User talk:Oculi/Archive 7

Categories
Shouldn't they really be intertwined? See Category:The Beatles for an example. - Bossanoven (talk) 18:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't myself put Category:Ringo Starr (or the 3 others) as a parent (or child) category to Category:The Beatles. I agree that they are intertwined: one could use catseealso. Oculi (talk) 01:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

criminal
[FYI] Govindaharihari (talk) 04:22, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Level crossing accidents CFD
As the last participant in the Category:Level crossing accidents in the United States CFD, I suggested that it be renamed to Category:Railroad crossing accidents in the United States instead of the proposed Category:Grade crossing accidents in the United States. An admin closed the proposal as "move to Grade crossing...", but he also noted that another CFD regarding my proposal would be a valid option, so I've nominated Grade crossing accidents in the USA for renaming to Railroad crossing accidents in the USA. Please visit Categories for discussion/Log/2015 March 5 and offer your opinion, if you have one. Nyttend (talk) 02:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Council category renaming
Hello Oculi. I'd like to ask very kindly for you to support the category renaming. This is a process that a few of us have undertaken over the past couple of years, as originally the articles and categories for English council elections were a complete mess with several different formats. The articles were all standardised some time ago, and the categories were slowly being changed too. All the district and unitary councils have been done, and it was just left to do the MBCs (I think there only 21 of the MBC categories left with the incorrect names out of the few hundred categories). It would be extremely disappointing and frustrating to get so close to finalising the work only to have it blocked at the very last minute, and is certainly some stress I could have done without over Christmas. If you could see it in your heart to support the move so we can get the job finished (at long last), it would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Number   5  7  14:17, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Category:Organizations by subject
It appears to me that you want to put all the categories of organisations in a country into the container category "Organizations by subject in such a place". I must say I prefer that approach to the one we have now, where typically some of the subcategories are there, and some in the higher category "Organizations  in such a place". But that does not appear to be consistent with the top level category: Category:Organizations by subject where the head note explains what is meant by "subject": "This category gathers together categories of organizations by the subject or topic of the organization; its advocacy or mission." Using that approach "Clubs and Societies", "Charities", "Non-governmental organisations" and so on should not be put into Category:Organizations by subject because they don't have a common subject.Rathfelder (talk) 23:47, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * But each of the subcats of Category:Clubs and societies does have a common subject (apart from a few). Are you suggesting that all the individual subcats of Category:Clubs and societies should be put under 'by subject' one by one? I agree fully that it's a mess. Category:Non-governmental organizations has Category:Non-governmental organizations by subject and Category:Charitable organizations has Category:Charities by topic. My own view is that the best strategy upon finding a mess is to leave it well alone, which I think I will do with immediate effect (apart from watching out for emptied categories). Oculi (talk) 00:37, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I started with health organisations - which is what I know most about, but I've been drawn out into foreign territory, because I realised that there were other organisations I wanted to categorise or refer to hiding in inappropriate places. But I don't feel that it is quite fair that nobody ever criticises me for setting up new categories, but if I empty any - no matter how unhelpful they are - I get shouted at.  I would like to get agreement about how the logic should work, but I haven't found anywhere to have the discussion.  And it appears that those of us interested in categorisation are a small minority. Rathfelder (talk) 21:54, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Where to now?
hi Oculi - I see you reverted some vandalism on the Zomba, Malawi which i have also reverted three times! see the talk page for that article, please. Viking1808 (talk) 19:06, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's vandalism. The other repeated edit by the same ip is to put a lake and a Golden temple on the plateau. There is a reservoir but no lake and certainly no temple. You could always ask for a source for these odd claims. Oculi (talk) 17:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Satan/Devil
Please allow me to introduce myself ....., I'm an editor who has often seen your name on move/merge discussions, most recently on category 'devil'/The Devil. Everybody there is sensibly pointing out that 'The Devil'=Satan aka Lucifer etc, the singular personification of evil esp in Abrahamic religions, whereas 'Devil' is more generic and not inherently singular. In fact the 'Devil' article, largely covers the singular subject and almost throughout refers to 'The Devil'. There are merge/move etc. implications and also 'non-Abrahamic' uses, which I'm not sure would be covered by Satan. Any thoughts? Possible RfC?.Pincrete (talk) 11:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC) .....ps 'Pleased to meet you, Hope you got my name!" .....pps please ping if replying

Contests
User:Dr. Blofeld has created WikiProject Africa/Contests. The idea is to run a series of contests/editathons focusing on each region of Africa. He has spoken to Wikimedia about it and $1000-1500 is possible for prize money. As someone who has previously expressed interest in African topics, would you be interested in contributing to one or assisting draw up core article/missing article lists? He says he's thinking of North Africa for an inaugural one in October. If interested please sign up in the participants section of the Contest page, thanks.♦ -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:35, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

An other CfR discussion for US city categories
There's a new Categories for Renaming discussion going on about categories of US cities listed in the AP Stylebook. As you have participated in at least one of the more recent discussions in the subject, you may want to participate in the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 17. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

A discussion you may be interested in
I have just made a new nomination for renaming categories for those U.S cities where the article doesn't include the state name. Since you participated in a recent discussion about this, you may want to express your opinion at Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 6. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:18, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Massive categorization errors
You've just moved a lot of articles about Arab culture that have nothing to do with architecture to Category:Arabic architecture. Please undo. Eperoton (talk) 14:37, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. I can't see any obvious way of undoing this immediately so give me a little time. Oculi (talk) 14:42, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Cat a lot changes
A couple (or more) of your recent changes using cat a lot have been in error. Please review your contributions. are a couple I noticed, but it looks like you've noticed more, and eyeballing your contribs shows even more. --Izno (talk) 14:37, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed. I am getting AWB onto it. A blunder. Oculi (talk) 14:40, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think I have now done what I wished to do and undone what I instructed cat-a-lot to do. Oculi (talk) 16:02, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

A look back, a look at today
Looking back on this discussion, I find it intriguing that this and this  happened today. Especially after this. Notice in all the diffs that there is a connection between three accounts, two of which we have wondered about previously in relation to socking. This gives some interesting results, too. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:45, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes: see diff. This happened with WordSeventeen and Zpeople. They forget who is who. (Why on earth would you archive the talkpage of another editor?) Oculi (talk) 21:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh for God's sake, not again. Is it too early to file an SPI? 🙄 (ping in case he has some advice on this)  Zero talk  14:02, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * File away. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * To add: this has pretty much sealed the deal for me that they are all one in the same.  Same awkward wording/prose and language difficulties (if you look at the edits to this one section, you'll see the evolution of it). -- WV ● ✉ ✓  14:08, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Also note their desperation to get me blocked . Only someone who has an unpleasant history with me would go to such lengths, I think. Zpeopleheart and I have never tangled, that I recall. Also, why are they so worried about Fouetté/Carrie's reputation and knowledgeable about them going to ARBCOM?  Very telling behavior.  -- WV ● ✉ ✓  14:17, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks - unfortunately between the time I sent that message and as of right now I'm a tad busy, but I'll get around to it - if not by half 3 GMT, would you mind helping me? Thanks in advance. And yes that really reminded me of Jillyjo' prose. -- Zero talk 14:15, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Huh? Only 13 minutes elapsed.  -- WV ● ✉ ✓  14:19, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Explain further ? Zero talk  14:22, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm unable to get hold of my computer ATM - supervising younger relative so am using desktop site on mobile. Much easier to do on laptop because my Safari reloads if I have loads of tabs open with diffs to copy and paste. Thanks for your understanding. Zero talk  14:24, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Right - someone else has offered to take care of that, will get hold of my computer now, apologies about that Zero talk  14:29, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Anything I need to add Oculi and ? Zero talk  15:08, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Is the hypothesis that Maybeparaphrased, Zpeopleheart and Fouette are the same editor (+ Jilllyjo + Word17)? I had a look at contributions earlier and Datguy seemed a different person. But then we have this. Oculi (talk) 15:31, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The admin helping out, Vanjagenije, needs more information. If you could help me out by including anything you can, thanks - much appreciated. Zero <sup style="color:#0000FF;">talk  15:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That might be possible. See my addition to the SPI. Maybeparaphrased and Zpeopleheart are now hounding me. Btw, Zpeopleheart also seems to have a competency problem and I am frankly quite fed up with the disruptive editing. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 19:46, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for your help and for filing the AN/I report, . I have commented there. Zero <sup style="color:#0000FF;">talk  09:24, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Can people keep an eye on this. It is 'changes related' to pages edited by the tagteam, who are no doubt reforming under different names. Eg user:‎Anthropocene2015 has edited more than one just today. Oculi (talk) 11:01, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This might be interesting about Anthropocene2015. Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Category:Top of the Pops people has been nominated for discussion
Category:Top of the Pops people, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. anemone projectors  22:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Please check this discussion. Thank you. DePiep (talk) 12:22, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Marta Cunningham (disambiguation) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Marta Cunningham (disambiguation) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Marta Cunningham (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Bearcat (talk) 16:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

linked your edit at ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Just pinging you because I mentioned your name wrt User:PadmanabaReddiar. I took him to ANI rather then AIV since CIR and tendentious SPA doesn't really fit AIV. Meters (talk) 07:15, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Good stuff - appears resolved. I fully support the block. Editors should have to pass some sort of competency threshold before being allowed to create categories. Oculi (talk) 13:43, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Survey Invite
I'm working on a study of political motivations and how they affect editing. I'd like to ask you to take a survey. The survey should take 5 minutes. Your survey responses will be kept private. Our project is documented at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_%2B_Politics.

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I am asking you to participate in this study because you are a frequent editor of pages on Wikipedia that are of political interest. We would like to learn about your experiences in dealing with editors of different political orientations.

Sincere thanks for your help! Porteclefs (talk) 19:47, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Splitting out musical groups by number cats
I have nominated several specific categories today and yesterday (see Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 4 for example) which you may wish to comment on, based on the previous discussion. Mangoe (talk) 14:58, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Punjabi Rajputs
I notice you are changing cats after commenting at the Cfd. Please revisit that to see my response before making further changes. User:Sitush/Common might be worth a read also. - Sitush (talk) 14:17, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Moving Arthropods by year of description
Please stop moving "Arthropods by year of description" categories to "Protostomes ..." until it has been established that there is a consensus for this. Did you mean to move them to "Animals ..."?

If we are going to sort out these categories, let's do it properly. See e.g. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Category%3ASpiders+described+in&title=Special:Search&go=Go these]. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Arthropods by year of description were deleted/upmerged by cfd (nominated by me) in 2014, and so these are all out-of-process recreations. I merely upmerged the arthropods to their immediate parent, which was in some cases animals and in others 'Protostomes' (which have not as yet been brought to cfd as far as I know). Oculi (talk) 15:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Sure, but the creation of the "Protostomes" categories is as dubious as the re-creation of the "Arthropods" ones. The whole subject of how to categorize by year of description needs a thorough discussion and then sorting out. "Animals" is long established and clearly has a consensus, so I think we should keep to that pending this discussion. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I am certainly not in favour of 'protostomes'. 'Spiders' would probably be fine if fully implemented but these editors dabble here and there and dash on. Oculi (talk) 18:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed they do, and they cause chaos (I'm currently working on flora distribution categories, which used to have structure and a rationale, but which have had effectively random extra levels/categories added). I do a lot of work on spiders, so I'm somewhat sympathetic to separating them out, but there aren't that many spider articles; 'arthropods' seems to me a more sensible first move. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Gymnosperms by country and Category:Angiosperms by country‎ for instance, courtesy of NotWith. Oculi (talk) 21:13, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Among many others this editor has created. I find myself with two conflicting reactions. The first is that categories are not, as far as I can tell, of any great use to most readers, so if it keeps busy editors who might otherwise be messing up content, well, leave them to it. The second is exasperation that the work done on categories by sensible editors is at least partially trashed. The problem for me is that taking these categories to CfD discussions one-by-one would consume too much of my time for too little return. Is there any easy way forward? Peter coxhead (talk) 23:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Ukrainian medical doctors
Renaming of Category:Ukrainian medical doctors to Category:Ukrainian physicians Moved to full discussion Hugo999 (talk) 00:47, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Master of the art
I forget whether you have ever disclosed your nationality on wiki, but this was a masterclass in the English art of devastating understatement.

Sir Humphrey himself could not have done better. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:50, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems to be lost on the recipient. Oculi (talk) 13:06, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sadly, no surprise there. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:15, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

"Arthropods described in" categories
Hi, if you really want to sort out these categories – in which you have my full support – there are apparently 30 according to this search, randomly distributed over years, as is usual with the creating editor. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:52, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * So you would support the upmerging of all "Arthropods described in" and "Protostomes described in" back up to "Animals described in"? I could make that proposal. Oculi (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * My view, as expressed at Wikipedia talk:Animals, is that such categories should only be created
 * for taxonomic groups where there is a reasonably active Wikiproject that will maintain them
 * as a more-or-less complete set, not just for a few random years or decades.
 * Protostomes and deuterostomes categories should definitely be upmerged. There is a WP:WikiProject Arthropods, although not very active until a recent burst of discussion at its talk page, but what clearly doesn't exist is an even remotely complete set of year categories. So although I think there could be a case for categorizing arthropods by year of description, unless and until someone is going to create the set properly, I favour upmerging. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:15, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Insults
If you carry on making personal insults I will be making a formal complaint. Rathfelder (talk) 22:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Category:Norman religious buildings has been nominated for discussion
Category:Norman religious buildings, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Unusual categories


Hello Oculi. While tracking down an issue, I came across your 2017 post to DexDor about a new editor re-creating some deleted categories originally created by NotWith. Do you recall who the new editor was that you were thinking of at that time? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was Caftaric. See eg this cat, created by Caftaric. Caftaric is now blocked, as a sock of someone, but NotWith was never blocked. Oculi (talk) 10:09, 26 June 2018 (UTC)


 * almost all the categories created by Caftaric and/or NotWith are without consensus and should be removed (deleted, upmerged, etc.). Peter coxhead (talk) 17:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. Stubborn editing of categories is a bit harder to check than stubborn reverting of articles The definition of correct (or even, the definition of reverting) is more elusive. EdJohnston (talk) 17:30, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I concur with all the views above. I think that the creation of categories should be forbidden without some evidence of competence. As things stand NotWithII could spend an hour or so creating maybe 600 new categories, messing up perhaps 100 category trees, and it will take months at cfd to undo a small fraction of these. I am pleased to see that NotWith has now been blocked. Oculi (talk) 10:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've listed all the categories edited by Caftaric at User:Oculi/caft. Related changes then shows other editors editing the same pages: eg this. Nothing to see so far. Oculi (talk) 12:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks, that list is very useful. What's annoying is that many of these categories are sensible and have consensus, e.g. the "Animals described in YEAR" ones, but mixed in are categories that are not sensible and for which there is no consensus, such as Category:Cribellate orb weaver spiders of Europe. If Caftaric had been willing to engage in sensible discussion, they could have been an asset. Sigh... Peter coxhead (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I will change it to a list of categories created by all the above. (I don't think Couiros22 is any of the others, as C22 is garrulous and the others are anything but. C22 may well be a sock of someone else.) The "Animals described in YEAR" tree was doubtless created by someone sensible. Oculi (talk) 08:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've changed it to category creations. I've missed out Nono inadvertently. One can see that the category creations of C22 seem to be inspired by those of NotWith. Perhaps 'disciple of' rather than 'sock of'. Oculi (talk) 15:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Bivalves and humans is getting quite enterprising. Oculi (talk) 17:30, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

More generally, all the "Eukaryotes described in" category tree needs to be got rid of. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:37, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I might address that next. Oculi (talk) 14:11, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Now at cfd. Oculi (talk) 18:46, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

on Imaginary unit
It is without any doubt that that -1 is a negative integer, but it is also without any doubt that the function, with the name square-root and defined for non-negative integers only, dramatically differs from the relation between complex numbers that bears the same name and is not even a function. The categorization you help to uphold is strongly misleading and a categorical fallacy. FYI. Purgy (talk) 18:23, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This has become moot as the category has been deleted. Oculi (talk) 22:44, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Bypassing CFD?
Hi Oculi

I was surprised to see this move of Category:Amateur sports organisations to Category:Amateur sports organizations, and the article moved by cat-a-lot. And more categories done the same way.

You know that these moves are controversial, because there have been opposes to your nominations at WP:CFD and WP:CFDS. So why are you apparently doing an end-run around the consensus-forming processes? -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 21:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The consensus for a long time has been Option 1 of the ones you listed in the 'piecemeal' cfd. I have no reason to think this consensus has changed. This would imply that the 'z' in should be followed down to a local level, eg continent or country. Eg Category:Gaelic games organisations looks local, but most 'XXX organizations' are global. (There have been no opposes as yet at cfd or cfds to any of my global noms.) I shall now concentrate on getting a full cfd of all the 'z's that should be 's's (placating some and enraging others) and leave the misplaced 's's for now. Some of the 'opposes' at cfd have been bizarre, or perhaps bisarre. Oculi (talk) 22:56, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oculi, I am v surprised to see an experienced editor doing this.
 * You know well that there have been several objections in principle, and that when that happens the solution is to centralise discussion per WP:MULTI, RFC is the best venue for that. Continuing to create further CFD nominations simply replicates the same discussion at multiple venues, wasting everyone's time and energy.
 * I will draft an RFC later today. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 14:56, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Category:Fraternities and Category:Fraternities and Sororities
Category:Fraternities and Sororities refers to the Greek Letter Organizational College system in the United States, which is one type of the organization described in the more general Category:Fraternities. I'm happy to take this to Third opinion or WP:CFD, I'm simply not going to keep Reverting.Naraht (talk) 14:24, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * is at cfd (hence my interest), although category inclusion is not a matter for cfd. I take your point that Fraternities and Sororities in this case is a title and has a specific meaning distinct from the usual phrase 'fraternities and sororities' but non-US editors such as me will not appreciate this subtlety. I would assume that Category:Fraternities and Sororities is the same as Category:Fraternities and sororities (indeed I see that someone has just redirected the former to the latter). I would suggest Category:Fraternities and Sororities (USA) for the former. Oculi (talk) 15:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In some ways I like your suggestion, but USA won't really work as a dab term, Note one of the subcats is a by country. Probably 90%+ of the groups in the category or subcategory are found/headquartered in the USA, but no more than 85% are USA only. For example those entirely in the Philippines, a few that are Canada only and one that is in Canada and France and the main African American Greek Letter Organizations which have grad chapters in places like the US Military bases in South Korea (all of which are Greek Letter Organizations or come from that tradition) as well as Studentenverbindung in Germany and similar situations. For the *most* part, Collegiate would be a better dab term, but I personally know of several Greek Letter based organizations which restrict to only those already in the industry. You may want to post at WT:FRAT, which would be the right Wikipedia. Just curious, what country are you from? (I'm about 10 miles north of Washington DC, USA)Naraht (talk) 16:48, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Comments like this are not productive
I understand I didn't follow procedures here [] but understand that sometimes the procedures aren't clear to those of us who haven't been through the process before. Also deletion review doesn't seem an obvious place for a move challenge. That said, had it gone there would the discussion period have been reopened? It needs to be remembered that the complaint was that concerned editors weren't notified and that if they were we likely would have had a no consensus result. Anyway, I would ask that you removed the last comment as it is a borderline personality attack and isn't true. I would be interested in input as to how this should have been handled. Thanks Springee (talk) 01:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

I support your I plan.
Oculi why haven't you renamed Category:Seventh-day Adventist clergy to Category:Seventh-day Adventist ministers? And why haven't you renamed Category:American Seventh-day Adventist clergy to Category:American Seventh-day Adventist ministers? And you have my permission to populate Category:American Seventh-day Adventist ministers with the american ministers. User:Pastorwayne by creating these sockpuppet categories certainly made me annoyed no one should allowed to get away with so many sockpuppet names that is crazy, I can't believe that he has created so many other illegal names to cause so much on Wikipedia.Catfurball (talk) 18:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Will do, but one question.
I'll repopulate Category:American Seventh-day Adventist ministers, with the american ministers. But will Category:Seventh-day Adventist clergy by nationality be deleted or renamed as well?Catfurball (talk) 19:10, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I've got a job for you.
Can you rename the Category:Adventist schools in Australia to Category:Adventist secondary schools in Australia for me all the schools in this category are secondary schools, except for one that I took out.Catfurball (talk) 19:38, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for renaming that category for me, it should have been named that to begin with.

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I have a problem for you to fix.
Go to Category:Hospitals affiliated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Adventist Health System and Kettering Health Network got listed with the hospitals, when instead they should be listed above the letter a like the other networks.Catfurball (talk) 20:09, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Oculi (talk) 22:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Organi[z|s]ation
It's unfortunate that the RfC on that wasn't quite constructed in a way that would allow it to move forward. I was on wikibreak during that or would have chimed in. If you re-approach it, I would urge you to lead with clearer language about what would and would not be renamed, and with the fact that -ize is not an Americanism but also favored by Oxford dictionaries and preferred in Canada, and whatever else you can dig up. The -ise spelling is primarily a British/Commonwealth usage, and Wikipedia is not written in news style as a matter of policy. We may this spelling, per MOS:ENGVAR, in articles written in British English, but it certainly is not  in them, and it has no implications for category naming. Even if we have a tacit consensus for now to retain it for Commonwealth English-speaking countries' categories, it's just irrelevant for the purposes of other categories, especially those pertaining to non-anglophone countries. If people want to cite MoS, the pertinent part is MOS:COMMONALITY: -ize is a globally accepted spelling, even in British English, so there is no reason not to use it. That said, aside from piecemeal moving, I'm not sure it's advisable to re-approach this for 6–12 months. Rapidly re-RfCing things tends to generate a lot of heat and no light. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I did launch a couple of cfds (3, 5 Nov), which ran into unexpected storms, but not an RFC. I agree entirely with your remarks re 'z', as I am old enough to know that they are true. There are more recent narrower less contentious (so far) cfds. Oculi (talk) 15:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Job Help!
There are two logos in Category:Adventist Health that need to be moved. The logo KHNetwork.jpg should be moved to Category:Kettering Health Network. And the logo Hong Kong Adventist should be moved to Category:Hospitals affiliated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church. When you are done just let me now.Catfurball (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Oculi (talk) 22:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I've got a new job for you.
Can you nominate the article Hanford Community Medical Center for deletion for me it's 100% the same as the article Adventist Health Hanford.Catfurball (talk) 18:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have redirected the first to the second. If anyone complains I will refer them to you. Oculi (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

usage of the template of ...
for cat main when cat more is not currently a visual mess due to the impasse? - that was the original question, but then there seems to be unwritten weirdness about the whole cat main saga, so this is a self negating comment - please ignore... JarrahTree 01:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

American Superheroes/Superheroes
Hi, I did not know there was a category just called Category:Superheroes, so now that I have seen that there is I have withdrawn my template about wanting to rename American superheroes. Davidgoodheart (talk) 00:56, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

List of bell ringing organisations
Please note for the future that AmEng does not equal "globally accepted". The list of organisations are overwhelmingly English, and as such BrEng should be used (see WP:ENGVAR). In future you need to propose such changes on the talk page and seek consensus. FYI, if you were unwilling to seek consensus the correct procedure would have been to make a link from the AmEng term to the original. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:44, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You are mistaken: 'ize' is the English of Shakespeare, Samuel Johnson and the King James Bible, sadly abandoned in the UK in the illiterate 90s. See MOS:IZE. Oculi (talk) 22:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * indicates that the "s" form was in use from the 17th century and cites amongst others Dickens. As MOS:IZE states: "the alternative spelling ise (reflecting a French influence) is in common use, especially in British English".  Exactly this kind of discussion should have been held prior to the move as a basic courtesy to other editors.  I'm not about to start an edit war, so please just accept this as a plea for a bit more caution before making changes to basically British articles in future.  Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:12, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sheffielders are always very reasonable; I lived on Ringinglow Rd for 20 years. I was certainly taught long ago that 'ize' was greatly preferable, showing one's familiarity with its Greek origins. There is Oxford spelling and also Use British English Oxford spelling. Oculi (talk) 00:45, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Compliments :) My first four years of schooling were in the Black Country before we moved back to Sheffield.  My second year junior was there, then I went away to boarding school at age 10.  The first three years were at a preparatory school in Berkshire, then on to the main school in Bath until 18.  We were taught to use the "s" form (which reflects the proximate derivation) and knew that the American version was to "z".  I suspect the difference remains due, in part, to pronunciation.  RP uses a softer "or-gan-eye-say-shone" unlike the more typical (to my ears) North American "orgun-eye-zay-shun".  In context, I was born in the 1950s, so this reflects education in the 1960s and earlier 1970s.  As a purely non-scientific and non-citable test I asked a 1960s child, brought up in London, to spell it, and she came back immediately with the "s" form.  She is a secondary school teacher of history with English as her "second-string".  The fact that there is a distinct "Oxford" spelling and associated template does indicate that in this, at least, Oxford academe is at variance with common British usage.  Kind regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 07:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I was born in 47. I left the UK in 76, when I would use 'ize'. I agree that since the 90s in the UK 'ize' has been thought to be a 'nasty Americanism' but I suspect that in this particular case the Americans have remained true to 1600s English, whereas UK English seems to have adopted the French 'ise'. I went to KES where maybe half the masters had Oxford degrees, including Clapton, the Head. (Cambridge also used 'ize' in the 60s.) Oculi (talk) 13:09, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I would totally agree with your analysis of American English often staying closer to an earlier form, the proximity of France to the UK has a lot to answer for! We'll have to disagree about when the ize -> ise change occurred, I would still say no later than the 1970s purely based on personal experience from teachers and parents.  Anyhow, we seem to be straying from bell ringing somewhat, so I'll wish you all the best and let matters lie.  Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

CfD
I noticed your comment on Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 22. May I ask you how you are thinking about that, separate from the individual nomination? PPEMES (talk) 03:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I need your help
Can you find information as to what ever happened to the building of the former Benghazi Adventist Hospital. Was it torn down or has some other business taken over the building. I can't seem to find this information if it even exists.Catfurball (talk) 20:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I've no idea how one would go about that. Sorry. Oculi (talk) 23:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Category:Organizations based in Nigeria has been nominated for discussion
Category:Organizations based in Nigeria together with the subcats using 'organis/zations' have been nominated for possible renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. As you created at least one of the categories concerned, you are most welcome to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 19:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Orphan categories
I think you are wrong to say topic categories are not subcats of set categories. Most company categories have a wide variety of articles in them - about people, products, law suits, controversies, and almost all topic categories lead to subcategories of people and organisations. Categorisation is messy. Rathfelder (talk) 09:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Exactly so. Topic categories such as will generally contain set subcategories, but not vice versa. Eg  should only contain articles about companies and not contain any people or other non-companies. (Clearly various editors have added eponymous categories in error but there is no need to compound the error.) Oculi (talk) 09:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well we cant leave Category:BuzzFeed as an orphan, so how shall we categorise it?  I dont see that eponymous categories need special treatment.  Many, maybe most, categories have an eponymous article. Why should this be treated differently from, for example, Category:Marvel Comics? Rathfelder (talk) 10:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That's why we had as a parent (which was not originally a maintenance category). I can't think of any correct parent for Category:BuzzFeed. Eponymous categories should not be listed as 'uncategorised'.  Oculi (talk) 10:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Category:Konkani-language poets has been nominated for discussion
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Friendly trouting
The reverts on United States Equestrian Federation by the IP were clearly WP:3RRNO and the named account should have been reported to WP:AIV.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 20:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Tau Alpha
Sorry for having to revert your work, just trying to revert to a version that didn't include significant COI.Naraht (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. I can see your difficulty. Oculi (talk) 11:36, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm an active member of WP:FRAT and my US fraternity is one of the few to have a Philippine affiliated group, so I keep pretty much *everything* Fraternity and Sorority oriented from the Philippines on my watchlist.Naraht (talk) 11:39, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have various categories and related changes on my watchlist and that flagged up Tau Alpha going into and out of Category:Fraternities and sororities. Oculi (talk) 11:49, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * One of his earliest changes was to add UP Los Baños to where the fraternity was, still haven't seen any sign of that, I'll probably have to trim down the article again when I get a chance. Note, the fact that the article explains the fact that Tau Alpha as a name comes from the "The Argonauts" is actually pretty standard. Probably 2/3 of the Greek Letter Orgs in the Philippines either publicize the english phrase that their letters were derived from or make it obvious and don't care if people assume it, for example, Tau Mu Sigma Phi, the Thomasian Medical Students' Fraternity.Naraht (talk) 11:58, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Mohomed Dilshad
Hi. This edit was incorrect, as the subject is not from Panadura. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:41, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Two requests
Can you rename Category:User templates dlp to Category:User templates dlph, I made a mistake when creating this category please. And request two can you rename Category:Association Football user templates to Category:Association football user templates, I wasn't thinking when I created this category please. Catfurball (talk) 17:18, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Oculi (talk) 18:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Kweku Anno for deletion
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thanks
Thanks for all things Hmains (talk) 16:43, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Non-free content use
Hi Oculi. You appear to be doing something related to non-free album cover at User:Oculi/monk. Non-free content, however, cannot be displayed on user pages per WP:NFCC and WP:UP; it's only to add links to file pages, but you cannot display the files themselves. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:36, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Pudsey
"Pudsey is a market town in West Yorkshire, England. Once independent, it was incorporated into the City of Leeds metropolitan borough in 1974" Rathfelder (talk) 19:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC) "Attempts to define the exact geographic meaning of Leeds lead to a variety of concepts of its extent, varying by context include the area of the city centre, the urban sprawl, the administrative boundaries, and the functional region.[59]
 * The City of Leeds is bigger than Leeds. See ; subcat . Oculi (talk) 20:29, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * But, certainly as far as biographies go, I dont see that you can say that Pudsey is not in Leeds. We have similar issues with most big cities.  There is no consistency between editors when they say someone comes from Leeds or Manchester - not only what "from" means, but also what they mean by Leeds or Manchester.  I've had to move quite a few articles from Sheffield to Doncaster, or from Leeds to Bradford, because the writer clearly thought Doncaster was in Sheffield, which of course in cultural terms it is.  I think the only viable strategy is to use the present municipal boundaries.  Rathfelder (talk) 21:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Another viable strategy would be to do something less controversial. Oculi (talk) 23:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * What?

Leeds is much more a generalised concept place name in inverted commas, it is the city, but it is also the commuter villages and the region as well.

— Brian Thompson, A History of Modern Leeds[59]"

I think we need to put the relevant subcategories in "Rathfelder (talk) 07:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Rename request
Can you rename Category:Television talk shows user templates to Category:Television talk show fan user templates. That is the name I should used to begin with, please. Catfurball (talk) 20:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Have done so. Oculi (talk) 06:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Priory Grammar School
Hello, thank you for your support for my proposal to divide the category "People educated at the Priory School, Shrewsbury". I'm a bit confused (I'm on new ground here) - there is the current Priory School, Shrewsbury and then there are the two former grammar schools, the Priory Grammar School for Boys, Shrewsbury and the Priory Grammar School for Girls, Shrewsbury. Does your proposal work for alumni of all three schools? Thanks,  RoachPeter (talk) 12:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * See for example Category:People educated at High Storrs School. Oculi (talk) 13:19, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Wink Bowman
I removed your addition of People from Remington Indiana category because it is not consensus to categorize by place of death unless it is known the person is from that place. The Bowman article has a bigger issue- 1 The name and its info box. Both are based on a blogspot blog. Blogspot blogs fail as a reliable source because they are self published. If you check out the blogspot blog it says its source is....get this.... Find a Grave fails as a reliable source. Where is the find a grave info originally from? A paid obituary.

The info box where the birthday and place and death and everything are based on the blogspot-FAG link-paid obituary. So is the name Wink Bowman! Basketballreference, which is a rs, has the name for the basketball player as Al Bowman. Other than his one year stat line of pro basketball, there is no other info on this person from basketball reference.

Could Wink Bowman be Al Bowman? There is no proof for it. May I point out the Bill Henry story where someone claimed to be him. The creator of the Bowman article is retired. Any thoughts? I'm inclined at the moment to rename the article AL Bowman and rip out the Wink stuff because it isn't reliably sourced....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Also point out that FAG just says 'While waiting to be called, he played professional basketball.' Not that he played for Hammond Ciesar All-Americans as basketball reference says....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 02:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It's Art, not Al: https://www.basketball-reference.com/nbl/teams/HCA/1941.html Ciesar seems to be correct. I would agree that some mystery surrounds this person. Oculi (talk) 12:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops, You're right its Art. I'm going to radically change the article and rename it Art Bowman sometime in the next day or two....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Revert category renaming
Hi, I'd like to request you revert the change of Category:Sami newspapers to Category:Sami-language newspapers. The papers in the category are Sámi in terms of the ethnic group they target/serve, not necessarily in terms of what language they are published in. Ságat and Waren Sardne, for example, publish primarily in Norwegian and Swedish respectively. Also there are multiple Sámi languages, not one; therefore, Category:Northern Sami-language newspapers is a valid category (and subcategory of Category:Sami newspapers) while Category:Sami-language newspapers is not. Sorry for not seeing the proposed move in time to raise this then. Carter (talk) 14:28, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. You should then take Category:Sami newspapers out of . I also thought it should be Sámi (accented) throughout the whole tree. Oculi (talk) 15:30, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have removed the category from as noted. Good call on the accent :). Carter (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Oculi, I saw this question on CFD Speedy, if I see another request to reverse a speedy change, who should deal with the request? Also should the speedy request and the objection be copied to Category talk:Sami newspapers? TSventon (talk) 19:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I would just treat it as an opposed (belatedly) and withdrawn speedy (if the proposer of the speedy agrees). It's happened a few times - I just agree to revert. (It usually happens because of changes to watchlists when the rename actually occurs.) I don't know about talk page notices; you could ask User:Fayenatic london who closes speedies. Oculi (talk) 20:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oculi, So can any user revert a category move? I see you used Cat-a-lot. should the speedy request and the objection be copied to Category talk:Sami newspapers? TSventon (talk) 20:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I have page-mover rights so I just moved it back, and then used Cat-a-Lot. I see this as a form of 'revert self'. (I was the one who requested the speedy.) Oculi (talk) 20:58, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've archived the latest discussion at the talk page. Feel free to add more info if that seems useful. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Oculi, I suppose probably the requester and/or the processer should be able to resolve similar queries as not all requesters have page-mover rights. Fayenatic, thanks for archiving the discussion, that should be enough to stop the same change being speedied again. TSventon (talk) 05:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you everyone for sorting it out. Carter (talk) 11:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Demographics of Dagestan


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Sort keys
This may already be on your work list for later, but I've just checked the sort keys for magazines categories, e.g. British magazines -> magazines published in the UK now need UK as the sort key. I noticed that the sort key was consistently omitted for the categories by continent, and categories by frequency in US and Australia. These pointers may be helpful if you are going to check other mass media categories e.g. newspapers. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:26, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I did modify AWB to add the country as the sort key together at the same time as tagging, and even to omit a 'the'. (This assumes that the nom will succeed.) However I did at times just use the tag 'change to published in' (there were 'fooish', 'of foo', 'in foo', and the AWB code only found Foo if the page already included 'published in Foo' as a parent category). Newspapers and magazines, defunct and extant, are now all done unless I have missed some. My work list doesn't include any sort keys - I supposed this was part of the closing bot's remit. There are Fooish websites. This said it ought not to be too difficult to do it - US, UK, anything with 'the'. Oculi (talk) 13:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Having looked at your recent contribs, I see what you mean. The code I was using to tag picked up 'Foo' from the existing page text (which had to be in some predictable place). This meant that I had to tag the top level, await the rename, then tag the level beneath it, await its rename, etc, which was going to take forever, so for the last lot I used traditional methods. I didn't think of the continents at any stage; it added '|Foo' after 'by country'. Oculi (talk) 15:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Iron Butterfly video albums


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Images of Crazy Loop


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Category:Tourism by country and city
Hello. Could you please take a look at this? I don't understand it, and I don't understand why it's directly categorized in Category:Categories by country and city when it's also subcatted in Category:Topics by country and city. Thanks. --DB1729 (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what I had in mind. I've removed the mysterious addition. Oculi (talk) 01:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:John Zorn video albums


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Business organisations based in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines


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Category:Organizations based in the French West Indies has been nominated for discussion
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Categories in a redirect
Hi, is this a standard practice to leave the categories as it is while merging/redirecting? Can you point me to the rule or steps. on WP:MERGE it did not say anything about categories. Asking this as I have done a few redirects today, and they will all need a similar treatment. Walrus Ji (talk) 14:05, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There is some dispute about it, but I personally think a 'useful' targeted redirect (which that one is, as it takes you to a few sentences on the topic) should be categorised as if it were an article. SUBTOPICCAT gives more. I would say this was fully accepted 10 years ago but opposition seems to have grown. Oculi (talk) 23:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Please & Please
Could you please not create cookie cutter stubs such as this, I am very sorry if this comes across as rude as I do appreciate your efforts towards article creation but to be honest such articles are very cumbersome to tackle for new page reviewers, we have to add short descriptions, add more sources, (the threshold for biographical articles is set at, at least 3 sources), add categories, and a bunch of other stuff we have to go through. It’s not an easy task, so please if you can, please put in a little bit more effort when creating articles. Thanks for complying, & if I have sounded rude in anyway, please it isn’t my intention. Celestina007 (talk) 00:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Bishops are notable. I can easily add short descriptions and supply 3 or more sources, and indeed address the 'bunch of other stuff' if you could be more specific. It's not particularly easy to create these articles as different sources disagree about who is bishop of where, so one gets side-tracked. (Other editors are trying to delete categories due to an absence of articles.) There's plenty on Erifeta. Oculi (talk) 01:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I never said bishops weren’t notable so I’m not sure why you’d mention that, wasn’t it I who marked the page as reviewed? That was never my argument, my argument is churning out cookie cutter stubs with one/two lines and adding just one reference isn’t the best of ideas. If as you claimed above that the creation of this type of articles are difficult then that’s more reason for you take your time whilst working on them in your draftspace or sandbox as it allows you time to create decent articles. If you can easily add page descriptions, three sources, cats as you stated above with an underlying sarcastic tone, then do just that & stop binge churning cookie cutter under sourced stubs. Celestina007 (talk) 17:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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Category:Anglican bishops by diocese in Tanzania
Hello, Oculi,

Please do not move a category page without recategorizing all of pages that it contains. I don't know whether Category:Anglican bishops by diocese in Tanzania or Category:Anglican bishops in Tanzania by diocese is correct, I just know that I had to change all of the subcategories because of this page move. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * My apologies. This was greatly remiss and thank you for your remedial work. I entrusted the task to Cat-a-Lot and it moved some but not others, for some reason (Cat-a-few). Oculi (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

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Roman Catholic bishops Rathfelder (talk) 19:23, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
The vast majority of Roman Catholic bishops in Europe by diocese are categorised first by country. Why do you think these should be handled differently?

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Bishop categories
Dioceses are not bishops, and should not be included in categories of bishops. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 00:07, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed they are not. This is why they are sorted at the top (as a main article), rather than as a bishop. This is perfectly standard throughout the bishops trees and I am merely following the useful custom. Oculi (talk) 00:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , it is not standard; the consensus is to exclude diocese articles from bishop categories; I have opened a discussion on WT:CATHOLIC. Please cease and desist until consensus is established for this action. Elizium23 (talk) 00:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

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Can you please change the name of Category:World of Warcraft user templates to Category:Warcraft user templates. I created this category and just found out that the franchise name is Warcraft. This category I also have added Warcraft III. Catfurball (talk) 19:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

African bishop categories
Hello, Oculi,

Thank you for helping out with the empty categories involving African bishops. There are more listed at Database reports/Empty categories as I only tagged a few. It's unusual for a group of categories in the same subject to be empty at the same time unless it's the work of a new editor. I was hoping that the category creator, Bashereyre, would know what had happened here but you seem to have sorted things out. Many thanks. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:20, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's user:Rathfelder who is removing 'Diocese of X' (eg diff) from 'Bishops of X', leaving an empty category. But the diocese article usually provides the name of the bishop. (I think these are new dioceses and have only had 1 bishop.) Oculi (talk) 21:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The ones I emptied had no bishops at all, each had just a very bare article about the diocese. There are loads more with just the diocese article and one or two bishops, which I plan to merge in to bigger areas using categories for discussion. Rathfelder (talk) 21:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the article about the diocese named the incumbent bishop who had an article in all but one case. Please don't do any merging: if X is the 'Bishop of XYZ' then 'Bishop of XYZ' is the defining characteristic of the person. Bishops are notable; there will be more as the years pass. Oculi (talk) 21:52, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Oculi. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:27, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The others (in Tanzania) don't have any articles that I can find so I agree with Rathfelder about those. Oculi (talk) 01:33, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your detective work, Oculi. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I think Bishops of Bondo was an accident. Apologies.  I'm trying to organise the African bishop articles into more realistic categories in countries as we do for the rest of the world.  But I think a Bishops of Somewhere category needs some actual articles about bishops, not just one about the diocese.  Rathfelder (talk) 20:35, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that there should be at least 1 bishop, but you could try to find one before emptying (which you did not do for the Nigerian ones, as each diocese article had a blue-linked bishop). Oculi (talk) 20:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I want to populate Category:Anglican bishops in Africa by country. Not listing all the dioceses.  Are you happy with that?  Rathfelder (talk) 20:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No. You can do both. You're dismantling one before demonstrating that you have a better plan (and your usual strategy is to dash off and do something else at great speed). You could have subcatted the Kenyan ones in Category:Anglican bishops by diocese in Africa into the subcat Category:Anglican bishops by diocese in Kenya. Oculi (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There is for instance Category:Roman Catholic bishops by diocese in Europe, and also Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Europe which could (easily) be subcatted into Category:Roman Catholic bishops by country in Europe. What is wrong with that? 'By country' and 'by diocese' are 2 different schemes, compatible with each other. Oculi (talk) 22:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Dioceses are almost always within a country. Rathfelder (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * So what? Oculi (talk) 22:26, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Nigerian bishops
It was really fascinating learning about the geography, history and religions of Nigeria. We have a Nigerian teacher at the school where I work and she was amazed I knew so much about her country! Bashereyre (talk) 19:10, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I worked in Nigeria for 2 years so I have been in some of the places. Ogbomosho, Maiduguri, Zaria, Ibadan, Kano, Kaduna, Offa, Sokoto. I met the chief of Offa, the Olofa of Offa (splendid name). Oculi (talk) 19:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Roman Catholic bishops by country
FYI, Rathfelder has been systematically depopulating all these categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. He seems to consider himself a consensus. (I found St John Pike, who is Irish, English, from Northern Ireland, and Gambian according to the logic of rathfelder, and arguably Senegalese and Cape Verdean. And John Daly (bishop) would be Gambian, Korean, South Korean, Ghanaian, and possibly English.) Oculi (talk) 12:07, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * So, another member for "Irish expatriate protestant bishops" then. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, except according to Rathfelder he wouldn't be an Irish expatriate as he wasn't an expatriate when he was in Ireland. Oculi (talk) 12:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Sortkeys
Why are we setting the sortkey to "A" for "Archdiocese" when the rest of the entries are sorted by name of location? Elizium23 (talk) 00:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So that the Archdiocese appears first rather than alphabetically, being the 'lead' diocese of a province (whatever its name). (The archdiocese was sorted as '| ', if you are referring to Mexico, which is a similar idea.) So that Category:Roman Catholic Ecclesiastical Province of Monterrey looks like Roman Catholic Ecclesiastical Province of Monterrey. It would be easier not to do this and use defaultsort by name, so I could desist. Oculi (talk) 00:56, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I understand the need for a real "lead" article since the example you gave has a redirect in that position. I think at least a hidden comment should be added to explain why we're using "A" instead of a space? Elizium23 (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

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from recent edits -

there seems quite a lot of xxxx in australia, and on the the same page of xxxx in oceania - in the old terrible days of where people took things seriously, that is a combination of child and parent cats - and can (as I prefer, could...) be a marvellous combination that elicits a tremor in the machinery of those who get wound up by subcat policies. I myself am myself more interested to placate the disinterest in project tags on the talk pages, but we all have our problems. cheers JarrahTree 11:03, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I am supposing I have suppressed incipient tremors re Australia/Oceania, pertaining to RC bishops. Oculi (talk) 07:43, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you, indeed, and that is only part of some of the issues that pertain on the lower side... JarrahTree 08:21, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * my my your lack of interest in assessment status of south american bishops leaves a fascinating trail. trust the plague hasnt got to your corner of the planet badly. JarrahTree 06:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

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Can you please move Category:Phantom of the Opera user templates to Category:The Phantom of the Opera user templates. I forgot the word the when I created this new category. Catfurball (talk) 19:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

further
I had hoped for a discussion about whether biography tags might be added, you have chosen not to comment, fair enough, I'll leave it at that in relation to the possibility of a conversation. cheers 09:02, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you
... for giving me something to smile about. I needed that grin moment.

Hope you are keeping well. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 22:32, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Steer clear of Ireland, Australia, Birmingham (the UK one) and portals, and don't argue with BHG would be my advice to most. Operas might be another. Oculi (talk) 23:06, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

September 2021
hello,, i have closed the discussion on Categories for discussion/Speedy about Category:Transport in Faizabad and Category:Buildings and structures in Faizabad. because there was a clear consensus about Category:Transport in Faizabad but for Category:Buildings and structures in Faizabad, i will try it again. A user, have already made a category Category:Transport in Ayodhya as per our talks. i asked this user to make more categories for ayodhya similar to Category:Faizabad but user said he dont have idea about the wikipedia rules, so he asked me to ask you to make these categories, he said that, this is creating confusion i guess, he said- he asked, you can read my conservation with him directly on his talk page if you want. but in nut shell, issue is that, please create more categories similar to that we have in this category Category:Faizabad for ayodhya, i would be very thankful to you Hindu108 (talk) 12:58, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Hindu108 (talk) 05:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you wish to create say Category:Mass media in Ayodhya, go to Category:Mass media in Faizabad, copy the source, open this, paste, change every Faizabad to Ayodhya, save and populate. It's a good idea to make sure there are 4 or 5 pages to put in it first. (There's also a confusion between Faizabad/Ayodhya and Faizabad/Ayodhya District, as editors have been misplacing things in 'Faizabad/Ayodhya' categories which should be in the wider district.) Oculi (talk) 10:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

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Coptic popes
You should inform yourself before writing about topics you obviously know poorly. All Coptic Orthodox popes are the popes of Alexandria; that is why "of Alexandria" appears everywhere. It doesn't take away the fact that they are commonly known as "Coptic Orthodox popes", or even as "Coptic popes". See the recent rename of Coptic Orthodox Church, and probably read the article as well. 92.184.105.237 (talk) 21:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You should read the brief WP:C2D properly. Oculi (talk) 00:27, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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