User talk:Okkar

Military of Myanmar
Thank you for your contributions to this article. It is frowned upon, however, to remove the text or photographs of articles without discussion why you are doing so. I am reverting some of the changes you've made. Chris 20:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Metros232 23:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I see that you have reverted even after Metros' warning. Following Wikipedia protocol, I am leaving a warning about WP:3RR on your talk page. This has gone on long enough. At your next unagreed upon deletion of material from Military of Myanmar, I will be reporting you for violation of the three revert rule.


 * So that this stops, I invite you to post your wishes at WikiProject Burma/Myanmar, if other members agree, your edits can stay. Chris 23:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have added WikiPedia noncompliant and POVchecks for the article since that is the only way to ensure no politically motivated unrelated information are added to the article. I have also posted to WikiProject Burma/Myanmar for further request.  Again I would like to point out that, we as contributors to Wikipedia must be neutral according to WP:NPOV.Okkar 00:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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Mediation for naming of Wikiproject Burma/Myanmar
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Wikipedia:WikiProject Burma/Myanmar, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. --Hintha 06:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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Chatroom
Is the chatroom you directed me to affiliated to the national government? It has the standard bearings of typical Burmese state-owned media, stating the following: - **************************************************************** - *           Welcome to Myanmar Online IRC Network              * - *          -              *  - *                 http://www.myanmaronline.org                 * - *                                                             *  - * Our Three Main National causes:                              * - * + Non-disintegration of the Union - Our casue               * - * + Non-disintegration of national solidarity  - Our cause    * - * + Perpetuation of national sovereignty - Our casue          * - *                                                             *  - * Our Four political objectives                                * - * + Stability of the State, community peace and tranquillity, * - *   prevalence of law and order. * - *  + National reconsolidation                                  * - * + Emergence of a new enduring State Constitution            * - * + Building of a new modern developed nation in accord with  * - *   the new State Constitution                                * - *                                                             *  - * Our People Desires                                           * - * + Oppose those relying on external elements,                * - *   acting as stooges, holding negative views. * - *  + Oppose those trying to jeopardize stability of the State  * - *   and progress of the nation. * - *  + Oppose foreign nations interfering in internal affairs    * - *   of the State. * - *  + Crush all the internal and external distructive elements  * - *   as the common enemies. *

And I can't seem to go in the ygnchat; it merely takes me back to the statements above. --Hintha 01:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It is in no way affiliated to the government, however, in order not get blocked, we have to attached the MOTD as instructed. You have to register a nick name before you can join.  This network has been around since 2003 and has been used by all internet users in Myanmar as this is their only way out when gtalk, Yahoo and MSN are banned.  btw, you are welcome to Myanmar Online (initially it was called Burmese Online and had to rename it due to the blocking).

Okkar 01:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed your POV check and NPOV tags from the discussion page, because those tags are for articles and not discussions, where you are supposed to voice your opinions. If you would like, you can add those tags to the main page. --Hintha 03:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I added it there because it shows the political orientation of the project coordinators and the discussion thread as whole, and it is important for anyone who is carry out checks to make the assestment based upon these discussion. It is very relevant. Okkar 04:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I find it extremely insulting that you would claim that I, along with the other respectable members of the Wikiproject, have political agendas. I have repeatedly reverted countless edits by anonymous users/vandals who change the capital from Naypyidaw to Yangon on the Myanmar article, until I was able to appease them by adding a note indicating some governments do not recognise the new capital. In addition, I have repeatedly opposed Myanmar article "moves" to Myanmar, arguing here (dated over one month ago), for instance, against the name change to Burma (check my user contributions to see all of the reverts I have had to do). Recently, there has been a surge of anonymous users adding POV material about Thandar Shwe on Than Shwe's article, but I, acting in good faith, removed them all. You should actually look at my user contributions. If the name of the country article were "Burma/Myanmar", I would clearly understand why you would have such objections, but it isn't. Purely political motivations are not the only reasons why "Burma" is still used. --Hintha 09:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If there was no political agenda, why is it necessary for you to even "appease" the demands of the oppositions? we supposed to contribute the contents that are fair, netural, impartial and verifiable, not accomodating the poltical blackmails in the form of vandalism. Every controversial articles on Wikipedia have problems with vandalism and but adding contents simply to "appease" vandals isnt the way to resolve the issue.  Further more, if the name of country article is simple "Myanmar", why would you still insists upon having the project name as "Burma/Myanmar", not only that it doesnt make sense, it is counterproductive in the sense of adding confusion over already complicated matters.  The bottom line is .. "is the country name Burma or Myanmar", it's one or the other, not both.  Even the scope of Wikiproject contradicts the project name as I have already pointed that out in the other thread.  Needless to mention the fact that our country's project is the only project with "two" names in Wiki Country Project.  While you are "appeasing" people with political agendas, we as a country paying the price for it.  Please try to look things from a wider perspective, this isnt just a simple WikiProject, it is "our country's" wikiproject, have a little pride! Okkar 09:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Than Shwe
Thanks for your edit. You sparked me to make a minor copy-edit to the article, just trying to make it flow better. I don't think I changed your emphasis at all -- seemed fine to me -- but please check! And rew D alby 12:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's fine mate, I was rushing through it and i guess i left out some really odd sentences :-) Okkar 14:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Myanmar Wide Web
I moved your discussion to the article itself-that is the place to put it, as more people than just the Project would be interested to know that. Actually, the best way to get the article deleted or improved would be to put it up for Articles for deletion, then someone will verify and you can get the whole of Wikipedia to check it. Chris 16:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I learn something new today :-) Okkar 16:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Removing honorifics
Please remove honorifics from the following articles (per Manual of Style conventions): Thank you. --Hintha 04:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Aung San Thuriya Saw Bayi
 * Aung San Thuriya Hla Aung
 * Aung San Thuriya Aye Cho
 * Aung San Thuriya Taik Chun

Re Request for help
Hi, sorry its taken me a couple of days to get back to you.

First of all, don't worry about the suspected sock puppet report. That page has a backlog to almost the point of collapse. I just don't see it getting anywhere and I wouldn't worry.

I see now that the formal mediation has been accepted. Though it tends to take a couple of weeks, hopefully that should solve things. --Robdurbar 10:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia the mouth piece of NCGUB? (Military of Myanmar)
Why was it necessary for you to remove Military of Myanmar from Myanmar category? was it not represent the country's armed forces or was it because you think it would offend those parties that you are associated with? What are you trying to prove? that Wikiproject Burma/Myanmar only paddle articles that are sanctioned and blessed by NCGUB? is that what you are trying to show? I thought you said you found it insulting to have been accused of having political agendas, but it seems your actions betrayed your words entirely. How can you be free of political motivation and agendas, when you deliberately removed Military of Myanmar out of Myanmar category? It just goes to show how you and your friends are exploiting Wikipedia as a mouthpiece of NCGUB to paddle their political stance towards the country. Okkar 17:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't aggressively accuse others of being biased without prior knowledge. If you actually took a look at Category:Myanmar, you would find that there are very few articles that exist in that category, because more specific categories have been created, which in the case of "Military of Myanmar" is the category of that same name. For this same reason, articles like "Economy of Myanmar", "Culture of Myanmar", "History of Myanmar", "Politics of Myanmar", "Communication in Myanmar", "Education in Myanmar", just to name a few, appear only in those specific categories and not the general "Myanmar" category, which is mainly for uncategorised articles and the "Myanmar" article. Next time, before you accuse me of trying to "paddle articles that [have been] sanctioned and blessed by NCGUB", you should see how Wikipedia categories work and check out other country cats (e.g. Category:Singapore, Category:Australia) just to name a few). And don't warn me for vandalism without providing a more reasonable explanation. (This is a response to the following 3 posts: 1, 2, 3) --Hintha 23:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Removed rank titles
I have taken the liberty of removing the military rank titles from the article names of the following: As per Manual of Style conventions, Wikipedia articles leave out honorifics and titles from article titles (for example, check out Category:Chinese military personnel, in which no articles contain "Private", "General", etc.) If you are ever unsure of something, just refer to that excellent resource. --Hintha 23:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hla Thaung
 * Aye Cho
 * Taik Chun

Zarni AfD
Hi there! I've completed the deletion nomination for this article - you can see it here. It's probably a good idea for you to edit the discussion and explain why you think the article should be deleted. Tevildo 21:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Images
I noticed you tagged a lot of images such as Image:Mm-northern-rmc.jpg as pd-self. What program have you been using to create these? Metros232 21:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Adobe Illustrator.. want to see my artwork in original form to prove that this is my work? Okkar 01:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Myanmar Armed Forces
Maybe the reason some users don't reply to what you say is because they're afraid of being accused of having political leanings, and being aggressively attacked for what they think. I support splitting up the articles as long as summaries are left in the main article. But, I suggest the article be moved back to "Military of Myanmar", to keep it standardized (like other country-military articles, which are named "Military of ...", while redirects link back to those articles. --Hintha 08:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It is neither aggressive nor to be consider as attacks, when you stand up and make a point. If they have done nothing wrong, why would they be afraid of speaking up for what they believed in? I thought democracy promote the freedom of speech?? As for moving the article, I did not move the article but it seems appropiate to have moved, as other countries, such as Britain have it as "British Armed Forces".  We should try to be consistent. Okkar 09:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

What vandalism is
Please read WP:VANDAL to find out what vandalism really is. Vandalism is not defined as "other users interesting information you disagree with" as seems to be your definition per your reverts of. That's not vandalism, that's a content dispute. Please try to engage in conversation on talk pages rather than reverting each other constantly. Metros232 16:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Kusma (討論) 16:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation
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Tin Tun
I have referenced and sourced all that is in the article-the reference section at the bottom has been there since the article was created, those are the sources-everything in there is verified. Chris 20:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Myanmar
Please see Talk:Myanmar. --Hintha 01:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

consultation
Okkar hello. I'm contacting you and some other members of wikipedia for a personal reason. I'm an Italian National about to leave for Myanmar. I've already been in the Golden Land managing business for a private italian company some years ago. This time I'd like to make a life experience there, stay longer and find a job. Mission impossible? It would be helpful and interesting to exchange some opinion with you and have a clearer vision of what I will find. PS. If possible answer to my email address ik4fmy@yahoo.it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Clape (talk • contribs) 14:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

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Re: Deleting images from Myanmar_Armed_Forces article
Please see that the images were deleted and are on the article as red links, as such they are of no use anymore. Thanks, feydey 21:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Accusatory remarks
Okkar, before you go around accusing yet another Wikipedia user of vandalism, please check to see whether the edits were made in good faith (Assume good faith). Feydey was only cleaning up the article (rv - no reasons were giving for removing the images - vandalism??), because two of the images had been deleted for not having been properly sourced. Hence, they were not there, and as you see, those two images are missing now, because an administrator had deleted them. Thank you. --Hintha 22:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you? remark police? I made the point for not leaving proper reasoning! If he had left the reasons with his delete, I would not have to make any remarks! please stop sucking up to foriegners! you are only emberassing yourself. Okkar 08:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * When you make undiscussed, repeated edits against the way the project itself is set up, that is vandalism, and saying so is not a personal attack. If you want to change the way the membership list is set up, discuss it first. I will continue to revert your changes until you do. Chris 19:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Violations of WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, and WP:NPA
As a member of the Wikipedia community, you have agreed to follow the guidelines and policies here. The following comment by you is a violation of several of these policies:

''Finally, the common sense has prevailed and triumphed over destructive mindset of opposition groups and their minions who are using this project as a political propaganda tool. It is a victory over those who seek out to degrade our country by insisting to use the old colonial name of the country as the name of the project and the axe handles who colluded with foreigners with mob mentality to remove anyone who don’t support or share their politically biased views from this project by any means necessary, even if it means they have to cheat or lied.''

If you are not willing to follow Wikipedia's rules, please stop editing. If you want to continue to edit, you must stop attacking other editors and focus on improving the content of articles. -- John Broughton (☎☎) 19:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Please cite exactly which part of my comments broke these policies instead of wholesale asscusation of the violation, point by point - if you dont mind. I followed Wikipedia's rules and stated the obivious, I have not made personal attack to any particular person by name - WP:NPA is out of the question here, as for WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL, neither applies to my comments since it was not an uncivilised comments although it may have been a rather brute assestment of the reality.   so if you truly believed that I have broken these policies, please educate me where and how precisely. Okkar 22:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Personal attacks are defined by Wikipedia as attacks on a person's character. In your comments above, you label people as "minions" and make assumptions about their motives. In other discussions, you have personally attacked Hintha by saying she is "sucking up to foreigners." If you confine yourself to criticism of contributions to Wikipedia, rather than contributors to Wikipedia, you would make a large step towards meeting the Wikipedia standards of civility. SimonBillenness 14:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * This may be your view simply, doesnt necessarily mean it is the truth. "Sucking up to foreigners" doesnt mean it is a personal attack - only people who are insecure about themselves would consider that. I have made more contribution than most people, especially my contributions are factual and correct. Okkar 14:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to take your response as agreement that you are, like other editors, required to follow Wikipedia rules. And I agree that specifics are important here.

Let's start with WP:AGF, which states ''There will be people on Wikipedia with whom you disagree. Even if they're wrong, that doesn't mean they're trying to wreck the project. There will be some people with whom you find it hard to work. That doesn't mean they're trying to wreck the project either.''
 * Assume good faith

Contrast that with your words:
 * destructive mindset of opposition groups
 * using this project as a political propaganda tool
 * those who seek out to degrade our country
 * colluded with foreigners
 * politically biased views
 * by any means necessary, even if it means they have to cheat or lied.

All of those involve assumptions by you about the intentions of others; all of those assumptions are negative, and therefore lacking in good faith.

You said, regarding your comment, it may have been a rather brute assestment of the reality. But the nutshell portion of WP:CIVIL includes the following: be careful to avoid offending people unintentionally. It's clear that your remarks have offended other people; I'm assuming that was unintentional on your part, since intentionally offending people, is, of course, totally inappropriate.
 * Civility

In addition, the policy says incivility is roughly defined as personally targeted behavior that causes an atmosphere of greater conflict and stress. The "personally targeted" means "targeted at other editors", as opposed to a discussion of content. I would hope it is clear from the comments of other editors that there indeed is greater conflict and stress here than would be the case if you had simply said something like "I'm glad the arbitration is over, I'm happy with the results; I hope we can all work together to make a better encyclopedia."

WP:NPA says This page in a nutshell: Comment on content, not on the contributor. I see very little, if anything, in the comment at the top of the section, which you made, that comments on content; rather, you are discussing contributors. (Negative) comments about the behavior of other contributors, except when that the behavior is believed to have not followed Wikipedia policy or guidelines, does not help improve articles; and it does not encourage others to work cooperatively (or even to remain as contributors at all).
 * No personal attacks

I also want to discuss your comment that I have not made personal attack to any particular person by name. This seems to say that you believe that personal attacks against a group of editors, not specified by name, is acceptable. Is that what you're saying? I want to be clear here that you're saying that your words were attacks, but that you believe that WP:NPA doesn't apply because you didn't mention anyone by name. (I don't agree with that position, but rather than explain why, I'd like you to confirm that is your position, and then we can discuss it further.) -- John Broughton (☎☎) 16:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Suspected sock puppets/Okkar
This case has been closed; while it is clear that the accounts in question, if not sockpuppets, were meatpuppets of you. Canvassing for others to come to Wikipedia to support your disagreements is absolutely not allowed. Since they have not edited since their brief contributions to the discussion, however, I am choosing not to place any blocks for now. Be aware, however, that if you continue in this manner, blocks will certainly be appropriate. -- Nataly a 13:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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There's sometimes trouble determining whether some claim is true or useful, particularly when there are few people "on board" who are knowledgeable about the topic. In such a case, it's a good idea to raise objections on a talk page; if one has some reason to believe that the author of what appears to be biased material will not be induced to change it, editors have sometimes taken the step of transferring the text in question to the talk page itself, thus not deleting it entirely. This action should be taken more or less as a last resort, never as a way of punishing people who have written something biased. See also Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ

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Re: Deletion of General San Yu picture`
You deleted the above picture but left no details apart from "incompatible license". Can you please explain exactly which part of the license is incompatible? Okkar 13:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Image:General San Yu.jpg


 * Hello Okkar. The image did not have source or license information. In order to use the photo, Wikipedia needs to know where the image came from, and if its copyright holder allows its use. See Uploading images for more. Where did you get the image? That would be a good start. Feel free to ask me further questions. --Fang Aili talk 14:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Dear Fang, The photo came from the archive of "Defence Services Historical Records" archives and these archives are maintained by Defense Service Museum in Yangon, Myanmar. The copy right holder of the image is Defense Service Museum and I can furnish you with authorisation letter of the commanding officer from Defense Service Museum allowing me to use the image for wikipedia.  Please provide me with your postal address and I would be happy to send you the original authorisation letter for your persual. By the way...  It would have been nice if you'd ask the questions before you delete the image though... Okkar 17:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately Wikipedia cannot accept images that can only be used on Wikipedia, or "for non-commercial use only". (See WP:CSD - Images - criteria #3.) About asking questions--we get literally hundreds of image uploads every day, and it would be impractical to personally ask about every one of them. I know it's not a perfect system, but the admins here try to keep up the best we can. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 19:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Re. Flag of Myanmar (2006 proposal)
The fact that the proposed flag has not been adopted does not mean that is it unworthy of mention. See Flag of Iraq and Flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina for examples of flags that were not adopted but still included in the articles. Kelvinc 00:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, If we have to include every single proposed and unadopted flags, we would have over 200 flags. Please let me know if you think we should start including all the proposed flags since 1948 independance?  There have been over 200 flags which were never adopted. Okkar 09:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * My feeling is that we can have it there as long as it's under proposal and it can be deleted if the formal constitutional process rejects it. This is not merely some guy in a basement posting an idea on the Internet.  This is the formal opinion of the committee of the current constitutional convention that has been tasked to look into this matter, a convention organized by the current government, so it stands a good chance of being accepted.  I'd rank this proposal higher in official attention than the Australian flag debate (which never reached the point of a proposal to be considered by the government) and closer to the Great Flag Debate.  Kelvinc 09:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am not in anyway disputing the fact, I just dont want to start a feeding frenzy to those politically motivated editors, who are itching to include flags of NLD and 1001 other flags of opposition groups. If we started including unofficial flags, granted that it has been proposed but not yet formally adopted, then we would open the flood gate to these vandals are who are rubbing their paws to include their party's flags.  I hope you understand my point.  Okkar 10:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Okkar, I would caution you yet again against attacking other editors by labeling them as "politically motivated." Please keep discussion and debate confined to the contribution, not the contributor.


 * In any case, I believe that you have your facts wrong. After you removed the NLD flag in the Myanmar article, I simply replaced it since the NLD was noted in the article. It was you who then started adding flags of other groups despite their lack of relevance to the article. I don't know of any other editor, other than you, who has recently tried to include other party's flags.SimonBillenness 17:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I included all the flags that are relevant to the article, seeing as NLD flags was included, i see no reasons why we should discriminate against other opposition groups. For example, Burmese Communists Party flag has as much relevance in Myanmar history as NLD flag.  After all, we cant have one rule for NLD, and one rule for the  rest just to suit your political "leanings".  If you wish to include NLD flag in Myanmar article simply to fufil your organisation's committment for lobbying on behalf of NLD, you have to expect that people would begin to question your motives.  That said, it is no longer the case of focusing on "contribution" alone, because the said "contribution" was made with motives other than simple "contribution" to Wikipedia.


 * It is not attacking to "suggest" that some of the edits made by particular editors are politically motivated. For example, you are the director of "US Campaign for Burma", how does one ensure that your contributions are not biased towards opposition groups, particularly NLD and NCGUB, both of which are heavily lobbied by "US Campaign for Burma" and you just happens to be the Director of this group.  I kept the discussions and debates strictly confined to the contribution, however the contribution in question just happens to be "policatlly motiviated", therefore it is not attacking nor accusing anyone in particular for questioning their political motivation.  Secondly, it is hard for anyone to assume "good faith" when they come acorss articles that are writing in such a way to support lobbying of particular political party or opposition groups, one cant help but wondering if Wikipedia is being used as a lobbying platform?  Your affliation and the position you hold in these lobby groups does raise questions about your motives.  Surely you must realise that what you are doing is entirely contradictory to what Wikipedia stands for, not to mention breaching a number of it's core policies. Okkar 21:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Okkar, your claims that the flag proposal would serve as a Trojan Horse to include other flags is not borne out by the facts: the Flag of Myanmar article has been around for three years and the only edit that I think you would possibly consider as "politically motivated" is the addition of a line stating the use of the old five-star flag by the NCGUB. And that's not even adding a new flag, but stating a contemporary use of a flag that was indeed the de facto flag of the country for decades.  If there are as many politically biased editors as you claim, flags for the NLD and other opposition groups would've appeared on that article ages ago, and that simply isn't the case.


 * Based on the history of the article, I just don't see how adding the flag proposal would create some sort of edit war. I'm restoring the proposed flag.  If you feel otherwise, you can delete it and I'll take it up with the WikiProject for consensus, or better yet leave it and take it up with the WikiProject. Kelvinc 22:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, in order to save the edit war, i think it would be best to take this up with WikiProject and ask for mediation. Please let me know if you are agreement and I shall request for the mediation. As for the politically biased editors, perhaps you should take a good look around in WikiProject Myanmar/Burma, you will no doubt realise how biased it gets.  I suggest you start with Myanmar article to see how these politically motivated editors are using Wikipedia for lobbying purpose. If not, why else do you think the Director of "US Campaign for Burma" lobby group is extremely vocal about having NLD flag in Myanmar article? I hope you understand where I am coming from, as a native myanmar, I am sick and tired of seeing people exploiting "facts" about our country to serve political purposes through Wikipedia.  Okkar 22:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, let's just cool our heels for a while and let this one go for now. This article really hasn't been an ideological battleground, the way that other Myanmar-related articles may have become.  Take a look at the history for the flag of the Republic of China article: now that is controversial.  We're nowhere near that situation.  If we start seeing edits to include proposed flags by bodies other than the SPDC-recognized or NCGUB-recognized institutions, then we'd be having a problem on our hands.  However, right now in the article there are only the two de facto flags used in Myanmar since 1948, and a recent proposed flag that stands a good chance of adoption.  That's pretty NPOV.


 * And if something does come up, let's just chat in the WikiProject first: we don't have to get all official and mediate everything. Kelvinc 02:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Okkar, I have made it abundantly clear on several occasions that it is perfectly reasonable to include the flag/emblem of a political party cited in an article.


 * Once again, you attack me by suggesting bias on my part. Please quit the constant and tiresome innuendo and provide edits of mine that exhibit bias. I'd be surprised if you find any. You are attacking people personally if you provide no evidence of biased editing.


 * I keep my politics separate from my Wikipedia editing. I would suggest that you do the same. Your comments above do, I believe, constitute a personal attack on me and so I will report them. Your abuse of Wikipedia standards needs to stop. SimonBillenness 04:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The edit of your that exhibit bias is your insistance to include NLD flag in Myanmar article, where no other country have included flags of political party, it is plain to see what you were trying to achieve even though you use various pretext to cover the facts. Please do not threaten me with reporting to Wikipedia authority.  If you feel the need, please do so and I shall be ready to defend myself with "facts" and i would be more than happy to expose how you have been using Wikipedia as a lobbying platform. Please remember Wikipedia is not owned by "US Campaign for Burma" Okkar 08:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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 * OKKAR if you are ignorant or blinded with racism and try to vandalize without searching for the truth is your problem. I had seen your uncalled for behaviour with the quarrel with other Wiki editors. If you are the true Okkar writting notoriously in Burmese mainstream media, you could be even guilty with the crimes of Genocide at ICC.Darz kkg 01:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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[] Approved and proposed for signature and ratification or accession by General Assembly resolution 260 A (III) of 9 December 1948 entry into force 12 January 1951, in accordance with article XIII

Article 1 The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article 3

The following acts shall be punishable: (a) Genocide; (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide; (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; (d ) Attempt to commit genocide; (e) Complicity in genocide.

Article 4 Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.

Article 9

Disputes between the Contracting Parties relating to the interpretation, application or fulfilment of the present Convention, including those relating to the responsibility of a State for genocide or for any of the other acts enumerated in article III, shall be submitted to the International Court of Justice at the request of any of the parties to the dispute.

Eight Stages of Genocide []

'''Stage 2. Symbolization.'''

Characteristics = "When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups..." NLD, Opposition, Rebels, Ethnic Minorities as Non Barmans, Muslims, Christians, Chinese, even Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and Kha Maut is symbolized for hatred and annihilation.

Stage 4. Organization Characteristics = Organization "Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, though sometimes informally. Special army units or militias are often trained and armed..." or by terrorist groups. Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings.

Stage 5. Polarization "Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda..." SPDC’s bill boards around the country, SPDC various media, pamphlets speeches are full with this hate propaganda. Extremists drive the groups apart. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center

Stage 6.

Identification "Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity..." This is very obvious with the SPDC, even no need to elaborate further. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. They are often segregated into ghettoes, forced into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. "At this stage, a Genocide Alert must be called...

“Journalists like Okkar, who supported the Myanmar Military leaders with their writtings joining the propaganda warfare to discriminate, to do ethnic cleansing are also guilty and punishable at ICC. Be careful Okkar.

Rohingya
Hello, I noticed that you removed the Rohingya from the List of ethnic groups in Myanmar. If they are an ethnic group in Myanmar (even if not recognized by the government there), I'm curious why you would do that? We do include unrecognized ethnic groups for China and other countries as well, in the articles about the ethnic groups in those nations. Badagnani 23:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Rohingya ethnicity in Myanmar is currently disputed and therefore we cannot include in Wikipedia in order to stop refering as "Wikipedia recognised Rohingya as ethnic group in Myanmar". Okkar 06:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Your answer is so vague as to be suspicious to me. Disputed by whom? How can an ethnic group be disputed? Either they live in Myanmar or they don't. You'll need to be more specific about this. There is a Wikipedia article about this ethnic group. A Web search shows this page: http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA160052004 where the group Amnesty International discusses the situation of this ethnic group. Did this major international human rights group develop a campaign to provide assistance an ethnic group that doesn't exist? You'll have to explain yourself in a more thorough fashion. Badagnani 08:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I will not be drawn into any political debate here. I am simply following Wikipedia NPOV policy guidelines.  I have already made it clear to you that it is not acceptable to use wikipedia to push particular POV, in this case legitimisation of rohingya as ethnic group in Myanmar.  The ethnic grouping of Rohingya has been disputed by successive governments in Burma since the day of it's independance.  Both democractic and military governments of Burma does not recognise Rohingya as genuine ethnic group of Burma.  There has been claims and counter claims from both sides, for example: burmese government claimed that they are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh arrived by crossing the pourous border in Arakhan region, Rohingyas claimed that they are the true natives of Arakan and descendant of arab sailors who visited that region in ancient times.  However, there have been no historical evidence to support their claims, as a result the authenticity of Rohingya as minority ethnic group in Burma is seriously contested by successive government of Burma, be it Democractic or Military, as well as the native Rakhine people (recognised ethnic group) of Arakhan state.  So you see it is a highly volitile issue and as long as this dispute exists, it would be factually wrong to include Rohnigya as List of ethnic groups in Myanmar because it could be seen as Wikipedia's endorsement to Rohingyas claims, which ofcourse is entirely againt unbias policy of Wikipedia.  Such inclusion would lead to quoting by many reference articles and reports as "Wikipedia recognised Rohingya as ethnic group in Burma" or "Wikipedia's list of ethnic groups in Myanmar listed Rohingya as legitimate ethnic group".  This could potray Wikipedia as though Wikipedia is supporting particular POV claims and being bias.  You have been with Wikipedia to know what Wikipedia stands for and that POV pushing is against it's policy.
 * Thank you for citing Amnesty International web page, however, I would like to counter cite What Wikipedia is NOT page so that you can understand unbias and neutral policy of Wikipedia.  As I have stated before, regardless of whatever human rights dispute that rohingyas have with burmese government, we cannot allow the use of Wikipedia as a spring borad to support their claims, use it as a reference for raising awareness or any other politically motivated activities.  I hope you understand.  You should not be suspicious about everyone who is acting out in good faith unless you can prove otherwise.  Any further such suggestion can and will be interpreted as personal attacks.  Okkar 11:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

What is the political debate you are referring to? If there is any political attack going on here, it is your implication that I am trying to draw you into one. We operate by facts here, so there is no need for any kind of defensive reply. As with the Undistinguished ethnic groups in China article, we make clear that the People's Republic of China government has a list of 56 ethnic groups, but that other ethnic groups exist (differentiated by language and self-definition); some are subsumed into one of the other 56 and others are ignored altogether. Yet we do mention them. It seems that the same may be the case in Myanmar. My further research shows that the Rohingya are claimed by the government of Myanmar to be essentially Muslim Bengalis from India who have been squatting in northern Myanmar for a period of 100+ years. If that is the case (as seems verifiable from the Myanmar government's publicly stated position on the matter, then we must mention that. It's either an ethnic group in Myanmar or it isn't (keep in mind that the article is "List of ethnic groups in Myanmar, which includes "illegal" or "foreign" groups--as for example we do for other countries--the ethnic groups in Thailand includes several minority groups that came as refugees, sometimes decades ago, yet are long-time residents, and thus considered ethnic groups in Thailand), and if a major international organization such as Amnesty International states that it is a distinct ethnic group then I would doubt they would make a mistake in providing assistance to an ethnic group that does not exist.  Let's not purge articles of verifiable content, for whatever reason.  If there's a controversy, then let's state there's a controversy rather than wiping the article clean of all mention of this ethnic group. Badagnani 18:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe you seems to be confusing the policy of Amensty International and Wikipedia here. Amnesty International is a human right organisation, as such it is their mandate to represent those who feel that their human rights have been violated.  Wikipedia on the other hand is an online encyclopedia, people refer to the information present in Wikipedia as fact.  Therefore it is important for us, contributors to ensure that Wikipedia maintain it's unbias and neutral policy.  Thus said, it cannot be seen supporting one side of the arguement over the others.  Just because Amnesty International is representing Rohingya cause (I am not saying Amnesty made a mistake), that doesn't mean Wikipedia have to support the claims and include them in articles that are inappropiate.  Amnesty International's decisions should not have any influences on Wikipedia's unbias policy just as no other country's government has any influences on what wikipedia publishes in it's article.  Thats what makes Wikipedia what it is today and that is main focus here. We must not forget what wikipedia stands for.  If we have to write every articles according to Amnesty International's representation then 80% of country articles currently on Wikipedia will have to include bias and POV facts, starting from United States.  This would negate the whole existance of Wikipedia as unbias encyclopedia.  We must not confuse between "online encyclopedia" and "human rights" organisation.  There is a clear distinction between the two.


 * As for your second argument regard rohingya being in burma for over +100 years, therefore they can be consider as distinctive ethic group, then the same could be said about african who were settled in UK as distinctive ethnic group, however, we dont have "AngloAfrican" ethnic grouping in United Kingdom now do we nor are we likely to be endorsing one here just because Amnesty International suddenly decided to take up the issue?


 * I am not sure about what is included in Undistinguished ethnic groups in China or ethnic groups in Thailand, that is the issue the relevant project and it's members needs to deal with and also, I am not expert in Thailand or China's history so I will not be commenting or editing them since I could end up making mistakes. However, as far as List of ethnic groups in Myanmar concern, it is part of WikiProject Myanmar/Burma, which I am a member of and I am also a member of WikiProject Neutral, therefore i am going to ensure that articles within the project are strictly in accordance with Wikipedia's unbias policy.  I know it's not a very easy job, but someone has to do it and I am not the type of person who quake when bombarded with political correctness, threatened with ICC for genocide or being branded racist.  I did what I have to do to ensure that articles within the project adhere to Wikipedia policy and I made no exception on that front.  If we dont, theres a danger that information regarding my country in Wikipedia will be tainted with politically bias information to support claims and counter claims from both side.


 * I am not erasing any facts from the article, but simply removing inapproate contents that were included to support for POV pushing. The content in question would be more appropiate to include in the "dispute between Rohingya and Burmese government" section of Rohingya article instead. Including rohingya in List of ethnic groups in Myanmar and turning it into legitimate fact would not only potray Wikipedia as bias medium but also tarnish it's "Encyclopedia" status.  I hope you understand. Okkar 19:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

No, your "explanation" doesn't make sense or even address the issue at hand, and your needless defensiveness about my insistence that factual information not be blanked is quite perplexing. The only reason for citing Amnesty International is because they have an article giving the history of this ethnic group in Myanmar. I don't believe they would be doing this for an ethnic group that doesn't exist. You state that you are "not erasing facts" from the List of ethnic groups in Myanmar article but you did that. Comparable to ethnic groups in China and Thailand who have come to those countries years ago as refugees but who never left, we do include them, even if they are unrecognized by those governments (though we note this in the articles). My further research shows that the Rohingya language is a distinct Indic language further bolsters the fact that this is an ethnic group in Myanmar (though not recognized by the current Myanmar government as citizens of that nation). Regarding your idea of whether there are Africans in the UK, of course there are. The UK colonized Africa and consequently many Africans settled in England and other nations in the British Isles. They are certifiably "African British," a distinct and recognized ethnic group in the UK. But, then, the UK has large numbers of people living there who immigrated from most other parts of the world, unlike Myanmar, which has fewer. So your example was a bad one. Badagnani 21:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * My explanation makes perfect sense - Wikipedia is not a human rights news bulletin, it is an encyclopedia. You have been with Wikipedia long enough to know the difference. My point is plain and simple: dont include bias information as long as there is a dispute and controversy. If you do your research properly, you will find that not just current myanmar government, successive government since the day of independance has never recognise Rohingya as ethnic tribe of Burma and they have severly contested the rohingya claims citing lack of historical information to support that they are actually natives of Burma - that my friend is a fact! As for your example regarding China and Thailand, they are articles from seperate project entirely and it is down to relevant member of the project they belongs to take action, also these tribes have not been severly disputed by any of their government. I have tried to explained to you reasonably, however, you kept citing Amnesty International and insist to include the information in order to support the rohingya's claims. We do not have to support bias claims just because Amnesty does. Wikipedia is not owned by Amnesty International nor will it serve as propaganda platform to legitimise any claims from any groups. This clearly is against Wikipedia policy. Whether my example is good or bad is of little relevance here since it's your POV against mine, but it appears that you seems to be having conflict of interest. For your information, there is no such thing as "British African" in UK, nor any other african recognise as ethnic groups - they are simply recognised as "British". Dont just read Amnesty reports and blindly insist on including certain information to support bias views. If you would like to further dispute then you need to look for independant mediation, otherwise, I will no longer entertain this pointless discussion as you clear does not seem to have any appericiation regarding what Wikipedia stands for and insisting to include bias information to support rohingya cause simply because they are "muslims". I am sorry but we cannot include information that are "bias" in support for the people who share the same religious belief with some of us - Wikipedia is not a religious propaganda website. That would constitue pure POV pushing.  Okkar 02:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * Please read the article's history and remarks for my edits. It is not blanking.  Please stop making up stories. Okkar 09:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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Orphaned non-free image File:Mm-northern-rmc.jpg
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Armored Operations . jpg
Hi, I think there is some difference in your art and the article. the armored reconnaissance battalion is not a part of TOC but is under direct control of the division —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.81.67.182 (talk) 05:19, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I will update it. Okkar (talk) 08:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Mm-dsma2.jpg
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File:Mm-dsma2.jpg
I have put a proper information box in the page for you. By source we do not mean "raw code" - if you created the image from memory, then that's the source, if you copied a book - the book is the source, if you scanned in a page - that's the source, if you took a web picture and tidied it up and maybe recoloured it, or used in in another layer then deleted that layer - then the web page is the source. Hope that makes some sense. So there is now a nice "source=" line for you to complete.  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

May Sweet
If you keep making unsourced POV statements, I will report you. Hybernator (talk) 12:45, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on May Sweet. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * I've reported you to editwarring notice board. I've opened up a talk page. Make your points. Or we can seek dispute resolution. Hybernator (talk) 01:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Something weird about Soewinhan...
OK, I'm in kind of a weird situation here and didn't know exactly what to do, but I noticed you've been commenting in User:Soewinhan's ANI, and this relates to him.

A little bit of backstory: today I've been doing some work with removing/commenting out non-free images outside of article space, per WP:NFCC. Some of the pages I came across was User:Hybernator/test and User:Hybernator/test2, a user I've never before come in contact with. Shortly after (less than an hour later), I got this message on my talk page from Soewinhan, asking me to review Prehistory of Burma. As I've never come in contact with him before and have never edited any articles relating to either Burma or prehistory at all, I was quite confused. At first I thought Soewinhan might have accidentally posted on my talk page instead of someone else's, but as I dug around I happened to come across the ANI... where I discovered mentions of Hybernator.

Now you tell me, what are the odds that this is all just a coincidence? I'm not sure if this proves anything (it's certainly not conclusive evidence that Hybernator and Soewinhan are connected) so I didn't want to post it in the ANI, but... I feel like someone involved should know about it. (EDIT: cross-posted to User talk: The Blade of the Northern Lights) Fletch the Mighty (talk) 17:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not happy with just leaving it, so I've started an SPI - You may wish to elaborate at Sockpuppet_investigations/Hybernator  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you seen User_talk:Soewinhan recently? Seems to have retired.  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes he put up "Retired" message on the same day, the SPI clerk has endorsed CheckUser. Since then User:Hybernator has been active. Okkar (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * And then the checkuser said "No Match" - maybe it was a meatpuppet after all - the clerk match looked like it - maybe a son, it does say he's 17 years old.  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:45, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Quite possible, perhaps a nephew or a student, Burmese people tend to feel the obligation to support relatives and teachers out of respect. Okkar (talk) 03:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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