User talk:Ocrasaroon/Archive 1

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Testing my own little "discussion" page.

sections...hmm...
What does this mean? I want a new section for me!!

questions...
Oddly, I was recently told not to move my talk page out of the user space. Don't really know what that means, as my this page is clearly the "discussion" page for my user page. I think, though, that what's even more unusual, is that someone had actually found and viewed this page in the first place. I can't really think of any reason why anyone could have possibly come upon this page in the first place...unless someone didn't care for the grammar/spelling edits I do a hundred times a day.

still just don't GET it...
How does one inadvertently make their talk page an "article" page? And, if we're being technical, aren't all of our user pages (and their respective discussions) "articles" in the true sense of the word? I mean...my user page is an "article" about the user "OcrasAroon" and the talk page about said user is an "article" containing information, opinions, ideas, criticism, suggestions, etc...for the actual OcrasAroon user name?

These are mysteries I'm determined to solve. (! really)

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"Typo" fixing
This edit was unnecessary and incorrect. "lede" is an alternate spelling, see WP:LEDE. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * See also WP:TPG about editing others' comments. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you're missing the spirit of the guideline. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What you said is true, but on Wikipedia many editors use lead and lede in the same way (I myself prefer "lead"). Anyway, not worth picking a fight about. Have a nice day! Dabomb87 (talk) 13:20, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

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Auschwitz
Excellent wikifairying. :)  SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 14:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

National Anthem of Russia
I saw your name at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/List of participants and I wonder if you would like to copyedit this article. It is current at Featured article candidates. Thanks for your attention. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

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Aw shucks? Im gonna blush! Thanks for my first barnstar!Thelmadatter (talk) 19:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

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tense
Jericho was a TV series, Hamlet was a play .... —Tamfang (talk) 07:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Have they ceased to exist? I still have a copy of Hamlet. Rodhull  andemu  20:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

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UK bands
Please reconsider this. The articles for British bands use British English, in which bands are referred to as plural (as they have been since the 1950s). Please see, for example, here, under "band names". That is also long-standing consensus on Wikipedia, so please be prepared for some reversion and edit-warring. Probably better to stick with the way it is. Rodhull andemu  20:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * With respect Rod this would also stand extant for bands from many, many other countries as well as Britain ... consider also Canadian, Australian and virtually every European country. As far as I am aware the US is almost alone in applying a singular protocol to groups, clubs etc 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 21:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Couldn't disagree with that. Not my fault the Yanks get it wrong again. ;-) Rodhull  andemu  23:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

American bands - "be" verb tense changes
(This is a specific section I added for anyone who needs to ask a question or make a comment on this subject so I have it all in one place and don't overlook anything.)

Copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music‎:

I need to be very clear on all this, so help me out: I was under the impression that, to gather a consensus, one needs to say - "In situation A, the possible approaches are B and C. Please state which option feels correct to you." I would assume the topic would be left open for a short amount of time (anywhere from a few days to a couple weeks) and then closed. At the end of that time, whichever option had the most individual user's advocacy would be accepted as the consensus...let's assume "C". So from that point on, "C" would be the appropriate standard to use in editing. At least until someone disagreed and a new consensus was taken.

To me that feels like a vote. Informal, yes, but a vote nonetheless. One that gathers a consensus. Before I can do anything like this I need to be sure I'm doing the right thing and following the right procedure. (Though I am inclined to feel that simply by opening this topic in a number of projects, I've started the process.) ocrasaroon (talk) 22:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Not really. What you need to do is persuade everyone (or virtually everyone) that a new policy or guideline should be adopted. If you present a change and, after fair time and attempts to alert interested parties everyone agrees then it can be adopted, but this is only likely to happen when a policy is non-controversial. If agreement cannot be reached then the attempt will have to be abandoned or some sort of compromise proposed around which everyone can agree. To be honest, in this case, the only likely workable compromise is the status quo, although it may be good to get this formalised. If you think about it, it can only work this way, or editors will not apply it on the individual articles. So its much more about persuasion than voting.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 22:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * As per comments above WP:ENGVAR is a well-established principle. You are tilting at a windmill. IMO. Wwwhatsup (talk) 22:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * More than anything else wholesale changes to existing articles, even American ones, would seem to transgress WP:RETAIN which states When an article has evolved sufficiently for it to be clear which variety it employs, the whole article should continue to conform to that variety, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. When an article has not yet evolved to that point, the variety chosen by the first major contributor should be adopted. Where an article that is not a stub shows no signs of which variety it is written in, the first person to make an edit that disambiguates the variety is equivalent to the first major contributor.


 * For instance your recent edit to The Killers would seem to ride roughshod over the principles of WP:RETAIN, but that is just my opinion for what it is worth. 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 23:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see this distributed discussion leading to anything that would stick. It's already on at least four discussion pages, and I propose that a Request for Comment be opened, in the absence of an obvious central venue for this. I'd do it myself, but I am in favour of the status quo ante and may not be seen as unbiased. However, if that happens, I do reserve the right to comment. Rodhull  andemu  23:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Band is/are
Before you change anything, please read American_and_British_English_differences. This explains why 'The Killers are...' is correct, even in American English.--Michig (talk) 06:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! I saw the discussion on the WikiProject Rock music page and I was just going to come here and link to this same wiki article, but I see that Michig got here before me. Yes, if the band's name is a plural proper noun, then "were" or "are" (depending on whether they're still together) is correct, even in American English. That's why "The Killers are..." or "The Mouldy Peaches were..." is correct and should not be changed. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:37, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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