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Establishing Guidelines for Political Articles Conversation
As an active editor of Wikipedia in Sri Lankan Politics, I would like to invite you to join the discussion to establish some guidelines amongst us users.

Conversation: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sri Lanka

Thanks

LionCountry25 (talk) 09:38, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

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You are casting aspersions and making personal attacks
You are casting aspersions and making personal attacks in talk pages and in edit summaries, and assuming bad faith on my part openly.

You are accusing me of "trying to undermine Catalan articles", "disruption", "vandalism", "cherry picking", "anti-Catalan", " push your own POV", " Your latest game, trying to delegitimise Catalonia by changing minister to 'regional minister'"..

In addition, I have reminded you that the talk pages of the articles are to talk about the content and how to improve the pages, not about the users per WP:TPYES

I am saying you that my intentions are good, but you are not listening to me.

You said : ''You have lost the right to WP:AGF. I will continue to call you out. I make no apology for this.''

Please, reflect on what you are saying. I am going to continue assuming good faith on your part. Let's talk and make things clear. You are misunderstanding me.

I do not understand how you can consider that adjusting the term correctly to regional ("regional minister" instead of "minister") is "delegitimizing" Catalonia (!?). The only explanation I find is that you consider that Catalonia is not a region (of Spain). That is a very important concept error on your part.

You said : This edit was bordering on vandalism. See my edit summary: (Trimmed inaccuracy, Catalonia is not a "sovereign state") It was just an error of interpretation of the infobox parameter. You reverted my edit and I thanked you.

I have no problem in recognizing my mistakes.

You said here : "This edit where you removed Catalonia but left three other Spanish regions which used the same unverifibale source shows how anti-Catalan you are." (This is as absurd as if I accused you of lack of neutrality, bad faith and "anti-Spanish" because you are only making templates and improving the lists of ministers for Catalonia, but not for the rest of the regions / autonomous communities of Spain.) It is very easy to understand if you look at my contributions of that day : I was correcting the mistake of naming Catalonia as a "country", since it is a region, an autonomous community in Spain. I came to that page and made that edit chaining reviews. I did not notice anything else at that moment, I admit it, but that does not mean anything. Now that you have pointed out to me, it is when I have seen that there were more Spanish regions, I thought that Catalonia was the only one, and I apologize for the error. Anyway, if every time we enter a page we have to correct each and every one of the inaccuracies, we could never edit. This is a team effort and we complement each other.
 * 17:07, 14 June 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-149)‎ . . Catalonia ‎ (Unsourced and inaccurate.)
 * 16:41, 14 June 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-406)‎ . . List of country subdivisions by GDP over 100 billion US dollars ‎ (Trimmed. Not supported by the sources)
 * 16:24, 14 June 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . Catalonia ‎ (→‎Spanish Civil War (1936–1939) and Franco's rule (1939–1975): Adjusted inaccuracy)
 * 16:23, 14 June 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-8)‎ . . Catalonia ‎ (→‎Etymology and pronunciation: Trimmed inaccuracy)
 * 16:23, 14 June 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-36)‎ . . Catalonia ‎ (Trimmed inaccuracy, Catalonia is not a "sovereign state")

I hope we can continue to collaborate calmly and positively and that you realize and assume my good faith. And please, use our talk pages for this and not the articles talk pages WP:TPYES.

Best regards. --BallenaBlanca &#128051; ♂ (Talk)  04:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but your actions and behaviour in Catalan articles are contrary to what you've claimed above. And I will continue to point this out.


 * If you want to change my view of you, I suggest that you start making some positive contributions to Wikipedia. In my six months editing Spanish articles I have found that there is a huge deficiency in English Wikipedia on Spanish topics, particularly when compared to Spanish Wikipedia and Catalan Wikipedia. I suggest that you try to reduce this deficiency rather than scouring Wikipedia articles to delegitimise Catalonia and the Catalan people.--Obi2canibe (talk) 12:23, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * So, are you saying you will continue making personal attacks, like this new message from today ? I can not make you change your mind because you are not judging me with neutrality and you are assuming bad faith, whatever I do, no matter what I explain. --BallenaBlanca &#128051; ♂ (Talk)  21:20, 24 June 2018 (UTC)


 * You are exhibiting all the signs of civil POV pushing. As I've stated before, I will continue to challenge your atrocious behaviour. I'm sorry if you perceive that as personal attacks.--Obi2canibe (talk) 20:52, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --BallenaBlanca &#128051; ♂ (Talk)  18:44, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

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Native names on infoboxes
Hello. Noticed you'd undone my recent edits where I've moved the native names in tamil out of infoboxes of politicians' articles. Could we possibly stick to one policy here? While I don't dispute the native name field is a valid one, what is the point in duplicating it in both the infobox and the lead? Not only that, it clutters up the top of the infobox terribly. I've more or less followed this on the Sinhala politicians' pages I've edited; I may be wrong, but I don't see any attempt to follow this policy you're following on any pages other than those of SL Tamils.

On a related note, I also wanted to ask why so many of these pages have leads that make it a point to note the ethnicity of the individual: a trend I've noticed a LOT on the pages of Sri Lankan Tamils. What is the relevance here? Wouldn't a simple "he/she was a Sri Lankan politician/artist/whatever" do? - ක - (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * There is no policy violation here as the field exists. I can't answer for all articles, just the ones I've worked on where I try to use all available fields on infoboxes. If native names are missing in Sinhalese biographies, perhaps you should add the native names, like you've done to infoboxes for organisations (ministries, universities) rather than removing native names from Tamil biographies. There is nothing against having native names in the lead and infobox.


 * There are no policies which prohibit the use of ethnicity in the lead.--Obi2canibe (talk) 23:07, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I did put native names in the ministry infoboxes, but if you'll remember, this was some time ago- I haven't edited those pages since we last had a conversation on you already looking after said pages and the need for consensus on what to do with them (which we still haven't finalized on, btw). As for universities, you'll notice that my most-edited recent article, SLINTEC doesn't have these- like I said, I think the native names clutter up the top of the infobox, push down the infobox info on screen, and since we're putting in the native names in the lead anyway, there's little point making the extra effort. I've recently started moving them to the lead in the pages I edit. This isn't the Sinhala or Tamil wikipedias- anyone that's here should be able to read the title of the article or the infobox and identify the topic of the article without native names.


 * On both the ethnicity thing and this, however, I think it would be helpful if you addressed why my concerns aren't valid rather than quoting policy. Many things are within policy parameters, the question we're here to decide is what works best. My concern is that we jump on any Sinhala nationalists that attempt to sneakily edit articles to highlight or bias stuff to be pro-Sinhalese, but any attempt at reining this in on pages such as the Tamil ones is met with resistance, as is the case here. You and I both know the former at least is true, given the shitshow we've seen on the SLPP article, for instance. I'm not accusing you of being a nationalist- I'm simply asking we run WikiProject Sri Lanka better than the lunatics in Parliament run the country. Right now, there seems to be one WikiProject LK for the Sinhala articles and another for the Tamil ones. We don't need ethnicity in the lead- it's in the infobox, and serves no purpose (that I can see) other than satisfying people's desire to see the Tamil community stand out here on Wikipedia.


 * On your suggestion- I'm not, for one second, going to consider doing the same to the Sinhala articles. I'm not interested, and will say the same thing I'm saying here to anyone who tries. May I also point out that so far, in all the conversations we've had on here, I've had to do all of the compromising- you've never agreed to anything I've said so far. It gets hard to talk to people when you're met with a brick wall of denial or refusal every time. - ක - (talk) 06:53, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Infoboxes and the lead aren't mutually exclusive. Their purpose is to convey the same information, a summary of the article, in different formats - infoboxes in a diagram form and the lead in a narrative form. Therefore you will often see duplication of content between the two. For example, MOS:OPENPARABIO requires the lead of all biographies to contain date of birth and death. But this information is also found in the infobox. Should they be removed from the infobox because they are replicating content in the lead? A will written article will have a substantial lead and will duplicate much of the content included in the infobox.


 * Native names are important to readers and editors and that is why all the major types of infoboxes contain them. The issue with cluttering infoboxes is due to editors using the full/formal name rather than the common name. Browser settings will also impact on the font size. There is no cluttering in the eight politician articles from whom you removed the native names. I don't consider this to be major issue.


 * Wikipedia policies are there for a reason - without them there would be anarchy. I don't consider using ethnicity as pandering to nationalists. Quite the opposite. It is Sri Lankan/Sinhalese nationalists who want to suppress Tamil identity by removing all reference to it. This was the sub-text of another editor wanting to remove ethnicity from the infobox. Sri Lankan/Sinhalese nationalists would be overjoyed if Tamil ethnicity and Tamil native names were removed from English Wikipedia. And this is what you propose.


 * I believe you have accused me of being a "brick wall" previously. This is not correct. I have tried to accommodate you where possible. For example, at the discussion at WP:LK I have made a suggestion in respect of your issues with ministry articles and I have not objected to the removal of MP suffix from former MPs articles even though I disagree with it.


 * The above issues and those being discussed at WP:LK are trivial and frankly a waste of time. Editors need to use their time more productively. And if we try to bring consistency by removing information rather than adding information, all Sri Lankan politician article will look this joke of an article. --Obi2canibe (talk) 21:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Great, so we maintain one set of policies for Tamil articles and one for Sinhala ones just to prove some political point. My suspicions were correct about your motives here, it would seem. You've just been objected to by other editors for this absolute need to divide as many Lankan articles as possible by ethnicity already, and yet here we are. As for the "you sound like a nationalist" line.... heh, yeah, ok. Trying to compare DOB (which takes up a minor amount of space in an infobox) and the list of native names at the top of the infobox is comparing apples and oranges. Also, no one's trying to remove references to Tamilness- it's just this forced, in-your-face, "Sri Lankan Tamils have to be identified by ethnicity" nonsense I'm against here. Even if we follow this brand of logic, surely you can see that you're playing into the nationalists' hands? Pretty much every non-Tamil Lankan biography says "he/she was a Sri Lankan poet/chef/whatever", but the Tamil ones always begin with "he/she was a Sri Lankan Tamil...". By trying to stand out, you yourself add fuel to this divisiveness. I will ask again- what is the value of constantly stating ethnicity? The danger here is, if you're allowed to go on doing this (and I won't stop you. God knows the Wikiproject is disjointed enough to let this kind of thing slide, especially when its being done by an established editor such as yourself), you lose the authority (although I doubt that'd actually stop you) to call out the nationalists on the other side of the fence when they too start shoehorning in irrelevant bullshit about Sinhala Buddhism, as we see happen every damn day. I just warned another buffoon for mucking around with the Colombo article, where he seemed to object to the reality that the capital isn't dominated by Buddhists and kept vandalizing the demographics data.


 * Lastly, if you find us all trivial, why bother joining in? The MP thing wasn't my debate or argument- you agreeing with my point there means absolutely nothing, since both the pro- and counterarguments weren't being made by me. I never offered a solution, just agreed with something someone else suggested; I pitched in an opinion then moved on to my real concern, which was the Ministry articles. As for that article you linked to, I see no relation to what we're discussing here. All I see is a stub that was created for no reason, not a sizeable article that has been winnowed to nothing as you seem to imply. And to suggest no one's doing any work adding to articles... well, that's your perspective.


 * The brick wall has struck again. I'll just walk away and do something productive with my time, which doesn't involve manipulating articles to further my political views. I just want it on record that I think this is a dangerous, and frankly moronic route to go just to spite the racists on the other side. - ක - (talk) 17:28, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


 * It's always a pleasure discussing things with you Jesuschristonacamel because I feel better about myself afterwards. Thanks!--Obi2canibe (talk) 11:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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Need assistance
There is a dispute between who was the Minister of Home Affairs between 1948 and 1952. Do you have any knowledge/evidence of this since different sources say different things? - LionCountry25 (talk) 04:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018
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Asturias categories
Not sure if you noticed but I made all of these myself and they were deleted before. :/ ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:07, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I noticed that they were deleted because there was only article. That was unnecessary - there are plenty articles that could populate the years categories.--Obi2canibe (talk) 19:28, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia page
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NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018
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 * A new summary page of reliable sources has been created; Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources, which summarizes existing RfCs or RSN discussions about regularly used sources.


 * Moving to Draft and Page Mover
 * Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
 * If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
 * Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
 * The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
 * The Page Mover userright can be useful for New Page Reviewers; occasionally page swapping is needed during NPR activities, and it helps avoid excessive R2 nominations which must be processed by admins. Note that the Page Mover userright has higher requirements than the NPR userright, and is generally given to users active at Requested Moves. Only reviewers who are very experienced and are also very active reviewers are likely to be granted it solely for NPP activities.

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NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.
 * Backlog


 * Community Wishlist Proposal
 * There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding the drafting of a Community Wishlist Proposal for the purpose of requesting bug fixes and missing/useful features to be added to the New Page Feed and Curation Toolbar.
 * Please join the conversation as we only have until 29 October to draft this proposal!


 * Project updates
 * ORES predictions are now built-in to the feed. These automatically predict the class of an article as well as whether it may be spam, vandalism, or an attack page, and can be filtered by these criteria now allowing reviewers to better target articles that they prefer to review.
 * There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.


 * New scripts
 * User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js(info) — A new script created for quickly placing copyvio-revdel on a page.

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