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Proposed deletion of SA L1011 Flight 043
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article SA L1011 Flight 043, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process&#32; because of the following concern:
 * This is a story about a plane hijacking, which I can find no evidence actually took place. The author of this article is adding the story to other Wikipedia pages, and unless anyone can find out if this actually happened we'll need to go through and delete them.

This is written from the point of view of someone on a plane they believed was hijacked. They claim:


 * Hijacking that took place on Monday, November 5, 1984
 * Saudi Airlines Flight 043, TriStar L1011 jet
 * Two hijakers from Yemen held crew at gunpoint for 10 hours in the cockpit while the passengers sat in their seats, unaware of the situation
 * A few events happen to unnerve the passengers - fighter jets are seen outside the windows, the pilot radios for more fuel (but "was actually declaring Mayday-Mayday")
 * The plan landed in an unknown airfield,
 * The hijackers negotiate for money, released prisoners, and asylum
 * Gunplay, showdown at high noon, the Iranian military arrests the hijackers
 * Buses come to pick up the stranded passengers, along with CBS and NBC

It's hard to believe there would be no evidence of such a thing, but I can't find a shred.

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Hello, just wanted to let you know some of your fellow editors have dug up some published news accounts on this hijacking. But we need your help! It would be especially helpful if you could provide a reliable, verifiable source for the flight number. (see WP:SOURCES) --Martinship (talk) 08:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the notes. I am new to the site and surprised by the uninformed discounting of the factual account of this little remember hijacking. This is of course the reason I have submitted the story. In the days following this hijacking many national and international papers reported the story. The best account is found in the Arab News, Thursday Nov. 8, 1984 local section page 2 date line Riyadh., this account includes a picture. The AP wrote a story that was less accurate and picked up by many news companies. The New York Times Nov. 6, 1984 date line Manama, Bahrain (AP); Los Angeles Times Nov. 6,1984 date line Nicosia, Cyprus page 4, Part 1; Atlanta Constitution, Nov 7, 1984 date line Abu Dhabi UAE, with a picture; LA Times Nov 7, 1984 page A5; Sacramento Bee Nov. 7, 1984 date line Nicosia, Cyprus (AP); The London Times Nov. 7, 1984, date line Tehran (AFP); San Francisco Chronicle Nov. 7, 1984 picked up the Iranian press release which is a fabrication to make the Iranian security forces the star of the day(bull); The Wall Street Journal Nov. 7, 1984 also picked up the Iranian release. The Hindustan Times (New Delhi, India) Nov. 7, 1984 date line Nicosia (AP); St. Louis Post Dispatch Nov. 7, 1984 date line Abu Dhabi, UAE; The Washington Post Nov. 7, 1984 date line Abu Dhabi, UAE; and others! I have copies of all these. Also pictures of the plane with the slides inflated and the passingers standing on the tarmack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oakcreekindependance (talk • contribs) 2009-04-05 06:21:02

Proposed deletion of SA L1011 Flight 043
helpme A proposed deletion template has been added to the article SA L1011 Flight 043, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Article appears to be original research

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Pontificalibus (talk) 07:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * May I have help from one of your experienced editors? Thanking you in advace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oakcreekindependance (talk • contribs) 2009-04-06 18:29:23
 * You won't receive it without making your request more prominent than that. I've made it so for you. One note to start you off:  We don't editorialize at Wikipedia, we don't write articles in the first person, and we don't base content upon unpublished personal knowledge. Uncle G (talk) 19:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Useful information
Hi, thanks for joining Wikipedia and contributing new content, unfortunately, there were many problems with the article you have added, the first and most serious concern is that it is some form of hoax or conspiracy theory and that there is no way to reliably source the claims made in the article you added. Editors have cross referenced your claims with newspapers and databases of hijackings, and were unable to confirm your content is correct; that doesn't mean that it isn't, just that without being able to cross reference and confirm your claims, that content cannot be added to Wikipedia. If you can link to other websites with the story you added, this is something that can be looked at by experienced editors or administrators and we can undelete your article if it is appropriate to do so.

The next problem is the way in which you write content, the quality is excellent but sadly you are using the wrong prose, you need to speak in the third person, so instead of saying "I saw the hijackers hit someone" you would need to write "The hijackers were observed to hit someone", I hope this explains the prose that you need to use when writing an article on Wikipedia, if not, please don't hesistate to ask for further assistance.

I hope this helps explain what's happening with your article. Yours. Nick (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)