User talk:Ohms law/Archive 10

ENGVAR
Hi Ohms law; sorry if you think I'm using underhanded tactics against you, but I really believe that conversation wasn't going anywhere. Also, one could point out that you have been very vocal on this issue in the past: when the ISS article was promoted to FA status, with almost unanimous support in the end, you opposed on ENGVAR grounds - an issue others didn't seem to care about at all.

I simply don't see a path to establishing a new consensus, unfortunately; the status quo is fairly strongly in favour of British English.. it seems arbitrary, but that's the way it is. There doesn't seem to be a policy-based argument that dislodges the status quo in this case.. that's why I'm trying to wrap up the conversation. Mlm42 (talk) 04:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * meh... whatever. Google keeps bringing me back here, is all (of course, I'm the idiot who almost reflexively logs myself back in every 30 days or so... *sigh*) I just love the characterization of what I said earlier, though. Kudos for the use of good (even if transparent) argumentation. Just keep repeating the "status quo" stance, to yourself and others. There's no possible counter-argument to that stance, after all, which makes it perfectly reasonable to retain the closed off mindset that you've created for yourself here. Happy Editing! — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 05:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I personally love it like that dead parrot sketch. I do try so very very hard to go along with Mlm's thinking, and bending my head to see it from his point of view. Usually I see anything from anyone's point of view, but sometimes I kind of fail, and in this case the car falling to pieces in front of the used car salesman just pops in there, I can't help it, there is something about Mlm42's point of view, which I honestly try to agree with, that well, I think there must be something missing on my part that I fail to understand. I mean I got like 6 pages of mlm42 advice telling me not to edit the article at all, full stop, and then 1,000 edits later I still can't see why I shouldn't edit the article. But I do try. I live in hope that one day I will understand why all the editors that point out the poor decision don't actually exist, or like WD says, are 'irrelevant' and 'pathetic'. Personally I don't think they are 'irrelevant' or 'pathetic' and I can't see much support for the original decision, I was really, I mean it, going to change sides to give WD two votes because it looked so bad at 4:1 and I felt sorry for him as he was so upset about it, but luckily NavyBlue helped out there, and I hope mlm will join in and say that ignoring the uproar was the right way to go, it shall make it a less embarrassing 7:4 I think ? Anyhow, I shall endeavor to further understand mlm's point of view on this, as there must be common ground somewhere. Penyulap   talk 11:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Nit-picking
"When kindergarden classes (or, for you European folks, nursery schools I suppose)" -- I would have thought that kindergarden was precisely what some Continental European folks have, and that it was English speaking peoples who have nursery schools :-)


 * Etymology: < German Kindergarten, lit. ‘children's garden’.  ... The word was coined by Froebel in German in 1840: ‘Entwurf‥eines Kinder-Gartens’ (OED)

Nursery school is also or European Origin (if England is an island of the European continent an not an island off the Eastern seaboard of North America):


 * 1835  D. W. Webber Let. ...  "It was‥in the year 1765 that Lord Wellesley was brought to school.‥ It was quite a nursery school.‥ As a kind of Preparatory School it was in great Fashion." (OED)

And "Nit-picking" --> 1951 Charleston (W. Virginia) Daily Mail (OED)

-- PBS (talk) 15:23, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't really know for sure what terminology they use in Europe (and elsewhere). All I know for sure is that I went to kindergarden (kindergarten?), and that's a pretty standard experience across the US (at least for my generation). I'd heard somewhere that the British (and, I assume, pretty much the rest of the Commonwealth, with the possible exception of Canada?) send their kids to nursery school, or boarding school, or prep school, or something... *shrug* — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 18:41, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

3RR result
Please see the result of WP:AN3. Editors ought to use discussion at WT:NOT before changing this redirect again, in either direction. I hope you will join in if such a discussion is opened. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 16:37, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

WT:BLP foreign sources/diacritics
As someone fairly new to this issue (if my attention hadn't been canvassed by a user's misleading statement on Talk:Denes Lukacs RM I wouldn't have taken an interest) I had AGF your comments on WT:BLP, assuming that you were (i) neutral party, (ii) an admin or BLP regular. Then looking back at the category:Czech ice hockey players saga today I stumble accross Talk:Petr Sýkora and then in post RM edit history this. I have no problem with the edit per se (I may be missing something), but I think it'd be fair on WT:BLP to declare your own position, as I have declared mine. Cheers In ictu oculi (talk) 00:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Understandable, but this is a bit misplaced for a couple of reasons. First, I'm really not as partisan about the issue as you seem to be suggesting. Just because I'm capable of crafting a coherent argument, I'd hope that wouldn't box your opinion of me into being some sort of crusader, because I'm certainly not. There are plenty of other discussions about this going back years as well, most with the same character as you're pointing to here. Second, and most importantly, I'd again like to point out that the discussion which we're talking about here was taking place on the Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living people page, which isn't exactly the most appropriate venue to debate the diacritics issue. The topic caught my attention sure, but you'll notice that I tried to bring the discussion around to the policy, there. — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 01:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, that's okay, thanks for this answer. No of course I can't/don't think that having edited a couple of Czech hockey BLPs makes one ineligible to discuss the issue at BLP, I myself added accurate diacritics to Tomáš Sýkora lede before I saw your edit to his homonym. I'm just saying we should all declare our positions, that's all. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No trouble. { I don't think that I have any trouble declaring my position on this (or any other) issue. Again though, that conversation was taking place on WT:BLP, which is supposed to be about discussing the policy itself rather then any specific application of that policy. Incidentally, there's a BLP noticeboard, which is more about the application of the BLP policy, in case you're unaware. That being said, this isn't really a BLP issue in my view either, although it happens to come up quite a bit on BLP articles (I think that's primarily because people have this idea that other people's names are... sacred, or something, I guess). I think if it as more of a run-of-the-mill content issue, personally.
 * Anyway, regarding the actual diacritics issue itself, I think that Sykora is an excellent example. Now, obviously he's a Czech, and he's a living person who has a whole life. I understand all of that, but the thing is that he's known primarily because he's an NHL hockey player. It does get a bit muddled by the fact that he's spent time playing hockey outside of the NHL, both in juniors and for a couple of seasons professionally, but I think that it would be tough to argue that his career outside of the NHL is particularly notable (other than making his comeback this season slightly more notable). The funny thing is... I really don't even think of what his article should be as a biography. The main concern when it comes to Peter Sykora, and just about every other athlete, is his playing career. There are obvious exceptions to this (Martin Brodeur springs to mind, but I think that you're coming more from the tennis world, so... John McEnroe fits what I'm talking about), where certain top athletes have transcended their sport to become more generally notable. For the most part however, I don't really care about Peter Sykora's biography, and I certainly don't care about Tomas Sykora's bio. Myself and others with an interest in hockey care about both of their carriers, though. That being the case, it really doesn't matter that the guy's name is "Petr Sýkora", because what is essentially his stage name is Peter Sykora. That's obviously a (very) poor anglization of his name, but the fact is that nobody who's interested in "Peter Sykora" is likely to care. Just about everything that could be referenced regarding "Peter Sykora" uses the non-diacritics name for him, with the exception of media coverage from his time in Europe. The coverage from Europe and from very early in his career makes at least mentioning his "real name" important, but to make his article title "Petr Sýkora" is... confusing, to say the least. Now, Tomáš Sýkora, on the other hand, is a completely different story. Frankly, I don't see a reason to have an article on his in the English Wikipedia. If he becomes famous in the English speaking world for some reason (I'm making this up on the fly obviously, but say he never plays in the NHL but he ends up tearing up Czech Extraliga and receives a lot of notice from The Hockey News and other news media...) then I could see having an article for him, and that article would probably still use Tomáš Sýkora (I think that a real transliteration would be more likely in that sort of case, but whatever).
 * TL;DR, I know, but you seem interested in my perspective on this so I thought that I'd try to explain. I was recently talking about this issue elsewhere too, so maybe some of the other folks that I was talking with will be interested in reading this as well. Regards, — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 19:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for further explanation. I disagree of course, I consider that for real living people BLP always comes first. Thank you for links to explanation to archiving Talk page - actioned. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:49, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

xyr
I saw your comments on the use of xr and xyr as gender-neutral third person on ANI. Can I just say, "ME, TOO!" Talk about a pretentious fad that's best gone the way of the dodo. --Drmargi (talk) 13:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, the whole gender/language/political correctness thing is just weird to me. "Pretentious" fits, too. Oh well, what more can we do, right? I'd run around changing them all to real words, but... yea, that ain't happening! lol — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 19:28, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The entertaining part is the PC-ite in this instance couldn't get the PC-speak right. xyr?  (I wish I had one of those infernal yellow faces with the eyes rolling right about now.)  --Drmargi (talk) 06:59, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the cleanup. I still don't know if any word in the article is true (is it really "famous for religious people and playing volley-ball and cricket"? Is "no more nazim" vandalism or a statement of fact?) but it certainly looks better. I'm never sure what to do with articles like that. If I start removing content that's not backed by a reference, I end up with practically nothing on the page, and someone will just come along revert it all back in. 28bytes (talk) 02:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Your welcome, and... me either. I want to do (a lot) more cleanup on that article, but I have real work to get done first. Gotta have priorities, you know? I just couldn't leave that stuff on the bottom to just sit there. { — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 03:08, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Mail
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 * Answered. { — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 03:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it. Looks good. I've sent a reply=D.Smallman12q (talk) 11:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

WT:BLP
FMI, who do you have in mind by "diacritic extremists", can you point to a recent edit by a User you'd consider extreme? Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:45, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The sentence "For most folk worldwide (who have never heard of the New Jersey Devils) this BLP, if notable in an encyclopedia, is notable more for Olympic appearances for the Czech national team." is just insane (in all fairness, I think that you're a tennis fan, and not at all a hockey fan [obviously, based on this comment], so it's not that big of a deal).
 * It's not "insane" it's just "not being North American" (which may be the same thing, it's open to debate), for most people in the world ice-hockey is an exotic oddity which only makes TV screens once every four years at the Winter Olympics, wheras tennis is played two or three times a year. I'd be surprised if more than 3% of the world's population have heard of the New Jersey Devils, wheras probably 15% have heard of Selena Williams.
 * I'd still like to know who you mean by "extremist" In ictu oculi (talk) 13:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * All due respect, but you've got to be kidding me (and, incidentally, I do respect you... I think that you're just talking about something which you're not familiar with here, and you're obviously trying to score points...). I've got an instant messenger list full of people who live in various places in Europe, and some of them watch more games than I do! As for the 3% vs. 15% thing: you know? Look, I'm not a tennis fan, and you're not a hockey fan, so why don't we just set aside the judgements about each others favorite sports, OK? { — V = IR  (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 16:53, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

u1 deletions
Hi. Is there a list somewhere of all the pages? We can delete them in bulk instead of tagging each one. Rjd0060 (talk) 20:25, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, that would be great! There's Category:Ohms Law Bot cleanup, which contains all of the pages. That cat page can go as well. Thanks! — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 20:30, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I started a while ago - script is still running. Won't be much longer. Rjd0060 (talk) 20:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Much appreciated. I've asked about getting this done twice before (and then forgotten about it), but I guess that I just didn't ask the right person. hehe
 * Not that it was a huge deal. It's nice to finally have the mess that I made a while back cleaned up, though (and I so hate having to ask others to clean up my crap... grrrr). { — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 20:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. No problem. I have not deleted the category page as some of the pages contain over 5,000 revisions so a Steward must perform the deletions.  You might want to poke MBisanz for that. - Rjd0060 (talk) 20:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, and thanks again. { — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 20:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Biographies of living persons
Feel free to duplicate this invite on the pages of others who have commented, for or against. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thehelpfulbot
Hi! Thanks for your message, the bot runs every 15 minutes on a crontab, but it looks at the pages in the missing reflist category, instead of last edited of the page itself, I could bump this up to every 30 minutes so users are less likely to experience edit conflicts? The Helpful  One  21:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good compromise to me (I don't think that telling you to rewrite your software is reasonable, really). Thanks for listening! — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs)

Cliffnotes of my struggle against Equaczion
He and I have had some edit warring and disagreements in the past. He is proposing that I am topic banned for 4 separate reasons: spi, coi, bias, and false flag. I have immediately enacted "damage control" (no editing to the article or its talk page--to prove I'm not an imminent harm to Wikipedia or its pages) until our dispute is over, or until it is moved to WP:COI. Also, admin Lihaas stated:


 * "While the user in question certainly has some doubt, Equazcion comments on the talk page of the said reaction to OWS in regards to the removal of the passage is not at all conducive to discussion or constructive either to the issue of the moreval and the comntent. The NPA there of accusing someones stance was exactly what was questioned when the original complainant asked the same question. There is then a followup by the said user which is irrelevant and yet another user who makes a statement that is irrelevant to CONTENT discussions. This is clearly distracting to get consensus on the passage brought for questioning. This would also be more appropriate to the COI boadLihaas (talk) 22:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)"

I am very apologetic and regretful for my shameful behavior today. I wish I could take it all back, but I'm an active editor since September 2011 and have 3 barn stars, zero warnings, zero blocks, just a really-really bad day and I can't undo my mistakes. :( 완젬스 (talk) 00:16, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

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BLPs
So, where do you personally want to draw the line? Are you okay with French and Germans having their names spelled correctly? Or isn't this the diagonal? Btw. I still would like to know if I am counted among the "extremists" you mentioned. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:25, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I was going to talk to Fyunck and saw your "So, I'm just gonna say "fuck them", and simply ignore the whole thing." comment. That shouldn't preclude answering the above question. Are you in favour of Economist MOS (French, German, Spanish, Portuguese only) or no foreign names at all? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Knights of Equity
Just a note, some users have found sources and are discussing them at the above AfD you created. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea... and I've replied there as well. { Did you have a question about it, or something? — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 20:53, 25 April 2012 (UTC)