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Uthuru Janani Power Station
Hi there. The power station is officially called "Uthuru Janani". It's sometimes called "Chunnakam" because of its locale. "Chunnakam" is a conflicting name. Can I know your reasons for proceeding with the rename? As I object the COMMONNAME basis, and hope to move it back... Thanks, Reh  man  15:51, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


 * As per WP:COMMONNAME Wikipedia uses "the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources", not "necessarily use the subject's "official" name". There are many more sources which refer to the power station as Chunnakam power station than Uthuru Janani power station.


 * FYI Chunnakam power station has existed since the 1950s. It came under the control of the CEB in the 1960s. It was severely damaged during the civil war. Contrary to Sri Lankan propaganda, it wasn't destroyed by "terrorists", it was bombed by the SLAF in 1990. From the 1990s onwards private operators (Aggreko, Northern Power) started generating electricity from the site. Uthuru Janani is in effect the reconstructed CEB power station. The use of the Uthuru Janani name in Sri Lankan media sources is the usual Sinhalisation of names in Tamil areas.-- obi2canibe talk contr 16:45, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay... 1). I'm just an average tech/energy person who really don't pay much attention to the conflict (I'm not even from Sri Lanka). So you purely on a casual note and before we proceed further, I need to tekk you that you don't need to consider me as someone who takes sides and forced bullcrap onto people. Now that we got that out of the way, I need to tell you that, per your comment above, you do not sound to be in a NPOV to me. "Uthuru Janani" is the common name. A quick google search for "Chunnakam Power Station" would show that even the first result is not related, as you claim, and also proves that "Chunnakam Power Station" is well confused with both power stations in the area.


 * 2). You need to provide facts for your claims. I am more than interested in including the above piece of history to the article, but there is no sources backing this.


 * 3). Satellite imagery dating back as recent as 2012 very clearly shows that the power station site was a completely barren piece of land. There was absolutely nothing at that site prior to the commissioning of the Uthuru Janani Power Station at 9.74083°N, 80.03333°W.


 * Sorry, but your claims does not seem true to me, and I can assure you that there will in fact be no sources to confirm your claim as the satellite imagery clearly shows that there was nothing there. I will be reversing the renamings to what I have originally created the articles with, using verifiable sources. If you still wish to stick to your arguement, please feel free to start a discussion before reversing my revert. I'm off to work now. Thanks. Reh  man  23:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Your response is very disappointing. I didn't provide "facts" for my claims because I didn't expect an experienced editor like yourself to accuse another experienced editor of lying. Why would I lie? A diligent editor would, upon being challenged, do some research to ascertain the facts. Some basic research would reveal that what I have said is correct. Instead you have chosen to dig your heels in and go on your merry way (1, 2, 3). This leads me to question the veracity of all of your contributions.


 * You seem to rely solely on news sources for your contributions. If you'd bothered to use books and academic sources you wouldn't have ended up jumping to the wrong conclusions. In your Google search did you bother to look at books? If you had you would have realised that I am not lying. Using Google Map to for research is nothing more than WP:OR. If you knew anything about the Sri Lankan Civil War you would know that virtually all of the infrastructure in the war affected areas were razed to the ground. Only now are they being re-built. BTW, Google Earth shows structures on the site going back to the earliest time with satellite imagery, 2002. I don't know what you were looking at but it was never barren land.


 * FYI, I have publications from the 1950s to 1980s which show the existence of a power station in Chunnakam, called Chunnakam power station, not Uthuru Janani or any other bullcrap as you so eloquently put it. I also have three academic/research/conference papers which detail the history of the station back to the 1950s. However, given your intransigence, I am not prepared to share them with you. For the moment I will let you wallow in blissful ignorance. You seem to thrive on it.-- obi2canibe talk contr 19:07, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I apologize if my response sounded offensive to you. Coming to the topic, I try my best to cover Sri Lanka's energy industry in the best quality possible, and like I said earlier, I do not bother about politics. I am more that willing to make alterations if the facts are proven with trusted sources. But instead of providing the facts, more than half of your reply is just about what you think of me. When/if you're ready to take a constructive path, I am very much willing to work together. Just for conversation purpose, the power station is located exactly at 9.74083°N, 80.03333°W, with the premises not extending more than 65 m in any direction. Aggreko was located 200 m east of the Uthuru Janani's premises, while the Northern plant is about 250 m away. Measurements are from centre of premises. You can see the old satellite imagery on Google Earth 5 or above, or archives of imagery providing websites. Reh  man  23:48, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Assistance request
If you have the time, I need some assistance to upload 4 images; 1. A pic of Jeronis de Soysa from the 1901 biography, originally from a portrait commissioned circa 1855; both the subject and author are deceased; no copyrights issue. 2. A pic which I recently captured personally of the Holy Emanuel Church built by him which is his resting place and is one of the main Anglican churches in SL, also one of the oldest and largest and probably still one of the tallest church towers in SL. 3. A another pic which I recently captured personally of the Cathedral of Christ the Living Savior to go on the page of the same name; since they are my own, I may not need permission, however I did get permission from the incumbents to take them and to post them on their respective Wikipedia pages. 4. A pic which I recently captured personally of the 1916 statue of CH de Soysa on De Soysa/Liptons Circus, Colombo. This is the first statue of a native to be erected in Colombo and entirely of public subscription. Kind Regards! Rippleworth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rippleworth (talk • contribs) 23:58, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * If you took the photos there should be no copyright problems, so go ahead and upload them to Commons, as you have done before. Similarly, for the first item, if the image was taken in 1855, it should not be subject to copyright any longer.-- obi2canibe talk contr 12:04, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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 * I have responded here.-- obi2canibe talk contr 15:35, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Sri Lankan Politics Conventions
As you are an active editor of articles that are related to Sri Lankan politics, you are invited to discuss and help create a new policy towards editing these articles. Your participation in this discussion will hopefully be constructive in streamlining the development of Sri Lankan politics articles, reducing edit wars and keeping articles consistent to a agreed upon standard of quality, as well as something to refer back to. Hopefully decisions made by all user here will be final.

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There's at least 9 sources saying Ananda Samarakoon composed and wrote "Namo Namo Mata;" 9 is greater than 2
Please refrain from insisting that two articles from 2011 are the only ones that are reliable as opposed to every other source. Since you insist that removing the claims of the 2011 articles is removal of reliably sourced material they haven't been removed but rather distinguished for what they are. CaptainPrimo (talk) 23:41, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Please have a read of WP:NPOV, Wikipedia includes all of significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. We don't exclude views just because CaptainPrimo doesn't agree with them. Please do not add your own personal views - "Primary sources do not support this" is not fit for an encyclopaedia. Please also read WP:RS, popsike.com isn't a reliable source.-- obi2canibe talk contr 13:42, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I won't revert your changes right now but this is giving undue weight to two articles that present one scenario that is at odds with what is held by the vast majority of other sources. I will seek comment by other editors. CaptainPrimo (talk) 18:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You might want to read the link you provided as it states the following: "If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small (or vastly limited) minority, it does not belong on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it is true or you can prove it, except perhaps in some ancillary article." CaptainPrimo (talk) 18:59, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I have responded here.-- obi2canibe talk contr 20:36, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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Black Tigers
Hi there, I'd like to discuss the "Notable successes" section of the Black Tigers article. Judging by your edit history, you likely know much much more about the subject of the Black Tigers and Sri Lanka as a whole than I do, but I have to say that I completely disagree with you on the this issue. A couple people have noted this on the talk page for the article, and I must say I agree with them that the article really seems to be glorifying suicide bombings and ignoring the brutality of many of the group's actions. If you read the actual attacks listed under "Notable successes", you will see that these were not military targets during combat, but also included civilians. Blowing up an international airport is terrorism. My edit was NOT personal commentary. I would say defining these attacks as successes is more of a personal commentary than anything. Is there a better heading that we can come up with that encompasses all of these? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric8886 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, the article may look like it's glorifying suicide bombings but you cannot replace non-neutral content with opposing non-neutral content - see WP:TERRORIST. I am going to replace with a neutral wording.-- obi2canibe talk contr 11:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Great, I'm glad we could agree on some terminology, although I still believe these are clearly terrorist attacks. I still don't understand your logic in reverting my change originally to wording which was obviously not neutral. Is it because "successes" was there first? This hardly seems like criteria for leaving it behind. I acknowledge that I should have cited sources identifying the acts as terrorist attacks, but just two sources from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandaranaike_Airport_attack alone refer to the Bandaranaike attack as terrorism. Also note that I did not specifically label the group as terrorists, but the act, so your style guide link has little bearing. It was clearly a terrorist attack. Why exactly are you reverting changes in this article which you believe paint this group in a bad light, but making no effort to fix those issues which portray their acts as noble? Please read your own quote from your user page and take a look at your own biases here. Eric8886 (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 03:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I did not add "successes" in the first place. You may believe it to be a "terrorist" attack but another editor believes it was a "successes". Neither complies with WP:NPOV, a core content policy. If you cannot abide by this I suggest you leave Wikipedia.-- obi2canibe talk contr 10:57, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I will not leave Wikipedia, especially not when you attempt to bully me into it, but thanks for your "suggestion". You seem to understand very little of what I say. Did you read my above paragraph? It is not about what I believe, it is above what several reputable sources deem the attacks. They were considered terrorist attacks. I am aware that you did not add "successes" in the first place, where did I imply that you did? You reverted what you considered non-neutral content to what is clearly non-neutral content (which paints the Black Tigers in a positive light), do you see your double-standard? Can you please actually read what I wrote this time? Eric8886 (talk • contribs)


 * Having sources does not override WP:NPOV and WP:TERRORIST.-- obi2canibe talk contr 15:04, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * If you cannot understand the very guidelines you post, I suggest you leave Wikipedia. Pulled from the WP:TERRORIST, which you keep reposting: "best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject". Reliable sources, key words. Also, you cannot show me where NPOV was violated. I don't think you understand what it means.


 * Have you shown that reliable sources widely describe the listed attacks as "terrorist"? No. Not one single source. You really need to find something better to do with your life than labelling things that go against your POV?-- obi2canibe talk contr 16:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

List of Forest Reserves in Sri Lanka
Hi, You tagged the article as "factual accuracy is disputed" may I kindly ask you to remove it or provide reasons for adding the disputed tag in the talk page of the article, the citation I have provided for this covers every aspect of the list in the page, if you cannot provide the reasons I will remove the disputed tag in 24 hours. Thank you. Në&#359;&#924;&#466;&#324;&#287;er Talk to me 12:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The reason has been given on the article's talk page.-- obi2canibe ;talk contr 12:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I have responded in the article talk page, what you had stated in the talk page has nothing to do with factual accuracy, so I have removed the disputed tag. Thank you. Në&#359;&#924;&#466;&#324;&#287;er  Talk to me 13:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I have modified the page to satisfy your request, please check the articles talk page on my explanation if you still feel it is inadequate please let me know before adding the disputed tag. Në&#359;&#924;&#466;&#324;&#287;er  Talk to me 13:49, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Television in Sri Lanka
While appreciating your efforts to update Sri Lankan content to wikipedia, would like to point out that your last amendments to Television in Sri Lanka has some errors. If you are not from the media industry, do not just amend them as you wish. Check the references given before you edit them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.134.64.49 (talk) 15:11, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Please accept my apologies - I wasn't aware that only Sri Lankan media industry executives could edit Sri Lankan media articles. If you could point out all my errors I would be most pleased to correct them according to Wikipedia polices. I look forward to your reply.-- obi2canibe talk contr 19:49, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

It's not exclusive to anybody including yourself. Amending a document of a field not related directly shouldn't done with double check.

City Cable - though the license is issued in 2009, no record of operation so far. if we are to include such, there are number of licensed companies haven't started operation according to so no point of including nonoperational companies

Dish TV - Sri Lanka license holder is Sat Net coz according to the Act foreign companies can not own media license other than they JV or partner with local company

Lanka Broadband Networks - Provider refers as LBN and the owner refers as Lanka Broadband Networks. They cover Colombo, Wattala, Nuwara Eliya also. Refer to

Satcom - This is not a Television provider, just a satellite channel called Thinetha TV by Future Sat Com Holdings. Though they tried to provide Satellite channels combined with TVLanka, project was abandoned in 2013. so this should come under 'former' column.

simileraly there are errors in all parts but I don't have enough time to spend for it today


 * I don't live in Sri Lanka so I have no direct knowledge of Sri Lankan TV. All of my additions to Television in Sri Lanka was based on research that I did. Turning to your specific points:
 * City Cable - These Island and Sunday Observer articles and this International Telecommunication Union document suggest that City Cable are operating. Swarga TV also say that they are available on City Cable.
 * Dish TV - According to the Telecommunications Regulatory Commission Dish TV Lanka (Private) Limited received a DTH licence on 30 November 2013. According to this Daily FT article Dish TV Lanka (Private) Limited is 70% owned by Dish TV and 30% by Satnet Private Limited.
 * Lanka Broadband Networks - Swarga TV say LBN is available in Colombo and Jaffna. Deutsche Welle says LBN is available in Colombo, Jaffna and Trincomalee. Your source only sates that LBN should be expanded into Wattala, Beruwala & Nuwara Eliya - that does not mean that they are available in those areas. I'm not fussed about the name, if you say it's commonly known as LBN I will change it.
 * Satcom - My addition was based on these two sources - Island and Island - which put Satcom in the same category as Dialog but if you say these ceased broadcasting in 2013 I will move to the "Former" section as suggested.
 * Please consider creating an account so that I'm not dealing with a dynamic IP user.-- obi2canibe talk contr 19:35, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Varuthalaivilan
The notable person from the village are well known to me. What kind of evidence you are looking for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aruppillai (talk • contribs) 23:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I am not looking for any evidence. I only want you to follow Wikipedia policies, specifically WP:NLIST. Simply stating that you know them isn't good enough. Obtaining a Phd isn't notable. Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is not a place to promote your home village.-- obi2canibe talk contr 19:49, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Multiple term!!!
Hi Obi2canibe I have noticed that you have been changing the order of the terms in many articles from the correct order described in Multiple terms to whatever suits you. Could you please stop doing this please!!! as I find myself correcting a lot of this for no purpose as you then again change it in very sneaky ways whenever you can - LionsRule125 (talk) 11:07, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can imagine that adding encyclopedic content with WP:RS would look very sneaky to you.-- obi2canibe talk contr 19:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * What are you on about?? I didn't say anything bad about adding content with WP:RS. Im talking about Multiple terms and the order you put them!!! - LionsRule125 (talk) 01:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)


 * That's right, you didn't say anything about WP:RS. To you WP:RS and WP:V are irrelevant.-- obi2canibe talk contr 14:56, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


 * You are the one who go's on and on about it so please stop arguing and lead by example! and how do you know whether or not it was done by mistake? - LionsRule125 (talk) 05:48, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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 * Perhaps that wasn't the best choice of words but it was borne out of frustration in dealing with an editor who has no respect for Wikipedia protocols and policies and is gaming the system to get his own way.-- obi2canibe talk contr 11:14, 28 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, but... you know the rest, I don't need to wiki-link WP:BITE and WP:AGF. Off-topic: are you good with USERBOX coding? I need one that says "This admin used the mainpage as a sandbox" Two months later, and I'm still getting notifications thanking me for being an incompetent idiot. It's good to get recognition. :-) --Shirt58 (talk) 11:46, 28 February 2016 (UTC)


 * How about Template:User broke main page?-- obi2canibe talk contr 14:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me, but I'm no good at templates. Could you possibly include an optional field where I can write " (but Böll won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1972! In that context, surely these kind of mistakes are forgivable?) " --Shirt58 (talk) 12:11, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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Malvathu River
Thank you for explaining your reversion of my edit. However, my understanding of river naming is that "Foo River" is only a convention in North America. In Britain it is "River Foo" and elsewhere in the world there is no hard and fast convention, but rivers are most commonly just referred to as the "Foo". Is there a specific English-naming convention in Sri Lanka whereby rivers are normally called "Foo River" as in America? If so, then most of the existing river names in Category:Rivers of Sri Lanka don't follow it. Bermicourt (talk) 10:38, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Sri Lankan rivers do use the "Foo River" convention but "River" can be replaced by the native names for river ("Ganga" and "Oya" are Sinhalese for river and "Aru" is the Tamil for river) where they are more common than "River". If you look at Category:Rivers of Sri Lanka you will see that they all have one of these terms in their title.-- obi2canibe talk contr 10:48, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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 * Your threats aren't going to stop me pointing out that your sole purpose in editing Wikipedia is to propagate a particular WP:POV, namely Indian/Hindi/Hindu nationalism. Such threats may work in India but it doesn't on me. And, do you consider these statements to be examples of high standards of debating:


 * Otherwise, we would be inventing it out of our own brains;
 * What you are trying to prove is blatantly false. You are merely trying publish the slogans fed to you by LTTE, without actually making any effort to understand what is going on?-- obi2canibe talk contr 11:57, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


 * For the record, I am not a "Hindu nationalist," and I take offence at being branded as such. If you do it again, I will report you. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:04, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Again with the threats. For the record, I find you offensive as well.-- obi2canibe talk contr 12:06, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

SL economy
Check the SL economy article where a guy called Boston7 is removing sourced content on economic history and current govt's policies with weird excuses like'degrade imag of certain political figures' 61.245.163.184 (talk) 22:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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Eelam
The article on the word Eelam states it's a 'native' name without much clarification. This is an issue as the article it self points its original at India. 61.245.163.21 (talk) 16:37, 26 April 2016 (UTC)