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I just came across an exchange between you and re. your edits to the Olmecs article. I merely wanted you to know that I'm sorry for the treatment you endured at his hands and I admire your character in dealing with his abuse in a seemingly professional way. Most notably, I think it's always unwarranted for someone to presumptively aver that "You need to be more careful," etc., rather than to substantively address a given issue. That pattern of vainglorious abuse is evident throughout Newimpartial's talk page, so I hope you and the other targets are none the worse for it. Cheers, and good health. --Kent Dominic·(talk) 07:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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Mistake in the Mari article
I think you made a small mistake while editing the article about Mari, Green's book linked to support this does not link the name of the city with Itūr-Mēr, he only discusses the diffusion of cult of this deity in this area? And as far as I know, authors who do accept that the name of this city was derived from a theonym advocate a connection with the basic form Mēr/Wēr, not with the derivative Itūr-Mēr (which was exactly what the article advocated before your edit too). Most recent source to address the matter is, to my best knowledge, the Wettergott(heiten) entry in RlA by Daniel Schwemer (p. 90), and he similarly makes it clear this theory (which he does not seem to support himself) pertains to Mēr/Wēr, as opposed to Itūr-Mēr. HaniwaEnthusiast (talk) 19:01, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * However, the name of the tutelary deity of Mari is Itūr-Mēr, not Mer, so I can change the cite to, which clearly states this. Ogress 20:18, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

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Can you help with Draft:Huastvanift? I think it’s got a lot of potential but needs some more work. Do you think you could find some more sources on it and then submit it? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 06:10, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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My Saka edit
(Sorry if my English is bad) Hello! I saw that you put a message on my page (sorry if I am late). It was saying that you were deleted my Saka edit and so on... and lastly, you said that i can talk in your page. İn here, I will a lot of sources that Scythians/Sakas had Turkic origin. There are a lot of Persian propagandaists/trolls in Wikipedia. For example, if you go the Scythian page of Wikipedia, you will see a source named "Minns 1913, p. 36:'The general view is that both agricultural and nomad Scythians were Iranian.'" (Minns 1913=Ellis H. Minns, Scythians and Greeks), in fact, he says that but they do not publish the opinion of the author. Let's look the 44th page of the book:

At any rate it is clearly stated that the Scyths came from the East.

In those times, the Turks used to live in the Eastern (Mongolia and Xinjang part) and Central Asia. Let's continue:

Of course the Asiatic origin of the nomad Scyths is no bar to their Iranian affinity, but it makes a non- Aryan derivation conceivable.

So we can understand that Ellis H. Minns thinks that Scythians had not any Iranian origin.

According to the Richard Knolles, the Turks came from Scythia. Source:The Turkish History:Comprehending of the origin of that NATION, and the growth of the Ottoman Empire, with the LİVES and CONQUESTS of their feveral KINGS and EMPERORS, p. 341:

[...] and bloody, than the Turks themselves when they came from Scythia, in this manner the Turks relieved imminent destruction [...]

The following sentence appears in Stoyan Dinkov's (he is a Bulgarian) book titled TURAN - From Scythians and Huns - To Turks and Bulgarians:

In Turkish:"Daha sonraları Kurganlar üzerinde araştırma yapılırken çok miktarda ürünlerle güncellenmiştir kanıtlarla İskitlerin hakim dizilerinin Proto-Türk oldukları."

Translation:"Later, during research on the Kurgans, it was updated with a large number of products, with evidence that the dominant lines of the Scythians were Proto-Turkic."

(I couldn't find the English version of the book)

G. W. B. Huntingford's "Who Were the Scythians?" On page 785 of his book, he uses the following sentence while describing the Scythians:

The word 'Scythian' was used by to describe the all barbarian inhabitants of what is now Russia, just as we, speak loosely of Tatars and Mongols.

pp. 89-91 of the “Turkish image in Spain in the 16th century in the context of Habsburg-Ottoman rivalry” book of Fernando Fernández Lanza:

The Greeks called the warrior Scythian women 'Amazon' and said that they removed one of their breasts to become stronger. Imam Mervezi says that those women warriors were Turkic.

What is written on page 393 of the book "An Epitome of History" written by John Payne and published in 1795 is as follows:

The Turks are of Tartarian and Scythian extraction; and this appeltion was [...]

In A. Sanducci's book "Ancient Scholars about the Turks and Turkic nations: The MEGA Edition", it is emphasized that they are Turks with the following words:

[...] Scythians and all the summoned nations could communicate with each other, and most likely, they all knew the Scythian language. Given that the Scythians were of Turkic origin, it is easy to determine what language they used – ancient [...]

A study on the DNA of the Scythians in Britain's Nature Communications journal reveals that their DNA is most similar to the Central Asian Turks. Press Here to See*

The similar study also done in Science Advances journal and the result is same:They are mostly similar to the Turks! Press Here to See*

Another study about DNA which says Scythians are Turks:

Davidski (3 March 2017). "Eurogenes Blog: Genetic origins and legacy of the Scythians and Sarmatians". Eurogenes Blog

For further explanation and sources, look:


 * Meyer, Eudard (1926). Geschichte des Altertums. Stuggart J. C. Gotta. p. 905.


 * Prof. Durmuş, İlhami (2012). Scythians, p.62-66, Akçağ Publishing, Ankara, ISBN 978-605-5413-95-8


 * The Turks. Volume 1: Early Ages. Part 3: Old nomads of the steppes: Scythian age in Eurasia. Prof. Dr. A. Chay - Prof. Dr. I. Durmus, Scythians, 2002, p. 147-166], ISBN 975-6782-56-0)


 * Mirfatih Zekiyev, Origin of the Tatars and Turks, p. 143-178 Selenge yayınları Ağustos 2007


 * Tarhan, M. Taner - "The Turks in the World of the Asia Minor:Cimmerians and Scythians" Encyclopedia of Turks, Volume I, Ankara, 2002, p. 597


 * Kazi Laypanov / İsmail Miziyev, Origin of the Turkic peoples, Selenge publishing, 2008, p. 77-101


 * Das Land der Seide und Tibet im Lichte der Antike, Albert Herrmann, p. 147


 * Robert Gordon Latham, Russian and Turk, archived, Chapter:The Yakut, p. 237:"Avars and Huns with the Scythians of Heredotus and their destencants [...] That before the Huns, who are the first in the date of the Turks of the present investigations, the old [...]"


 * Leon Whiteley, KYRGYZSTAN: Reflections of a Winter's Journey, archived., 2012, p. 20:"[...] Scythians . The Scythians refused to join battle, so Darius pursued them further and further into a featureless [...] and won against these Turkic nomads . The Turkic nomads are also likely to have exercised some control over Central Asian urban centres [...]"


 * Molla Mehmed El’Abeshi; Mufassal Tarih-i Kavm-i Türki, ufa, 1909, p.54:“One of the Turkish tribes and the world's great group of ancient tribes is the Scythian Turks."

BaharatlıCheetos2.0 (talk) 08:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * O. Franke; Beitrage aus Chinesischen Quellen Qur Kenntnis der Türk-Völker und Skythen Zentralasiens, 1904, p.60-61.

Ogress 13:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @BaharatlıCheetos2.0, the place for this discussion is the page's talk page, and I request you take discussions like this to the appropriate talk page and tag people there.
 * Almost none of those are Reliable sources! They are almost all extremely archaic works, and the ones that aren't - Eurogenes and Nature - actually say the exact opposite of what you claim. "Genomic inference reveals that Scythians in the east and the west of the steppe zone can best be described as a mixture of Yamnaya-related ancestry and an East Asian component."
 * Not only that but BaharatliCheetos2.0 also engages in WP:SYNTH here. They have a history of pseudo-history, which they have already been warned of several times now. They have also tried to pov push the Bronze Age peoples Mesopotamian Gutians and Turukkaeans as "Turks", which is absolutely absurd. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Ludwig Krug
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