User talk:Ogilvieharrisjf

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Ogilvieharrisjf, good luck, and have fun. – Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 14:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: User:Ogilvieharrisjf/sandbox (February 12)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! The submission has not been accepted because it included copyrighted information, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work. The existing submission may be deleted at any time. Copyrighted work cannot be allowed to remain on Wikipedia. ''' Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! '''
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The Ukulele Dude - Aggie80 (talk) 19:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
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Your request at WP:REFUND
We cannot restore copyright text, even temporarily, but I have emailed you a copy of the text.

Quite apart from the copyright issue, that was too promotional in tone to be acceptable. If it was copied from the company website, that is not surprising - a website is written in PR-speak, intended to "sell" the company, with lots of glowing adjectives like "stunning" and "incredible" and "ingenious" and "amazing"; but an encyclopedia article is a completely different thing, requiring a neutral point of view - no opinions, just plain facts cited to reliable sources. Everyone sees Wikipedia as a free advertising platform, and so it has become extremely resistant to anything that reads like promotion, or even like a company using the encyclopedia to "tell the world" about itself. See User:JohnCD/Not a noticeboard and WP:PEACOCK for more background, and WP:Your first article for general advice. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:00, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

February 2014
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at User talk:JohnCD, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. While well intended, you probably shouldn't simply delete another person's comments on a third person's talk page. &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  18:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Oops. I just completely misread that... I accidentally removed my own and the other chap's comment because I thought that is what you meant. Ogilvieharrisjf (talk) 19:16, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: User:Ogilvieharrisjf/sandbox (February 14)
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The Ukulele Dude - Aggie80 (talk) 01:20, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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Delayed advice
I am sorry that I did not get around to commenting on your draft last night.

I had not made the connection between your username and the name of the company's founder, or I would have pointed you to the Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Submitting a draft is OK, but you should not edit directly about your company.

Editing with a COI is not forbidden, but it is discouraged because with the best intentions it is hard for people to step outside their normal role, to promote their cause and set it in its best light. Contributions with a known COI are scrutinised particularly hard for neutral tone and independent sources.

The key is to see yourself not as writing for the company, but as writing for Wikipedia about the company, from outside. You should not be writing the story the company wants to tell about itself, but what the reader of a general encyclopedia would be interested to know. Dump the lists of products and stockists, for instance: Wikipedia is not a product catalogue. That is information for the company's website, which can be linked to so that a reader who is interested in that level of detail can find it with a click.

See whether you can find more independent references. An interview in a trade publication is still basically you telling your story: it counts for something that the magazine chose you to interview, but not for much because that sort of mag always needs to fill its space. A good exercise is to follow the advice of a very experienced Wikipedian in User:Uncle G/On notability: "When writing about subjects that are close to you, don't use your own personal knowledge of the subject, and don't cite yourself, your web site, or the subject's web site. Instead, use what is written about the subject by other people, independently, as your sources. Cite those sources in your very first edit.  If you don't have such sources, don't write."

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:08, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah. I know about COI. Actually, I am an advocate of neutrality so have tried to keep the article as neutral as possible (obviously the copied bit from the website wasn't great). I have used information from the company's site and interviews but I guess that isn't 3rd party references. What did you think of it as it is (bar the references)? I'm trying just to write a non promotional but informing article.  Thanks Ogilvieharrisjf (talk) 00:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (I have indented your reply by putting a colon character : in front, and two colons in front of mine. That's usually done on talk pages to make it easier to distinguish successive messages. Another piece of local custom.)


 * I don't really have much to add to what I wrote above. I would certainly omit the long lists of suppliers and products, perhaps retaining a couple of especially significant products; tone down "huge successes"; rephrase or omit "rumour suggests they will be in... " (Wikipedia doesn't do rumours). Most of all, more material from independent sources, so that it is not so much the company talking about itself, directly or via interview. JohnCD (talk) 22:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Ogilvieharrisjf/sandbox


Hello Ogilvieharrisjf. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "sandbox".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 21:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)