User talk:Oculi/Archive 3

Template:infobox GB school
Hi there. Thanks for the info, it's kind of worrying. The blank space at the top seems to stem from not having an image in the infobox, but it shouldn't do that. When I have some time I'll attempt to fix it. For the moment, I've uploaded the King Ecgbert logo and put that in: King Ecgbert School.

For the location, I had to make a small sacrifice. Originally, it was an optional field but if it was used every line had to be filled (street, city, county, city). Now, it's a mandatory field but only city and country need be filled in - but they're pretty important. (Chgallen 09:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC))


 * Well, that looks very nice (to me) - just the right size for the article. Thanks. Occuli 11:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Good job! That fiddling seems to have done the trick.  (Chgallen 17:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC))

Peter Vardys
Well spotted. They are of course different people (so again am I) and merging would be an error. My response is on Talk:Peter Vardy (businessman). Thanks for drawing my attention to it. I hope that will be the end of it. I don't think I will be merged because there is no article about me. Peter I. Vardy 21:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Cat Operas
Thank you very much! I'm delighted to see these lists. Particularly the first one. You are obviously very good at using AWB. (I can't use it because I am on a Mac.) Can I digest the implications of this and get back to you? I'll probably have a few questions. Anyway I am most grateful. Best. -- Kleinzach 00:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Terrific! I've almost finished going through the first list and correcting the cats. All this is very useful. Best. -- Kleinzach 04:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Incidentally opera not categorized by genre is no problem. There are lots of operas which are simply operas and don't require any further description. -- Kleinzach 05:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I am relieved to hear that genre is not essential; and note your appreciative comments ... Occuli 15:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I am wondering whether ir's possible to use AWB to extract some stats out of a list. (This may be a naive question - if so please tell me!). Our main opera list is The opera corpus. You can see the stats at the foot of the page. I've been gathering them in different ways, including using a word processor. One thing I haven't been able to do is count blue links (composers/opera titles). Do you know if there's a way of doing this? Best. -- Kleinzach 03:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to say thanks again. I've replied on my page. -- Kleinzach 01:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Opera stats again
Hi. I am looking at the opera article stats again. I was thinking of asking you about it, but are you away from WP at the moment? Perhaps you can let me know if you come back? Thanks. -- Kleinzach 00:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Ivybridge Community College
Thanks for removing the notability box and for fixing the coordinates. Bsrboy (talk) 17:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd be quite happy to remove the neutrality and clean-up tags too. Looks fine to me. Occuli (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Please do. I don't want to start edit wars with The Elfoid. Bsrboy (talk) 22:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Have done so. Just rephrase things if people object unless you can find a source. One point is that should be after punctuation (with no space). Ask them what is POV and what needs cleaning up. Occuli (talk) 17:51, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought it was before punctuation. Should I change all of them? Bsrboy (talk) 17:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Nearly all of the information in the infobox uses the same source (Ofsted). At the moment the reference is at the very bottom of the infobox. Is this where it is meant to be? Bsrboy (talk) 17:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

CfD
No, apologies if it's not clear, I closed it as rename. But american sex offenders does have a parent category, sex offenders by nationality. It always did. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * But sex offenders by nationality is a subcat scheme for Category:Sex Offenders. You can't rename the top one and leave all the others. Besides these should all be subcats of the renamed cat Category:People convicted of sex crimes which now has no subcats and only 3 articles, and is being discussed at 1 Apr cfd. Occuli (talk) 00:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It may be that Matisse removed the subcats before the rename, eg this bizarre diff and a similar one for sex offenders by nationality. Occuli (talk) 01:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Rfa
Many thanks. I added my opposition. Ward3001 (talk) 14:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Leslie Satcher
I brought up some discussion regarding the Leslie Satcher category on The Wub's talk page; you can see it here. Basically, I feel that writers generally don't get the recognition that songwriters do, and a writer would likely have to have more notable songs than just one or two to deserve a category. Plus, there are some music personnel who only write on very rare occasions; Keith Stegall and Frank Rogers (record producer) come to mind. Ten Pound Hammer Farfel and his otters • (Broken clamshells• Otter chirps) 04:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:Guardian journalists
Hi there, I've just appended a new comment at the CFD for Category:Guardian journalists. Would you be good enough to take a look? Thanks. Cgingold (talk) 02:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Alabama (band)
Okay, I was wrong doing it for the April 22 nom. Apparently that rename was against conventions; I've been told in other CFDs that band categories should avoid the (band). When the page on the duo Sugarland was still at Sugarland (duo), their songs were at Category:Sugarland (duo) songs, which User:Ericorbit told me went against naming conventions. I forgot entirely that I cfd'ed the albums in the first place, and am now reversing my mistake. Make sense? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything anywhere to suggest that an article 'XXX (band)' should drop 'band' in category names. Besides, your rationale in the cfd does not mention this. Occuli (talk) 12:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The opera corpus
Hi. I see you are around here again! I wonder if you remember the AWB job you did on The opera corpus last year (see above). I wonder if we could have another go at this to update our figures? Regards. -- Klein zach  01:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I could have another go with AWB. Remind me what was involved. (Whether all the composers in the subcats were also listed at the top level. Was there more to it?) Occuli (talk) 17:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We did several things last year but with the The opera corpus you found a clever way of separating the red and blue links (and also distinguishing them from the composers), so we could get a figure for the blue titles, a figure for red titles and a figure for composers. Does that make sense? Do you remember how you did it? -- Klein zach  23:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It does make sense - maybe I can find some traces of what was done last year. Occuli (talk) 00:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've made a start at Sandbox1. This immediately gives the number of composers (but doesn't allow easy jumping to the letter M for instance). I've also changed all - to – in the dates and have attempted to impose consistency on the format (1923– ): (some were missing the space, others the colon). Also some of redlinks are repeated (eg Fedra appears twice). Also some have multiple composers. Finally are all the blue-linked operas supposed to be in Category:Operas (which counts its members - 1433 excluding 3 lists) and vice versa? Occuli (talk) 16:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's absolutely terrific. I'm now correcting all the redirects. I am going to mark up each sandbox when I've copied over the data to my own files - and then you can delete them if you like. More later. -- Klein zach  00:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I've finished. I was able to get all the information I needed. Many thanks. You can delete all the data from your pages if you like. Regards. -- Klein zach  05:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Richard Landis
I'm finding no sources for an article on Richard Landis. Nothing at all. So why bother with a category if he fails WP:V? He's produced a few albums, but that doesn't make him inherently notable. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 16:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The point is that if a notable album has a single producer X, then 'produced by X' is a 'defining characteristic' of the album, so there should be a category. I don't think the notability of X is relevant. (Here we have 11 albums and there will surely be others - I expect somewhere there is an article to be written.) The other discussions involved co-producers - it was argued that the producer was not a defining characteristic if there were were several others, and that a category wasn't justified if there were no solo credits. (He does have his own album - Richard Landis - Natural Causes, 1972.) Occuli (talk) 17:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that the producer is always a defining characteristic. If it's someone like Phil Spector, who has an instantly identifiable production style, then yes; otherwise, anyone could've produced it. Csaba Petocz produced two or three albums (including two for John Michael Montgomery) in the late 1990s and nothing else; does that mean that we should have a category for Csaba too? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:Albums produced by Robert John "Mutt" Lange
You might want to take another look at this CFD. There's currently a pagemove request on Robert Lange, as he is most often credited as "Robert John 'Mutt' Lange", and it looks like the page will indeed be moved. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 14:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Date format poll confirmation
You recently contributed to a poll on date formats. The option you supported won the poll but is now an option in a final poll to test support against the current version. The poll gives full instructions, but briefly the choices are: If you wish to participate or review the progress of this poll, you may follow this link. --Pete (talk) 01:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * C = Option C, the winner of the initial poll and run-off. (US articles have US format dates, international format otherwise)
 * R = Retain existing wording. (National format for English-speaking countries, no guidance otherwise).

BlackHawk (band) vs. BlackHawk
Why the hell does this need the "band" at the end? There's NOTHING ELSE that uses the exact spelling BlackHawk (note the capital H), and there's a link to the dab page on the band's page. I can't possibly imagine anyone getting confused over it. I think it's just stupid to have the "(band)" at the end when it's not needed. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I got a little steamed. Anyway, like I said, there already is an otheruses tag on BlackHawk, so I really see no need for a qualifier. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Myers grove school
Thanks for ref, I've updated it with both names and the ref. (it was part right when i found it and updated ibox originaly) but then several changes occured and I put it to the one listed on the school web site as a safe option. - Thanks BulldozerD11 (talk)


 * I hoped you might ... It's surprising that there's not more on such resignations - eg something official on the LEA site. (It's a big deal when a head just goes, which I think is what happened.) Occuli (talk) 18:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your prompt action. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You are most welcome. There are some bizarre editors out there. Occuli (talk) 14:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

rv
I reverted you at Alabama, the map contains a (probably malicious) link to an article that is nothing to to with geography. cygnis insignis 14:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I undid it again, because I thought the problem was resolved. It is simply unacceptable. Please remove it again. cygnis insignis 14:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To what do you refer? I have done nothing for some hours. Occuli (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I reverted this edit, then undid myself when I read there was no longer problem. However, there still appears to be one. cygnis insignis 14:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Dariusz Ratajczak
According to WP:BIO Dariusz Ratajczak isn't notable. One BBC news isn't enough to become notable.Xx236 (talk) 13:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I hadn't realised he was mentioned in WP:BIO. How many BBC news's would you like, ideally? I must say the article looks fine to me - take it to afd if you wish. Occuli (talk) 13:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Is In 2002 Ratajczak was considered as a candidate (for local government) - notable political activity? right wing is a Communist language for a nationalist, but the Right-wing politics discusses rather economical freedom. Xx236 (talk) 13:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Take it to afd. I think he is notable. Occuli (talk) 15:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

CfD Late addition
Re Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 21, where you gave an opinion on Category:Reading Abbey, I have since discovered and added a second cat - Category:Saint Michael's Abbey, Farnborough - to the nomination for precisely the same reason as the original, but as you did not have the opportunity of looking at that one when you left your comment, I thought it fair to notify you that the entry is now different, in case you wanted to make any changes. HeartofaDog (talk) 14:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Continuation High Schools
You said But surely other states have such schools under a different name. That's not necessarily true. The general terms are "non-traditional" or "alternative" high schools, and those terms are used by different states to means slightly different things. In particular, their legal framework differs from state to state. Even the term Continuation high school has a somewhat different specific meaning and specific legal framework in California vs. Denmark. Personally, I think the category breakdown within the US should be:


 * Non-traditional education in the United States
 * Non-traditional education in state
 * insert specific type of non-traditional school or school system in state

For example, magnet schools, judicial/prison schools and school systems, non-judicial discipline/punishment schools, experimental-curriculum schools, alternative-format schools, post-drug-rehab schools, schools for working students, etc.

There are some educational categories that have meaning worldwide or at least in a large enough region that they should be listed in Category:Schools by type. Because there is no one category that fits these "alternative" or "comprehensive" schools across jurisdictions, I don't see the need for a worldwide or even US-wide category for them.

davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Agree with you on Continuation High Schools
I agree with you and have the pages being discussed under db-author, so that they're deleted. No need for them. The only ones that aren't on there are Category: Continuation High schools in the United States and Category: Continuation High schools in California. Can you though let me know how to request a move to have Category: Continuation High schools in the United States moved to Category: Continuation High schools in California. I feel that the Category: Continuation High schools in the United States should be Category: Continuation High schools in California. If you check out that page, all the schools listed on that page are California schools. Hopefully you agree. We'll go ahead and keep the other pages as db-author, which is a better fit. If I would have known about db-author, we wouldn't be discussing about them, but they should be deleted tomorrow, if approved. Thanks.--JoeCool950 (talk) 06:27, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Just move all the articles from Category:Continuation High schools in the United States to Category:Continuation High schools in California and db-author the first. It should be Category:Continuation high schools in California (lower-case) which can be done by speedy-rename or by the cfd. Occuli (talk) 10:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I moved the articles. Occuli (talk) 11:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Railway station coordinates
Thanks for your kind offer. If you can give me a list of hand-corrected northings and eastings for the railway station articles, I can easily use my bot to convert these to high-precision latitude/longitude values and then add those positions to the articles. -- The Anome (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added 8 or 9 at the end of your list in a few minutes. Will do more in moments of idleness. Occuli (talk) 14:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Alumni/ pupils
Thanks for your message. You may be right that 'pupils' is old-fashioned, but these UK school categories face repeated (and unsuccessful) efforts from outside the UK to impose the word alumni on them, a word which is hardly used at all by UK schools, although it is now used by UK universities. We need to find some consistency, and most of the recent new cats which are not on the Old Erewhonians principle have used 'Former pupils of...'. Xn4 ( talk ) 02:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The greater danger in my view is that by looking too UK-centric that most of these will face cfds and possible deletion (there have been repeated challenges to Old Erewhonians). There was an attempt to delete all the US school alumni cats by cfd in Apr 2008 which was then challenged at DRV. (The earlier consistent UK convention for schools was to use Old Erewhonians when such a name existed and 'alumni of' otherwise. I agree that alumni was not used at all in the UK until recently and it is disappointing that the Oxbridge college cats are no longer called 'Old Aularians', 'Old Caians' etc.) 'Pupils' is old-fashioned - my wife teaches and from age 11 upwards they are students. (UK comprehensive schools do now have proms, a regrettable US invasion like Halloween; I'm not entirely confident that they don't have alumni. I suppose I could ask my children.) I'd go for 'Alumni of Erewhon Comp' myself, if asked. Occuli (talk) 14:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There are 11 'Alumni of' categories in Category:People by school in England created by several different editors and just 5 'Former pupils' ones all created (and mis-sorted) by the same editor. I am pretty sure that cfd would support 'alumni of' (but run the risk of 'delete' and also of drawing unwelcome attention to the Old Erewhonians). Occuli (talk) 15:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with all you say except "I am pretty sure that cfd would support 'alumni of'". The cfds I'm aware of haven't done so – please see Category talk:People by school in England, where I've linked them and summarized the outcome. Regards, Xn4  ( talk ) 06:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see you've added to that, so it isn't new to you. Xn4  ( talk ) 06:11, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There is the cfd for 'Former Students of Easington Community Science College' which changed it to 'Alumni of' (and illustrates the dangers of 'delete'). I am not aware of any consensus having been expressed in favour of 'Former pupils'. I see Australia uses 'Former students'. (I am in favour of using 'Old Fooians' where possible but often there is no such term, eg for Wath or Easington as far as I know.) Occuli (talk) 14:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Disused railway stations
I've now run my bot over your entries in User:The Anome/npemap.org.uk URLs, and added the coordinates you have given to those articles that were missing geographic coordinates, as lat/long to five decimal places. I've now removed those entries. -- The Anome (talk) 16:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Good - encouraged by this I will do some more when the mood takes me. Occuli (talk) 16:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm going to work on npemap.org.uk URLs from A forwards ... wanted to check that we don't duplicate effort so thought I'd advise. I'll put some subsections in to help keep some order. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The A's will keep you busy for a while ... I'm working from Z backwards. Occuli (talk) 18:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Thanks to your help, we've been able to geocode 198 disused stations today. -- The Anome (talk) 01:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for your continued efforts on geocoding these stations. I've just used my bot to transfer the coordinates you've added so far to the Disused UK railway stations still lacking coordinates list into the appropriate articles. Please let me know when you want me to do this again, and I'll run it again. -- The Anome (talk) 14:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Richard Landis
Meh. I didn't realize I'd nominated this before. I do so much editing that sometimes I forget. Anyway, don't you think that if we should categorize by producer, that the producer should at least meet WP:N? That's my concern moreso than the fact that Landis is a red link — it's that he has almost zero chance at ever being a blue link. There are absolutely no sources on the guy, and I can't imagine an article ever being written on him, even if he has produced 15-20 albums for a few artists. Notability isn't inherited. Now, if it were Jerry Crutchfield, I wouldn't take issues, because even though he would also be red linked, he at least has a shot at having an article, as I know there are sources about him. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 19:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Quintinshill rail disaster
Your improvement to the article on the Quintinshill rail disaster had an edit summary (rescue from N Sea) that I found particularly witty, as well as correcting an error that had gone unnoticed. Thanks! --SSBohio 06:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have a look at my recent contributions you will see I have rescued quite a few submerged railway stations etc, from various oceans. The search method is the 'blue globe', and then scrutinise the briny for unlikely articles. Occuli (talk) 14:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Dalton Gates railway station
Hi, I noticed that you had added co-ordinates to Dalton Gates railway station and was interested to know how you found the details. The reason for this is that I could not locate any reference to Dalton Gates, see my comments at Talk:Eryholme-Richmond branch line. I was hoping for some feed-back before changing the articles. Keith D (talk) 17:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * See Dalton Gates for remarks re station - and that road across the line is called Dalton Gates (see googlemaps). I wasn't watching any related articles. I am supposing the station closed well before Beeching. By all mean revert if you think the evidence is merely circumstantial. Occuli (talk) 17:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you follow the 'Old OS maps' link in Geohack and then pick 'View at old-maps.co.uk' and then pick say the 1893 Yorkshire one (below the default map) there is some structure marked at Dalton Gates (which I assume was a level-crossing). Occuli (talk) 18:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for response. I did look at old-maps but had difficulty getting the enlarge/pan to work for anything other than the default map. I will leave for now, may get back to the line later once have been round the West Yorkshire & South Yorkshire stations. Someone may have more info by then. Keith D (talk) 18:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Bernie Andrews
Could you show me any actual sources for Bernie Andrews? 'Cause all I'm finding on Google et al is directory listings for albums, and nothing more than "This album was produced by Bernie Andrews". Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 19:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There will be written sources for him but perhaps not online (since stuff from the 70s is not generally online). Obviously he has been producing music for the BBC since the Beatles, as can be deduced online. He is by no means obscure - I have known his name since the 60s from the John Peel show (and also Pete Ritzema, who was usually the engineer if memory serves). (I don't in any case agree with the 'red-linked' bit. I do agree with the 'sole credits' criterion.) Occuli (talk) 21:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Then can you help me create an article on him so the redlink problem is solved? As was the case with Richard Landis, there seems to be quite the consensus that we shouldn't categorize by redlink producers. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Here are a few lines on him writen by John Peel in the The Independent in 2004 (enough for a good stub). Google brings up a postcard to him from John Lennon + much else besides. (The previous cfd on Landis produced no such consensus.) Occuli (talk) 10:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

CfD Conquistadors
This discussion in which you participated has been closed. One of the editors has asked that you help do the split of one of the existing categories. See the closed discussion for the details of the request. Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Coord - heads-up
FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Coord#Modifications Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Cape Verdean American subcategories and KBDank
Hi there Occuli,

The closure of debate on and the other subcategories for discussion is quite disappointing. Do you believe the admin closed correctly? I tried to engage in a discussion on it after he closed in favor of keep without reasoning and he wouldn't explain why exactly he went against WP:OC and in favor of the "I like" and "There are other" votes. Do you think it is worth taking to another level?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 23:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * These cfds can be rather random - ask the same question again in 6 months and you might get a blanket delete. 'No consensus' always leads to 'keep'; I would say the 3 debates are 'no consensus keeps'. Try a delete for the Armenian-Americans ones. It is odd that Nigerian Americans have gone but Cape Verdean ones remain. Occuli (talk) 00:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Badgering
Hi! When you said "And I was and remain 'opposed' and irritated again by WhisperToMe's remorseless repetitive badgering" - Would you mind explaining what this means? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Occuli, I consulted the IRC channel - Users told me that the way I questioned was fine and reasonable. On dispute pages it is common to be asked to substantiate your views, provide evidence, etc. It is the way talk pages work. So please don't feel startled the next time opponents ask you to explain why you chose an option, provide sources substantiating the view, etc. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Occuli (talk) 15:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Railway stations missing coordinates
I just thought I'd let you know that I've added more stations to User:The Anome/Disused UK railway stations still lacking coordinates as of Nov 2008. Thanks for all your efforts! -- The Anome (talk) 12:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

PW
I'm pretty sure the first one mentioned in User:Jc37/Tracking/Pastorwayne is Pastorwayne. Just look at the rate of category creation. Occuli (talk) 14:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See Sockpuppet investigations/Pastorwayne. Comments welcome. - jc37 11:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - will keep an eye on it. (EL created 17 new categories yesterday, good going even for PW.) Occuli (talk) 15:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. EstherLois is PastorWayne. I guess we need to collate the evidence and then go through reverting his contributions. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  11:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Please see my new comments at Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. Your opinion would be useful. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree - well-spotted. (You are probably well-placed to monitor future socks as there is an overlap between your nationality cats and PW's religious ones.) Occuli (talk) 00:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the PW notice—I'm not completely convinced about User:Protostan yet, though I agree with you that it very well could be PW, judging by the immediate interest in categories after account creation. But the same category creation hasn't yet been exhibited. I'm not confident enough about it to impose a block right now. Maybe keep an eye one the user's edits and let me know if it becomes more obvious. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that sounds very reasonable. Occuli (talk) 22:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Schinleber is back in action. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  15:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well-spotted; will observe for a bit (there is an edit summary, not a PW trait - is he trying to cover his tracks at last?). In looking around I found Category:Scottish Christian theologians, created by EL - a typically unnecessary PW idea. Occuli (talk) 15:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * NB Schinleber's last edits are Feb 2008. Occuli (talk) 15:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)