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Tabon Caves
My postings and photographs of Tabon Caves has already been a subject of a wiki dispute. It is certainly not original research to take a photograph of an object nor same it appears or seems to look like. It is up to viewer to see for themselves. I live near the caves and have over a thousand photos within the caves. The campaign of Western centric cave lovers against Tabon Caves and Niaah Caves is surprising active. Come to the Philippines to see for yourself before deleting photos of the caves. Everything I do is reviewed by the National Museum of the Philippines. They consider my photographs and my ability to find what others cannot see "amazing". One thing I make certain to do is only show photos of cave areas that cannot be touched by visitors. I have been given access to the closed areas of the caves but do not show or even hint of far more incresible things in these caves to help keep out unwanted elements like those that destroyed Niaah Cave paintings. Contact Larry Prill at the Quezon Museum. You must remember this is a poor nation and a rarely visited cave. However that doesnt mean the images do not exist. Go ahead and file another dispute if you like. Philip MaisePbmaise (talk) 22:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You are correct that it is not original research to take a photograph of an object; and I was hoping to leave at least a few of your photographs, but I believe I ended up removing them all. :( What I would say, is that a photograph like the one at right is not helpful without a source describing that as a man-made feature.  Has the National Museum of the Philippines published any of your work? If so, we can cite that as it is a published source. (It doesn't have to be available on-line; it just has to exist.) Is there anything in writing in an reliable source that indicates these features are or may be man-made, or is it just your opinion?
 * Believe me, I don't want to "campaign against Tabon Caves" or whitewash the history of mankind in the caves. Sourced material still in the article makes it clear that people were actively using the cave some 50,000 years ago.  However, just because people were in the cave doesn't mean that every dark blotch on the wall is man-made.  Pareidolia can easily make people see elephants and what-not in naturally occurring geologic features. Wikipedia needs to stick to what the sources say about what is and is not man-made. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 12:57, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see someone has published material on some of your findings. Do you have photos showing the "The Great Sphinx of Palawan"? That article does a credible job of explaining why you think it's man made and what experience and qualifications you have to make that determination. That is what I was looking for, and wanting you to provide for your assertions to remain in the article. Published material indicating who did the research and what their qualifications are. That's what separates the opinion of a Wikipedia editor (by definition OR, which must be excluded from the article) from the opinion of respected authorities, which Wikipedia can include so long as it is cited. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 13:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Take a look at what I did here. Notice that I discussed your findings, including the cave paintings, and even stuck one of your pictures back in. Please note that I cited published sources saying that you said XY and Z.  That is the difference between Original research and appropriate edits.  Ideally I'd prefer academic sources to the two newspaper-type sources I used, but since you haven't ever answered questions about if your findings have been published or not, I'll take what I can get. Please note also that I'm not referring to you as "American tourist Philip Maise", because what authority does a tourist have to say what a dark blotch on a cave wall is?  However, "a chemical engineer" with "experience with excavation" and "course work in history, philosophy and art" who is "build[ing] a college of Tabonology" has more credibility. Do you now understand why what was in the article before was OR? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Isaac Stearns
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Lead writing award
Thank you! ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

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There's a merger proposal rgdg LeBaron group/Ch1stborn
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Phineas Stearns
Hey, ONUnicorn. Do you think I could start an article on Phineas Stearns based on this source: http://www.bostonteapartyship.com/phineas-stearns ?

I'm not seeing much else, so I'm unsure if he is sufficiently notable based on his participation in the Boston Tea Party. Thanks! Kirk Leonard (talk) 21:06, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took me so long to respond, I got unexpectedly busy a few weeks ago and probably won't be around much until late July. Congratulations on getting Phineas Stearns through AFC!  It looks good. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 23:15, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks and no worries. I know how that is when things keep you so busy you can barely find time for anything else. Kirk Leonard (talk) 23:38, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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Best of luck in the months ahead
I noticed that you mentioned over at the Core Contest that you will be taking the bar exam this summer. I just wanted to stop by to offer a few words of encouragement -- it's an incredibly challenging exam, but with hard work and discipline, I am sure you will do an excellent job! Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 16:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the encouragement, it's appreciated! :) ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 14:57, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Huanted places
You recently edited, List of reportedly haunted locations in the United States. Can I trouble you for assistance on the Paranormal tourism article over on Wikivoyage? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Summarising/Analysing Arbcom decisions
As you've been studying for Bar exams you've almost certainly been reading the sort of legal textbooks that go into very precise details of exactly what a particular decision actually said, and what it was later interpreted to say.

I was wondering if you'd be willing to make a slightly serious analysis (in the same vien) of some of the more prominent Arbcom cases on the basis that the Arbcom is a good working example of a semi-formalised 'dispute-resolution' process, even if it's not a legal body like a formal arbitration panel would be. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Possibly; what exactly would you be looking for in the analysis? Are you looking for an analysis about the results of arbcom decisions in the specific situations? Or looking at trends in what types of "remedies" arbcom produces? Something else? Personally I find the way arbcom works, with each commentor having their own section and no threaded discussion, and discussions taking place over multiple subpages to be confusing and difficult to follow and I kind of suspect it is that way intentionally.  It might be interesting to do a semi-in-depth analysis to try to see what is working and what isn't.  ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 14:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I was thinking more in terms of how the decisions were arrived at from the 'facts' of the case, and what the decisions decided the Wikipedia policy direction in future (i.e after the decision). A number of Arbcom cases also implemented specific General and Discretionary Sanctions, and it would be useful to have some basis to compare any future decisions, even though Arbcom is not like actual judicial boides bound to follow a precedent it sets (That said, many Arbcom decisions have drawn on past ones.) . To borrow the (London) Times legal reporting style for an example " 'Where a long term vandalising account had previously used multiple accounts previously, it was reasonable practice on the part of Wikipedia admin, to request a check user for any new suspected accounts of the same account holder.' So ruled the Arbitration Committe of the English Wikipedia' in respect of ... The request for Arbitration had arisen because... In reaching this decison, Arbcom considered that... "

with the obvious expansions, of course. Arbitraion requests to some extent are the 'caselaw' of Wikipedia policy, compared to the 'written polices' (the 'book-law/legal code') and unwritten but generally followed customary practices.

Analysing the Arbcom 'process' itself would be something different entirly, but if you were wanting to write in that area as well, I can't really stop you. ;) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:15, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks
Hi ONUnicorn, thanks so much for explaining about the articles I have been working on and special thanks because I'm new and figuring out how to use it Europetransparent (talk) 18:36, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. :) If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 14:09, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

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Patrolling pages
Hi. Thank you for agreeing to mentor Adochar. I would just point out that he is already  asking  to  be allowed to  patrol  new pages again, which  of course in view of NPP and other aspects of his editing, I  will  not  be able to  grant  any  time soon. Do keep up  the good work though and perhaps you  could consider being  one the trainers at New pages patrol/School. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:17, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * He didn't do terrible on the little quiz I put together, but then part of why I wanted him to take it was to test the effectiveness of the quiz just as much as testing his knowledge of policy and ability to patrol. What specific issues have people been pointing out with him?  If I'm mentoring him it helps to know what to work with him on. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:54, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * A review of his still short talk page archive will tell you all that you need to know. He's clearly enthusiastic but possibly quite young and attracted by the notion of gaining user rights as well as wanting to become an admin already. I think i's mainly a maturity issue which will improve with time. NPP has now (since yesterday) become an official user right and under the new requirements he's unlikely to be granted the right any time soon. Do take a look at the completely new or rewritten pages at the WP:NPP tutorial, and please consider being a trainer at the school - we're gong to need you there. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:46, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. I've already commented yesterday. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

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Hello!
Sorry to bother, but I think you forgot to sign off (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=cur&oldid=prev). --JustBerry (talk) 16:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I realized that right away and already fixed it. Thanks though! ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Fashion History Museum
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