User talk:OPQS2013

October 2013
Hello, I'm Gareth Griffith-Jones. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Patrick Lefevere because it did not appear constructive. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 20:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * – The Welsh Buzzard''  — 20:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Patrick Lefevere
Please provide inline citations for your edits (you must provide reliable third party references for everything) and please try to write in a way that is neutral. You may wish to consider how your user name raises questions about neutrality. I will go through this article later this week and remove any promoting passages that aren't referenced in line. You also may wish to consider WP:BRD in future (you was bold, I reverted, then it's the time to discuss, not just revert back). Severo (talk) 09:08, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Severo, If you remove everything, you will then also have a blank page. Because the previous text did the same thing and that biography was not removed by anyone, so all I did was expand the previous text with more history. In fact, the previous text had information that was retracted by the original third party source about something not related to cycling history and quite negative/unbalanced. That was the only inline citation, and the only text removed by me. My name being questionable is one thing, and I appreciate the tip. However, that doesn't really change historical facts of cycling results, team names, etc. That is not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of record. Besides one or two sentences, every line is a regurgitation of cycling history. There isn't a different way to say how many championships are won and what riders were significant for the team. The links at the bottom describe and support those cycling events. Furthermore, I discussed the biography previously with another editor who reviewed the text at the same time you did and did not revert (As you can see by the history of this page) a second time.

I will happily go through and directly source everything possible this week, line-by-line. I will ensure wins, team names, riders, etc. are able to be traced as accurately as they can with inline citations. OPQS2013 (talk) 12:50, 4 November 2013 (EST)


 * Please consider what is relevant to the biography you are writing about and what isn't. For example, the last line in the prose currently reads In 2013 with the arrival of Mark Cavendish, the team had more than 50 victories to their name, including 5 stages at the Giro d’Italia and 4 stages at the Tour de France. This is not really relevant to the biography of Patrick Lefevere but the history of . When I read the current biography, it seems more about the team than Lefevere. You should read the Biographies of living persons policy that dictates how we handle biographies. Note the text:

"Contentious material about living persons (or in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."


 * With this in mind, we could have removed much of the content already. The focus is on to get it right. The policy also gives guidance about what are suitable sources. If you need help, please leave me a message on my talk page. Severo (talk) 18:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC)