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 * Yum]]. Vitarka mudrā is also known as  and Vyākhyāna mudrā "mudra of explanation".

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 * pañca-sīla as "five virtues." ) constitute the basic code of ethics undertaken by [Upāsaka and Upāsikā|[upāsaka and upāsikā]] ("lay followers") of Buddhism. The precepts in all

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 * The Arabs called it the Zabag Kingdom and the Khmer called it Melayu. This is another reason why the discovery of Srivijaya was so

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 * ] clan in an area of modern-day Nepal in the 6th or 5th century BC, a tribal territory which was later absorbed by Kosala.

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 * ས་སྲས་}}, THL Simplified Phonetic Transcription Namtösé and Bishamonten (毘沙門天), is the name of one of the Four Heavenly Kings. He is considered the "chief" of the Four Kings

Buddhist Brâhmans
Okay I nominated for deletion this terrible article Buddhist Brâhmans, you can go to Articles for deletion/Buddhist Brâhmans to weigh in, as I understand it. What a truly terrible idea for an article. It's wrong on so many levels I don't know how to start: brahman isn't a discrete category, we're talking thousands of years and many different cultures, it's unclear that the individuals cited as "brahmans" were so or that they meant what brahman does now; it's literally a glorified list of anyone who has had the word "brahman" attached to them who is affiliated with Buddhism. Ogress smash! 19:00, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Sino-Tibetan relations during the Ming Dynasty
Hi Ogress,

Thanks for taking the time to copy-edit the article Sino-Tibetan relations during the Ming Dynasty, which I brought to featured article status. It was perhaps in sore need of a copy-editing job since it attained that FA status, so cheers for your efforts. I sometimes write longwinded paragraphs without even noticing, so a fresh set of eyes is always welcome. Pericles of Athens Talk 08:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC) It needs a lot more work, but I gave it a start. :-) Ogress smash! 09:08, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Very good. I wrote it years ago, back when I wasn't the best of writers. It's a shame, I'm a much better writer today, but I have little time these days to contribute anything substantive to Wikipedia. Pericles of Athens  Talk 14:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Developing MOS:CHINESE
Hi Ogress, I hope you are doing fine. Anyway, I was wondering if you were interested to help to improve the MOS:CHINESE with me? I've earlier given some thought to MOS:JAPAN, which in my opinion seems to cover better all the different situations one might run into when dealing with the (1) English translations, (2) Kanji, (3) romanization, and (4) explanation for the English term.

Actually, I got rather baffled on what would be the right format of style while editing the article Yiguandao. By MOS terms, it's a "China-related article" and therefore might be slightly different from those "Japan-related" ones. Well, before diving any deeper into the MOS:CHINESE world, may I ask you if romanization and pinyin constitute two different things? :-) So far, I've understood "Wusheng Laomu" as a mere romanization, and "Wúshēng Lǎomǔ" as pinyin (i.e. the romanization does not reveal the different intonations). Or more likely, does romanization stand for it's place when pinyin is already provided (though I noticed that wikilinking a pinyin term usually doesn't work)?

Well, as implied above, I first familiarized myself with MOS:JAPAN at the article Shinnyo-en. I noticed there were a lot of different practices to deal with the combinations of direct English translations, Kanji, romanization, and English-term explanations appearing, and I think MOS:JAPAN provided a pretty good support on how to deal with these incidents. At the moment, I don't think MOS:CHINESE provides such a good support though. Anyway, let me try to give some concrete examples based on the "monologue" I had at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Buddhism#Formatting sentences with multilingual words, and the final outcome at Shinnyo-en (numerals added):

"Example #1: Shinnyo-en practitioners are urged to practice sesshin and undertake (1) the Three Activities ((2) 三つの歩み (3) mittsu no ayumi)."

"Example #2: (1) Joyful donations ((2) 歓喜 (3) kangi, (4) monetary contribution to the organization)"

"Example #3: A sesshin involves receiving guidance from a (1) 'Spiritual guide' ((2) 霊能者 (3) reinōsha, (4) medium), a person who has been specially trained and whose (1) spiritual faculty ((2) 霊能 (3) reinō') is recognized by the Shinnyo-en organization."

where (1) equals the English translation, (2) equals Kanji, (3) equals the romanization, and (4) equals the possible explanation for the English term (although this one appears more rarely). At least in "Japanese-related articles", in my humble opinion, this'd make a clear formula which to follow: 1 - 2 - 3 - (4).

Of course, sometimes the romanized Japanese term might pop up first, e.g.: "Shinnyo-en (真如苑 Borderless Garden of Truth)", when the order would be 3 - 2 - 1, but I think such examples are covered by MOS:JAPAN already?

Well, what do you think Ogress? Not saying that my prior ideas w.r.t. to MOS:JAPAN would be 100% right, but do you think it'd be useful to have some sort of addition to MOS:CHINA? Perhaps a similar one I've suggested/implemented on the Japan-related articles? Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 15:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

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edits to banshee
Hi. You reverted my changes to the banshee article. I'm really not clear what was wrong with my changes. I thought you were meant to leave me a note before undoing good faith edits - and I didn't even get an edit summary!

I don't want to edit war so could you review the changes you made and put back any stuff removed in error or leave me a note if you need more info about any part. filceolaire (talk) 07:17, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sometimes when I revert a change it doesn't keep reverts, I'm sorry if it was unclear. This time of year is a busy time for editors, as you know, since all the kids get out of school and decide to vandalise pages, so things get a little hurried sometimes.


 * To be clear, your edits added highly redundant information ("in Ireland", "a woman of the daoine sidhe" "a ' bean sídhe (pronounced banshee. bean means 'woman')"), uncited information ("(the list varied depending on the audience)"), changed "wailing" to "keening", which is an archaism explained elsewhere in the text, and replaced the word "banshee" with the Irish version when it is a established English term and has equivalents mentioned in the intro in Scotland, Wales and the Southern US - there is no cause to be esoteric or parochial when writing.


 * I suggest you read the text again more closely and see that everything you are jamming awkwardly (with broken syntax, incidentally, which I have fixed when quoting above) into that section was already solidly explained beforehand. Ogress [[User_Talk:Ogress|smash! ]] 07:46, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Ogress for that reply. I agree that it is a little clumsy and would be grateful for your opinion on how this information about the origin in Irish language storytelling could best be added. Could we create a separate heading? filceolaire (talk) 23:10, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Banshee is certainly an established term in English but the origins of this term, in stories of women of the Aos Sí keening at the deaths of prominent people in Ireland, deserves to be made more clear here. My edits were attempting to clarify this. Note that while banshee is an established term in English it does not exist in the Irish language as a distinct concept separate from the daoine sí.
 * Women keening is only traditional "in Ireland".
 * The older stories in Irish tell of women of the Aos Sí keening. This was changed in more recent stories in English to banshees wailing. Can you see why the distinction needs to be made in order to explain this transition?
 * The entire list of 'famous families' is unsourced. I don't see why my addition needs to be deleted. Varying this kind of list to flatter your host is exactly how folk tales work. Pretending there is an authoritative list is misleading. Better to delete the list and replace it with my addition.

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