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USRD Newsletter - Issue 3

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Active user verification
Hello,. Due to the high number of inactive users at WP:USRD, we are asking that you verify that you are still an active contributor of the project. To do so, please add an asterisk (*) after your name on WikiProject U.S. Roads/Newsletter/List. Users without one by the next issue in 2 weeks will be removed off the list and off the respective road projects as well. If you have any questions, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks.  V 6 0  VTalk · VDemolitions 20:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

All Interstate 10 links filled
Just in case you're interested, all state-specific Interstate 10 articles have been added. The ones for Alabama, Mississippi, and New Mexico are incomplete though, and the new exit list for Arizona has deleted the templates, links and categories at the bottom of the page. DanTD 20:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Template:Infobox IN State Road
Yeah, I created it before I knew infobox road existed aways back. I voted delete on TFD. --Holderca1 22:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Route 191 vs 281
Hey there. Regarding which is longer, US 191 or US 281, would the wording 'longest continuous U.S. route' work for US 281, since there's a break in 191 at Yellowstone Park? Let me know. 25or6to4 12:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely. It's already being used at US 20 and 6.  V 6 0  VTalk ·  VDemolitions  ·  VRoads 20:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Map of State Interstate shields.svg
Hi. I'd like to request the map be updated so that Connecticut is colored turquoise. I am definitely sure Connecticut currently uses a mix of both blank and state-labelled Interstate shields. Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 19:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you give me at least 10 examples of this?  V 6 0  VTalk · VDemolitions  ·  VRoads 19:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why 10? Are you saying you don't believe me? Why are you treating me like I'm sort of bad person? For one, check the reference you linked to in the image page. You can also check the collection here and also these:


 * Please assume good faith next time. Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 20:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * While you're at it, you should probably fix Nevada too. --Polaron | Talk 20:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) All right, I'll update it. Just checking, since there will soon be a general criteria for inclusion—a state must have at least 10 examples of that characteristic before I (or someone else) can change the image.  Please provide 10 examples for Nevada also.  V 6 0  VTalk ·  VDemolitions  ·  VRoads 20:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Illinois State Route
Are you planning on implementing the existing seealso parameter? &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 02:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The see also parameter will be incorporated into the browse using "type=Interstate" and "type=US". We at WP:USRD are aware of this and it will be fixed ASAP. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Why delete my image?
Why would you consider deleting my image? I will just upload it again. I made that shield with Paint Shop Pro, and I have released all copyright. Leave it alone; I'll make use of it elsewhere. Mphamilton 22:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you reupload it, it will be speedy deleted. Please follow Wikipedia Image policy. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 22:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

PA 145 infobox
I'm kind of confused here. You reverted my edit on the major junctions and refered me to WP:USRD. However, WikiProject Pennsylvania State Highways says that "any major junctions - junctions with limited-access highways, Interstates and U.S. highways - along the route should be listed [as major routes]". Since PA Route 329 and PA Route 222 are not limited access, so, the way I read it, they shouldn't be listed as "major junctions". --Memberx0 18:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahh, but you might be mistaken. PA 145 is a pretty short route, and there aren't many junctions with numbered routes, either.  Shorter routes have more lenient rules in the infobox because of their shorter nature.  V 6 0  VTalk ·  VDemolitions  ·  VRoads 19:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Schuylkill Expressway article
I noticed you have listed yourself as an active maintainer of Schuylkill Expressway. I have just rewritten the article substantially and I am curious to know what you think about it and/or how it could be improved further. I'm hoping we can get this article up to GA status too!

(By the way thank you for your kind words in my editor review!) Krimpet (talk/review) 21:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 4

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WP:NJSCR Newsletter #3
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USRD Newsletter - Issue 5

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Junction list fix
Thanks for the junction list fix. I spent several hours yesterday trying to figure out what I was doing wrong (the instructions are not very clear). Again, thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cascadia (talk • contribs).

USRD Newsletter - Issue 6

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GIS data...
It depends on which state you're looking for. Some of the states have good and detailed data (Texas), some states have restricted or unavailable data (Illinois/NY). An OK starter set might be the National Transportation Atlas Database 2006 (http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_atlas_database/2006/) It's good, but not great. That's mainly why there's still a backlog of maps at the MTF, because the NTAD has a few missing highways and the specific states still needed have restricted data. 25or6to4 11:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Commons moves
(moved from main talk page)

Which pics are you talking about? Daniel Case 01:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 7

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"Route US 60"
I've reverted your edits regarding Missouri abbreviations again. A search of the MoDOT website yields 13 results for "Route I-70", compared to over 600 for I-70. Please use common sense. -- NORTH talk 22:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See Template talk:Infobox MO Route for the reason why it's Route US x or Route I-x. If that had not been true, I'd have never made those changes anyway.  V 6 0  干什么？ ·  VDemolitions  ·  VRoads (路) 23:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree strongly, and would like to see the source Scott got those quotes from, and what context they were in. I think the search I provided above shows that MoDOT drops the "Route" far more often than not.  Like I said, I think it's common sense.  That being said, I don't think I've ever touched a Missouri article, so I'm not sure how much say I have (nor how much I care).  If you want to re-revert me, go ahead, but I'd much prefer if it were done after wider discussion on-wiki. -- NORTH talk 00:04, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * After more thought, I think I may be able to shed more light on it. Scott's quotes refer to signage.  It doesn't say anything about how to refer to it in normal text, for instance newspapers, encyclopedias, or MoDOT's own website. -- NORTH talk 00:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

GA nom for U.S. Route 9 in New York
Since we'd discussed this eventuality in the past, I am letting you know I am now going ahead and doing it. Since the turnover for road GA noms seems to be low (only one other one there right now), we may know sooner rather than later.

I hope, I hope ... I have good feelings about this (helps to have another article I worked hard on just make GA). Daniel Case 04:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, that was quick! Thanks a lot! I had expected it to be there longer! Daniel Case 12:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 8

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Re: WP:HWY
What I'm advocating is that the WP:TRAIL diagrams be used to replace tables of exits and features. For example, Indiana State Road 2 or Ontario Provincial Highway 11. Surely, with custom highway icons and possibly some changes to the diagram layout, a diagram is more readable than a table? Vagary 23:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I suppose it could be an aesthetic judgement. A diagram can combine exit listings with details about number of lanes, exit types, under/overpasses, rest stops, etc. And it's more standardized than the proliferation of tables right now, which would make it easier to compare roads at a glance. It would be interesting to put a diagram against a table in a straw poll... Vagary 21:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 9

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County Road 702 (Palm Beach County, Florida)
Hi, I'd like to know... how is this road sufficently notable for inclusion? If you have removed the prod - what would be your arguement for keeping the article at AfD? The article has been tagged as lacking notability since September 2006. You removed the prod without adding sufficient information to justify removing the Notability tag. If you feel the article should be kept, could you please improve it to a point where the Notability tag is no longer applicable?

Thanks, Garrie 02:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Because the prod is way too controversial to even be a prod. ( [ →] zel zany  - new age roads) 02:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, so it isn't a speedy... I thought it was a speedy, two others thought it a prod was justified, and now you're telling me it's that controversial a prod that you removed the prod without an explanatory note in the edit statement or a comment on the talk page. Sorry, but "too controversial to even be a prod" is a non-reason. "It's a widget, because it's a widget" doesn't tell anyone what a widget is. Where's the controversy? What inclusion criteria does this road meet?'' If I knew that I wouldn't have asked why you removed the prod.Garrie 02:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There are associated discussions going on at WT:N/HWY. Also, please stay cool, as it seems like you're already starting to lose it. ( [ →] zel  zany  - new age roads) 03:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The PROD process was designed and implemented to keep uncontroversial subjects off AFD, thus reducing AFD's workload to only subjects that warranted a discussion. Saying that the PROD is too controversial is not a non-reason; it's entirely on-base. Controversial issues should be taken to AFD every time. —Scott5114↗ 04:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree that controversial issues should go to AfD. What I wanted to know was what makes this a controversial issue, because notability isn't asserted in the article and no supporting comments were included when the prod tag was removed.Garrie 00:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry if it seemed I was loosing my cool. I'm not. I just was not getting an actual answer to my question, just a lot of Yes Minister style responses. But now you have pointed me to somewhere an actual discussion about this particular road is happening I am much more satisfied.Garrie 00:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * All of the above would have been easily avoided with a "please see Wikipedia talk:Notability (highways)" in the edit comment when the speedy and / or prod tags were removed.Garrie 00:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

PASH newsletter - Issue 001

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WP:PASH newsletter - Issue 2

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 10

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PA 39
I've made changes to PA 39. Was that what you meant? --myselfalso 19:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Delaware Turnpike and SC shields
I saw you created the Penn Tpk shield and it looks great! I was wondering if you could create one for the Del Tpk cause I constantly get it removed since the one that's on WP is the "fair use" one. Could you help, please? Thanks! EaglesFanInTampa 01:16, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I almost forgot. Could you please do an SC 300 also?  I need it for the US 301 page.  Thanks again, and enjoy your vacation! EaglesFanInTampa 01:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Two replies, since you have inquired about two things:
 * Delaware Turnpike shield: if I create a vector version of it, it would still be fair use, since the design of it is complicated and original enough to fall under copyright. We still need to find out when the shield was first published though, because there is a possibility that it might be in the public domain.
 * SC 300 shield: I'd be happy to create the shield for you, however I am currently away from my regular computer at the moment (vacation). Once I get back there by the beginning of September, I should be able to create it.
 * Cheers, ( [ →]O - RLY?) 08:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

An important letter
Dear roads editor,

You may have noticed some changes at WP:USRD lately. Some of them, like the cleanup templates and the stub templates, have been astounding and great. Unfortunately, others have been disturbing.

This has become evidenced by the departure of a few prominent editors at USRD, a few RFC's, and much fighting among USRD editors.

After the second RFC, many of us found the opportunity to take a step away from Wikipedia for a while--as a self-imposed wikibreak, or possibly on vacation.

The result of such introspection was that many of us were placing ourselves in a "walled garden" and on a self-imposed pedestal of authority over the roads department. Also, we were being hostile to a few users who were not agreeing with us.

In fact, IRC has been the main incarnation of this "walled garden." Decisions have been made there to conduct grudges and prejudices against a few valued USRD users with poor justification.

For this, we have come to apologize. We have come to ask your forgiveness.

In addition to this, we hope to work as one USRD team from now on and to encourage cooperation instead of the promotion of interests.

All users are welcome to collaborate on IRC, the newsletter, or anywhere else at USRD.

In the future, please feel free to approach us about any issues you may have.

Regards,

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 11

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Image:Map of State Interstate shields.svg
FYI: It looks as though this may need to be updated, as some people have put in notes of changes (whether true or not, I don't know), but what I do know is true is Maryland and Florida should actually be labeled mixed, as some new signs in both states have the state names, while others don't. Not sure if you need a source, though; best thing I can do is get pics of the Florida roads. It's not a top-priority by any means. In fact, my first post from back in the beginning of the month is much more important to my tasks than this, but I figured I'd just give you a heads-up, esp. because of the ensuing discussion on WT:MDRD about this particular topic.

BTW, how was your trip? EaglesFanInTampa 00:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Kansas shields
Now that you're back, you might want to familiarize yourself with the changes that took place in USRD: among other things, the project banners have been overhauled into one universal banner for all projects (with a state parameter for the proper shield and cat), cleanup templates being included as a parameter to that banner.

Also, since I see you've mass-made shields in the past, would you be willing to do the same for Kansas? There's two versions floating out there (both SVG, both with the same naming scheme): the older, smaller version with gold piping around the border, and the larger, pattern-accurate version without the border. A lot of shields are missing and a few need converting to the correct format. Thanks if you can help. —Scott5114↗ 17:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 12

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Salem County shields
Welcome back! Hope your trip was beyond relaxing and enjoyable.

I'm not trying to be a pain in your rear, but since Northenglish is gone, I've gotta find someone else to help me with my shields. When you find some time, would you be able to make shields for the list I created here? Of course, one thing at a time, and these can wait until you get around to them. As soon as you get those done (along with my other ones I requested back in August...no hurry on those, either), please let me know so I can get to work turning the red links to blue. Thanks again for all your help, and if you ever need anything from me, let me know! EaglesFanInTampa 15:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

U.S. 50 Junctions
I'm leaving this comment in hopes to settle a little conflict. :) With all due respect, US 395 is the more major junction in Nevada rather then US 95 and US 93. Can we both agree on US 395? I would've contacted you sooner, but I'm fairly new at this. I thought I was arguing with someone else. So still trying to figure my way around with this editing stuff.  No hard feelings? :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mm555 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, no hard feelings. It looks like everyone agreed on US 395 on the talk page, and those kinds of pages should be used should you be in a dispute or if you may change something that could result in controversy.  Sorry if I had lost my cool there, as I may have been upset about other things, but all in all, welcome to Wikipedia. —O (说 • 喝) 21:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll keep that in mind. In a way I should thank you, as it has now changed the way I edit pages on here :). I guess you can still call me a "newbie" hehe. Mm555 (PST) 16:05, 11 September 2007

USRD Newsletter - Issue 13

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 14

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WP:NJSCR Newsletter 6
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USRD Newsletter - Issue 15

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 16

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USRD Newsletter - Volume 1, Issue 17

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U.S. Roads Newsletter, Issue 1

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 2

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 3

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PA Route 32
Dear Vishwin60,

I am sorry if I added something that shouldn't have been. I am somewhat new to the editing of Wiki Pages. Roads are my #1 interest and I know a lot about the roads in my area (Lehigh Valley, PA), so I try to add what I can. Do you know if there is an official set of guidelines put out by Wikipedia for editing road pages. If there is, please send it to me.

Thank you, Bluestar301. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bluestar301 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter, Issue 4
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USRD Newsletter, Issue 5
Apologies for the late delivery; here is the June edition of the newsletter.


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USRD Newsletter, Issue 6 (FINAL ISSUE)

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April 2010 USRD newsletter

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