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Welcome to Wikipedia, Obankston! I have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on or by typing helpme at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Oh yeah, I almost forgot, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on, or place helpme on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! ~Sp K 17:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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Headings vs. Categories
Thanks for your edit to the Dab page PFD, which you summarized "(added category Organizations)" and seems constructive. I just wanted to point out to you that what you added is certainly a heading, but calling it a "category" echoes WP:Category and has now twice made me look at the details in order to remove Category:Organizations markup from the bottom of the Dab! Hope you'll keep editing BOLDly, and thanks again. --Jerzy•t 08:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

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NLP disambiguation
Hi Obankston, Why did you choose to put Neuro-linguistic programming at the end of the disambiguation page when it is by far the most popular usage of the acronym based on the usage statistics and prevalence. Just do a search of any literature database or google scholar to see what I mean. I suppose you were just not sure where to list it. I think it would be best under the title "communications and psychotherapy". It may be considered tenuously linked to linguistics and therefore listed next to Natural language processing. Action potential discuss contribs 10:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Your comment about the placement of Neuro-linguistic programming at the end, is the only comment I have received about my choice of subject headings and the placement of entries therein. I have reorganized over 30 disambiguation pages with hundreds of entries, so that gives me a score of over 99%. Success.
 * The reasons for putting the article on neuro-linguistic programming at the end (1) avoid subject headings with a single entry per MOS:DAB (2) the article has the statement "NLP has had little or no support from the scientific community", so I couldn't put it under "Science and technology" or "Medicine and biology" (3) The subject "Other uses" is a standard catch-all on disambiguation pages that always appears at the end (4) MOS:DAB does not give guidance on the choice of primary topic (5) I am a computer scientist so I have a bias to the entry Natural Language Processing, a major research subject for decades, and I could have chosen that as the primary topic (6) Natural Language Processing has about 550 links to it in Wikipedia, Neuro-linguistic programming has about 560, and I am editing Wikipedia, not a literature database or google scholar (8) counts need to be used carefully - the subject "grocery shopper" is not wildly more important than the subject "prime minister" because of the count of people who perform that role (9) standard google search shows both of these wikipedia articles at the top of the non-sponsored list (10) in every disambiguation page, somebody's favorite subject is at the top, and somebody's favorite subject is at the bottom (11) ignorance - never heard of neuro-linguistic programming before.
 * So I revised NLP to add the heading "communications and psychotherapy" and put it in the middle like the wiktionary entry.
 * Update about the count of links:
 * Links to Neuro-linguistic programming:
 * All: 560, Articles: 220
 * Links to Natural Language Processing:
 * All: 430, Articles: 340
 * The conclusion is that Neuro-linguistic programming is discussed more in Wikipedia, but Natural Language Processing has more articles that reference it. So it is indeterminate which should be the primary subject.
 * Obankston (talk) 15:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Can we also consider the wikipedia page usage statistics? Neuro-linguistic programming gets more than 3000 hits per day whereas Natural language processing get less than 1000 visits per day. The difference is that Natural language processing is a purely academic field. It is of very little interest, if any, to the general public but of great interest to academic working in associated fields. My point is that when someone thinks of NLP, they will almost always think of Neuro-linguistic programming. Then again, if you searched "NLP" linguistics or medical databases you'd probably get more hits for Natural language processing. So, I'm undecided too. Action potential discuss contribs 02:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You are correct - a ratio of 3:1 in visits per day leaves the issue indeterminate. A ratio of 30:1 would warrant a conclusion, and somewhere in between would be the breakpoint, but not venturing a guess here of where the breakpoint is. Obankston (talk) 02:23, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

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 * If they can include every song of every album of every rock band that comes out, then I can include Bible Study materials!

Other causes for deletion of an article: Obankston (talk) 19:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * not notable, see Notability
 * not encyclopedic, see What Wikipedia is not

Userboxes/Interests
Thanks for creating the new section on this page for clothing and fabric! It makes the pages easier to search and less random - great work! - Ahunt (talk) 12:43, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I added two three more sections. The purpose is not only to make the page easier to search, but also the page is listed in Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls, which means the page needs to be broken up. The new sections are in support of breaking up the page, but I don't yet have a proposal of how to break up the page. Obankston (talk) 18:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I added yet more sections, but also deleted a section and provided a reference to another page of userboxes because it did not belong, and a similar thing with a section I merged into another userbox page and emptied out but did not delete because it belonged. This removes enough entries so that the page does not need to be broken up because the page is now off the list of Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls. Obankston (talk) 21:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

My edit of your user page
I thot it was obvious that you don't know create a lk to a Cat, and fixed a text ref & many uncalled-for Cat memberships for you. But i see in the preceding msg that you do know how to create a Cat lk. So i presume what i fixed was just an oversight on your part, and that you'll still be happy that it's fixed. --Jerzy•t 21:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Typical of the INTP that I am, I didn't read the instructions but just copied the initial colon on a Category link not knowing what it was used for. After I took the colons out, thinking they were superfluous, the firebells go off and people are coming to my user page. Thanks for the fix. Obankston (talk) 23:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

666 (number)
I noticed that you reverted my change to 666 (number). I am a mathematician working in a mathematical section, and mathematicians find meaning where there was no meaning before. I made a good faith unsuccessful effort to search for an applicable reference on google.com, but I don't think a citation is needed to imply that "DCL means DCL and XVI means XVI". Please restore the change, or let me change it back, tomorrow so we don't get involved in edit warring. Obankston (talk) 00:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Moved above paragraph to here so comment and response would be in the same place. Obankston (talk) 16:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Frankly, I fail to see why breaking apart the roman number representation into smaller bits and looking at them individually makes much sense mathematically. But I reverted your edit because the wikilinks you created go to disambiguation page and a redirect respectively - both things that should be avoided usually. Also both links are directly connected so they look like one. Please consider fixing that when you edit again. Lars T. (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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Status and Advice
As reviewing administrator, I had to delete it. The objections were that there were no third party sources, and none have been added. Please do not recreat until you have these source available-- and put them in the actual article immediately.  DGG ( talk ) 00:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * At your request I restored it, and sent it to WP:AFD, at Articles for deletion/T2 SDE (2nd nomination). I very strongly advise you to add the other sources  immediately  --they were not in the version of the article I saw.   DGG ( talk ) 19:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

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How to improve Biblesource template
Hi Obankston! I noticed you removed the Biblesource template from Abundant life because of the new formatting, and I thought your perspective might be useful in an ongoing discussion about how to improve the template. I recently tested some changes (which could be undone or changed again), so your thoughts on it would be most welcome. Please see the talk page to join in: Wikipedia talk:Citing sources/Bible. Thanks!

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Life form
After a look at your contributions, I realize your religious/fictional preferences. I preffer the physical and scientific realm of knowledge, so I will avoid all collaborations with you. All I have to say on the life form article is that if you are creating a "list of XYZ", then don't attempt to write an essay, just do the "list of XYZ" and please name it "List of XYZ". The article you call "arsenic DNA" does not exist because there is no such thing; the link redirects to arsenic biochemistry, and I fail to see its relationship with your "list" --BatteryIncluded (talk) 04:49, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * After reviewing your contributions, I see that you focus on the physical and scientific. One of my goals in Wikipedia is to cover the broadest range of human concepts, including physical, alleged, religious, and fictional, since these arenas both conflict and interact with each other. Most people specialize; an interdisciplinarian is less common. This is part of my interest in ontology (computer science) and upper ontology, which covers a very broad range of human concepts, including conflicting concepts. Life forms are of great interest because they are the most complex thing in the observable/alleged/imagined universes. I didn't expect that summarizing all the varieties of human concepts relating to life forms available in Wikipedia would be considered an essay. Obankston (talk) 06:02, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Obankston/GateIn Portal
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September 2011
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 * I added 4 references, the first 2 were open wiki's. I replaced the open wiki references with named author references, and re-inserted the other two references. Obankston (talk) 16:42, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks slightly better, although I still think neither of these sources satisfy wp:RS. I'll leave it to others to object though. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 16:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I will review them when I have more time. At the moment, I am also thinking that these do not meet Wikipedia standards, but I need to have a closer look. Steve Quinn (talk) 06:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:Year in other calendars
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 * Thanks for helping. Template:Year in other calendars/sandbox was copied to Template:Year in other calendars by CBM (talk). Obankston (talk) 16:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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Outline of principles of interpretation
I came across this outline that you created.

Where does this subject fit in the overall system of outlines?

That is, what areas of knowledge does this fall under?

Please reply on my talk page. I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 06:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

The subject belongs to Outline of linguistics. Principles of interpretation is more a term describing a collection of principles than a subfield of linguistics.

Exegesis and hermeneutics could be considered to be subfields of applied linguistics.

I added the articles principles of interpretation, exegesis, and hermeneutics to Index of linguistics articles. Obankston (talk) 15:50, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That helps a lot.


 * By the way, to make the outline more useful to more people, a good strategy is to increase its availability by adding a link to it to every page that it is relevant. The Transhumanist 18:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S.: I placed a link at Portal:Contents/Outlines. &mdash;TT

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