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Avalokiteśvara
Thanks for all your work cleaning up the article. :) Dharmalion76 (talk) 20:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Wrong rv
Sorry, but the Rv you made here is wrong, as both Shahid and Qanun are Arabic words (though the latter is even a deriviation ultimately from Greek even, as we see). It will thus be reinstated.

Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 05:22, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, no, you are wrong. See, the language of the courts of the Islamicate world east of Baghdad was Persian, and often Persian West of there as well, for like a thousand years. In areas where people weren't Arabic speakers, but did speak Persian, the language they borrowed words from was Persian, and thus those words are Persian, not Arabic. These were Persian speakers and writers. "Words like sahid and kanun came from Persian" is actually correct. If you are going to be pedantic, you'd have to say kanun was borrowed from Greek, as it is the Greek word κανών; this is true of an epic ton of Arabic words that have made their way into common usage (and even those that have not, like "spouse" zawj). Persian literature is the origin of these words, and to claim that they aren't actually Persian is just wrong in the same way that claiming Latinate or French words used in English that have been borrowed into Japanese are somehow "not English". Ogress 17:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey Ogress, yes I understand and concur that the words came through Persian, the latter which had adopted it somewhere earlier. However the very words itself, as in their origin/etymology/etc, are not "Persian" as you agreed with as well, as they were carried (in this case f.e) from Arabic, to Persian, to (eventually in this particular case) Nepali. Perhaps noting the sentence as;


 * "words such as qanun (ultimately from Greek) and shahid (ultimately from Arabic), were carried on into Nepali through Persian, [ which was the literary language of much of the Islamic world or over a thousand years."


 * Or something alike that.
 * Let me know what you think about it. :-) Cheers and bests. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:31, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd just like to point out that the article said "Words like sahid and kanun came from Persian", not "Words like sahid and kanun are Persian". Yes, that form would be fine. I just object to the overwhelming Arabicising of history when in fact the language everyone was using was Persian and often people didn't know even a word of actual Arabic throughout most of the Muslim world unless colloquial Arabic was the local language. Even the Qurans and daily prayers weren't even in Arabic in a great deal of the Islamic world and all the chancelary, religious and colloquial usages were Persian. Ogress 19:29, 17 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's all true, especially about the people not grasping part. Well common people will always remain, yeah, common people. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 20:41, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi
Hi I saw your reply on WT:IN, I never had intention to hurt you. I was talking just as an editor and nothing specifically about you. You are here on Wikipedia since 10 years so you should be mature enough to digest such "opposes" on Wikipedia, I am here since just 8 months and by now I am able to digest and answer such things. This is routine thing on Wikipedia. Sometimes our views get accepted and sometimes gets rejects, only best thing we should do is just leave it and move on to another topic. Do not stick to one topic only and do not take anything personally. I don't know you read my Email or not which I sent to you 4-5 days ago, because I already knew you may take such kind of "retirement" decision after that issue started on WT:IN, because everyone was opposing you. Anyway, you are good editor, I think taking retirement is little bit hard step for this minor issue. Such kind of disputes are common on Wikipedia. You should have ignored this issue, more you get involved in it more you get oppose. Anyway, I don't want to get feel that you have retired because of me, or I'm one of person responsible for it, etc. Feel free to come back and continue good editing. Thank you. -- Human 3015   TALK   12:57, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Hell?
The heat is rising? Have a chocolate icecream. Absolutely no good for your weight & physical health, but surely good for yoyr mental health. All the best,  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   12:50, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Retired? Oh, come on! Take a break, cool down, and come back.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   13:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Retired?
Whaaa? No you can't! You're too young and too talented to retire! (ok I don't really know if you're young or not but you're talented for sure.) You're probably the best POV fighter and garbage cleaner I've seen, and there's still so much POV and garbage on Wikipedia! If the POV fighting gets too stressful, just find an easier subject to edit and regroup. So please unretire ASAP! -Zanhe (talk) 07:54, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Avestan
Ogress, Avestan is not Iranian as Iran didn't exist then! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hvarena (talk • contribs) 13:23, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sigh...  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   13:30, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

FYI
See Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. P.S. Hope you come back after spending some time away from Wikipedia. --Neil N  talk to me 13:39, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Retired?
Hi Ogress; it's a shame that you've retired and I do hope that, if possible, you will reconsider and return to us. You're a good, constructive editor and we need you here at Wikipedia. I nevertheless do appreciate that there may well be 'real life' factors that have impacted your decision, and that moreover the constant unpleasantness and disruptive of some editors here is very offputting. Regardless of whether you return or not, let me say thank you for all the work that you have done! Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep. Me too. Drop me a line if you like, if there's some wiki-thing that I can help with. Drmies (talk) 01:37, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Sanskrit romanisation
Hello Ogress. Sorry to hear that you might have left Wikipedia. On the off chance that you will make a further comment, please consider Talk:Shunga. When I noticed your post at User talk:Cpt.a.haddock/Archive 1 it gives me confidence that you know something about romanizing Indic languages for Wikipedia purposes. This move request has been open a long time and I was considering closing it. It seems that some people have commented on the romanisation issue. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 00:04, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Ed, Shunga Empire is indeed the correct title for that page. It is what is called the "simplified transliteration" on WP:NCIN. It might also be the primary transliteration. So, any proposal to move it to "Sunga Empire" would be unreasonable. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 19:35, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Why did you delete a top Oxford scholar from Hatha Yoga?
Why did you delete a top Oxford scholar from Hatha Yoga? Both Joshua Jonathan and I think he is one of the best sources on yoga.VictoriaGraysonTalk 17:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Vic, I guess you didn't see the RETIRED banner at the top? - Kautilya3 (talk) 19:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ogress is retired now and we can take benefit of that by reverting her edits that we don't like. . -- Human 3015   TALK   20:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Most editors put the RETIRED banner for a couple of weeks, and then come back.VictoriaGraysonTalk 20:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Revisiting MOS:IDENTITY regarding transgender individuals in articles about themselves and in passing in other articles
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Season's Greetings


Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season,

and all best wishes for the New Year!

JimRenge (talk) 18:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Activity
Boring holiday? ;) Glad to see some activity there.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   05:48, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I was annoyed by a page and it seemed obscure enough that no one would care and shriek at me for fixing the grammar and spelling that I was sufficiently willing to fix it. Ogress 12:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Shriek at you? On the contrary, we are very glad to see it! Happy holidays Ogress! - Kautilya3 (talk) 14:48, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep!  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   17:16, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I note that Paisaci and two other pages (and doubtless others, I deleted my 3,399-page watchlist) remains misspelled by both IAST and Wikipedia romanisation guidelines. Paishachi is pronounced /paj.ˈʃaː.tʃiː/ and yet somehow appears as Paisaci. In fact, it was moved from the IAST to the current form. The discussion page even states (incorrectly) that it is misspelled and should be Paisachi if we aren't using IAST but rather WP "plain" romanisation - it should be Paishachi, which means "of the Pishacha [demons]", a name that is properly romanised according to Wikipedia standards. Similarly, Salakapurusa (IAST śalākāpuruṣa) is pronounced $\langleʃa.laː.kaː.pu.ru.ʂa\rangle$ and Bhagavathi is a clear Sanskrit word with no aspiration on the t (no one is even claiming there is!); it's the female form of the Sanskrit root bhagavant-. )


 * This exact argument led to me leaving, as I was berated and belittled for making bold changes when no one commented on page move discussions and spelling issues on obscure, specialist topics and then attempted to bring page move discussions up and got no responses to nearly any of my move discussions. The atmosphere remains toxic and I continue to be saddened and infuriated that people who do not understand a topic act as if people who specialise in those topics are wrong, yet refuse to participate in discussions on those topics. It's maddening and why I have not edited anything in months - aside from this most recent delve into a sutra - as it is patently political.


 * I know this problem is systemic all the way up to the admin level; when I left there was talk of scrapping much of the traditional hierarchy of power entirely for a new system of administration that was accountable, flexible and not permanent, but as I understand it, nothing at all has changed. Reports from the Women in Red and other projects dealing with minority/bias issues demonstrates that the problems are continuing and grievous and the recent decision of Wikimedia to dismiss a popular admin board member entirely without commenting at all is even more troubling.


 * I want to just edit Wikipedia, and I have been here a long time and was never interested in power or politics per se. I'm a glorified copyeditor and fact-checker, and yet I found myself so irritated and eventually angry I could not continue my work. I was called out for doing my work, which few people are interested in doing in the areas in which I focused my edits, in fact, and when I suggested policy might provide guidelines the idea was dismissed.


 * It seems pointless to me to try to continue, but I really don't like not working here. If anyone has any feedback, I'd listen, because I'm super bitter about this entire situation. Ogress 21:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is frustrating, yet it's part of the deal. So, we've all got to deal with it. Reagrding the spellings, I guess it's best to take one or wto names at a time for correction, and just simply accept it when you don't get through. I understand it matters to you, but it doesn't matter for most people. They just want to find the correct article. When you don't get through, at leas you can add the pronounciation and the correct spelling to the lead. Frustrating, yes...  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   05:51, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Good to see you back Ogress! I know it's tiring to fight the POV pushers and educate the ignorant newbies, and it's frustrating that Wikipedia does not give veteran editors preference over dodgy editors in disputes, but there are plenty of places to contribute without the stress. Happy New Year and I hope you'll stay for good! -Zanhe (talk) 18:51, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Ogress, are you back back? :D --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I legitimately don't know yet although I've done a little more minor copyediting. Ogress 21:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * do the two of you know each other?  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   06:15, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Ogress!


Happy New Year! Ogress, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.  Human 3015   Let It Go   15:11, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Devanagari
I just thought: I should ask Ogress for her opinion about it; but you had already removed it. It seems you are restoring your watchlist - or do you practice mind reading? JimRenge (talk) 22:37, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have been doing a tiny bit of editing once every few days as I run into things; my watchlist is like 40ish pages (if I edit a page, it's added to my watchlist unless I manually remove it later because it's annoying). What page in particular were you referencing? Ogress 22:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Amitābha and Five Dhyani Buddhas. JimRenge (talk) 22:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Devanagari spam bad. At least it's not devanagari Pali spam, which makes me actively confused. Still not sure why that page isn't Five Tathagatas... the talk page is also confused why it is not given that the term "5 Dhyani" exists only as an accidental creation of Orientalist translators. Ogress 22:56, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I wonder what is the added value of this table for the reader of an english encyclopedia and why they did not add the Kalmykyan names. JimRenge (talk) 23:12, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Page move
I tried to move Shrauta to Śrauta, but got reverted. Please see.VictoriaGraysonTalk 16:09, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well the reason was given as "I oppose unilateral move, take it to talk". Nothing's on talk more recent than 2006. Just propose move there? Ogress 07:31, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

History Dutch language
Hello Ogress, thank you for correcting the Dutch Language lemma. About one of your corrections I have a question. Mainly for reasons of unity in the headings, I used in the History section Old Frankish as subheading, in line with the subheadings in that section Old Dutch, Middle Dutch etc. Do you have a reason to change this in The Frankish language (including even the article the)? Old Frankish is a very common name for the language. If you do have good reasons, in that case I would suggest to use in all subheadings the article the and the word language after the language in question. But it doesn't have my preference, since it feels redundant: it is pretty obvious that we are dealing with languages/dialects here (and not with the Frankish culture for example). Also, using articles in headings is not very common (for the same reasons of economy).

The same question with regard to the Middle Dutch dialects (article 'the' not used consequently, adding dialect/language after the dialect in question). Watisfictie (talk) 15:27, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The languages are so named on Wikipedia. It's not "Old Frankish", it's Frankish language (because there was no Middle or New/Modern Frankish). I added "the" in that header because tbh it seemed really weird without it, but that's a style point I'm totally willing to adjust if you disagree. Same with the other edits, where they are called "X dialect". The exception is, of course, Limburgish, which is Limburgish language as it is referred to as a language. I also changed a term to "varieties" at one point, I believe, because it was neutral to the question of whether the following were dialects or languages. Ogress 23:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Interesting; never noticed this article before. My parents come from the north of the Netherlands, and lived at a language-border, in the west of Groningen: my father learned Gronings and standard Dutch, my mother learned a mixture of Fries (Frysian father), German (German mother), Gronings and also standard Dutch. So, all the three German dialects mentioned in the history part were learned by my parents. Best regards,  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   05:38, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Old Frankish is an entry in Wikipedia, and it leads to the same page as Frankish language. Sometimes entries are known by more than one name (the United States for example, or trees and their fruit). This is the case also for Frankish (as the Wikipedia entry of Frankish points out in the first sentence of the lead). This is the reason Wikipedia has a system of redirects. Nevertheless I have no problem dropping the "Old" in Old Frankish, even though it is the same language as Frankish.


 * But I am not in favour of using the formula "X + language" or "X + dialect" in headings or enumerations. Because they should be quickly readable, and in the case of enumerations it's too much repetition of the same word. The context of the subheadings under history, and the enumeration of Middle Dutch dialects is clear enough to understand the meaning. (And in the 5/6th century the different languages (Saxon, Frisian etc) where still mutually intelligible, so language and dialects  in that respect didn't differ anyway. We refer now to them as languages, because they have lead to different languages in later periods).


 * Modern day Limburgish is a language or a dialect depending of one's perspective. The Dutch government recognises it as a minority language. In Belgium however, where the same Limburgish is spoken, it is not recognised as a language and regarded as a dialect of Dutch. That is not to say that the modern day Limburgish dialect/language is one of the most distant dialects/languages from the standard Dutch language. Apart from this, when linguists talk about Middle Dutch, they mean the Hollandic, Brabantic, Flemish and Limburgish dialects. (See also how it is used in the entry Middle Dutch. Watisfictie (talk) 05:44, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

There's a merger proposal rgdg LeBaron group/Ch1stborn
...Here: Talk:Church_of_the_Firstborn_of_the_Fulness_of_Times.--Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 17:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Commas with numerals
Thanks, Ogress. Always happy to learn about conventions that are out there. Mine are from the Chicago Manual of Style (Sec. 8.65-66), and MLA Handbook (Sec. 2.5.3). Kotabatubara (talk) 17:36, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Please see
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Comment
Ogress, You have recently deleted some of my edits, what was so wrong about them? I was only commenting about how to improve certain articles.74.90.110.7 (talk) 15:59, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You wrote racist antisemitic apologia on a talk page. Even if this was a forum, which it isn't, that wouldn't be appropriate. Also, I already explained this on the talk page in question, which, if you had bothered to read it, would have obviated your need to come to my page in the first place to complain. Ogress 03:57, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Maybe I was slightly opinionated because my religion was under attack, but I did mention that the article could be improved. The things I said are factual, if you did try to read the passages of the Talmud in question ( Gittin 57a, Kallah 51a, Sanhedrin 54b & 106b, Kethuboth 11b, etc.) please do not call me anti-Semitic, that couldn't be more false. 74.90.110.7 (talk) 16:43, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Listen, Jews are being murdered in the streets for their religion and attacked by governments for the same: France, Germany; Hungary has a literal Nazi party in power that is screaming about eradicating Jews and Muslims. Maybe take a breath. You think alleged comments in the Talmud - assuming they are even accurate - that Christians are theologically indefensible is equivalent to the fact that in the United States, most Christian churches think all Jews bear the sin of murdering Christ and teach this to children?


 * All of that aside, your claims that there are actual attacks on Christianity in the Bible are lurid antisemitic lies. Gittin 57a does not discuss Christianity - read it. Go read it. Kallah 51a - I just read it, not a word about Christianity. Sanhedrin 54b is a discussion of the sins of pederasty and bestiality.


 * I could go on but this is tiresome and obviously full you are full of lies and propaganda. "please do not call me anti-Semitic" you are literally repeating anti-Semitic propaganda. Ogress 17:18, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I am not anti-Semitic, and I am not spreading propaganda. All I am doing is speaking the truth. The facts are the facts, the Jewish people proclaimed throughout the Old Testament that they were awaiting their Messiah, and when He came, they killed Him. For goodness sakes, their own prophecies talk about the Messiah all the time, and Jesus meets every single prophecy. I am a Catholic, and no Catholic I know advocates any sort of violence to Jews, so I don't know where that comes from. I also don't really understand your, "theologically indefensible" comment. Now the facts: I most certainly have read Gittin 57a, and it refers to a certain "Balaam" boiling in hell, in a pot of hot sem-n. (It is so disgusting, I refuse to write the whole thing). Now, if you read the Jewish Encyclopedia article on Balaam, it says ( under the segment titled 'The Strategy of Balaam') " Henceforth, he [Balaam] became the type of false prophets seducing men to lewdness and obscene idolatrous practices... and hence, the pseudonym 'Balaam' is given to JESUS in Sanhedrin 106b, and Gittin 57a." I do not know what more proof you need, but... Here is the synopsis of Jesus, Mary, and Sanhedrin 106. Since the encyclopedia has clarified for us that 'Balaam' is used for Jesus in this text, let me give you the synopsis of the text. It says that Balaam was the son of Miriam the 'hairdresser'. And Miriam, the descendent of princes and governors (Mary was of the line of David) played the harlot with carpenters (Jesus' FOSTER FATHER JOSEPH was a carpenter, He was really conceived by the Holy Ghost in the womb of a virgin. He was not conceived by a prostitute in an adulterous relationship). You tell me, am I anti-Semitic, or is the Talmud blasphemously anti-Catholic? I would love to hear your response, it ought to be interesting.74.90.110.7 (talk) 19:29, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not interested in discussing any of this, this is not a forum and this is not a Catholic apologist encyclopedia. There may be repudiations of Christian belief in Judaism, as I already stated, but two comments: First, scholars disagree wildly what those references are. Second, how is that startling that Judaism might repudiate the seemingly wildly heretical beliefs of a related faith? That is what I meant by Jewish representations of Christ as 'theologically indefensible'; you think the Hebrew Bible clearly prepares the world for the arrival of Jesus, but that's definitely not the position held by Jews, it's reading prophecy backwards into the scripture and it has no place in Wikipedia presented as The Factual Truth Of The World That Jesus Is Lord. And nothing is blasphemous because this is not a fucking organ of the Church, this is a public encyclopedia. Now leave me alone. Ogress 19:43, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I shall leave you alone, but not until I give my comment in response to yours. Scholars seem to not really disagree, due to the fact that the Jewish Encyclopedia says what it says (an encyclopedia compiled by Jewish scholars might I add). Second, Judaism has prophecy after prophecy dealing with the Messiah, every one of which Jesus Christ fulfilled. My issue is with the fact that they 1) Deny Him as the Messiah, 2) Kill Him, and 3) Write evil, blasphemous, false things about Him, His mother, and the Church which He founded. They do not really 'repudiate' His teachings, they only speak of Him as being the son of a prostitute and boiling in a pot of #. Lastly, I sure do know what Wikipedia is, but when you call me an anti-Semite and defend those things which are blasphemous to my God and Faith, I find it my duty to respond and try my best to correct you. Also, when confronted with irrefutable evidence, you call me an anti-Semite and use vulgarity. Is that the best way to have a discussion? No. Anyway, I hope you have been convinced, but in case you have not... Have a good day.74.90.110.7 (talk) 20:46, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am a Muslim, leave me alone. Ogress 20:48, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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Please avoid changing "Trump" to "Drumpf"
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 * Oof, sorry about that. It *was* due to it. Ogress 06:24, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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Moya Brennan
Seriously, please get off my back over the Moya Brennan page. Excuse me for editing at all. Please and thank you. --XenaDance-- (talk) 05:16, 15 April 2016 (UTC)--XenaDance--
 * You are blatantly introducing false information about a living person; expect rapid and firm responses to your apparent trolling of a singer you apparently loathe. I don't have a personal liking for her myself but there are legal reasons false information and bad cites will not be permitted. Ogress 05:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Amitābha
Please see. JimRenge (talk) 23:21, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Solved. JimRenge (talk) 14:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Marketing specialist for Creators Syndicate
Good afternoon,

I am new on wikipedia but I have some important information to update on Richard S. Newcombe. I was working on the updates and it seems that half of my submission wasn't saved correctly due to Kasperbot's rejection to the first save. I was saving because I didn't want to loose the information we had typed in. I realize I could have avoided this however I am in this situation of trying to recover valuable information. Also I do have sources to back my information I just didn't get around to updating them as I am slow to because I am new. I would appreciate your kindness towards this matter.

I am the marketing specialist for Creators Syndicate.

Gabriellemh Gabriellemh (talk) 22:10, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * In response to your comment on my page, I suggest you immediately read Conflict of interest as your statement indicates you have a fundamental COI and should not be editing the Wikipedia pages in question. Ogress 23:01, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi,

I understand your concern for COI however I am providing facts. I just didn't provide the links right away before I submitted the information. I am not editing to take a specific side or steer away from facts. I am uploading information regarding the company and will be providing references for that information. Gabriellemh (talk) 23:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I have reported your COI to the requisite board as it is a clear and very severe conflict of interest. A COI does not mean you cannot provide information, but the way you provide this would not be through the normal editing process. There are very strong reasons for this kind of board and management policy. You can find the entry - which should have showed up for you anyway - here: Conflict of interest/Noticeboard Ogress 23:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, I am still learning and appreciate patience. Does this mean that I have to use a separate process to post information for that page? 23:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC)Gabriellemh (talk)

Gaelic in Shetland
Hello Ogress,

I see you reverted my edit of the Shetland article. Although I don't disagree with your statement that the 2005 law made Gaelic an official language in Scotland, I believe that the Gaelic name for Shetland has no place in the Wikipedia article, definitely not as prominant as it currently is. This leads people to believe that Gaelic is or has been widely spoken in the Isles. I am a Shetlander and all of my ancestors back to well before the 1700s were from there. The only Gaelic I heard in my time in Shetland was in a Tennants Lager advert based on Whisky Galore. The first time I heard of Sealtainn was reading this article.

As is stated in the article, Shetland is culturally and linguistically distinct from mainland Scotland. Shetland's dialect is derived from a mixture of old Norse and Scots English. In the Scottish Gaelic article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic) the percentage of Gaelic speakers was less than the 2% threshold required to put the isles on the map.

Please reconsider your inclusion of the Gaelic name in the article or if you have to, qualify it by stating that Gaelic is not a language which was traditionally spoken in Shetland.

Best Regards,

Stuart Irvine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirvine42 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It'd be best to have this conversation on the talk page: Talk:Shetland. I understand that language is a fraught issue, but it has an official name in Scottish Gaelic, one of the official languages of the land. A section on language would seem prudent anyway as it was a Norse settlement and many words entered the Gaelic languages from Norse due to this settlement such as rosualt "walrus". Ogress 18:53, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

@Ogress

Done, original text copied into the Talk:Shetland page also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirvine42 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Britannica and Semitic people article
I not once showed you this source, but you either ignored it or told me it only about "the ancient people", while there are no such statements. Уour behavior is not useful. And that claims you make about other editors are unacceptable Cathry (talk) 22:58, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this message. Ogress 00:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)