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Castlevania series template
Hey, I've noticed you trying to moderate the Castlevania series template often and trying to prevent that edit war that just broke out. I was hoping that you would read this and offer your opinion so that hopefully everyone can come to a reasonable agreement. Byakuya Truelight (talk) 07:52, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

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Lapel-less Jackets
So, references number 5, 8, 9, 10 y 13, should also be delete, because are blogs, message board, etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palacesblowlittle (talk • contribs) 22:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, those are websites published and maintained by known style figures, published authors, and fashion experts. More importantly, they are focused, specific references that directly support the exact claim being made, and discuss historical trends. They are not a mosh-mash collection of unconnected elements being used to prove a point based on original interpretations of recent events. Your butcher job editting is petulant and childish. oknazevad (talk) 00:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So, you are inconsistent, especially about "Ghillie collared" jacket (which is not a novelty, a.k.a prussian collar and storm collar, google it!), and the references from "Dress with style" (which clearly say the jacket has no lapel), which is as prestigious as "Ask Andy" and "suitable wardrobe" (which is another reference to this topic, and you keep their references in the others sections). I would accept the statements i made about the V shape lapelless jackets could be classified as original research, therefore i won't insist. I delete the picture of the "origin" section because it is used to try to demonstrate an afirmation of the section that is not sourced (in fact almost all the section is not). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palacesblowlittle (talk • contribs) 01:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to a passing mention of the ghillie/Prussian collar (though isn't that what a Mao suit has?), with a single, focused reference. Leave off the bit about the self-admitted original research, and we're good. As for the image, it's pretty self-obvious that it's a lapel, so per WP:BLUE, I don't think it needs to be removed. (The actual history is covered in the books in the bibliography, so is sourced, even if the reference formatting could be improved. oknazevad (talk) 01:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly the view is very similar to mao suit, but there is a good objection to be considered as such and that is the historical origin, prussian is clearly of European origin, and the Mao suit, well rise as a result of the two Chinese revolutions. Therefore it would be too forced to consider them synonymous. I tried to add a statement like this "the presence of the lapels create the V-shaped effect in the jacket, so that creates the illusion in the viewer of broader shoulders and narrower waist", i couldn't find any expert that claims in a express way, though he suggested in a tangencial one, I think it's because it's a very obvious and no one is interested to highlight. Recentism is not a issue per se, and because i define me as inclusionist i considered to include the item in dispute, as a way to compile all the existing reality, but I'll wait for the theme is mature or at least someone authorized properly analyze the issue. In that case I will indicate it as a simple statement and as you submitted as a focused reference. i do not attempt to angry you, it is clear that this has been in good faith and and aiming at enriching the encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palacesblowlittle (talk • contribs) 16:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * True about the origin of the Mao suit (though it may be influenced by European military fashion), but the article is about the collar and lapels specifically, and a Mao suit has a what's known as a "stand-and-fall" or "turndown" collar, which is the same as a Prussian or ghillie collar. But a short mention of various synonyms would be okay.Likewise referring to the stand/band//choker/Mandarin collar of the Nehru jacket by its various names. After all, all three lapels have multiple names listed. oknazevad (talk) 19:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I slightly modified the name of the section to "lapel-less" to "lapelless" in order to match its Wiktionary entry. Palacesblowlittle —Preceding undated comment added 13:53, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

WEVD
Excuse me, not to sound rude but what does that mean Error of Listening? that is not really a valid reason to revert. Can you please explain your actions. Thank you. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 05:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, TheGoofyGolfer here again, just to let you know I've reverted back your revert and I am asking you to please first add your discussion to the WEPN talk page. I'd like to get a full consenus among Wikipedian first to determine whether the WEGD call letters are legitimately used or not based on that referenced recording. I've already expressed my opinion so that's all to say for right now. Thanks and have a pleasant evening :0) TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 08:10, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, so here we are. I don't feel like fighting this, you think they are saying WEVD then so be it. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 21:52, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not what I hear or what you hear, it's that the FCC documents say, as they are definitive legal documents that clearly state what is correct. So we go with that, not any one person's interpretation of the recording. Especially when only one person is saying that and all other contributors are saying you are incorrect. oknazevad (talk) 23:12, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Olive (color)
There are two things about your edits I just don't get:


 * Removing "dark shade of yellow". Web color olive is 808000 (FFFF00 yellow + FFFFFF black), in web colors, "olive" and "dark yellow" are used interchangeably
 * Removing "avocado" repeatedly. Olive is a range of dark yellows and chartreuses; avocado falls within the range.  I'm not sure if "black olive" falls in that range, but you're more than welcome to add the color  p  b  p  22:51, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

East German mark
Hi, I edited with a script, which seems to have damaged the reflist. Try as I might, I can't seem to find the diff for this damage. I wonder whether you could look into this? At worst, you could simply revert my double edit.

Also, I added both tags. Any idea how the article can be better verified. The WP.de article seems to be both better and worse than this one. Tony  (talk)  05:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing; but there are hardly any footnotes. Why remove that tag? Tony   (talk)  13:33, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The issue was that the script changed "date" to "year" in the template. I would be careful of that as it may break other templates with similar markup.
 * With footnotes its not the number, but the quality of these that render the tag unneeded. The first two references are to standard catalogs, the sort of print general reference that covers most of the material in the entire article. In short, I think that the article is suitably referenced as is. Formatting to footnotes may not be the best, but that's a different tag. oknazevad (talk) 13:42, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

FBI Police
The FBI Police do not work in Chicago or LA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.150.2.29 (talk) 13:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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I noticed you mentioned that the colors that I have been using in the AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint templates are "against style guidelines", even though WP:NAVBOXCOLOR says otherwise. I will not get into a heated edit war about the template colors (since that is against WP:DEW), however, there doesn't seem to be any policy against using official corporate colors in navboxes. ANDROS1337 TALK 22:33, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Two reasons. Firstly is WP:RECENTISM, as these have only been the corporate colors in recent years. Sprint, for example, used to have logo colors of red and black. Secondly because such a use of color seems promotional, which runs counter to our purpose. In that way, I feel thy inappropriate and shouldn't be used. oknazevad (talk) 22:48, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous IP from the Castlevania section keeps reverting edits
He frequently re-edits the Castlevania: Lords of Shadow reception section with "shitty game" and will not relent. Can something be done? This is his IP address:92.13.67.26 Ao Kusanagi (talk) 01:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)Ao Kusanagi If he doesn't relent, than its time to take him to WP:AIV. oknazevad (talk) 01:32, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Stop it.
If you have a map of the South Aral Sea, please provide it. Otherwise knock it off. Purposely using the wrong map is essentially vandalism. — kwami (talk) 22:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No, intentionally reinserting a link to a deleted map, and therefore removing a correct one, is vandalism. The animated map is incredibly relevant, as it shows how the Aral became two seperate lakes, and is in no way the "wrong map". If you don't like the animated map, for whatever reason, do the damn smart thing and use the most recent one from the gallery further down in the article. As it is now, you are making the article worse for no good reason. You knock it off, and don't come to my talk page and act like you have a clue when you clearly don't. oknazevad (talk) 22:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Wings of the Civil War
Thank you, Oknazevad, for fixing my error at Nantucket. Thou thoughtest correctly! User:HopsonRoad 02:02, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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Addition of original research on Turtle
This edit on turtle re-inserts original research into the article. The source that you mention given no verifiability to the contents making no mention language issues such as Australia, America English or British English, or use by vets or scientist that is required. I trust that you'll make amends by either reverting your edit or fix the problem. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 11:42, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If your we're to read the source, instead of jut dismissing it outright as you've tried to do multiple times, despite it clearly being from a reliable source, you would see that it explicitly refers to the scientific use of "chelonians" as a term for turtles, tortoises and terrapins. I question your comprehension on this matter, and will not revert or otherwise alter my edit, as it is properly sourced to reliable sources. oknazevad (talk) 13:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It says nothing about the different language variants. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 14:54, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've move the discussion to Talk:Turtle to encourage wider discussion. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 14:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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Whiskey table
Hi, I'd missed your edits. I'll go ahead and do up the rest of the tables sometime over the weekend and ping you. Any thoughts on wikilinks in the table (what should or shouldn't be linked)? --HighKing (talk) 12:39, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, definitely the brands should be linked, and maybe the owners if applicable. Current guidelines call for not repeating links, but I'm not convinced that it's a good guideline, as on sortable tables it's impossible to say which is the first occurance to link. As a side note, I'd definitely try to thin out some repeats in terms of being a list of brands, not a list of expressions; that is oknazevad (talk) 14:14, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

List of whisky brands
Thanks for your message on my talk page. I have replied there. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:27, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012 TV series)
Hi Oknazevad, you and I have worked together before. :) I'm noticing some resistance at Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012 TV series) on matters pertaining to attribution of facts. I saw your comments at Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012 TV series) where you explained that basic information such as credits is okay to glean from the primary source, i.e., the show itself.  Does this also extend to general, neutral summaries of the episodes?  In the character description for Snakeweed, for example, it's a pretty straight-forward summary of events that surround Snakeweed as we know him thus far.  Do we need a citation if the unbiased description is coming from direct observation of the show?  I mean, Snake DID transform into a plant mutant, Mikey dubbed him "Snakeweed" -- it's all observable and there's no speculation to pollute our understanding of the character.  If no outside party reports on these facts, do they not deserve to be included in the summary of the show? If nobody writes about who the supervising producer was on the new TMNT, should we omit his name or hang a cite needed tag over it forever? Personally I don't think so, but I appreciate your input. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:09, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

over/underlinking
Could you take a look at

The "one link" rule/enforcement has gotten out of hand, I'm trying to get something closer to rationality. You observe the obvious on the link talk page: "I do not believe that we can ever assume that an article is read in its entirety or in a linear fashion." There's draft replacement language at the top of the section, and if it rings about right for you, I'd appreciate it if you could leave a note. Thanks  Boundlessly (talk) 21:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Hypocaustic
If his current edit war continues or escalates (likey, I'm afraid), then please note he has "history":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_25#Passive_smoking.2C_Smoking_ban_in_England

Same technique as he's using now both with you: changing words in the lede, moving pages, endless edit- and move-wars. He's also battling over the lack of an apostrophe in Shakespears Sister at the moment, as can be seen in his recent edits. Cross porpoises (talk) 09:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've noticed. I think it's past time to either take this guy to WP:ANI or open a WP.RFC/U on this guy. His inability to respect consensus he disagrees with is unacceptable. If you want to start a thread at ANI, I'll be there as well arguing he should go. oknazevad (talk) 12:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just a note that he reverted again, after the introduction of the ANI: - eo (talk) 17:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Which I just reverted again. He really has no clue about consensus. oknazevad (talk) 17:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

ARM architecture
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User page
Hey! Thanks for your comment and your kind suggestion on how to use my page and the sandbox. I know they aren't supposed to be used the way I did, but it was part of a school lecture task, therefore I was just following my lecturer's assignment and yes, he wanted us to put our article also there. Cheers!

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I fixed the US-cities-with-teams-from-four-major-sports article again.
Since you decided that the U.S. cities with teams from four major league sports article was going to use the MSA definition of metro area rather than the PSA definition, I fixed it again. Also you reverted my entire edit w/o addressing the other changes I made (which I, being the legitimate WP editor that I am, outlined on the talk page for all editors to see). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.90.216.96 (talk) 02:09, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

The Muppets Discussion
Hello,

There's a discussion currently underway concerning the shortening of names in Template:The Muppets. Since, you were involved in one of the recent previous discussions on the talk page, I'd thought you might want to offer your insight on the matter. The discussion can be found here.

Thanks, ~ Jedi94  ( talk ) 21:16, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

TNA Wrestling colors
Since you reverted the colors of TNA Wrestling, I started a debate on professional wrestling colors in general. Please feel free to join: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#Wrestling_companies_template_boxes_colors.3F

Thanks! Srsrox (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

NJ Transit ridership data
This document of detailed station-by-station ridership numbers was noted on the railfan forums the other day. I'm not terribly involved with NJT articles so I'm not sure if I'll have the motivation to go through station-by-station updating the numbers, but I know you've done some stuff with the articles so I thought you might be interested. If you're not, can you recommend another editor who might be interested?

Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)