User talk:Oceanh/Archive2007

Wikilinked dates
Hi. I noticed that your recent edits to Bessie Smith removed some of the Wikilinks around dates, such as September 26 1937. While such a Wikilink may appear to be "non-substantial", as you wrote, the link actually helps Wikipedia show the date in accordance with the reader's date preference. September 26 will appear as September 26 to some readers and 26 September to others. Without the Wikilink, the date will appear as September 26 to all readers. I didn't know if you were aware of the purpose of the Wikilink, so I wanted to let you know. Thanks. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 04:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing at this guideline from Manual of Style (dates and numbers), which I was not aware of. Sorry for the extra labour of putting the four date links back.   The intention was to "improve" the text according to Manual of Style saying: "Make only links relevant to the context. (...) A high density of links can draw attention away from the high-value links that you would like your readers to follow up." Oceanh 21:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Questions
I replied to you on my talk page. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 22:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

For easy access and archiving purpose, discussion is copied here (from User talk:Infrogmation:"Thanks for welcome message, and some questions."):

Thank you for a kind welcome message on my user page. It seems to me that we have at least some common interests (particularly in music). Also thanks for offering help if needed.

I have a few questions related to copyright issues of "my own pictures". I don't expect answers to every question, but any comments would be appreciated, be it personal opinions, or pointers to rules/guidelines or discussion pages.

1. Are nature scenes always ok? Guess normally yes, but are there exeptions?

2. Are man-made objects ok? When is permittance from designers, architects, producers, owners necessary (and in what form), and when is no explicit permittance needed?

3. Are people ok? When is permittance from persons on a picture necessary (and in what form), and when is no explicit permittance needed?

4. (This also goes for sound and/or video clips:) Is a 'performance' (like singing, dancing, playing, running, working, cooking, fighting, crying, praying, public speech, etc) ok ? When is explicit permittance needed, from performers, songwriters, choreographers, organizers of sports events, theatre or stadion owners, etc., needed (and in what form), and when is no explicit permittance needed? What about other events, like accidents, children playing, spectators at a concert or sports event.

5. About notability of pictures - Are only pictures used in articles ok? What about other pictures, are they welcomed or not? If I upload, say, ten pictures of a mountain and use only one, or ten different statues in a park and use one or two, or ten pictures from a concert, or 'all' items from a museum and use a few of them - would the 'extra' stuff be considered unwanted noice?

Again, comments or pointers would be much appreciated. --Oceanh 21:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. See Copyrights and Image use policy for details of policies of much of what you bring up. In short, your own original photos which you're willing to free licence are very welcome.  Don't violate someone else's copyright-- for example, if you take a photo of a modern copyrighted poster the copyright still resides with the poster's copyright holder, not you. Songs (unless they are old enough to have become public domain) are usually under copyright. Check that link and related pages for more details.  Wikipedia does allow for some "fair use" of copyrighted material under limited circumstances where it is relevent to the article; see Fair use.  Images uploaded to Wikipedia should be directly relevent to and intended for a specific article.  However, please check out our related image project, Commons.  For example if you took 10 good photos of a mountain, you could upload them to Commons, then put them in a gallery and/or category (explained there) about the mountain.  Images on Commons can be put directly into Wikipedia articles just as if you uploaded them here, plus there are other advantages: images on Commons can also be directly linked in wikipedia projects in other languages-- so an editor in the German or Spanish language version of Wikipedia might pick a different one of your 10 photos to illustrate the article about the mountain in their language Wikipedia. As an example of one of the many articles that have a link to additonal images on Commons, see for example  Uxmal (the link to Commons is at the bottom of the page). If you have a fair number of original images you're willing to upload under a free licence, I encourage you to sign in at Commons as well-- it  takes a seperate log in, but most users use the same user name. (Note that unlike here Commons does not accept any "fair use" of copyrighted material, because this is not allowed in some other countries.)   I hope this helps get you started; take some time familiarizing yourself with the Image use policy and copyrights, and if you have specific questions ask on the article talk page or here. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 22:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the prompt and thorough answer, including pointers and examples! Especially the section "User-created images" in "Wikipedia:Image use policy" answered several (although not all) of the questions asked. Also, using "Wikimedia:Commons" might be a good idea. --Oceanh 06:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Musicals
Hello! I notice you have been contributing to musical theatre articles. Please consider joining WP:MUSICALS. When you start a new article about a musical or a performer/creator/director, etc. in musicals, please copy and paste this on the new article's talk page:. Thanks, and welcome! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 21:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. If wanted I can place the tag on relevant articles. Since it is a project-related tag I thought it was more or less reserved for members of WP:Musicals. Oceanh 02:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the good work on musicals (and related) articles! By putting the tag on the new articles, it helps to alert us that there is a new article there that people can contribute to. Anyone can join WP:MUSICALS, and since you seem to like musicals, I would encourage you to do so. Best regards! -- Ssilvers 02:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for improving the articles At Home Abroad and The Blue Paradise by adding information and references! I prefer live music and theatre to studo music and cinema, and the musical is one of several arenas for live music. Quite a bit notable stuff on musicals is still missing in Wikipedia, and hope to be able to contribute now and then. Will still wait some time before committing to any special project. Oceanh 23:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC).

Hello again. Nice to see that you are still adding new musicals articles. You are right: Wikipedia still has a lot of work to do in the Musicals area. But we are chipping away at it! One suggestion: Nearly all shows that played on Broadway in the 20th century have an IBDB page. If you search for "[name of the show] and IBDB" on google, it will usually pop right up. IBDB gives a complete list of songs (and which characters sing them), Tony/Drama Desk awards and noms, tells you which roles were played by which actors, and gives a list of the theatres and dates. Plus, if there was a revival, you can see that by clicking on the name of the show. Take a look at the edits that I just made to As the Girls Go‎. Best regards, and Happy Editing! -- Ssilvers 20:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, fine contributions from you on As the Girls Go! It's always an inspiration to see responses to new articles. The ibdb database is a great source of information, but so far I have mostly used books from my bookshelf as source for the musicals. While the database is more complete, musicals are selected for books based on certain criteria that also might make them especially notable for Wikipedia (quality, importance, acceptance, people involved, significance, length of run, etc). But of course, to make articles better and more complete, information from the database is very much welcomed (and needed)! - as is also references to press reviews and other sources. Oceanh 00:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC).

Hypersudoku SVG images
I noticed you created a couple SVG Hypersudoku diagrams (initial and solution) to illustrate the Sudoku article. In their image pages, you state: "Both the puzzle and the image is created by me, Oceanh." However, both images were edited from diagrams I made (initial and solution) for the same purpose. The only difference I see is in the puzzle being depicted; but the SVG markup is clearly based on my work.

I don't doubt that it was done in good faith, so I apologize for this; however, I would appreciate credit where it's due, or at the least, don't make it sound like you created the images all by yourself. -- Vystrix Nexoth 23:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks you for the notification!


 * I have now added credits to the images, where you are given credit for a significant part of the svg-code, and Chris McCusker is given credit for the diagram design. Links to the previous works are also included.


 * I agree with you that it is important that due credit is given. You have invested time on manually converting the jpg-image to svg, with excellent result, and deserve proper credit for it. My main contribution was to create a valid puzzle, and putting it into a similar diagram as the previous (invalid) example.


 * Please check the images, and tell if the way the credits appear now is acceptable or not. For instance, I licensed my contributions under both GNU and Creative Commons, while your image was licensed only under GNU. Creative Commons says, "In short: you are free to distribute and modify the file as long as you attribute its author(s) or licensor(s)." If the GNU license is more restrictive, does that mean that the CC-license is illegal, or is it only valid for my contributions, for instance the puzzle itself? These images were the first I uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, and I want everything to be as fair and correct as possible. Oceanh 03:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC).


 * The credits are quite acceptable now. Thank you. :)


 * As for the GFDL+CC dual-licensing, I myself have no objections to it for these images. That having been said, I don't know whether or not they're compatible in the way you've used them. My suggestion is: if you make a derivative work from something that's under Free licensing, you should license the result the same way, to be on the safe side. -- Vystrix Nexoth 04:27, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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Rida Johnson Young (nom)
Hi. I've nominated Rida Johnson Young, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know, where you can improve it if you see fit. &mdash; Komusou talk @ 17:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the nomination. Oceanh (talk) 02:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC).

Terra
I agree to 'also' being placed before Citigroup if you prefer the directly quoted words (if that is what they are) remaining in the article as they were actually quoted... however, grammatically it belongs before 'contends' because the preceding paragraph already contains a reference to an issue brought to the fore by the Authority; therefore this one is an additional issue, hence the use of 'also' BEFORE 'contends'. Can you confirm that you want the original quote? Because if it is anything else... 'also' belongs before 'contends'.AirdishStraus 20:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * First, thank you for improving the article! The quotation is a direct translation (although informal, done by myself) of two paragraphs from page four of the seven pages long official letter referred to. The word "also" is originally, as I read it, referring to a conclusion directly above the quotation (but not quoted in the article): "The Supervisory Authority contends that Terra Securities ASA's presentation appears insufficient and misleading because central elements like the possibility of potential extra payments and losses, together with the size of these, are omitted." So, "also" is not, as I see it, referring to an additional issue, but an additional conclusion, saying that "also Citigroup's presentation appears insufficient and misleading". But English is not my native language, so I appreciate very much every grammatical and other correction, as long as the original meaning of words/sentences is not altered! Therefore I trust your judgement in this matter. Again, thanks for the improvements!
 * PS. I have added the mentioned preceeding conclusion into the article, but am a bit worried about the length of the quotation. Oceanh (talk) 23:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * PPS. After studying dictionaries, here is a suggested change: "The Supervisory Authority contends that as well Citigroup's presentation, similar to the presentation from Terra Securities ASA, appears insufficient and misleading because central elements like information about potential extra payments and the size of these are omitted." Oceanh (talk) 23:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Hi again! I think my latest edit should solve the minor grammatical problem. Whatever your native language (I'm assuming Norwegian because of the nature of the topic, but I could be wrong) your English skills are excellent! If you are a Norwegian speaker then I am happy to say that I started learning Norwegian about 10 years ago (I am English) but have not found alot of time to progress further than some basics. I used to have a friend who lived in Drøbak just south of Oslo but we lost touch. Glad to help out with the article! I learned alot from it. AirdishStraus (talk) 00:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks again! Your latest edit looks fine, resulting in better grammar, more fluent language, and the original meaning is preserved as far as I can judge. I also liked your earlier improvement of the "Press coverage" section. If you know Norwegian, you can also read the original letter which presumably is still available online (except for the attachments). Most of the letter is related to Terra Securities (including technical details I don't fully understand), while I translated only the part concerning the document "Citigroup Municipal Investors TOB Capital Municipal Portfolio" (which I do not have access to). After receiving the letter Terra Securities immediately (the day after) filed for bankruptcy. It might be a legitimate question to ask in which other countries these or similar products have been sold, and total sales worldwide, but it's not yet a Wikipedia issue.  Oceanh (talk) 02:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC).

Gerardo García Pimentel
Greetings, Could you please let me know how Gerardo García Pimentel satifies notability guidelines? -- su mn ji m  talk with me·changes 21:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Gerardo García Pimentel is probably most notable for the incident when he was shot, presumably executed by gangsters involved in drug traffic. This incident has been reported in newspapers and other media worldwide. Maybe there should be an article about the incident instead of the person (the victim)? I would appreciate your suggestions. Thanks. Oceanh (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC).