. There just aren't enough hours in the day sometimes!--BFDhD (talk) 11:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

NRHP Mahoning County
I'm really sorry to do this to you, Nyttend, considering that I don't think we have a conflict, but I changed some of the edits you made recently on National Register of Historic Places listings for Mahoning County, for the following reasons: 1. McGuffey's home is, in fact, a National Historic Landmark, which can be verified at the NPS site. 2. Since we're waiting to hear if the Idora Carousel is actually delisted, I think it best to keep some information that is reflective of that. Again, I'm sorry if this edit upsets you, but your changes were inaccurate (McGuffey) and I hope you will agree that the footnote by the Idora Park MGR is a good compromise until we get confirmation that it has been delisted.--BFDhD (talk) 11:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Melrose, Montana
How exactly is it a "neighborhood"...It's misleading to people and makes it sound like it's right in Butte.

There is about 50 miles of sagebrush and forest separating the two. There are better ways to label the former towns of Silver Bow than listing them as neighborhoods.

--seattlehawk94 (talk) 03:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I don't get it but a "town" or "community" with it's own mailing code and police to me are their own "towns" or "communities".

I don't see people sending mail to "Green Lake, Washington" because it's in Seattle but I also don't send letters to Butte, Montana and expect them to get to Melrose, Montana. Melrose, Rocker, Ramsey, all have their own mailing codes and police/fire. For all intents and purposes they are their own communities. I've never met some from Melrose who called their town "Butte" and I don't think you will find too many people who will..

Butte never "took over" those towns...They took over the County Government it's Butte-Silver Bow County, it's not Butte and Walkerville County. The rest of Silver Bow still has their own communities and have stayed that way. If you want proof call up the town hall in Melrose. I know they still have one in operation. Rocker and Ramsey as well as Silver Bow are sort of connected to Butte due to the closeness but Melrose is closer to Dillon and still keeps it's own identity. --seattlehawk94 (talk) 05:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

River Terrace Apartments
Yes I did notice the new listing, but thanks for the heads-up. I'll probably swing by this weekend to snap a picture and write up something using that. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

McGuffey Home National Historic Landmark
(Among other things.) While I love Elkman, I trust the NPS and the Ohio State Historic Preservation Office to tell me the accurate truth about what items are and are not listed on the NRHP. Since --I believe-- Doncram has an inquiry in to NPS and I have one in to the OHPO about the Idora MGR, I believe that the language at least needs a footnote until the matter is resolved. Elkman is great, but you admit on your own user page that you don't do much research. I'm a research fanatic, so I'm inclined to keep things as accurate as possible at all times, which may mean leaving footnotes in certain situations. As for McGuffey, there are other NHLs (one in Columbiana County that you have taken a picture for, if I'm not mistaken) that are so noted in the summary, and I was going from that example. You're right: you didn't explain yourself properly. However, there was no need to call me out in the comments due to your inadequate explanations. Also, I don't really see a consistent method of calling out "former" or "delisted" properties amongst the several NR articles, but I'm willing to let you have that one. Please appreciate my appreciation for sourced information and stop removing the footnote about the Idora MGR! I'm not trashing Elkman, I just want someone who actually works with the NR (either at state or federal level) to confirm the delisting (or lack thereof)!--BFDhD (talk) 12:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Ohio historic preservation office (OHPO)
You said: "if it's noted as delisted, it's delisted; the OHPO can't do anything about it." --Funny language. The reason I indicated that I've contacted the OHPO is that I have personal contacts in that office who will get back to me sooner than the NPS may get back to someone else. They will confirm whatever the NPS has to say (which I'm still not convinced is "delisted," in this case, because I physically saw and touched the files for this property two weeks ago), but I will trust whatever the OHPO reports from the NPS. Again, Elkman is great, but mirroring is a flawed system in many cases. Until the matter is cleared, we can leave the list as it is. In the meantime, you may want to review several of your own edits to pages (Columbiana County Regstered Places list, for example) and provide references for your information, just as you requested I provide for my recent edits to the Mahoning County page. Please stop talking down to me. Much appreciated!--BFDhD (talk) 13:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Delistings question
The only definitive way to find the delisting dates would be to go through each of the weekly updates provided by the NPS and look for it to mention the removal. The set of weekly updates for 1985 are here. It doesn't help the NPS will sometimes forget to put something in the update and will add it to another update, sometimes months after the delisting or listing happened. -- D.B. talk • contribs 16:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Citations, where needed
Thanks for your update. Not that I need to pick this nit, but I would like to state for the record that I find inclusion of a picture of a vacant lot insufficient when it comes to verifying the "demolished" status of a place included on an NR list page. For almost all readers, what actual proof is there that the photographer took the image at the accurate address, when the photo is of a vacant lot? Of course, the date on the photo proves that it was taken in the recent past and is therefore representative of a "current" state, but it is by no means reliable information that the photograph is even representative of the location in question. What if the photographer took a picture of part of the property, but some historic material remained on site that was not photographed? What if the photographer had the address numbers transposed? How can the reader be sure that the photo isn't misleading? It is possible that one might photograph a vacant lot, then use the Wikipedia record to further his or her own interests in the application to get his or her personal property delisted from the Register. All that said, I believe that all demolished properties should have citations from a "reliable, published source" (which is what Wikipedia wants for its encyclopedic content, anyhow). Just putting it out there. . . .--BFDhD (talk) 14:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Museum of Ceramics
It is massively unlikely that anyone searching on this is looking for the Ohio museum. We should have a disam page of courtse, but in the meantime, the old title was far better. Johnbod (talk) 16:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Both - see this and this. Johnbod (talk) 19:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Daniel Cragin Mill
Thanks for making the name correction. I see what you did by taking out all the AKAs (I put in) to make it just "Daniel Cragin Mill", the official NRHP listing name. Just to be clear I assume the article name is correct now in the article and written correctly. I assume what you meant by For that reason it's good that you give the alternate name in the Comments line, as you did... is the wording I used in the first line of the article of: The Daniel Cragin Mill, known today as the Frye's Measure Mill, ... is O.K. and the correct way to use this alternate name then. In other words there is nothing further I should do for corrections here, since you made the correction.

Now with that said, maybe you can help me further. In Court Avenue you have a map with a red indicator dot. Don't know how you managed that or how to get such a map with correct location marked. Is it correct to leave it out -OR- is it better to put in such a map? Hints? Thanks. I'll look back here for above answers on your Talk Page.--Doug Coldwell talk 19:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You understand partially correctly — I didn't mean the intro sentence, although it's quite good to mention the alternate name there too. What I meant was "you did the right thing" in adding a comment in the Hillsborough County NRHP list, giving the alternate name there rather than changing the link altogether.  In short, I was trying to say "you've done everything right except the infobox title".  As for the map: see the article.  Where did you get the infobox?  I'm wondering because there's an infobox generator that would be sure to get all the basic information (including giving you the map), after which you could add in other things like the area.  Nyttend (talk) 21:06, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Great in getting map. Mmmmm, don't know where I got the info box. I probably copied it from another article (which, I have no idea) and filled in the information for the Daniel Cragin Mill. The "infobox generator" sounds like a good idea. Can you tell me more of this? Thanks.--Doug Coldwell talk 21:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. Can you help me fix the map for Appomattox Court House National Historical Park, an article I started for a 16 article DYK awhile back. I am not having good luck with it. Thanks for your help.--Doug Coldwell talk 22:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually the infobox generator DID work for Appomattox Court House National Historical Park. Thanks for idea. I'll keep that great tool.--Doug Coldwell talk 00:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Virtues of delisting
On 30 April 2009, you asked on my talk page, "could you imagine a possible benefit to the property owner of having a property delisted? As is, Kent State might be able to write off taxes on the parking lot because the site is still listed." There are two elements to this, first, an answer for the question, then a response to the theoretical statement about Kent State. (Stop me if you've heard this before.)


 * First: As it stands, the National Register does not offer many benefits to owners, and some tax or grant "opportunities," depending on where the property is, may not actually be available. As you probably know, if an owner objects to having the building listed in the first place during the nomination process, it will not be listed. (This can be ill-advised for the savvy property owner who may wish tax credits for fixing up the place, but I digress.) In Ohio, the grants come only after a property owner has applied (possibly through their Certified Local Government (CLG), where applicable), and the Grants department at the Ohio Historic Preservation Office has decided to award the requested grant (or part of that requested grant) to the property owner. (The last round rejected grants that included property owners who wanted a new roof (for free), since they didn't apply for grant money when they replaced the roof a year or two ago, among others.) Federal investment tax credits are available only for rehabilitation of the property (interior and/or exterior) according to the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation (i.e., repairing failing materials but not replacing with new anachronistic materials), and the amount of the tax credit (20%) will only be granted if those standards are met. The other Federal grant opportunity referenced on http://www.nps.gov/nr/national_register_fundamentals.htm#benefits is "for planning and rehabilitation," and this references essentially the same thing: the property owner may apply for grant funding for rehabilitation (not demolition) and planning on site, but this does not guarantee that the owner will get any financial benefit. If the owner was a nonprofit, they could apply for an easement under NR listing, but if the owner wasn't, it wouldn't apply. The other listed "benefits" are almost illusory: a listing in the NR archives, "encouraging preservation of historic resources," IBC fire and life safety code alternatives, "find out information" on how to maintain your home via downloadable documents, "network with other historic property owners," and "celebrate your listing by ordering a bronze plaque"--the latter of which isn't even provided by the NPS or manufactured by a single entity.  The only other benefit listed is that the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation will step in to help owners if a Federal project may affect their property. This is beneficial, but has little to do with taxes.


 * The Secretary's standard for Rehabilitation defines "rehabilitation" as: "the process of returning a property to a state of utility, through repair or alteration, which makes possible an efficient contemporary use while preserving those portions and features of the property which are significant to its historic, architectural, and cultural values." (http://www.nps.gov/history/hps/tps/tax/rhb/stand.htm) It advocates maintaining the historic use of a place, avoiding demolition, and repair over replacement.


 * If an owner was not receiving any local easements due to NR listing (and most do not), and that owner was also not barred by any local laws, ordinances, codes, or aesthetic regulatory systems (many in Ohio, in particular, have no local preservation regulation), the owner would have no financial incentive to keep the property listed when he/she could demolish and find another use for the property. To get the Federal credits, he/she would have to keep the property pretty much the way it was, and then he/she could only expect to receive 20% of the total cost of the repairs back from the goverment. Hence, the "benefit" to non-listing is theoretically being able to do whatever the owner wants with his/her property (within the boundaries of the local laws, zoning, etc.)


 * Second: Kent State is a nonprofit, but I'm not sure if they have taken the easement suggested by the NPS, so I can't speak about that. However, in regard to your observation that they may "write off taxes on the parking lot," Kent State may or may not "write off" their parking lot income, but that would be their decision to make irregardless if the property at 414 Broadway was listed on the National Register (and still standing or not), just because they are a nonprofit institution. I cannot speak for Kent State or tell you definitively whether they check certain boxes on their tax returns, as I have no knowledge of their financial decisions, but the point is, it doesn't matter either way. Kent State could theoretically deduct the income from all of the parking lots in their University system, and none of them would necessarily have to be National Register properties. NR listed or not, it's the same difference: KSU could theoretically "write off" whatever they saw fit to deduct, just by virtue of their being a nonprofit (and I can't say for certain that they do or do not). Kent State would actually have been limited to maintaining and repairing the existing Laughlin house, should they have decided to go for state grant funding (or Save America's Treasures funds, for example) or Federal tax credits. This may have not met with their particular needs, but you would have to do some research into why Kent State would elect to demolish rather than rehabilitate the building. As for individual property owners who are not nonprofits, as I stated above, the incentive is perhaps greater to not be listed on the NR if the owner's intent is to maximize the property value and build newer, bigger buildings. Though an owner taking this tack would disregard the building's/site's/structure's historical value, and ignore the fact that they could eventually make a profit once their property has been rehabilitated and they had received untold amounts of tax credits and grants, it is too often the case that owners would rather not bother with NR listing and all of that paperwork/time, and if they can make a personal profit and not be NR listed, they'd rather just not be listed.


 * I hope this clears up any question you might have. You should probably be able to see that the incentive is there for owners to want to file for delisting just as much as owners may want to object to listing in the first place. They have few options as listed properties and the tax incentives may not be inspiring enough, whereas non-listed properties are just like everything else, though maybe with less paperwork. I wrote a section of a book that centered on the Secretary of the Interior's Standards, so please feel free to ask me any questions you might have about them, too! Cheers,BFDhD (talk) 22:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yikes, too much information for me! In Arizona, by the way, there is a straightforward reduction of your property taxes for 15 years after NRHP-listing, a very simple and clear benefit.  Butting out now.... doncram (talk) 00:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Wisconsin navigational boxes
Hi! A few days ago I pick up a copy of the 2007-2008 Wisconsin Blue Book at Senator Kapanke's office.I walk past there every day to the PO to pick up my mail. I look at pg 762-777 and compared notes with the Wisconsin navigational boxes and the cities, villages, & towns especially the latter.All are accountable for that is there are no municipalities of Wisconsin that need Wisconsin navigational boxes templates.The unincorporated communities were excluded. I am taking into account that the town of Richfield in Washington County became a village, and I made the initial change when that happen. I just hope no editor(s) will get the idea of merging Wisconsin towns with cities&villages of the same name-This was like hearding cats!Thanks again-RFD (talk) 12:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I wanted to double check to see if there was any more missing-The Waterloo, Jefferson County, Wisconsin one was missing last night and I added the template to that one.That one I came across accidentally.Thanks-RFD (talk) 12:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
I notice that you tagged the page File:MohawkHighSchoolRenovationImage.jpg for speedy deletion with the reason "non-free image or media file, which claims fair use but has no fair use rationale, and which has been tagged as not having a rationale for more than 7 days". While that's a valid reason for speedy deletion in general, this page does not qualify for speedy deletion under that criterion because the image had not been tagged for more than 7 days. If you still want the page to be deleted, please consider tagging it with a speedy deletion template which does apply, redirecting it to another page, or using the WP:FFD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 08:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

long/lat
Thanks for the additions. Everything's always better after Nyttend stops by. Thmazing (talk) 23:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey---you deserve it. Thmazing (talk) 06:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Possibly unfree images
Back in December, you tagged File:Hollow0004.png for PUI, but I can't find anywhere that you listed it there. Could you revisit it and try to remember why you so tagged it? Nyttend (talk) 12:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like I listed a block of a user's uploads for deletion because he had uploaded a lot of images which he did not have the rights to. It also appears that I delisted it afterwards. Probably a Twinkle bug. Stifle (talk) 13:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Essex County, Massachusetts‎;
Thanks for tweaking the table, it was actually on my to do list. Right now I am collecting images of the sites and some historical information to add to each listing. I figured restructuring the table could wait until I had a large change to apply. EraserGirl (talk) 16:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Aragon & Dallas
Thanks for sending me that message about those two articles. I'll remember not to do this again. Meteorman7228 (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Springfield Township, Ohio
Reinstated Famous Residents section with Lucas County Auditor's site as reference. Unfortunately you cannot link directly to one property or entry. Jimmy Jackson can be found at 8428 Augusta Lane; and Nate Washington resides at 6971 Wexford Hill Lane. Both addresses are in Springfield Township. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.125.110 (talk) 19:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

East Ellsworth, Wisconsin
I am not sure what to do with the East Ellsworth, Wisconsin article. According to my research East Ellsworth is part of the village of Ellsworth, Wisconsin. -Any suggestions, etc?-Thanks-RFD (talk) 23:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC) PS-I did added some citations and category-Neighborhoods in Wisconsin and its does have its own zipcode-RFD (talk) 01:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Canada, Virginia
I see that you re-categorized Canada, Virginia, moving it from "Albemarle County" to "Charlottesville," and from "Unincorporated Communities" to "Neighborhoods." Though of course either are open to debate, I'm not sure that these are appropriate classifications. At the time that Canada existed, it was in Albemarle County, not within the then-tiny Charlottesville. (With the town of "University" between Canada and Charlottesville. These names are confusing, aren't they? :) This is consistent with how other Albemarle-categorized extinct communities are classified (i.e. Willoughby, Virginia). I'm certainly happy with either approach to classification, I just want to make sure that we're being consistent. Ditto w/r/t classifying it as a neighborhood, rather than as an unincorporated community. The cited sources certainly describe it as a community, which is to say a relatively homogeneous area with a distinct identity that's physically isolated from other communities. Don't you think there's some sense in continuing to classify it as an unincorporated community? --WaldoJ (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Cleveland Grays Armory
The guitar is part of GuitarMania, a public art project that pops up every few years. Artists decorate oversized guitars, which are then placed around the city and eventually auctioned off. The armory is still owned by the Cleveland Grays. - Eureka Lott 01:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Coordinates
Does anyone besides me have serious reservations about the accuracy of the coordinates provided for the NRHP? A few that I have examined don't exactly match up with the proper buildings, some aren't even coming up on the right block. Is this something I can blame on Google Maps? (BTW after working recently Geospotting buildings for the Census Bureau, I can personally attest to the vastness of the wiggle room in government provided data) EraserGirl (talk) 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Why revert my edits
I noticed that you reverted a number of my edits. The reason for my edit project is that many editors believe that articles about settlements (towns, cities, etc) include the location's coordinates an outrageous number of times. Many articles include the coordinates five times. If this is a standard you wish to see continued then lets talk about it. My project is aimed at eliminating the over use of the Geolinks-US-cityscale template. So far I have edited over 2000 articles in this effort usually leaving at least three coordinate references. I'll wait a day or two before I reedit those pages you have reverted. If you feel strongly about this please open a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia and the work you have done. -- droll &#91;chat&#93; 00:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll get back to you as some as I can. I created a big mess and now I have to clean it all up. Thanks for you reply. -- droll &#91;chat&#93; 04:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * So as I see it you have three points for discussion.


 * I started changing ² to 2 because I can't read the ² very well. I'm a bit on the senior side of life and tiny things get harder to see. I believe its an accessibility issue. However that was just my selfish reason. The folks who wrote and maintain the convert template have been using the 2 for as long as I can remember. I see it as a conformity issue. It seems counter to spirit of the MOS to use both forms in the same articles. I don't have to make any special effort to make the change as it happens when I use WP:AWB to edit an article.
 * As for the coordinates thing. I've worked with articles with the (36.578581, -118.291994) pair on a considerable number of occasions in the past and the pair always points to the same location although the decimal degree pair have more specificity. I see it as overkill to include both. It is like saying the dog is brown, the dog is really brown. It adds no additional information to the article. If you look you will notice that I changed the format used by the template to include the decimal degree data. So it looks like   and it displays like 36.57858°N, -118.29199°W. Now if you click on it and take a look at the URL sent to GeoHack you will notice that it includes the decimal information and not the dms information. So you get the advantage of both worlds. Readers get the dms format that is more familiar to most while at the same time the specificity of the decimal degree is maintained. So nothing is lost in my change. As a matter of fact it corrects an error that has been around for a long time. Currently one of the fields in "city". It should be "type:city." So I fix that as well.
 * As for the source of the data, that is a mute point because in reality non is really specified. The citation points to a general page at the Census Gazetteer. The census is no longer the repository of coordinate data for anything as far as I know. It is now the responsibility of the USGS. The issue becomes even more confused because the USGS often gives the coordinates of a CDP and then for the city or town. For example it says Jefferson City Census Designated Place, Montana is at 46.3832867, -112.0502900 and these are the coordinates in the article. It also says that Jefferson City, Montana (Populated Place) is at 46.3882636, -112.0274957.. The point being that there is no valid authority currently cited. The really scary part is that most of these articles we are talking about were computer generated using the 2000 census data. 2010 is going to come around and all that data will need to change in some way.


 * Let me know what you think and I'll try to exclude the articles you reverted from changes I make this time around. I do a lot of editing and keeping track of everyone preferences in impossible but this time I think I can build a list from your contributions.


 * I made a major blunder last night and had to revert about a thousand edits. I worked on it late into the night but I got it done. That's why I was a bit short with you above. Let me know how you fell and I'll try to honor that. -- droll &#91;chat&#93; 17:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Those things that say "this user...
How do you put those things that say this user is whatever? Meteorman7228 (talk) 20:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, exactly what I meant.So,how do I do it? Meteorman7228 (talk) 02:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Columbus Meeting
Thank you kindly! Frank12 (talk) 03:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Providence County Cities
Oops thought that was the Rhode Island template. How embarrasing! I just noticed that myself and was going to undo that myself, but thanks for taking those out. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 16:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Champion Township, OH
Why do you continue to delete what I have put on Champion Township, OH? I am trying to correctly list where the information has come from.

It seems like you are obsessed with being the "hall monitor" on here. Do you not have anything better to do than to delete information? Instead of acting like God, why don't you try to help people post accurate and factual information? Maybe in some dilusional way you get off on being in control of information. Apparantly, others who have tried to post information feel the same way.

Instead of throwing your wiki admin weight around, try helping people. I also find it interesting what some of your interests are, but that's another discussion.Jaeulat (talk) 13:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

---Agreed Jaeulat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsly4425 (talk • contribs) 23:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Deleted Image
If possible, I would like to perform the curative necessary to have the image that you deleted and removed (May 13, 2009, 00:50, image:One-birdland.jpg) re-uploaded. When I initially uploaded it, I thought that it had met criteria and had an adequate explanation for use in the public domain: Its creator is a public institution (state university) and the image was a promotional poster intended for wide, unlimited distribution in the public domain. Please advise.

My first article
I noticed that to avoid deletion on my first article which is in development, that I had to keep it at my user page until I can spin it off. and it also says that editors will notice and edit the article. Meteorman7228 (talk) 22:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Should I or Should I Not?
A few weeks back I was reading an article at United Television which is too big of a section for one article. I suggested that it be split but it does not appear to be considered. Should I do it myself? Oh and by the way its a section of the Chris Craft article. Meteorman7228 (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Why revert my edits
Please see continued discussion on my talk page. -- droll &#91;chat&#93; 02:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Library Bell Tower photo
Great shot! How did you manage to get up there? Mvincec (talk) 02:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I found an old image
I went to the internet archive and went to a tv station website then i found an image. I dont know if its free or not to upload it   M  eteor  Man  7228  21:02, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

County names
This project of adding county names to the township names for the townships in Pennsylvania is taking nice and long. Isn't it? I've done several in the central part of the state: Lycoming, Sullivan, Montour, Union, Snyder, Mifflin and Juniata. I've decided to start keeping a list of what's been done and what hasn't. Could you please tell me the counties that you've completed? And I'll add them to my list. Thanks. --Dincher (talk) 01:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the graduation! I've updated the templates, changed the links on the county pages and fixed the "PA" redirects and many of the other redirects as well. This is going to be one of those projects that takes a long, long time. Dincher (talk) 10:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Out of the 67 counties, I estimate that we've gotten through 15 - 20 of them. I haven't made a serious look to see which ones are already done. I should get to a few more tomorrow. Dincher (talk) 01:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I just counted them. It's 24.

Flint, Ohio
The lowercase "corphist" link is now a 404, and only the uppercase "Corphist" works. This is why I changed the link. --NE2 02:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

eliminating redundant "no."
Please see my comment at Talk:Township Number 1, Harper County, Kansas and look at the Geographic Change Notes again. Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 04:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

City
I guess its my learning curve. As the City article says, City is a large substantial thing ..... but then goes on to say "In Idaho, Oregon, Kansas, Kentucky, North Dakota, Minnesota, and Iowa, all incorporated municipalities are cities". I think thats crazy, but you're right! sorry. Where I live 144 people would'nt be able to build the cathedral required to be a city etc etc and the Queen doesnt allow hamlets with 144 people in them to get a royal charter! But then shes not queen of Idaho now ... Victuallers (talk) 13:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Coordinates in prose
I saw that you re-added the coordinates in the prose of the article as you did in Fernley, Nevada. When reading an article, saying that "Fernley is located at 39°35′55″N 119°12′54″W (39.598706, -119.215030)" is really meaningless when read in text unless you know where 39°35′55″N 119°12′54″W is off the top of your head. All it does is give you a link to the coordinate location page which can be accomplished by putting them in the tile. Coordinates are listed in the title only (or maybe the infobox too) in several articles of other cities (at least most larger cities, see Reno, Las Vegas, Toronto and Mumbai which is a featured article and only has one set.) Actually describing in prose where the city is using landmarks that a reader can understand is much more useful than giving the latitude and longitude (again see the geography section in Mumbai). I haven't been able to find a Manual of Style guideline for cities to see if there is a preferred option, however looking at other FA class articles they seem to be split between having the coordinates in prose and not having them in prose. I asked the question as to if there is a preferred system at WP:CITY, so you may want to keep an eye on that, or give your opinion there. --kelapstick (talk) 16:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I found in the geography section of WP:USCITY:
 * "If a coordinate (latitude and longitude) is included in the infobox, remove any existing article coordinate from this section."
 * --kelapstick (talk) 18:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Myakka City, Florida
Hi, I do appreciate all your work on articles on counties, cities, etc., but I am bothered by your reversions of my edits that say something like "No blogs here", or "Don't need the explanation." When I reverted your revert in the above article, you reverted me again saying: "This is a see also section, not a discussion of those articles)." This appears to me to be simply your opinion, since when I look at WP:MOS, I find 18 links to other articles, 17 of which have what you would consider a discussion of those articles. Unless I can get a better reason from you, I will put my language back in. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Midwest Partnership Development Corporation
I have a question. Why are you deleting my page? We are not advertising. We are an economic developement group for Adair County, Iowa, Greene County, Iowa, & Guthrie County, Iowa. We are a 501c(3) non-profit organization. Please correct me if I am doing something wrong.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwpcorp (talk • contribs) 15:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Gwinhurst, Delaware
Gwinhurst is equivalent to many other subdivisions such as Windybush, Green Acres, Edge Moor, Mayfield, Lynnfield, Carrcroft, and Graylyn Crest... none of which are notable enough for their own article. I have not found any sources which offer any information which would demonstrate that it is notable in any way. At very best, it could be listed among "unincorporated communities in Brandywine Hundred". Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 14:45, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Gwinhurst is a neighborhood. As a neighborhood, it falls within the larger designation of an "unincorporated community".  Not all communities are noteworthy, and therefore, not all should have a wikipedia article.  With no reliable sources having published anything about this community other than its coordinates on a map, this article does not stand on its own.  Please show me any reliable source which identifies any aspect of this "community" as notable.  It is a neighborhood among a conglomerate of subdivisions bounded by Silverside Road, Philadelphia Pike, Perkins Run (the border to Claymont) and Top of the Hill Apartments. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 18:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what would make you think I view this subdivision as "just a new development". This is a neighborhood; a subdivision of an unincorporated community.  Are you at all familiar with the geography of this area?  Consider, for instance, this list of neighborhoods in the adjacent 5th district.  Would you suggest that each of these "communities" is notable enough for its own wikipedia article, even with no reliable third party sources? Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 22:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not disputing the reliability of the USGS, I'm just saying inclusion in its database is no indicator of notability. There are more than 800 such populated places in New Castle County alone.  Surely you aren't suggesting this warrants they have an article on wikipedia? Your mention of "the local government" further confounds the issue, since there aren't any references from any local governments cited.  You hit the nail on the head when you referred to "simple housing developments".  This is precisely what Gwinhurst is.  Therefore, as you stated, "you'd need to provide sources saying that they're more than that."  You've made my argument for deleting the Gwinhurst article.  Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 01:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * For starters, the so-called source is to a search engine for parcels of land in New Castle County. Gwinhurst may be found by using the lookup under "subdivision", and the results are 545 parcels on about a dozen streets.  Secondly, if you use the GNIS search engine, you can find similar results for most of the other neighborhoods of Brandywine Hundred, none of which would be notable in and of themselves without further sources.  As is the case with all wikipedia articles, I expect to find something more significant than its name mentioned in a database with coordinates.  My delete vote has only been bolstered by this discussion.  If consensus is that neighborhoods like Gwinhurst should have an article regardless of the fact that they are otherwise non-notable, then we need to get cracking on this list. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 03:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Flickr photos
I noticed your question at WP:Media copyright questions and took care of it. There is a really helpful tool on Commons that helps with uploading photos from Flickr. You did everything right in manually adding the info. You just needed to also add a template that would get a commons admin or adminbot to confirm that the photo's license is, indeed, free. I'm not sure if I answered all your questions, as I still find licensing and copyright to be somewhat confusing, but the photo is A-OK. -- D.B. talk • contribs 18:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Gwinhurst
I was just going with what the last afd said. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm really puzzled...
Why on Earth would you imagine places like Myakka City, Florida and other communities would need their locations stated four times in one small article. Please could you point me to a Wikipedia policy or guideline where it states this is "standard". Astronaut (talk) 21:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Image:Quick TransLation logo.png
Can you undelete the file, because I have just rewritten the article Quick TransLation. I cannot upload the image myself. Many thanks. Quick TransLation (talk) 10:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Mary's City of David
Please see Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Berrien County, Michigan. Mapsax (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Fact flags
Just wanted to ask you not to place facttags with a date of "may2009"; if you look at this version of Montpelier, Vermont, you'll see that using "may2009" puts them into a nonexistent category. Using "May 2009" will put it into the correct category. Not a complaint; just trying to make things run a little smoother. Nyttend (talk) 18:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Used the other form (indeed, several versions) earlier, but odd problems arose. If that's been fixed, I'm happy to comply.--Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 19:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes
This is very low priority change. The guidelines for infobox naming would now encourage the lowercase for "settlement", and most of the infoboxes will be renamed in time with that case. Since I was aware of that and going trough a lot of articles over the last few days it seemed worth changing them at the same time. Rich Farmbrough, 21:05 22 May 2009 (UTC).

Dates
Hi, I noticed that you have been linking some dates at Pittsburg Public Library recently. This practice of linking dates for the purpose of autoformatting is now deprecated. Please see WP:LINKING and WP:MOSNUM. Furthermore, there is an temporary Arbcom injunction on mass linking/delinking of chronological elements, although there is no suggestion from me that you are in breach whatsoever. I'm happy to respond to any inquiries you may have about the matter. Thank you for your attention. Ohconfucius (talk) 05:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Harris County and districts
The districts I added were established by the Texas state legislature. In particular Greenspoint and Spring Branch have small portions in unincorporated Harris County, and East Aldine is entirely in unincorporated territory. The others are entirely in the city of Houston. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC) What I meant regarding the "city" thing is that, in many parts of the Houston area, the county is the closest thing to a city government. There are highly urbanized areas, subdivisions, and communities that are in unincorporated Harris County. What I mean is that the county template would be for unincorporated areas as what the Houston template is for areas in the city of Houston. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You said: "(Sorry, "management districts" aren't a type of community or a municipality, and most of them are just Houston) (rollback | undo)"
 * 1. Management districts often coincide with communities
 * 2. Then why not only include those with portions in unincorporated areas - Therefore your removal of Greenspoint, East Aldine, and Spring Branch were not justified.
 * 3. Harris County, Texas's template needs to function as a "city" template for unincorporated areas.
 * 4. If you do not agree with what I say, please talk on your talk page or on my talk page - Edit_summary states: "Avoid using edit summaries to carry on debates or negotiation over the content or to express opinions of the other users involved. This creates an atmosphere where the only way to carry on discussion is to revert other editors! Instead, place such comments, if required, on the talk page. This keeps discussions and debates away from the article page itself."
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 17:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW you realize that state management districts have the ability to levy taxes, right? WhisperToMe (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Methuen
You wanna tell me what you are doing bud? if you have a problem with my sources, TELL ME, don't just erase my freaking work. perhaps i just pasted the wrong bloody thing. but erasing stuff without comment is just plain rude. i'm gonna put it all back and double check my work. you have a problem talk to me. EraserGirl (talk) 23:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I took rolling back 3 pages as an aggressive act so i guess we are even. You already knew that I am seriously working this patch and I don't exactly stink at it.  How did you think I would respond? erasing someone's work without so much as a headsup is kinda spiteful. Next time just ask me, I just forgot the link was the parent page that's not a big enough crime to void my work. EraserGirl (talk) 01:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Stop erasing my work. are you having fun? why don't you just let me fix the damn links? EraserGirl (talk) 01:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am asking you to stop this.  58 AYERS ROAD is the 4th thing on the page.  right between Ashland and Baremeadow, it can't get any plainer than that.  http://methuenhistory.org/Sites/A_thru_B_Streets.html   So now you aren't even looking at anything I am doing. You are just reverting things for no reason.  EraserGirl (talk) 01:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Clark County, Ohio‎
Thanks for the fix - an IP had changed Clark's fighting to the late 19th century (so at least I got the century fixed ;-) ) Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Boundary increase in Lawrence
No worries ... I thought it was a little odd also when I noticed that the location description for the boundary increase was identical to the original listing. I'd intended to include the source instead of the description when I originally added it to the table, but forgot. I'm only guessing, but they may have added another contributing property or two that fall within the previous rough boundaries of the district. It could also be that they made a mistake in what was posted to the weekly list (it certainly wouldn't be the first time).

Strangely, I can't even get the May 22 listings page to come up now. I was only able to get it yesterday when I modified the date in the URL for the May 8 list. For some reason, their weekly list page only shows up to that date now, but I knew that they had a list for May 15, so I replaced 20090508 in the May 8 URL with 20090522 and it worked ... at least it did yesterday. --sanfranman59 (talk) 17:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

KSU
Pardon my wiki-eavesdropping, but I do actually live in Kent. There are quite a few pictures that show the old part of campus in the Kent State University article. Here are some: Kent Hall, Kent Hall and Cartwright Hall, Kent Hall rear. A lot of them are night pictures, though, so perhaps not the best choices. The problem with that area is there really isn't a way to get a picture of the whole thing because of the way the road curves around and how wooded it has become. As far as I can see from the description here, the listing includes all the older buildings (Moulton Hall, Lowry Hall, Merrill Hall, Cartwright Hall, Kent Hall, and Franklin Hall) along Hilltop Drive, which were the original campus of the Kent State Normal School. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:59, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

re:MCQ
The copyright questions page for the commons is: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Licensing. The navbox on the right side has a list of the main community discussion pages (such as the village pump and help desk). Good luck!-Andrew c [talk] 14:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

NHLs in Essex County, Vermont?
Hi NY ... The note you added to National Register of Historic Places listings in Essex County, Vermont on May 10 indicates that 4 of the properties are NHLs. The 2007 NPS list of NHLs shows none in Essex. I have a feeling this was a cut-and-paste error but thought I'd check with you to make sure you don't have information to the contrary. --sanfranman59 (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I just wasn't sure if there was a more recent list than 2007. It seemed unlikely that 4 of 8 NRHP in that county would have been made NHLs since 2007, but I figured I'd better check with you before making the change. Thanks for the response. --sanfranman59 (talk) 19:50, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I would like to report someone
Some user named Jtalledo reverted one of my edits, that was in fact, true, i'll give you a summary of what said user did, because, I know that it was true.  M  eteor  Man  7228  19:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Flickr
Unfortunately, I do not have a Flickr account. I have thought abouth getting one, but I figure any photo I have of any importance would be on Commons anyways. However, I believe I found a method through which you could contact the creator. In her Flickr profile, she mentions her blog, which lists an e-mail account in that profile. I hope you can get permission, it is a good photo. -- D.B. talk • contribs 20:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * So, how'd it go? It looks like you were able to get permission. -- D.B. talk • contribs 02:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Im gonna be away
Hi, i'm gonna be away for a while starting on Thursday, could you watch my talk page?  M  eteor  Man  7228  03:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Gilmore Girls
Yes, I guess that MeteorMan7228 was one of the IPs that I'd been reverting. The misunderstanding seems to be squared away now. Thanks for your help! --Jtalledo (talk) 10:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Denver Firefighters Museum
Thanks for your excellent edits on this article. Denverjeffrey (talk) 14:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your message. I am planning on getting some more pictures at least of the remaining NRHP sites in Kent as well as the John Johnson Farm and the Newel K. Whitney Store in Kirtland. In addition, I took a number of pictures of all the main historic buildings at Kent State. They can be found on my Commons page or under the category "Kent State University". Once we figure out what the actual NRHP listing encompasses, we can add them to the appropriate NRHP category as needed. As for the Registered Historic District, all I was doing was following the guidelines from the project and the Historic District taskforce page which said to place "hd" in the infobox to indicate the listing was an historic district. Perhaps they need to edit the NRHP infobox to use a more general "historic district" term instead? I also made some comments at Talk: Kent Industrial District regarding that specific infobox. Again, I was simply following the guidelines set up on the template page as what to include and how, so I was a little confused by your edits and removals there. I did see in some of the featured articles from the NRHP project that there is an alternate "geobox" that can be used as well. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Why does the "standard infobox generator" vary from what is outlined on the page for Template:Infobox nrhp? The generator just plugs in the very general (and oftentimes unclear) descriptions from the NRHP entry and goes against what the project page lays out.  It seems to me the generator is for creating new infoboxes that can be edited further as the articles develop rather than for editing ones that were manually put together, otherwise, why go to the trouble of creating the template page and guidelines at all?  --JonRidinger (talk) 18:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh I thought I removed the more specific part of the link from the NRIS search.


 * The more "detailed" location is not necessary since it asks only for the city it is located in, not the NRHP boundaries (which in this case and in others as I have said are not very clear, in this case specifically, the southern border and the names of the streets). If anything further than the city name, it should be simple like "Downtown" or "Central" Kent, Ohio.  Besides that it is explained in the opening paragraph and is more detailed and accurate than the NRHP description.
 * As for "built" I noticed it also says "founded" so historically even though parts of the district predate that by some 20 years, it could be used since apparently that is when NRHP is saying it became an industrial district. I can live with that :)
 * The only other issues I have is the removal of the map caption...why...and the "governing body". The entire area is either privately owned or is part of the Kent park system's Franklin Mills Riveredge Park, so the governing bodies are "Private and city of Kent" since the template asks for the actual name of the governing body.  Another listing source says "Private, Local gov't" so why not just use the actual name since we know it? --JonRidinger (talk) 18:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Never mind
You dont have to do it, sorry for the trouble    M  eteor  Man  7228  18:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

En to dash
(in response) --Not sure why someone might type the code instead of clicking the handy tool, but maybe certain people just love the secret language-feel of it all! :) It's always something, as they say. . . .--BFDhD (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
OK I think I got most if not all of them. Let me know if you find any that are improperly tagged. I'd like to get as many as possible on CC 3.0, at least actual photographs I took rather than the straight PD tag. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! --JonRidinger (talk) 04:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no problem adding them to as many categories as are appropriate. The more the better!  Many of the ones I noticed you added were ones I wasn't even aware existed since I upload my pictures mostly for a specific article or purpose.  Let me know some suggestions for other categories...you're free to add cats you feel are appropriate, but I don't want to make it sound like I'm leaving a bunch of work to you! --JonRidinger (talk) 05:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Kongeluns (?) in Denmark
Greetings, Nyttend! I do appreciate the encouraging suggestions you made in responding to my RefDesk query, regarding search avenues in foreign languages. I do this quite often and with an impressive (to my boss, certainly) degree of success, even in languages with non-roman alphabets (e.g. Cyrillic), certainly within Wikipedia. The interwiki search, using cut-and-paste of nouns proper and common, particularly successful in geography topics, is one of WP's greatest features and the reason I originally started contributing three years ago, as a way of repaying my debt to fellow editors. My further response on the query (intended as friendly and not flippant) was to continue the thread a bit more before I conclude and present the findings to the keywords-meister for taking action. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 08:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Arvin Olin House
Hey, no problem man. I took those pictures the same day (26 May) I took several others, but after I saw the house number on the house I suddenly wasn't sure, so I waited. I checked the Portage County records for that address (1425 Ravenna Road) and it didn't exist and then checked with the Kent Historical Society today to be sure. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I went to the Kent Historical Society today and they confirmed that the house pictured is the Arvin Olin House and as you saw it has "1423" on the house. They (KHS) have been trying to get the city of Akron to let them buy and move the house, but Akron is content with letting it disintegrate apparently.  By the way, I will be getting the forms for all the Kent NRHP listings within the next 2-3 weeks as they (NRHP) informed me they were working on them.
 * Here are the links to the property listings:
 * 1423 Ravenna Road
 * 1425 Ravenna Road
 * --JonRidinger (talk) 02:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

NRIS info issues status
You asked "Do you know if the corrections from WP:NRIS issues have been implemented in the latest database dump?". Unless there is a brand new database dump that i don't know about, then, no. At the time of the last dump, they had only addressed the very first batch of 20 items, and actually i am not sure if they had those in. I have gotten back 2 reports, that the first batch was all being addressed except for one, and a report showing about 60-100 other items in their data-entry process. The assigned contact person was very polite and positive about wikipedia. But it's time for me to follow up about getting reports back about other items submitted. Also time to submit more, organized by state. I have a lot to say about Oregon and about Puerto Rico where reconciliations to another source have been done, which could identify NPS omission errors. Does this address your question? Ask me more... doncram (talk) 01:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, there was a new database dump in early February (in March) i think it was. I believe it was prompted by my/our contacts to them about Address Restricted sites, which we were pointing out had many errors in them, including showing Address Restricted in an address field, but not setting some other switch, so that latitude and longitude coordinates for many sites were disclosed that should not have been.  I pointed that out in response to a question from them, about why we were showing locations of address restricted sites, upon delivery of the first batch of 20, so I think there was a small hullabaloo there, and i guess that was then a priority for them.  This address restricted stuff was addressed (mostly at least, i think not perfectly).  And, the new entries from 4/2008 up to that date were included in the new dump.  Checking my email... I was told "The update ...provided goes through 3/13/09."  That means, i think, everything that had been data entered into NRIS by that date, not necessarily everything reported in the weekly listings up to that date (which is a different system i think).  That gave us a lot, actually, so new tables have all the 2008 and some 2009-listed sites. doncram (talk) 02:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, Elkman implemented that new database dump, quite promptly, upon my request at his Talk page. The new data replaced all old data for all the different database queries including individual infoboxes and the county tables, which has been a big help since then for covering the almost a year more of listings.  We are working with the best available data, except perhaps for coordinates data, for which better NPS coordinates may be available (but I am sure would be complicated to work with). doncram (talk) 02:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * i had sort of started on SD earlier, but it was Ebyabe who did most and completed it recently. it would be great if you would tackle another, like IN or TN or whatever is left. :) doncram (talk) 07:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Full Armor of God Broadcast
This image was removed by you: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=FullArmorofGodBroadcast.png

This article is in the appeals process and awaiting possible un-deletion. It is currently being re-written http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ivanhoe610fa/sandbox/The_Full_Armor_of_God

Can you please un-delete the image until the final outcome of this article is decide? Ivanhoe610fa (talk) 03:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Your changing of headers and footers in NRHP county lists
Hi, I must question your changing of headers and footers in NRHP county, cityt or town lists, such as National Register of Historic Places listings in Erie County, Ohio. The links to the parent list from which it was taken should be at the top rather than the bottom. I started putting it at the top in order to show the provenance of the list. Some local editors had taken such lists and tried to turn them into something more general than an NRHP list. I know I'm probably a voice crying in the wilderness. Best wishes.clariosophic (talk) 19:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. Here is an example of a competing page. Another editor and I both did merges with the regular NRHP list, but were both reverted. Finally I moved the list back to the parent list. Apparently an editor thinks he owns the place's articles. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 01:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I accept your point on the headers and footers. Thanks for your redirect. Sometimes I've had to back off from a situation. This was one of them. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 02:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Oakdale, Iowa
your source is outdated then, i live in oakdale its very much apart of coralville i have lived here for 20+ years. coralville recently annexed all the land north of oakdale and south of north liberty and all of oakdale along with it. the neighborhood is still called oakdale because of the university of iowa oakdale satellite campus that is located there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.225.242 (talk) 20:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Consolidation/annexation

 * In the November 4, 2008 election, the village of Rochester, Wisconsin voted to consolidate with the town of Rochester (town), Wisconsin as the village of Rochester, Wisconsin.
 * In the talk page of the Forest Lake Township, Washington County, Minnesota an editor mentioned the township was annexed by the city of Forest Lake, Minnesota. In researching this, this took place in 2001.I wanted to alert you in case you needed to do anything.Many thanks for what you do.RFD (talk) 20:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The town of Richfield, Washington County, Wisconsin was incorporated as a village in 2008 and as a result the town government was dissolved.I checked the Wisconsin Department of Administration's list of incorporation/consolidation and there has been no recent activities. As for merging the town and village articles about Rochester, Wisconsin's consolidation, this will need a bot to do it.The local government articles were created by the bots, etc.Mnay thanks=RFD (talk) 13:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In Wisconsin, each town has an elected town board with a chair so unlike Ohio, no paper townships exists in Wisconsin.In Richfield Wisconsin's case they voted for a new form of government: village and consequently the town government was dissolved and the new village government took over.Many thanks-RFD (talk) 14:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In answer to your question with the Richfield/Rochester annexation/consolidation yes the Richfield\Rochester town government ceased to exist and yes in the 2 cases the whole town ceased to exist and became a village.Thanks-RFD (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Lorenzo Snow House
You know I was just thinking of that. I was right near it yesterday when I got pictures of the John Johnson Farm (the two are about 2 miles apart on Pioneer Trail) but didn't go over there. I know where it is, so I will try and get one soon. The biggest problem is the house is privately owned and there isn't a nice large yard and parking lot like at the Johnson Farm. The house has a large state historical marker right in front of it, though, so it's easy to find. I'm surprised it isn't on the NRHP as it dates to 1815. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm, it is true... :) --JonRidinger (talk) 02:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It happens. Oh well. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

F8?
I uploaded the Alaska Governor's Mansion image at 04:07. You uploaded the same image at 13:52, then deleted mine as F8. IMO, you should have deleted your own or copied mine over to Commons. The picture was already cropped and used in two articles. Your version has a "needs border removed" message, and the file you deleted hasn't been replaced on the Mansion article. long story short - It may not have been your intention, but the F8 seems rude.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  14:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:St. Louis County, Minnesota
Hi! I enjoy your help with my articles about small towns. I accedentaly messed up this template. Can you help me? I just totally screwed this up and need some help. Thanks--Moland freak (talk) 03:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Took care of it. I saw the note here and thought I fix it as it was a quick fix. -- D.B. talk • contribs 03:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Montana
H, Just an FYI that I actually live in the area where I edited recently, (actually, I'm a fourth-generation Montanan) and while I may have violated a wiki policy on geographic place names, I can also assure you that these are in fact real communities. They have schools, a town hall, stores, a volunteer fire department, etc... not just wide spots in the road. If I somehow am violating a standard for wiki editing of place articles and templates, let me know and I will try to fix and source, but these ARE real places, not just CDPs like the valley is. Montanabw (talk) 04:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Odd, though. As the "Helena Valley" is all one ZIP code of undifferentiated suburbs and rural areas, even though there appear to be four CDPs, and the West side is part of the city's ZIP code.  Lincoln and Augusta are more than 50 miles away.  Craig and Wolf Creek are unincorporated, but are true little communities.  Well, keep helping me figure this out.  Montanabw (talk) 04:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm going to make some more tweaks on the template and hope I don't screw it up too bad. If you see where I am going here, just try to help me stick to the proper technical aspects.  I realize there are protocols here that I am not familiar with (normally all I edit are horse articles) and I'm not trying to mess up those.  Just trying to keep things somehow connected to reality... if you look at the map at Lincoln, Montana, you'll see why this is a concern.  Trust me, I'm STILL leaving off all the true wide spots in the road, I won't be trying to add Austin, Silver City, Canyon Creek, Bowman's Corner, Birdseye, etc...!  LOL!    Montanabw (talk) 05:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think I'm getting it. See what I did with the template, if it didn't work, you can put those two back into one CDP section, but do keep Craig and Wolf Creek on the unincorporated list, Wolf Creek in particular is redlinked in about five other articles and probably needs a short piece one of these days.   Montanabw (talk) 05:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I can put them on the to-do list. Not a lot to say, Lincoln is famous for the Unabomber, that's already in the article.  Hosts a groove sled dog race.  I actually used to teach geography, but not exclusively, my own background was more history and poli sci.  I didn't get into census stuff a lot other than around reapportionment issues.  Montanabw (talk) 05:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I don't know quite what the kafuffle is with the people from Bozeman whose names you kept removing (while most folks on the list did not require sources), but if I have not followed some wiki rule, feel free to shoot me the WP link to the relevant guidelines page or something. But I am curious why I was being held to a higher standard than the rest of the editors who put people on that residents list and didn't have to cite a source...   Montanabw (talk) 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, need to fix the wiki articles, I guess. Montanabw (talk) 23:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
 APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  13:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Wailea-Makena, Hawaii
I appreciate you keeping an eye on Wailea-Makena, Hawaii, but I don't think Lfstevens was engaging in OR. Yes, the user is fairly new and his edits needed some work, but I think it is far more important to edit harmoniously and cultivate good editors rather than simply reverting them. See the current discussion over at User talk:Lfstevens. The general focus of the material he added is sound, and is partly covered by South Maui Coastal Heritage Corridor and several reliable sources. Viriditas (talk) 23:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a hearty amen for the strong need for harmony and for editing in more harmonious, constructive, and supportive ways (and less high-handed and presumptuous ways), especially when directed toward newcomers. Cheers!  Doc.  DocRushing (talk) 01:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Logo of Hod Hasharon
hi, i wanted to ask you for the reason of restoring the od Logo of Hod Hasharon. File:Hod HaSharonlogo.png. Please note that i was recently visiting this town and i took a photo of the actual COA placed on a sign in the entrance of to a public park. I uploaded this image to Commons and linked to it File:Hod Hasharon COA.png. The COA you restored is maybe an older COA used previously, surely not the current one used officialy by the municipality. In any case there is no reason to use a "fair Use" image in case a free one is available in comons. Best regards --Kippi70 (talk) 11:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you provide me a link to the image that I deleted? I vaguely remember deleting an image of this type, but until you show me the link, I can't do anything. Nyttend (talk) 14:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi and thanks for the swift reply. You did NOT delete anything, you just replaced the link to the updated and correct COA of Ramat Hasharon in the En Wiki (which i added) to an older COA in Fair Use which is neither up-to-date nor official. I have place links in your discussion page to both images. Could we continue the discussion on your page? Best Regards --Kippi70 (talk) 15:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I have set the title of this section as a link. The town mentioned above used a COA in the English Wiki which was marked as Fair Use. During my recent visit there i took a photo of the updated COA and placed it in Commons (Israeli COA's are considered by the Israeli Copyright Act of 2007 as Works of Applied Art placed permanently in a public place and therefore fall under the FOP right) You reverted my edit (a link to Commons to the updated COA) and i do not now what is the reason for your edit.

Best Regards. --Kippi70 (talk) 21:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Embudo Station
One of the problems that I've had editing in wikipedia, involves just these sorts of paradoxes. If, for example, I get in my car, go to the end of my driveway, turn right on NM Highway 68, drive the 5 or so miles down to the Embudo Station on NM68, cross the Rio Grande River on the bridge there, then that would be considered to be the dreaded original research and no match against what ever published source you have. I have my atlas of New Mexico, which shows the village of Embudo (where I live) but the station is not marked, so what does that document?? You might want to glance at this site, but since it does not spell out that this is also the historic place, who knows? Anyway, I wanted to get it right, tried to do so, and we'll see what happens next. Life is supposed to be interesting. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I did not mean to be obscure. looking at the history of  it appeared to me that you had undone an edit of mine changing the location of the Embudo Station from US 64 to NM Hwy 68.  Did you in fact not do that?  In any case that is what my message was about.  einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The district is a group of survivng buildings in and around what was the Embudo Station - a railway stop. But what ever it is/was it is not located on US 64.
 * The Embudo Station District is on private property. I recently asked Preston, the owner, if I could take pictures for wikipedia and he said sure.  But I have a long history of posting pictures and having them undone. I've even gotten permission from book authors to use stuff and they got pulled because someone didn't like how the paperwork was done.  I was looking at the other historic sites around here and will get what I can but wikipedia is no longer my first priority, as it was for a number of years.  But I've been planning to do the Station so probably will.  Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 04:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Another Utah picture
I'll see what I can do :) Einbierbitte (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ogden Theater
Oops, sorry about that. Perhaps I'll ride my bike over there (to the Ogden Theater) this weekend and take a picture of it myself. I am not familiar with commenting on deletion requests, so I want to study it a little before I do anything. Thanks, Jeffrey Denverjeffrey (talk) 13:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Scott County, Iowa
The third entry is Ambrose Hall. There is no page on that, so should it be linked to St. Ambrose University or should it only link to the specific hall?  C T J F 8 3 Talk 17:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks...I guess if I get the motivation, I can run to Ambrose and get some info on the hall.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 18:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I took a picture for the St. Ambrose page, and someone added that picture to Historic Places. I'm not even sure that the picture is of the hall, and I should probably remove it. I can go to the Ambrose Library and ask if they have info on it tomorrow, and clarify which building is actually Ambrose Hall.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 18:07, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you planning on creating pages on the registry? It would be nice to have an article for all the historic places, but that sounds like a lot of work.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 18:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How can we get a bot to at least start a page for all of Iowa?  C T J F 8 3 Talk 18:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you, I'll just take the approach of creating a few here and there till they are all done. That way they aren't all "boty"  C T J F 8 3 Talk 19:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That tool looks very useful, I'll just have to go to the library to learn more about the places.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 15:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Cades Cove
Are you sure Cades Cove is not a historic district? It's listed as such on this site. Bms4880 (talk) 21:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm still not seeing your point. The form you showed gave its name as the "Cades Cove Historic District."  A historic district can comprise "individual elements separated geographically but linked by association or history."  Do you have a list or something that lists all NRHP-listed historic districts, or something that shows CC is NOT a historic district?  Bms4880 (talk) 13:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Tagged Meester Image
Hi. I've just now seen your message regarding the deleted File:Meester Waldorf1.jpg. I was told on May 30 that the image would remain for seven days, but it appears to have been removed ahead of time. Due to this, I was unable to review the fair use matters specifically, and therefore unable to attend to them. Is there a way of retrieving the file page so I can do this? -- James26 (talk) 00:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- James26 (talk) 01:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Cuyahoga County NHLs
Congrats on graduating! No worries on the historic listings page - thanks for whipping it into shape. By the way, if you're not already familiar with it, you may want to take a peek at the manual of style for numbers. - Eureka Lott 02:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Image deletion warning
I've tagged File:St. John's Church Columbia TN.jpg, which you uploaded, for deletion for lack of evidence of permission. You've stated that someone other than you uploaded the image, but you haven't provided evidence of that permission. Would you be willing/able to contact the copyright holder and provide permission? Unless you can provide evidence of this permission, the file will be deleted in one week. If you have any questions, please leave a note at my talk page. Nyttend (talk) 02:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What evidence are you looking for exactly? My friend emailed me the picture in response to my request to put it in Wikipedia in the public domain. (I did not save the email from weeks ago.) Do you need his fingerprints scanned in or what? Hal Jespersen (talk) 15:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well this is really embarrassing. The guy who donated it to me apparently misunderstood the terms under which it would be used and asked for some unacceptable restrictions. So I replaced the photo with a [slightly lower quality] version of the same building that I photographed myself on the same day. I apologize for the trouble this has caused and will be more careful in the future. Hal Jespersen (talk) 23:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I removed the photo from the pages where it was listed because it had no evidence: since you've added the new version, I've restored it. It's now being used at National Register of Historic Places listings in Maury County, Tennessee, as well as where it was before. Since you got a picture of this site, by the way, would you be willing/able to get photos for other sites on that Maury County list? Nyttend (talk) 00:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I took that on a Civil War trip last year and don't plan to go back to the area any time soon. Hal Jespersen (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Mallory-Neely House
Hey Nyttend, I wrote that stub article about the Mallory-Neely House and a question arose. On the marker outside, it is stated that the house is in the National Register of Historic Places since 1972, the Tennessee Encyclopedia of History and Culture states likewise. When I searched the NRHP database, I could not find any entry for the house. However, the Victorian Village, in which the house is located is mentioned in the database with 9 buildings, of which the said house is one, and the date 1972 was mentioned for the entry of the Victorian Village. So, if the Victorian Village is in the NRHP, does that put the 9 buildings as single units in the Register, too? And would it be appropriate to state in the article that the house is in the NRHP and use the Infobox:nrhp? For now, I use the Infobox:building as I am not sure. Thanks in advance for the enlightenment! doxTxob \ talk 20:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

File:RogersvilleHistoricDistrict.jpg
Please be aware that images may only be deleted under CSD:F11 once they have been tagged with a warning (using {{subst:npd}}) for over 7 days. I have cancelled the pending speedy deletion of this image with that in mind. Stifle (talk) 15:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies: I thought that this tag was one of those delete-in-seven-days-if-nothing-improves, like the ones we place on orphaned nonfree images. Nyttend (talk) 15:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, you just had the wrong tag. In general, the "delete now" tags begin {{db-, and the "delete in a while" tags are {{subst:abc}} . In this case, you wanted {{subst:npd}}. Stifle (talk) 17:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

File:5D Rubik's Cube.png
I have undone your deletion of this image, it was not brought to my attention until after the deletion debate closed (not surprising as it was speedy closed as a copyvio). It is not, in fact, a copyvio; there is an OTRS ticket relating to images produced by this software which puts them in the public domain. The ticket was issued maybe a year ago but the uploader obviously was not aware of it.  Sp in ni ng  Spark  18:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

disambiguating
I was spot-checking in TN and found the dabbing work to be pretty well-done. But, there's one "Rhodes House" now with a (City, Tennessee) type disambiguating name to avoid the Rhodes House article about what is probably the world-wide primary use for the name. In this case, I will set up a Rhodes House (disambiguation) page and put an otheruses link at the top of the Rhodes House article. If there are any further cases u don't really want to do this extra kind of disambiguation for, please just let me know so i can get to them. It seems so crucial to me to identify the need for proper disambiguation to be set up, at time the NRIS-based tables are first pasted in. I'm not going to check more now. It is much easier to identify dab needs at the moment you know of them, before hiding by a (City, State) rename. Thanks! doncram (talk) 23:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * that one done, fyi. doncram (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Pennsylvania townships
We're almost through with the townships. The counties left are in the Pittsburgh area and the counties between Harrisburg and Philadelphia. Also the Darknessbot gets to the double redirects very quickly, sometimes before I even get a chance to myself. Dincher (talk) 00:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I did all the townships in Allegheny County except McCandless and Mt. Lebanon since their official names do not contain the word "Township". Is this OK? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thnaks for fixing my errors in Template:Allegheny County, Pennsylvania and sorry to have missed them. The official website for McCandless lists the name as "Town of McCandless" and the official website for Mt. Lebanon lists the name as "Mt. Lebanon". The Pennsylvania Manual (page 6-6) lists both as townships of the first class that have adopted home rule charters, see here Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 11:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the official Allegheny County website lists them as "Whatever Township" here. Most counties are officially "County of Whatever" but we list them as "Whatever County" with the other as a redirect, if even listed. I also note all the boroughs and cities are listed as "Borough of This" and "City of That", but we list them as "This, Pennsylvania" and "That, Pennsylvania". Ruhrfisch  &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I made redirects for both the oddballs last night at "Whatever Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania". I think the fact that they are listed under Townships on the County page and in the county navbox, as well as clearly being identified as townships on their pages is about as good as we can do for resolving the ambiguity. Thanks, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for getting Jefferson and Schuylkill. Dincher (talk) 16:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We have two counties left and also the defunct townships of Philadelphia. The two left are Montgomery County and Bucks County. I just moved 43 townships in Chester County. Bucks and Montgomery both have tons of uniquely named townships too. Upper and Lower this and East, West, North and South that. Dincher (talk) 21:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Tennessee NRHPs
You did table-ize all the Tennessee NRHPs that I didn't get, right? Just want to make sure before marking it off the list. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 18:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Joe jobbing put-in-bay.com
I think our Edgewater Hotel spammer (see MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/June 2009) is trying to bait us into blacklisting put-in-bay.com -- that's a Chamber of Commerce domain, not one of his. Certainly his edit summaries seem calculated to goad us into this; see Special:Contributions/65.43.193.9. This behaviour even has a name; it's known as a "Joe job".

I suggest that when he turns back up again with a new IP to spam a Chamber of Commerce link you just let the link stand and ignore him.

I blacklisted every Edgewater-related domain that I could find but I suspect our spammer owns more; I'll be happy to blacklist new ones as they reappear. Just list them at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist with a link to the June archive section above. If you're unsure as to the domain's ownership, let me know and I'll check them. I spent several hours researching the various domains and business relationships associated with our earlier Put-in-Bay spam and I kept those notes. -- A. B. (talk • contribs) 21:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Kingman County, Kansas
Sorry if I managed to end up changing official data on Kingman County, Kansas. I thought I'd been pretty careful about verifying that the primary figure was the same before and after my edit, but I'll go back to the Census data before seeing whether to take another stab at it. All I'm after is consistency as far as is possible, and if that means one or two get done manually then fair enough. --ClickRick (talk) 21:15, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I've been back to the census data (PDF and Excel spreadsheets) but don't see what I changed that went against them. After all, all I did was add templates which gave more accurate US-metric conversions. Can you help me out to see what got changed that shouldn't have? —ClickRick (talk) 23:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Deleting image file
Would like to know why you deleted Image:Robert Dziekanski Code Red.jpg the summary says it was "unused" but it was in use in the lead of this article see diffRomaC (talk) 11:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Hext, Texas
While I am fully aware that Hext is unincorporated and its population isn't tracked by the Census Bureau, I included the estimated population from the Texas Handbook with the phrase "as of 2000" instead of "at the 2000 census," which is used in incorporated community and CDP articles. In my unincorporated Texas community articles, I make every effort to mention that the figures provided by the Texas Handbook are only estimations or approximations meant to give the reader an idea of what size the respective community was in the past as well as the present.

In your opinion, would any of the following sentences be acceptable in the introductory paragraph of the Hext, Texas article?


 * "The population was estimated at 73 in 2000, according to the Texas Handbook."
 * "According to the Texas Handbook, the community had an estimated population of 73 in 2000."
 * "While no official census data is provided for unincorporated communities, the Texas Handbook estimated the population at around 73 as of 2000."
 * "The Texas Handbook estimated that the population was around 73 as of 2000, although no official census data is provided for unincorporated communities."

If one of them is, just let me know and I will immediately go through my articles and correct them with the more clarified sentence. Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 15:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for your assistance. I really appreciate it. --Acntx (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC).

Re: Totally unrelated to community populations...
While I am not one who travels around the state much, I was surprised to find that three sites are located in my city and the surrounding area. I'll try to get out and capture a few of them when time permits. Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 16:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC).

Put-in-Bay, Ohio
Hello. Your use of the rollback tool on the seemingly correct edit of a fellow admin here has me puzzled. The URL in question is actually a redirect to visitputinbay.com which is itself operated by the Put-in-Bay Chamber of Commerce and Visitors Bureau. While I could be mistaken, my understanding was that the local municipal government's URL normally goes in the "website" field of Infobox Settlement, rather than that of a local business interest. — Kralizec! (talk) 17:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the speedy response, and especially for clearing up my confustion.  Thank you, — Kralizec! (talk) 21:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Now our joe-jobber is getting down right funny! — Kralizec! (talk) 23:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The article on Embudo, New Mexico
which is also sort of the de facto article for the Embudo Station and the historic district untill something better comes along, stated that the station was reached by crossing a wooden bridge. That bridge was replaced by a concrete one, and that picture and caption could as easlily (perhaps more so ? ) fit in at the Embudo article. But I rushed out earlier to take these shots and wanted to get something posted in a hurry because the rest of my life was rapidly closing in on me, so what you ran into was what I did. It also was a bit of a throw back to our earlier discussion about which road the historic district was on and I want4ed to be cclear that what is down the way from me is in fact the historic district. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "The sign is quite unusual"
 * New Mexico is quite an unusual place. My guess is that the sign is the result of "who knew who " in the state legislature.

Carptrash (talk) 21:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

courthouses disambiguation
can we chat at wt:NRHP? doncram (talk) 23:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if i have strong opinion or not--honestly in most respects i don't really care at all--but wonder, did discussion so far move u? i mean transport u, like "send u"? :) doncram (talk) 11:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

George Jones Memorial Baptist Church
I still dispute several things regarding your article about this church. See the talk page for George Jones Memorial Baptist Church. --Orlady (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Since many of us use MSIE only when we absolutely have to, I figured it was worthwhile to provide the warning about a web application that requires it. Advance apologies if I give you the same warning in the future, as I am unlikely to remember who uses what browser.
 * I'm aware that there are many errors in the NRIS, most of which derive from errors on submission forms (including the mistaken placement of Post Oak Springs Christian Church in a place called "Post Oak" and that misspelling of "Wilberforce"). Suffice it to say that all properties in the "Oak Ridge Multiple Property Submission" mentioned in the GJMBC article are in Oak Ridge.
 * Sorry about the newsbank URLs. They worked 5 minutes before I posted the message; I guess they are generated on the fly and have already expired. I'll try to add more details so you can find them yourself. --Orlady (talk) 17:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Regarding place names, Tennessee has a lot of named places that aren't municipalities, so there is nothing at all unusual about NRIS registrations that list place names that aren't municipalities. With nearly half the population living outside municipalities (and even one county seat that is unincorporated), it stands to reason that many historic properties are in named places that have no official existence as cities or towns. Rugby, for example, is a discrete and real place that is a substantial distance from the nearest municipality. On the other hand, when entries like "Post Oak" appear on a form, it can take some time and effort to figure out whether they are real places. --Orlady (talk) 17:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that efforts to put newsbank links on the article talk page are futile. That link you posted on my user talk page doesn't work for me. --Orlady (talk) 19:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

A problem of sorts
Hey Nyttend, I saw you were on call. Please have a look at the contributions of User:Waynercook who's been busy redirecting and moving and reorganizing (and messing up) Red Deer--the animal, the city, and the disambiguation page. I don't believe such movements are OK, nor does there seem to be agreement. It's a lot of reverting and I don't mind doing it--but perhaps you have a special tool for it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've tried to undo some of the damage, but failed since I cannot execute the page move from Red Deer (animal) to Red Deer without destroying the history. Can you help, with your administrative powers? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (copy from my talk, for your convenience) I think so--thanks a lot for your help. I was afraid I had done more harm than good. Drmies (talk) 15:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Waynercook: Sorry if I have caused any problems here. My intent was to have a disambigaution rather than have a search go to a place that I know some find confusing. I have heard anumber of people say they look up Red deer (city) on Wikipedia and there is nothing. I think taking someone to an animal when they are looking for a city of about 100,000 people is not productive and a disambiguationis a better way. Though I am a published author and Fellow of a Royal Society (consequently concerned about ease of access to information and correct categorization) I do not have a lot of time to spend on Wikipedia and would appreciate guidance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.229.61.194 (talk) 16:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The first thing to do for a set of moves so drastic (and difficult: not all parts were executed correctly) is to get the community to agree to it, by discussing it on the talk pages, for instance. There is help available at Requested moves. Drmies (talk) 17:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Wellington, Ohio
I'm not sure if your edit to Wellington, Ohio intended to undo my coordinate change. If so, let me know what the problem is. I've restored the article to only use the coordinate in the info box in order to bring it in line with WP:USCITY. ✤ JonHarder talk 14:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Capitan, New Mexico Just curious: why for a community article? Nyttend (talk) 21:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC) Because that's the only way I know how to add a photo.Corsair1944 (talk) 16:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

could you restore a default name and warn admin Shereth to stop warring
Could you please help me by moving Painted Rocks (Arizona) to Painted Rocks (Theba, Arizona)? See talk at User talk:Shereth and my own talk page and at the AfD about Theba, Arizona. I cannot move it back to the same name, it takes an administrator. doncram (talk) 22:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please also see Talk:Painted Rocks (Arizona). Thanks.   Sher  eth  22:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nyttend, I guess the requested move discussion can take place where it is now, your assisting in moving it now would just add a further bit of confusion. Thanks for listening. doncram (talk) 00:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Population for Perdido Beach, Alabama
If you read the source article for town incorporation, it says that a count was done by a committee set up by the Probate Judge and the population was reported to the Probate Judge as 558. Therefore, I am restoring the population figure on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfelts (talk • contribs) 17:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Fayette County, Pennsylvania
I will do my best to remember. Thanks.  TastyPoutine  talk (if you dare) 22:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Captions in National Register of Historic Places listings in Utah
My reason for specifying "Salt Lake City" instead of "Salt Lake County" in those two captions is that Salt Lake City has its own separate list. Someone who is on that page is likely to click one of the individual lists next, and if they click on the Salt Lake County one they won't see either of the two properties that claim to be there. I just thought it was more intuitive that way. Ntsimp (talk) 23:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Bartlesville Civic Center
Hey there,

Yep, the Civic Center is on the June 12th update list, noted as removed. The only link I could find about demolition was the one from the Oklahoma Historical Society here. The second to last paragraph mentions all the NRHP in Washington County, including "the now demolished Bartlesville Civic Center (NR 89002122)". Rest assured, I won't remove something from the list until the NRHP does. Hope this helps! 25or6to4 (talk) 03:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

"edited navboxes and relieved creep"
I thought it looked bad to have a half-dozen or so navboxes at the bottom of articles. The boxes seemed to be 'creeping' up from the bottom. I found a macro which essentially collapses navboxes into one, which opens and closes and shows all the navboxes inside when opened. All the boxes are still there,  I just left the current one on the page and tucked in the legacy navbars into the collapsed box. It gives the section a cleaner appearance. Bwmoll3 (talk) 12:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Illahe, Oregon
Hi Nyttend. With respect, I don't think removing information from the gnis citation as you just did with Illahe, Oregon, is a good idea because the change means the citation no longer meets the Manual of Style guidelines for citations. WP:CITE suggests including, where possible, author, title, publisher, url, date of publication, and access date. The gnis citations without information such as the access date will not pass FAC and might well encounter trouble elsewhere. Finetooth (talk) 22:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Unincorporated places vs. township websites
Regarding the Parkman Township link on Parkman, Ohio: I've noticed many articles on unincorporated communities which only seem to have individual articles only because they have their own ZIP codes. If they didn't, they likely would only be listed in the article of their respective townships, in states with townships like Ohio (among the places are many in Geauga County), and therefore the issue of putting a township website link in another article would not come up. This is a special case, since it seems that most ZIP codes are assigned to post offices in municipalities and townships themselves. In this case, any official information about the respective unincorporated communities would be on the respective township website, since those communities technically don't exist from the standpoint of government. It's logical only to put the respective links on the township articles, because the unincorporated community articles will likely have wikilinks to the respective townships, but IMO the links should still go on the unincorporated community articles as well since WP users likely will have little to no understanding of the governmental setup and will likely assume that there is no official information on the unincorporated community, rather than clicking on the township wikilink to continue looking for the website link. (Note that I added a descriptive comment after the Parkman Township link to distinguish between Parkman and Parkman Township.)

I don't like doing straight reverts after an edit by an established editor and try to avoid them, so I figured that an explanation was in order. Mapsax (talk) 22:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Opinion
Hey when you get a chance, could you look at Theodore Roosevelt High School (Kent, Ohio) edit history? I have a couple of new editors who insist on making repeated changes that aren't in the best nature for the article. I would like an outside opinion on how I'm handling it. --JonRidinger (talk) 22:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes thank you. I have every intention of expanding the sports section much as I have the history and academics section, using the featured article Plano Senior High School as a general guide.  Great suggestions.  I guess my view is that a small list is better than nothing as far as explaining the athletics since there are only 25 sports.  My plan is to have subheadings for the most notable and successful teams rather than having them divided by season.  The issue really came up because a user added the entire course list to the article (over 200 courses) and I removed it citing WP:NOT.  The championships section was added uniformally to a lot of high school articles, but can easily be worked into a written section.  As for the alma mater, I checked the Schools Wikiproject and it does provide a place for school songs as long as they are referenced.  I replaced the first verse with the reference to the school's handbook.  --JonRidinger (talk) 03:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, 25 is counting two teams for basketball, two for track, etc. (boys and girls). Roosevelt is a suburban-type school and it's a fairly normal number for the suburban schools closer to Akron and Cleveland, but generally not in Portage County since the county is mostly rural.  There are several sports where Roosevelt does not compete with anyone else in their league (their league includes all but one school in Portage County) since no one else has the sport, like field hockey, ice hockey, swimming, and lacrosse.  My "only 25" was I guess more in reference to the length of the list, especially after the one editor added a list with over 200 courses to the article.  As for the song, yeah I definitely see your point, though I know for the Roosevelt Alma Mater at least it's a generic set of words.  The original sheet music is very old and has "Roosevelt" penciled in to the blanks since it's an "insert your school here" alma mater.  But thanks again for your suggestions.  As you saw in the edit history and my user talk page, it was getting pretty crazy.  Even funnier is the article has sat for quite some time with hardly any activity, then all the sudden... --JonRidinger (talk) 05:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw your note on the Schools Wikiproject talk page. Let me know if anything comes of it if I don't see anything myself.  I really don't care either way.  It's the freakin' Alma Mater for goodness sakes.  If it's there, cool, if not, it really doesn't make that much difference in the article as a whole, especially since you don't even know the tune just by reading the words (though it is a somewhat familiar tune).  Like you, I'm more concerned about copyright issues than anything.  If we are violating copyright, by all means it should be removed.  --JonRidinger (talk) 22:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Farmington Canal in Hartford
I'm pretty sure the Farmington Canal never even comes close to the city of Hartford. It passes through Farmington at its closest (two towns west). Do you know where you found this bit of information? I would have reverted it but Doncram might get even more upset at me :P --Polaron | Talk 02:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have gone ahead and removed the mention that the Farmington Canal extends into the city of Hartford. I think you may have just been confused by the abreviation "cty" in the database, which in this case means "county". --Polaron | Talk 03:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Please don't be hard-headed about this. I am sure about this one. Not all routes between New Haven and Northampton, Mass., have to pass through Hartford. Look at the Farmington Canal article for details. The route follows Route 10 which passes west of Hartford. This is the precise sequence of towns: New Haven, Hamden, Cheshire, Southington, Plainville, Farmington, Avon, Simsbury, Easr Granby (the trail veers into Granby but the original railroad stayed in East Granby), Suffield. Do you have any evidence it passed through Hartford. What towns do you think it passed through then?

Here's another map that shows how one can go from New Haven to Suffield (in Hartford County) without passing through the city of Hartford. --Polaron | Talk 05:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You seem to be correct, Polaron. The Farmington Valley Greenway trail (which follows the canal line railroad route) most definitely avoids Hartford. --Orlady (talk) 04:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies for that unnecessary comment. When I saw this discussion, I was surprised by it (I would have assumed that the canal went through Hartford), so I checked it out myself. So basically all I was saying was "me, too." --Orlady (talk) 04:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Catholic churches in Hawaii

 * You're welcome. I think we're both on the same side on this one-- I don't want 20 articles about churches that aren't notable in their own right.  I think it is somewhat unfair that these can get classified as "parishes in a diocese" rather than churches in a city, since it favors hierarchical organizations (Roman Catholic, Episcopalian, Greek Orthodox, etc.) over membership organizations, but I doubt that an attempt to delete an article about a diocese would work because of notability; on the other hand, "Methodist churches in Oahu" would probably not stand  Mandsford (talk) 02:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Southport Historic District (Fairfield, Connecticut)
It appears to me that the short-term protection on Southport Historic District (Fairfield, Connecticut) expired 3 days ago. Is there still some vestigial protection that I can't see? --Orlady (talk) 04:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:Your userpage
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it although I can't take credit for it. Like you, I found it on someone else's userpage. And getting Eagle was a bit of a big deal for me. I had to beat my brother. He got his at 15. I got mine at 14. ;-) Dismas |(talk) 23:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

CT NRHP HDs
Hi Nyttend. I appreciate your involvement so far in the discussions at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Connecticut and in related articles. I've just posted an RFC discussion there. I wonder if you would be willing, if it is consistent with your role, to police Polaron's edits a bit and to enjoin him to stop with redirects and new HD and new neighborhood articles, until a community consensus decision is reached. I believe it is obvious he has accelerated his actions in order to confound and go around discussion which I already tried to open, and to make it more difficult for the community to take a different consensus decision than his personal preference. I believe it is just causing more work for later, in deleting numerous redirects and articles later, and in revising numerous articles later, and in checking and fixing wikilinks elsewhere. I also just asked User:Orlady, the one other administrator who has familiarity with the discussion, to consider this same request. doncram (talk) 01:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I made a lot of edits to make a dent in the impact Polaron has had, and to raise the similar issues for other CT NRHPs. I also added substantial content.  Now I find he is going through my edits to revert them using Twinkle.  Isn't that tantamount to using Rollback, which has already been discussed as taboo in a content dispute? doncram (talk) 11:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Native
So you don't care what American Indians think but you care what I think. Hyacinth (talk) 02:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Aside from my comment above, what did I say about you? Hyacinth (talk) 02:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If you are not willing to engage in conversation, I am do not know how to respond. Hyacinth (talk) 03:24, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Crathlintus
I enjoyed the challenge. It was a good question, and the answers were fun to find. I was delighted to discover David Chalmers. :) Gwinva (talk) 04:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added more regarding your "prefacer to Knox", and Palladius. You've got me quite intrigued by the whole thing; most interesting ref desk question for ages. Gwinva (talk) 10:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Cedar Haven and Roseland Plantation
There is no published source for the demolition of Cedar Haven that I've found, but I've confirmed it through the Marengo County Historical Society (I'm also from the area originally and have visited the site post-demolition). I know that adding the fact that it is demolished falls under OR, but I thought it important to acknowledge that the structure itself is no longer extant. It was demolished after the publication of the book that I cited. (If you're interested, there's a photo on my Flickr account of the house before it fell apart and the remainder was bulldozed: http://www.flickr.com/photos/altairisfar/3081829436/). When I considered the massive amounts of what looks like OR on many of our other NRHP articles, I didn't think this piece of info was too far over the line, considering that you can confirm it by using the (very accurate in this case) coordinates to see that nothing is present at the site, other than some barns and outbuildings across the road.

Both of these sites have not been delisted from the NRHP as far as I'm aware and I don't think that they're likely to be delisted anytime soon, since the archaeological significance of both sites was noted in the original nomination forms. Just look at all of our photos of parking lots in Detroit, those sites are still listed too. :) BTW, great work doing clean-up on the articles and lists, I've noticed that you've hard at work for the last several days. I'd been meaning to remove the common names from the NRHP boxes on the articles I'd done before we had determined that only the NRHP listing name should be in the infobox, but never got around to it. There's probably another couple dozen of mine that still need it, but I lack the energy at present. Regards.   Altairisfar  talk  05:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That particular photo belongs to a relative who let me post it to Flickr, but it has to remain "All Rights Reserved." So it can't go on Commons.  Most of my Flickr photos are also on Commons under my unified username, Altairisfar, about 900 or so. I actually first discovered that Cedar Haven had been demolished when I made a special trip back home to photograph the NRHP sites there, if you look at my contributions, you'll see that I usually go through a lot of trouble to have a photo on my articles (even if I have to do a little benign trespassing).  Although I no longer reside there, I have checked local newspapers, with no results.  I spent a great deal of my time attempting to find info on Cedar Haven for that little stub.  I hate original research, or the appearance of it, too.  If leaving the demolition of Cedar Haven in the article is a problem, feel free to remove it, or it can just be mentioned on the talk page.   Altairisfar  talk  05:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Marion, Connecticut edit war
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Marion Historic District (Connecticut). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. The edit war is also occurring in Marion (Southington). --Orlady (talk) 14:55, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.

Nyttend (talk) 17:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You really should talk things over with him, yes. It's not necessary you do it now if you don't feel like it, but the point of these blocks (as you know) is to get the warring to stop so that discussion can start again. It's probably a good idea to back off for a little bit anyway. If you two need a mediator or something, let me know and I'll see what I can do. And you're welcome. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 02:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Self-review of my administrative actions
You had asked me to review your unblock request. IMO, once the request has been made, it should be handled by someone else, so as to more appropriately represent consensus. I prefer to allow others to review my actions as a constant self-check.

On the other hand, in my subsequent review of the block, the events had technically simmered down (there was more than one article in which the two of you were edit-warring) and could have been resolved without a block. In no way was it meant to be punitive. It had been my understanding that anyone violating 3RR should be blocked immediately no matter what. However, since being given "the tools," I haven't really come across too many 3RRs, so if I misunderstood the policies and practices, or was otherwise misinformed at that time, I am now more aware of the language used in the current policy. Most 3RRs are caught by admins already watching the articles, or otherwise sitting on the edges of their seats, waiting to pounce. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 16:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Downtown Troy
I'm not going to opine about the edit war, but please don't delete redirects like Downtown Troy. There's no way that was an "implausible redirect". --NE2 15:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Home Rule
The discussion was on the talk page for the Allegheny County, Pennsylvania navbox at Template talk:Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. My thought remains that we should leave municipalities where they are (city, borough, township) but add an asterisk to show that they are Home Rule communities, just as there is now a footnote for communities in more than one county. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Hudson County template
The nature of of Hudson County, New Jersey is such that it is a collection of municpalities, but also urban conglomeration that functions as a city. Fragmenting the geographical locations in the article skews that fact. An attempt to make the template more inclusive is one way to speak to that that issue. There are other templates which include other info, such as CDPs Berkshire County, Massachusetts or community boards New York County, New York. These are, of course, "official". Whether to include geographihc locations is debatable, but then again is the function of the template. Is it meant to give readers easy (one click) access about a place?Thoughts?Djflem (talk) 12:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Chester County
I hadn't thought of splitting out a township. But would removing 46 listings in a 300+ list make a noticeable difference? -- D.B. talk • contribs 16:51, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Elk, Kansas
I did find a reference in the obituary of Mrs. Carrie Collett from 1924 that made reference to Elk, Kansas in Chase County, Kansas. You may want to look at the talk page about the deletion of Elk, Kansas.Thanks-RFD (talk) 22:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Scottish kings
I've added more...thanks for the intriguing question; I'm enjoying the discovery. (Although it is distracting me from the work I should be doing!) Gwinva (talk) 22:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Iowa
It's Google Maps. I usually find the place I'm creating an article on in Google Maps (either with the name or with the coordinates from the GNIS) and see if there are any highways (or rivers, etc.) running through it. --TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. For that matter, I already did, with a river that's nearly impossible to spell. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 00:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Invite

 * I remember seeing a string of edits by you on Wesley Clark presidential campaign, 2004 and other articles. Your username came to my mind when I decided to send out a few invites today. --William S. Saturn (talk) 00:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Rock Art in the Southern Black Hills TR
Noticed your conversation with Doncram. If you still need it, the file is. --Polaron | Talk 02:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Archaeology help
Your original message: You've worked a lot with Iowa archeology; do you know if you could help me with South Dakota? Over 15% of its listings, including virtually everything in Fall River and Harding counties, are restricted-address archaeology sites, and I'd like to create broader (perhaps by-county) articles to which many of these sites could redirect. And if you don't think you could help directly, do you know of any websites I could use and/or WP editors whom I could ask? Nyttend (talk) 13:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This is outside of my geographical range, but a lot of the sites are discussed in Storied stone By Linea Sundstrom; her book can be found on Google Book. Hope this helps! Bill Whittaker (talk) 14:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Re WP:MPS
Sure but you may want to assign specific ranges to people so that multiple people aren't doing the same thing. I already have state names A-D compiled so I'll start with that. --Polaron | Talk 21:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: MPS names
I have the Microsoft Access version of the NRIS database and the last column is the MPS name (if present). I sort then sort by state then by the MPS name, eliminating duplicates in the exported list. --Polaron | Talk 13:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This link might be helpful to get the MPS names if you don't have database software. You have split the MPS (refnum begins with 645) from the TR/MRA (begins with 640). --Polaron | Talk 13:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The Access version of the database is found here. --Polaron | Talk 14:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Rogersville, TN images
You deleted four images related to Rogersville, TN because of apparent copyright concerns; you asked for evidence of the Chamber's licensing. I am a volunteer for the Chamber, and I uploaded their images based upon verbal permission. If you require authenticated permissions, you may contact the Chamber offices at 1-423-272-2186 (US phone number) (confirm phone number at www.rogersvillechamber.us ) or by emailing hawkinschamber@chartertn.net.

Once you're satisfied, I'll attempt re-posting. Diezba (talk) 16:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Toddlers & Tiaras
Hello,

You deleted this article earlier today as an expired PROD (technically it had a few hours left before it expired, but that is not important). I would like to contest this PROD "after the fact" and have the article undeleted. Per WP:OUTCOMES TV programs that air on major networks are usually considered notable, and TLC would always certainly qualify. Additionally, the program can be shown to meet the GNG per significant coverage in multiple reliable sources.

Thank you, ThaddeusB (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I re-created it from scratch per your suggestion. If you think there is any GFDL reason to restore the history, please do so.  Otherwise no further action is necessary. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Wirtland
Since the discussion was spammed on external sites, SPA/sockpuppet !voting would have likely continued even after the relist. As such, I think it's better to wait a few weeks and re-nominate it then. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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Iowa
I feel the urge to pull you on to the Iowa GA crusade! Would you be interested? I have started User:Ctjf83/Iowa for some ideas on what needs to be done, feel free to add/modify it!!  C T J F 8 3 Talk 03:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, time to learn then! :) No, it's no problem, thanks anyway!  C T J F 8 3 Talk 04:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Maps for Denver Neighborhoods
Thanks for your helpful advice on using maps to determine Denver neighborhoods. The ones you point to are the best ones I know of, and they are not too useful. One is precise but hard to use and slow to load, the other lacks sufficient street names. Even locals will have trouble determining which historic sites fall in neighborhoods they are unfamiliar with. The work to add the neighborhoods to the neighborhoods column on the Denver NRHP page will be slow, and I am wondering if some other method of dividing up the page, such as alphabetically, might be better. Thanks again. Denverjeffrey (talk) 12:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Sig
Yes, I added the clue bat. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 15:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Philadelphia
It's been a long time since I started reorganizing them that I've forgotten alot of what of done in the beginning. I do know that there was a delisting and, now that I think about it, there was a listing sometime before the delisting. It was late when I updated the tally and so, I may have been the one to make the error. -- D.B. talk • contribs 20:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably not. I've caught duplicated listings before (caused when I would forget where I left off when sorting them). -- D.B. talk • contribs 02:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Sedgwick County, Kansas
No worries ... I figured that was what happened. --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Historic district categories
Thanks for your efforts to put HDs into state categories. We'll still need to check the whole U.S. category to make sure that all auto-categorized pages are properly slotted in state categories, but manual checking of already-categorized articles goes much faster than manual categorizing.

I see that you tagged Category:Historic Districts in Indiana for speedy renaming, but I don't see where it ever got added to Categories for discussion/Speedy. (I may just now see it, but my guess is that you got distracted by real life...) In addition to that category, it looks like Category:Historic Districts in Richmond, Indiana, Category:Registered Historic Districts in Indianapolis, Indiana, and Category:Registered Historic Districts in New Albany, Indiana deserve similar treatment. --Orlady (talk) 15:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Woodstock snowy night
Well, maybe "famous" is an overstatement, but I think it's reasonably well known in the photography world. You can buy posters of it; I just searched for "Woodstock snowy night" on Google Images and it was the first five hits. Eubulides (talk) 15:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

WTF?
Why was my edit on Hilo reverted? Ryan Higa does hail from Hilo... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.148.119 (talk) 17:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

MPSs
I took a quick glance at that list, but haven't really gone in to play with it yet. I just decided yesterday that by putting the MPSs on the main state/county lists would add context to the individual properties. Quite spur of the moment. Einbierbitte (talk) 21:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Kittredge Building
I'll do my best to clear up the confusion. The Paramount Cafe is also in the Kittredge Building, yet it has a different address despite being in the same building. The document that states the Paramount Theater's address as 519 16th street is in error, for that is the address of the Paramount Cafe; someone must have confused the two while writing the document.

Now the building next to the Kittredge Building, on the other side of the alley with the car in it in the Google Maps street view, is actually the Masonic Building, and its official address is around the corner at 1614 Welton St. I also shot this building yesterday and added its (not very good) photo, and I decided to shoot its Welton St. side (rather than it's 16th St. Mall side) because the Welton address is the one listed for that building. Also, it's hard to photograph buildings on the mall with all the trees in the way.

Regarding that DOI document, can you point me towards one for the Wheeler House at 1917 W. 32nd Ave.? I shot that house and added its photo but was confused because the house doesn't look very 'historic.' I confirmed and re-confirmed the address of the house I photographed. Thanks, Denverjeffrey (talk) 11:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Now I am confused. An architect friend whose office used to be in the Kittredge Building says the Paramount Theatre used to be part of the Kittredge Building. Still, the building and the theatre have two separate listings on the NRHP. I think your picture of the K. building is better than mine, so if you want to replace my picture with it, no problem (except the file name is confusing). Thanks for the suggestion to email NPS for more information on the Wheeler House; they responded affirmatively and will send the document. Denverjeffrey (talk) 20:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Uncommunicated Corporatrions
Yeah, I wasn't quite sure how to add in the "Unincorporated Communities" into the Template and didn't want to risk messing it up. Thanks for that. :) - Warthog Demon  23:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)