User talk:OccultZone/Archive 7

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Thanks for the references and cleanup at Sanskrit!
Thank you! --AmritasyaPutra T 09:47, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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Patrolled?
I got an e-mail that said you patrolled me. What's that? I got this really cool shivery thing like Batman was on the roof. Can any of us patrol people or is it special? Djcheburashka (talk) 08:47, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You would want to read WP:New pages patrol, any newly created page would need to be reviewed. Unless the page creator has permissions like WP:ADMIN or WP:Autopatrolled. Review is important for assuring that page is not a attack page, violation of copyrights, etc.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:58, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Oooooh that sounds fun - can anyone be a patroller? Do I get a cape? Djcheburashka (talk) 09:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Anyone can be.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:13, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

google map
Can we use google map as reference for geographic towns or villages.--Vin09 (talk) 15:06, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Not really.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:10, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * So, how to provide references to geo location for villages or small towns?--Vin09 (talk) 07:21, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Google books or websites that could be considered as WP:RS.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Carmine Miranda
Hie, I am writing to ask for your input about your opinion of this page Carmine Miranda. I am writing to you since you were one of the few who added contributions to it. At present moment it has been nominated for deletion. Articles for deletion/Carmine Miranda I am hoping that if you have time, that you could take a look at its current state and chime in your opinion on whether it should be kept or not. Thank you in advanceLilianarice (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank You

 * In a matter of hours, you will see that whole incident buried somewhere in the archives. You haven't been blocked, that's good! You have to consider that it was just an alert. Whatever you want to do next, it is your choice, and if you need my help, you can let me know.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

AN Notices
I was going through diffs and histories and just passed by yours and wondering why would you leave notices to editors I never mentioned? Not that I mind either way. -- lTopGunl (talk) 12:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * They are the participants of the last ANI thread concerning DS.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 13:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I know, but I asked since they were not related to my long standing conduct disputes with DS. Anyway, no problem. More eyes are always welcome. -- lTopGunl (talk) 13:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Kaspar Glatz
You put the "Start" category on the article Kaspar Glatz. I'm not sure you read it closely. I wrote most of the article and I can tell you that there is really nothing more to add about him. As far as references, most of the info comes from his entry in the 19th century Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie, because that's the only source that I could find that mentioned him at all. A few other facts are filled in from letters to and from Luther which mention him and from his signature on one of the responses to the Augsburg Interim.

I'm not sure what more information or sources are needed. This is as complete a history of this man as can be established.Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 15:01, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It seemed fair enough for Start/C class. If you want higher rating, then you may want to use the sources that are available online. B-criteria must pass 6 criteria, check WP:BCLASS.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:10, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't "want" a higher class. The title "Starter" just seemed odd. Personally, I think it meets the requirements of Class B: It is suitably referenced, actually better than a lot of other articles. Reasonably covers the topic, especially since there appears to be no more information about him. It has a good structure. I think it is quite well written. There really are no supporting materials to include; I suppose I could have scanned the signature page of Der Prediger der Jungen Herrn/Johans Friderichen Hertzogen zu Sachssen etc. Sönen/Christlich Bedencken auss das Interim to be an image--maybe I will. Finally, I think it is quite understandable by anyone.
 * Anyway, I'm not going to argue the point. It's a fine article and anyone who wants to know about this guy will find out all there is to know. And I'm satisfied with that. Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 17:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Your signature
Hi, the code in your signature breaks the html syntax, and as a result user who edit anywhere after your signature have problems with syntax highlighting in the editor. Would you be kind to ensure that &lt;span&gt; and italics markings do not cross-cut each other but are correctly nested? Thanks.  kashmiri TALK  07:41, 19 November 2014 (UTC)  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log)
 * I have written my signature above, edit where it's needed. Thanks  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:06, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, simply moved &lt;span&gt; from the end to just after "Zone". Color parameter has no influence on special links anyway.  kashmiri TALK  08:17, 19 November 2014‎ (UTC)
 * Thank you very much!
 * Also thanks for contributing on Kargil War, I have got some pages for you, what you have to say about this merger? We had merged it to Rape in India before, but some of the users were thinking of Human rights abuses in Kashmir. I think it can be merged anywhere but the current article is really redundant.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, Human rights abuses in Kashmir is a misnomer in my view. Human rights were codified in Europe in mid-twentieth century; other cultures and legal traditions did not really have a concept of a "universal human right", so IMHO it is a bit unusual to ever talk about "human rights abuses in Kashmir" in 16th century! True, the article could discuss only the post-1948 period, but then there is disagreement whether human rights can apply to territories in a state of armed conflict - one legal tradition says that IHL supersedes human rights laws in armed conflict; even as another view considers IHL a subset of the human rights law. Anyhow, the article would need tremendous work, unsure I'd be able to do it before the X-mass break.
 * As to rape article, I don't think I want to spend too much time on it - having lived in India, I will say that whatever is written will never match the grim reality. I might only remove "terrorist" wording from the J&K section as per WP:TERRORIST and, time permitting, might add a few media reports of rape by the military (a very common occurrence in J&K) - the current text is completely out of balance.
 * But thank you to pointing out to these two articles. Regards,  kashmiri <sup style="color:#80F;">TALK  09:32, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * can you have a look at Battle of Chawinda? Also see Talk:Battle of Chawinda and have your input.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:10, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Wiki commons
I want to and update it like, could you guide me. When I try to update it says Please choose a different title, because this title is already in use by another file.--Vin09 (talk) 04:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You have to use different title when you are uploading a new image.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Copy-vio
How to nominate it for copy-vio Jagannatha Gattu Temple, Kurnool. Copy-vio--Vin09 (talk) 07:34, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Read WP:G12.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:41, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Did not intend to do that.
Misclick because of on mobile. Turned off screen and continually 'taps' once or twice after that. I'll need to log off of Wikipedia before I turn off the screen. Sorry. Tutelary (talk) 16:05, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah it seemed.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:07, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Listings
Are these listings really necessary?--Vin09 (talk) 10:22, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No and you can also check WP:Source list, it is good to have the pages of linked items.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:28, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * linked lists in the sense? Pages with Wiki articles?--Vin09 (talk) 10:31, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah those.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Need help
If we place Update after template. Will the article come out of potentially dated statements section.

containing potentially dated statements?--Vin09 (talk) 11:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edits ?
Hello, Why did you revert my edits on Mufaddal Saifuddin page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.70.168.184 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 24 November 2014‎ (UTC)
 * "Syedna" is an WP:HONORIFIC.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:57, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Notability
Wiki notability in the sense, need to provide any third party references? Third party references in the sense any blog or website or newspaper? I read the page of Notability but some confusion.--Vin09 (talk) 12:18, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * They have to be WP:RS.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:57, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Geo locations
How to cite any location if it is situated near River of coast. Any geographic map references suitable?--Vin09 (talk) 05:08, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Depends upon the type of reference you are using. As per WP:V, you can add this type of information without any reference if you believe that you can prove them if they have been challenged.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:57, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

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Copies of deleted articles
I've got your email. For some reason I had assumed that you were referring to articles that I had deleted, though you didn't say so. I could send you copies of the articles, but on the whole I think it would be better if you were to ask the administrators who deleted them. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:33, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have asked Ronhjones for 2 articles, since he had deleted them first. But what about the other one? Which was deleted by Atama who is inactive since 10 July.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks Dear, for your kind understanding. Being a third party editor your comments are valuable, may please cooperate against vandalism done by some people like User: Summichum.--Md iet (talk) 11:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

List of ethnic slurs
I suggest you read the first sentence of the article: "The following is a list of ethnic slurs (ethnophaulisms) that are, or have been, used as insinuations or allegations about members of a given ethnicity or to refer to them in a derogatory (critical or disrespectful), pejorative (disapproving or contemptuous), or insulting manner in the English-speaking world" and the warning notes at the top of each section that additions require references, as well as WP:LIST. Long discursions are not proper for lists. μηδείς (talk) 03:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is actually : "used as insinuations or allegations about members of a given ethnicity" and "or to refer to them in a derogatory (critical or disrespectful), pejorative (disapproving or contemptuous)," and "or insulting manner in the English-speaking world." It is not necessary that the terms have to be English words, otherwise we wouldn't be listing the non-English songs or names anywhere in en.wiki.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Also read "Foreign slurs that have become English language loanwords may be included, as long as the definition and sources are in English" as written on Talk:List of ethnic slurs. English sources are available for each of those terms that you have removed.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:51, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the civil response. "in the English speaking world" modifies the whole sentence.  It doesn't mean any word that occurs in some speech where some people speak English.  If there is a specific slur which you have evidence is used in English, without italics, scare quotes, or explanations, simply provide a reliable source.  An article in English about a dispute that took place where the speakers used a foreign language and insulted each other would not be sufficient--we'd need a dictionary type source that says "word" meaning X that originates in language Z.  (See secondary versus tertiary sources for WP:RS.)  Not word that means X in language Z. Otherwise this article becomes an encyclopedia of world slurs, not a list of Ethnic slurs used in English. μηδείς (talk) 04:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The article is about slurs, not slurs by the English, I have removed the phrase 'list of slurs in English speaking world'.. that would be WP:COATRACK and highly POV to bias the article on a generic topic towards the English speaking world. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 09:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that the term is used for Punjabis, both are Indians and Pakistani people. Your source is not really describing if they are racial or derogatory, there is one that does, So what if we say "An Urdu/Persian term used for Punjabis."  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:05, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I doubt Indians face this slur (or if that is sourced)... the source is only talking about Pakistani punjabis (I will not be surprised if it is also used for the Indian punjabis though but the question is that if the latter has a source? Anyway my version already says Indians and Pakistanis both as I felt it could cover them. Secondly, it is used by pushtuns so that part should stay I guess. It could be "An Urdu/Persian term used for Indians and Pakistani Punjabis by Pushtun." to make it look more like what you mean to say and yet hold the description. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 15:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "Dalkhor"(without space) is actually more common among the authors, thus the current version is not bad, I will just add more references.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:20, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yup, 'khor' is a suffix for 'eater' in Urdu. I'm fine with or without space. My main concern was the bias towards the English speakers. This edit was just something I had made long ago but saw removed in a similar fashion. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 15:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014
It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence User:Strike Eagle. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. ''You've been doing it first at subtly WT India, then via pings to bring in the editors of your choice (both of which I left alone trying not to engage you) but now you are directly posting it to talkpages and asking another user on your own talkpage to join you. This is blatant canvassing. The next time you do it, you are going to ANI.'' <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 09:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * @TopGun I've watchlisted the page more than 2 years ago when you and your friends tried to change the outcome of the battle by synthesis of sources....in case you haven't noticed, I returned from a break just yesterday and my went through my watchlist just today...  ƬheStrike  Σagle   09:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * @ OccultZone: Please use the community talk pages(like WT:INDIA) for notifications about ongoing discussions and please be more neutral next time.  ƬheStrike  Σagle   09:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It does not matter that you were watchlisting, OZ's actions were very clearly canvassing and it is not right to call in users that share your pov or the ones you even think will share your POV. Similarly informing WT India and not informing WT Pak like he did before is subtle canvassing. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 09:26, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is not a violation of WP:CANVASSING if you have notified same user who is editing the pages about the same war for few years. Check WP:Canvassing, point four.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * SE has never edited this page before. So the fact that you think he has similar POV on other articles and you choose to notify him to support you is clear cut canvassing.. SE himself has apparently told you that in a different way so you should take heed. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 12:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * He was not aware about your misrepresentation of notifying on WT:INB, but I have informed him. Check WP:Canvassing carefully. It says:-
 * Editors who have made substantial edits to the topic or article.
 * Editors who have participated in previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics).
 * Editors known for expertise in the field.
 * Editors who have asked to be kept informed.
 * Certainly Eagle Strike passes all 4 requirements above.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see how any of them are satisfied, but I wasn't going to pursue it any further this time anyway.. it's useless hostility to debate it. Let's try not to barge into disputes because we had one disagreement at one place. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 15:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Engaging in outside edit war for pleasure?
Why get into a conflict on the berber talk page and not contribute anything? Amaruca (talk) 08:50, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is on my watchlist, I have edited Berber for long. It is rare to see people reverting edits on talk pages, I just thought of look there and found that you are changing the words of post that wasn't made by you. Do not edit others' messages, except under special circumstances.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:55, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It's also rare for affluent editors to engage in such disrespectful and inflammatory tactics against others.--Amaruca (talk) 11:09, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

So you want to start an edit war on the Animism page as well? Let's take it up on the Animism talk page, please.--Amaruca (talk) 11:01, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You have changed "animism" → "Animism" so many times that your edits have removed working links and introduced dead links. One of the example would be that you have changed www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/seasia/ a nimism.html to www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/seasia/ A nimism.html  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:09, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's why you shouldn't engage in edit wars.--Amaruca (talk) 11:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Although this time you have been blocked for 24 hours, from next time, consider proposing your edits on talk and gain WP:CONSENSUS.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy holidays :-)
Hi, Thanks for your kind message. I hope this is a happy time of year for you in celebrating holidays. I always appreciate your support, <b style="color:#7F007F">Daniellagreen</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  01:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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Gallery
Do Gallery needed at this page. As per WP:Gallery. List_of_cities_in_Andhra_Pradesh_by_population.--Vin09 (talk) 10:28, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * it is not needed.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

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Re
Hi, I noticed you are involved in a discussion regarding Topgun on some noticeboard. What do you say about his warning on my talk page? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:27, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that it was worth it to remind you about the sanctions, I haven't looked into the matter and if you can prove that there is misconduct, you are welcome to inform your concerns about Topgun on WP:ARE.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Informing me about the sanctions is fine, but not assuming good faith and warning me for no apparent reason is what concerns me. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:33, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes it is concerning.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:36, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That is all that I wanted to know. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:40, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

War outcome related article needs expert view
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An RFC is here ,I think you were involved in editing would request comments from you in this Shrikanthv (talk) 11:10, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Chawinda
I strongly suggest you don't make any further reverts there. A discussion has been started in the talk, I suggest you join.  ƬheStrike  Σagle   17:53, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I had actually posted on talk page before he would. However, he seems to be more active in misrepresenting source/removing maintenance templates.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:56, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

"Rape in India"
Hi. I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm not sure whether I'll be a long-term user or not, but I have a wide-ranging interest in feminist topics and would greatly appreciate it if you could take some time to clear up the issue with my edit you've been reverting. (If there's a better place for me to be contacting you about this, please don't hesitate to point it out!) In particular, as a newbie the explanation you gave - "added once with stats" - is unintelligible to me, but if you can clear up what I should be doing differently I'd be happy to take the time to learn, so long as it isn't anything too complicated. If you can forgive me, I assumed you were just some vandal until seeing your profile.

Now, given the way I personally was taught, my understanding has always been that in a sentence such as "The incidence of reported rapes in India for 2010 were 1.8 per 100,000 people...", the "were" lines up with "incidence" and not "rapes", therefore in effect saying "the incidence were", which should be "the incidence was". Does Wikipedia have a policy about this?

Thanks for any help or direction you can offer.

Helen Helen39 (talk) 04:53, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is pretty important to state whether the rapes were reported or not. For example, we do have the statistics that have been provided by various NGOs, but many of them haven't been reported to the police. That's why the current position of the sentence are shown according to their category.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:02, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Closure
HI, can you ask for some admin closure on RFC at battle of chawinda ? , I have also aske for one already may be they are busy Shrikanthv (talk) 10:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Will talk about closure soon. Despite the good opposes, you can see the ongoing bludgeoning there. Had recently informed Mr. Stradivarius about it. See what happens.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * RFC allow time is 30 days WP:RFC it is controversial wait for neutral users for 30 days. --- The SawTooth   (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Not all the time, RFC can be closed before 30 days.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Merry
To you and yours FWiW  Bzuk (talk) 14:40, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Flag
Does it needed to place flag in infobox settlemnt for country? page1, page2, page3, page4. Once check these edits.--Vin09 (talk) 04:36, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with adding flags although if they are removed they shouldn't be added back until consensus.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you.
Now I understand what you were talking about. Thank you very much for your kind help.

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