User talk:Ogg

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Davy Spillane

Hi there. I just wikified your article on Davy Spillane - an article we definitely needed for ages. However, I'm a bit concerned about whether it has been cut and pasted from another site, rather than your own work. Can you confirm that the text does not violate Wikipedia's copyright policy? Graham 01:55, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

To Graham
I don't know how to use the "message" system. My article is obviously based on Davy's own website:

http://www34.brinkster.com/thebadwebsite/frames/daveyspillane.html

Looking back, you are right, I should have made more effort to change the text. I should also have made reference to his recent work with the Afro-Celt Sound System.

Please feel free to amend the article as much as you like. I'm quite robust when it comes to other people changing my text. Go ahead.

Cheers,

Ogg


 * Hi Ogg, there isn't a message system - just add comments to (this) talk page as needed, like any other page. There could be a problem with copying work from Davy Spillane's (and any other) website unless the text there is explicitly licenced under the GFL, which is probably fairly unlikely. Just changing the text a bit to disguise its origins is not really in the spirit of how wikipedia does things. It is OK to draw on this as a source if you were to rewrite it in your own words, and to quote from it if the sources are cited, but not to just cut and paste it wholesale. I'm not really familiar enough with the various copyright issues to advise you here, so what I'll do is go and request a bit of help on the village pump pages. The chances are though that the article will have to be taken down until it's rewritten. I'm sorry if this sounds a bit harsh - it's not that your effort isn't appreciated, but WP has to be very careful not to bring itself into disrepute by violating copyrights. Graham 22:13, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I've just compared the two texts - obviously you have changed it quite a bit from the original, but the overall structure can be seen to be very much the same. I just don't know if this is OK or not - I hope you won't mind me asking around for advice on this. I assume it's much the same story with your bios for a number of other people? (Cathy-Ann McPhee, Gus Dudgeon, Sean Ó Riada, Matthew Bourne, etc)Graham 22:21, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Copy vio
I must come clean here, there is almost no originality in the Matthew Bourne piece, which comes from here:

http://www.willkemp.org/matthewbourne_bio

However, in the case of Sean O'Riada, I think I have contibuted a lot that is not obvious from the web. The others are in between the two extremes. I never write anything unless there is at least something new from me. I am content to have them removed till they pass the originality tests.


 * I applaud your honesty. Look, I'm not a policeman for wikipedia, and to be honest I'm glad someone is adding bios of some of the more obscure and interesting characters in Irish music. I've asked for assistance on the village pump on this, after 24 hours no-one has responded. I guess that's an indication that nobody cares much. For now I'm inclined to just leave it alone - if in the meantime you find time to wikify and change/expand the texts a bit I suspect that nothing more will come of it. Graham 22:25, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Discography guy
Thanks. My guess is that any of these obscure artists are glad of the publicity. I'm basicly a discogrpahy-obsessive, and I only write the biographies as a way of getting the album titles listed.

Not a copy vio
Hi Ogg, you suggested the Fairport article might violate someone's copyright. It doesn't. Even if it did, both pieces are largely based on my copyleft work, so (as I note on the article's talk page) I've given myself permission to publish my own work on Wikipedia on the understanding it will be treated as and open source. "All rights reversed" as they say ;). Anyway, it appeared on Wiki before Fairport Convention's website went 'live' a week ago.

Personally, I think the article's provenance less important than whether or not it's informative, encyclopedic and NPOV. Andy F 02:15, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A Good idea
OK I grant you have every right to the text. However, is it a good idea to offer it as a featured article when most of the information is already out there in a similar format on another website?


 * Don't see why not. But I'm happy to be guided by others' views (I'm assuming the paragraph above refers to my note on Fairport). Andy F 18:40, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Re Woodworm Records. Couple of points: it was Dave and Christine Pegg's label, not Simon Nicol's; and the new label is Matty Grooves, a pun on Groves. Have a good Christmas, Ogg. Andy F 19:53, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Edward II (band)
Hi there. I see you write about folky stuff. I just came across a poor little stub languishing at Edward II (band). I added details from my memory and a quick google, but I wonder if you're able to fill it out at all, or know who might be able to? --Telsa 14:12, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm uncomfortable about writing about a band that I haven't actually heard. One day I might give it a stab. Ogg 17:41, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, if you haven't come across them, no need. I was just hoping you might have, since I kept finding your name in articles about bands in similar genres. --Telsa 18:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

The Boys of the Lough
Hi Ogg, I was impressed by this entry. I have left a note in the discussion about Dave Richardson and his bother Tich (Titch?) I need to get some old LPs out to check. Also I updated the last reference to Ali Bain. Are you likely to update the last decade almost? I hope so. I have lost touch almost since Ali Bain left.

I have added a WP entry on Ossian the Scottish group which you might be able to add to. Your knowledge seems to be very encylopaedic.

--Paw42 17:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouragement
Thanks for your kind words about my edits. By a strange coincidence, I received you message just as I was having a look at the discography section that you've added to John Renbourn! I think we have some overlapping areas of interest in a combination folk/early music and history. Bluewave 18:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Juan Martín
Hi Ogg, I was looking at your original entry for this article from 24 Nov 2005, in particular:

"Juan Martin was born in Andalucia and started learning the guitar at the age of six. He played in clubs in Malaga, Seville and Granada. In his early twenties he moved to Madrid to study under Nino Ricardo and Paco de Lucía."

and I was wondering what led you to believe Juan was born in 1954? In his early twenties Ricardo (d. 1972) would have been dead at least two years.

Just curious.

Paul Magnussen 17:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I fell into the usual trap - you find a web that says he was "aged 40" (or whatever), and you assume that the article was written in the current year, so you subtract the number ... and reach the wrong value. I realised at the time that it was a a guess.

Malicorne
Hello Ogg! I saw that you worked on the Malicorne article, so I was wondering if you would know what was their record label. Thanks! loulou 21:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Yes, but I don't have any information to hand right now. Have patience.

OK done it. Look at the comments next to Malicorne, to see all the labels their albums were issued on. Ogg 09:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! loulou 15:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, not too horrible I hope? Martin Evans 21:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

You're OK, it was my fault originally. We are only now catching up with my old mistake. Ogg 14:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Wizz Jones
Good to see that you've started an article on Wizz. Very underrated guitarist. I saw him in about 1973 and felt like giving up ever trying to play guitar! Bluewave 15:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Jerry Boys
This was a non-notable biography as per the criteria set out in WP:BIO. (aeropagitica) 22:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Your re-wite on Ballet music
I was rather suprised at your re-write on ballet music. I am curious to know what your source was, as you left out nearly a century of history pertaining to ballet music in the 19th century, and its devlopment. You didnt even mention the composer Pugni, who wrote more ballet music that any composer in history.

Regarding your question about the composer Baron Boris Fitinhof-Schel, he was the first so-called "symphonic" composer to ever score music for the ballet, and thus paved the way, quite literally, for Tchaikovsky, etc.

A vast, vast amount is missing from my re-write. By the same token, a vast amount was missing from the version that I deleted. I did not have "a source", I had many sources. It is not a copyvio. You are more than welcome to add in stuff, but please don't remove Lully, who was missing from the original article. It will take a lot more to convince me that (a) Baron Boris Fitinhof-Schel EVER existed, and (b) that his ballet is earlier than Tchaikovsky's earliest ballet. Serious documentary evidence is needed. I work at the Royal Academy of Dance, and nobody there has heard of him. The library there on the subject of ballet is one of the largest in the world. You have your work cut out for you if you want to champion him. Ogg 19:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Years 1960 - 1969 in Scottish music
Hi Ogg, good to see you're still an active Wikipedia editor. You created the page Years 1960 - 1969 in Scottish music some time ago, and it is currently one of the Oldest pages in Wikipedia, not touched for more than 20 months. Along with the (main?) page Timeline of trends in music from the United Kingdom, this nook/cranny of Wikipedia is in need of updating. I suggest renaming some of the pages, maybe even redirecting/deleting them if necessary. As you are the pages' creator, can I ask you if these pages still have their place in Wikipedia? Regards, --Montchav 18:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I have to admit I immediately lost interest in the "modern" pages in Scottish music, on the day people started adding rock and rock albums to them. As far as I am concerned rock and roll (and indeed most jazz and classical music) is "international" and not "Scottish" or "English" or any other nation. Please feel free to rename these pages in any way you want, as I only ever look at the ones from before 1900 nowadays. Are you asking me to add new stuff to the page "1960 - 1969 in Scottish music"? I could do this, but if it's going to be renamed or chopped up, I would rather wait until after the changes are complete, and then add in new stuff. Ogg 13:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

No reply, so I have added more stuff into the Scottish 1960 - 1969 bit. I am still not sure what people are thinking of doing with these pages. There is even a suggestion that someone wants to delete them. Ogg 12:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry I didn't reply for ages, I forgot about this page. I'm AFDing all of these pages you must have spent a while making. They just look really out of place on this website. More discussion can be found at Articles for deletion/Timeline of trends in music from the United Kingdom. --Montchav 14:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Judging by this article -> List of musical events, nothing happened in British music before 1989. Nobody seems to consider that article out of place, and nobody seems bothered that it doesn't consist of sentences. I notice that this article -> List of jazz albums is very thin, yet nobody proposes to delete it. Someone seems to object to the fact that "Years in Scottish music .." is mostly folk music. All music before 1900 was folk music, or Classical music, so unless you have a very blinkered view of history, there is no avoiding it. But if it must go, I bow to the majority. Would anyone object if I created "List of folk music albums", roughly along the lines of the existing article List of ballroom and social dance albums? Ogg 19:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The Magic of Morris
I have added a "" template to the article The Magic of Morris, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria.

I don't believe in fighting quixotic battles. Either I have allies, or I don't fight. Please remove it, though I would be interested to know which album of morris dances you consider to be the best ever recorded. Ogg 08:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Giles Farnaby
In case you don't have it on your watchlist, I have replied at length to your pertinent comments on Giles Farnaby. Many thanks for pointing this out! Nick Michael 22:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Colin Harper
Well done! Definitely worth an article! Bluewave 20:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Ogg 08:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Pub Session
Hi Ogg. I should have contacted you a few days ago. I put a comment on the Pub Session talk page that the statement "The chairman was Feargal Sharkey, " doesn't make a lot of sense now that you have removed the reference to "task force".

P.S. I've done a bit of updating to the article on Shirley Collins. Perhaps you'd like to check it. --QuestingVole 17:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I have done a little bit of updating on both articles. Thanks for your interest - I only return to old articles about once a year. Ogg 18:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ogg. I'm not sure where I got 2003 from because I had terrible trouble finding references even though I knew it to be true. You beat me to it on the OU degree.  --QuestingVole 23:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Electric folk invitation
Thanks for you additions to Take This Hammer. It is pary of my personal project to be sure that notable folk songs are in the Wikipedia song project. Pustelnik (talk) 14:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Specifically, you're invited to participate in WikiProject Roots music/Anglo-Celtic electric folk task force, which is basically a task force covering groups like Steeleye Span, Fairport Convention, Pentangle (band), and that sort of thing.

-- TimNelson 07:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I do this sort of thing in any case, but I fear I am too haphazard to submit to the discipline of a task force. I'll check out the page now and again. Ogg 20:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It does sound rather organised, doesn't it :). I'd prefer to use the term "Special interest group" myself, but that's not what seems to be done on Wikipedia.  If you start joining task forces/wikiprojects, you'll find that quite a number of the members just join, and then never appear to do anything.  I've seen you do more than many people I've seen who are members of projects.  The way I see it, the task force is basically the following things:
 * A central co-ordinating spot for people interested in electric folk; if you comment on the talk page of that article, then I (and hopefully others someday) am/are more likely to see it. It also means that we only need one page on our watchlists to keep in contact.
 * A central place to keep our todo list. If you see something that needs doing, but don't have time, it can be added to the todo list.  Likewise, if you're looking for something to do, the todo list will provide :).
 * So, I guess what I'm saying is, if you join, the only thing I'd expect you to do differently from what you do now is to add that page to your watchlist (although you could also feel free to add the userbox to your page).
 * -- TimNelson 10:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Richard Trevithick
re site of his railway circle event: I added a comment on 19 June 2007 underneath your comment of 27 February 2007.

Birthplace, Citizenship or Residence
I just saw your comments on the discussion page for Percy Erskine Nobbs. That is an odd problem, and, as you noted, it has been resolved consistently (well, in the examples you gave, at any rate, and I am not suggesting that I know of other, different resolutions) to define the person's national category by the place s/he was born, regardless of how young s/he was upon emmigrating or where s/he did his/her best or most professional work. Sometimes that makes perfect sense, especially if s/he defined him/herself that way. (That s/he stuff is getting tedious. I am returning to the grammatical, universal "he", and hoping the reader will make the adjustments, where necessary.) Is there a place for dual citizenship, as it were? Could not Percy Nobbs, for example, be a Scottish, English and Canadian architect, as well as a Scottish and Canadian painter? I would see no conflict in Alfred Hitchcock being both an American and an English director, though I doubt there would be many people looking for him in the latter category. Is this another possible solution? Bielle 04:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I have created several articles in which I used the phrase "Irish-American" or "American English". This means "born in the first place, and spent many years (or currently residing) in the second place". Each time I have been over-ruled. I am happy to accept "UK-Canadian" for Percy Erskine Nobbs, but there has to be a certain critical mass for these things. There are plenty of notable Irish-Americans, and hardly any notable UK-Canadians. I created the Peggy Seeger article, so I would definitely expect "English" or "UK" in her nationality. She held a UK passport for over 20 years. She is currently classed as American. Ogg 10:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Image fair use rationale
Do you know how we deal with things like the note on Talk:They Called Her Babylon?

-- TimNelson 10:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear, I know next to nothing about pirating images for album sleeves. My understanding is that you can take your own photographs and use them. You can steal a jpg of an album sleeve from another website, and then reduce the definition with an image editor, and so qualify for "Fair Use". If I had the responsibility, I would point out that the image needs to have a lower resolution. If you are referring to his habit of blanking Steeleye album articles I would be prepared to join in a "pester campaign" to urge him to stop it. Ogg 10:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Many fair use issues relate to permission or compelling reasons for a use. Reducing the resolution, by converting a GIF to a typical JPG at the same number of pixels, for example, has _about_ nothing to do with it (it can relate to availability of permission). Photos require permission from the people depicted, unless they're committing crimes. Other reasons seem to exist for politicians. I occassionally consider someone who calls herself User:Trish86. She gave a lot of permission for the use of an image that she took of herself. Someone told her not to in an emphatic, but erroneous way. The quality of the shot was so low and the context of it was so obvious that I don't see how any harm could come of it.

Fair use seems to depend on the medium, too. On USENET, I've been chastized (more than once) for not using enough of someone's work, while printed authors seem to prefer that you attacked or supported one paragraph and didn't try to paraphrase (or copy the entirety of) the rest in a competing medium.

As with all issues that root in the second commandment (nothing natural, at all, and you bloody well better not worship it if you do), lawyers and money figure into them. But, so do attempts at gaining permission. Time or money? This is probably another reason why wikipedia doesn't support links to external images. They can be dynamic spam, for one thing. This kind of stuff is another.

Getting permission to use art-work might not be hard at all. When it comes to music, I think wikipedia is a promotional medium, and it's hard to make hard copy persistent. Maybe that's what's wrong with engravings. BrewJay 14:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Boilerplate
I noticed your edit to All Around My Hat (song), and thought I'd mention the shiny new Template:Traditional Song boilerplate which has been developed in the last 24 hours. It might be a bit heavy for the song, or you might be one who prefers to only make small edits, but by doing a at the top of the article, and then saving it, it will dump in a bunch of headings, etc, that you can use to organise the subject matter available to make it easy (I hope) for people to find what they want. You'll also notice that when you're editing the source, there are a buch of comments in the boilerplate which will hopefully explain what it's all for.

Anyway, I'm not demanding that you use it or anything, just passing on the information so you know it's there.

-- TimNelson 14:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Carnyx as "wind harp"
Hi Ogg, I have a question about your remark on the "Carnyx" talk page. Do you still know which documentary it was, or even if there are any publications on the topic of carnyces as "wind harps" or "wind chimes"? (I googled, but didn't find anything.) All in all this sounds very important, because we know that the head of the Deskford carnyx had been dismantled to function as a sacrificial gift to the gods; the carnyces on the Gundestrup cauldron are depicted in a ceremonial setting; and the Tintignac carnyces were probably stored in the temple before being buried, meaning they were not always in use and in the possession of the musician. When e.g. stored in a temple, maybe attached to the walls near or outside of the entrances, jingles or whistles attached to the instrument's (possibly dismantled) head would make a lot of sense, producing a constant eerie sound for the religious setting. We also know for instance that the animal heads of the instruments were "modular" to some extent, i.e. the tongues inside them could be loosened to produce a jarring sound. Any help would be very much appreciated. Cheers. —Eickenberg 18:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

It's only a vague memory, but I think it was on BBC2 late 2004. I can't find any web references either. There is a photograph of a mock-up on this page Arch of Titus and the one in the program was far larger than that - about 6 feet high with a large bell-end. It's a shame there is nothing else to refer to on this. Ogg 11:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * At imdb I found two documentaries: 1. "Life and Death in Rome" (2005) and 2. "Colosseum: A Gladiator's Story" (2003/2004), the latter being a BBC docu-drama and also including emperor Titus as a character. Maybe this was the one. (?) —Eickenberg 17:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

"Darlin' Cory"
Hello. You wrote that "Darlin' Cory" is a variant of "One Night I Lay on My Bed" in which "A young woman lies in bed thinking of her lover. She hears him tapping at her window, asking to be allowed in. She warns him that her parents will hear them. He replies that they are sound asleep. She lets him in." The lyrics for "Darlin' Cory" can be found at the following URL: http://www.lyricsbox.com/burl-ives-lyrics-darlin-cory-bddpljn.html "Darlin' Cory" does not seem to be a textual variant of "One Night I Lay on My Bed." Could you please clarify? Thanks. -- Chironomia 06:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I innocently tried to find the origins of the song "One Night As I Lay On My Bed" and was soon overwhelmed by the sheer variety of songs with this theme. My main serious point of reference was Jane Keefer's database. Under the heading "Darling Corey" on this page:
 * Jane Keefer. I found on that page that "Darling Corey" was related to "Country Blues", "Dig A Hole in the Meadow", "Cora Allen", "Drowsy sleeper/Sleepers", "Come All You Roving Gamblers", "Little Maggie", "I Ain't Gonna Work Tomorrow". I then followed the link to "Drowsy Sleeper" and discovered a link to "Who's that Knocking on my Window". The last one is definitely the same song as "One night as I Lay on my Bed".

I spend an hour researching, and quite honestly didn't read every single lyric.

You quote the Burl Ives version, which obviously has no overlap with the theme. However, if you read the Kingston Trio version of the lyrics: Corey Corey you find that the chorus is "Wake up, wake up, darlin' Corey. What makes you sleep so sound? The revenue officer's a comin', gonna tear your still house down." By implication the song is sung in bed. Boy that's a tendentious link. My current thinking is that the original 18th/19th century song split into different strands. One strand, probably the oldest, emphasised the crowing cock waking up the couple in bed. One strand emphasised the love of alcohol of the man ("I'm a Rover, seldom Sober"), and another one, that I was unaware of until today, emphasised the love of alcohol of the woman ("Darling Corey"). This last strand is so new in history that it has not been given a "Roud number". As far as I can make out, it is fairly consistently from the USA and related to brewing moonshine. So I stick to my guns and say it is related to "One Night As I Lay On My Bed", but I now think that the link is very remote. So it deserves it's own separate article within Wikipedia. I withdraw the request to have "Darlin' Corie" merged into my article. I am prepared to bow to peer pressure on this one. Ogg 08:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like you've done some good research and made improvements and corrections to the "Darlin' Corey" entry. Thanks. -- Chironomia 02:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

In Marble halls
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That link is where I got my information. Of course, it does appear to have only been added in 2006. Where did you source your info?

-- TimNelson 09:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

A thousand apologies. You are perfectly right. I don't know what possessed me. Grovel, grovel. Ogg 13:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Timeline of trends in music from the United Kingdom
I did the necessary steps to get rid of all the information from the Timeline of trends in music from the United Kingdom page, which you created a while back. I found a use for your pages, putting them into templates instead, for ease of editting, such as Template:Scottish music and Template:English folk music. I hope you agree it was the best thing to do, as the title was quite misleading. Thanks, --Montchav 12:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I sort of expected that those pages would go, but it was a bit strong for somebody to describe them as "Crap". Anyway, I am currently working on the "missing" articles: "Music in the UK 1954", 1955 ... 1987. It's a scandal that 1988 is considered more important that 1967. Ogg 17:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I have just spotted that someone else has done "1951 in British music", 1952, 1977, 1979, but they omit the albums, and give no credit to classical or jazz. Very poor show. Also the discussion is a bit thin. Also what's wrong with 1978? Is there a good reason to omit it? Ogg 18:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sometimes us Wikipedians have no logic when editting - they don't go chronologically or alphabetically, with no obvious order. Good luck with the pages. I would help out, but this isn't my area --Montchav 18:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's nice to known that someone whose subject is not British music, is in a position to delete articles by those who know more about it. Ogg 19:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Fellside Records
An article that you have been involved in editing, Fellside Records, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. Brewcrewer 06:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Cotton Eye Joe
You may note that I also requested that you list a reference for that addition (if there was one, I did not see it). I even said "Please". Also, I did a bit of research, and found a suitable reference and reinserted the mention of trachoma, as well as other proposed explanations. It was good that you put that in the article. I hope there was no harm done by me. Steve Pastor 14:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

We got there in the end, and no harm done. I was just perplexed to see you removing it, then restoring it. I'm into old-timey stuff, so we might cross paths again. Ogg 08:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Skillet Lickers
I saw that you wrote an article about Gid Tanner's Skillet Lickers. I'm the author of that german article and I believe that some of the pictures I uploaded at the commons could be very useful for you.


 * Picture of the Skillet Lickers
 * Sound file of the Skillet Lickers

I just create some more articles about hillbilly and folk musicians or uploaded more photos. The yodeling cowboy (talk) 14:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Great stuff. I have added the image, but I'm not smart enough to add the sound file. Please feel free to do it. The image is credited to 1932, and yet Fate Norris (banjo) lost a hand in an accident in 1931, so I suspect the image cannot be later than 1931. Thanks. Ogg (talk) 16:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think so, too. I believe that it was made in 1925 or 1926, because there are only the four original group members and not some others like Arthur Tanner, Hugh Cross..., which joined later the band. The yodeling cowboy (talk) 17:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Friends of Fiddler's Green
It has been started. Thanks for the nudge. I had started it before, and had it deleted. I wanted to show they were notable. Pustelnik (talk) 23:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Given that nonetities such as "The Burning Leaves", "Eileen Davies" and "Frank Underwood" have articles, "Friends" definitely deserve recognition. Ogg (talk) 19:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Seeger/Dylan
In light of, perhaps you'll respond at Talk:Pete Seeger. --Jerzy•t 09:53 & 09:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I have added what little I know of this event. Ogg (talk) 10:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Edith Fowke
I started an article on Edith Fowke. She was the premier folk song collector in Canada. I can ask a Canadian who should be able to clarify or specify the Fowke numbers, but it might take a few days. Pustelnik (talk) 21:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Hard Hard Times/ Rigs of the Times/ Hard Times of Old England
Hi, I agree with your analysis of the etymology of the song. I had taken it out as the text added to the article didn’t bring out the relationship of the lyrics. It is very interesting that the lyrics have its beginnings elsewhere. Would you like for me to add the text back as it was in the article? Thanks, --HJKeats (talk) 20:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I see you have already undone the deletions. I am happy with the article as it stands now. I'd like to add more detail (dates, countries, particular historical misfortunes), but it's not a high priority for me at the moment. Thanks for your speedy reply. No hard feelings. Ogg (talk) 20:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

An article that might intererst you
Another user at the German-language wiki created an article called de:Times Ain't Like They Used To Be. It's a compilation CD set containing american roots music. Maybe you want to translate in English. And besides: I've expanded the commons category of the Skillet Lickes; see here commons:Category:Skillet Lickers. The yodeling cowboy (talk) 07:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I am cautious about creating any new articles about compilations, because I have had my fingers burned in the past. I created an article about a compilation of Morris dances, with about 50 artists. 2 or 3 of the artists already had articles about them - the rest were new. The article was deleted by the guardians of Wikipedia on the grounds that it was not "notable". I will not be craeting any new articles about compilations in the English-language wikipedia unless 70% of the artists (or songs) already have articles on them. I do not know enough about "Times Ain't Like They Used To Be" to say whether 70% already have articles, so I will not touch it. I would probably enjoy listening to the album, but that is a different question. Ogg (talk) 23:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Ears, Balls, Whatever
Actually, I learned it as "dick", which makes a little more sense with the lyrics than Do Your Ears Hang Low?. I'll look these over, and attach the appropriate Roud number to each version, but the article stand as "Ears", OK? I'm waiting for a reply from the Canadian Museum of Civilization about the Edith Fowke collection numbers. Pustelnik (talk) 23:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

There is currently only one article. Are you volunteering to create a new article called "Do you balls hang Low"? Ogg (talk) 23:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

No, but feel free to do so if you wish. I just added the Roud number to "Balls". Pustelnik (talk) 00:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

History of candle making
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I have voted for the article to be deleted. Ogg (talk) 18:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Roud folk song index
Yes, I agree. I wasn't actually meaning to add red links, in fact. It just sort of happened but I've now got rid of them in Roud nos 200 and above. I do intend to add the articles in time but it takes a lot longer than just adding to the index. Cheers Laetoli (talk) 22:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

No hard feelings. Thanks. Ogg (talk) 21:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Roud folk song index 2
Greetings Ogg,

I am interested in corresponding with people that work on the Roud index. You seem to have access to the database. Do you work on it? Is it available for download somewhere besides the IU Bloomington Library ?

Thanks!

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Roots Project Revival
Hi Ogg, I'm interested in trying to revive the Roots Music WikiProject. Still interested in keeping it going? Best, Chaotic  Reality  01:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Tiffany Lovercheck
Tiffany Lovercheck is the most cutest nicest person you could ever meet. She is 11 and loves her life. She has a boyfreind named Trevor and he is so cute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovercheckt (talk • contribs) 02:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * So who is cuter, Tiffany or Trevor? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

De Dannan
Hi there. I noticed that you seem to take an interest, so a quick question. Is the 1981 De Dannan song called "My Irish Molly" or "Star Spangled Molly"? I remember it being played on the radio non-stop under the latter name, but I see you have a page where it's the name of the album and not the song. On a related note, I see there is no page for the A Woman's Heart album, which I find hard to believe since it's apparently the biggest selling album of all time in Ireland. Don't know if you're familiar with it, but I'd be interested to read about it since it was such a phenomenon. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 02:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of BGO Records
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Unreferenced BLPs
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Nomination of Flutterby Records for deletion
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Nomination of Fellside Records for deletion
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