User talk:OlEnglish/Archive 9

Vandal page
Is it OK to have a vandal subpage, so vandals don't vandalize Wikipedia, but that page instead? I made one and I want to make sure it's OK. The Utahraptor Talk 15:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I've seen similar such pages by other users and there hasn't been any problem with those, and as far as I know there's nothing in policy that prohibits that, short of maybe WP:DENY. So I guess it's up to the individual user if they want to do that or not. However if someone puts such a page up for MfD I would probably argue for deletion, because I don't think these pages would really make much of a difference in preventing vandalism to your userpage anyway, if a malicious vandal really wanted to vandalize your userpage he would just ignore the subpage and do whatever they want. I doubt they would be swayed by any polite notice asking them to "vandalize this instead". -- &oelig; &trade; 00:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: Many have been MfD'ed... (by me)  m o no   pending changes begin june 15 17:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Where? When? Can you link me to the MfD pages? -- &oelig; &trade; 02:08, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I just thought of something. Would it be alright if I provided a link to my vandal page in my signature instead of my user page? I would think it'd be fine as long as I put a link to my user page in my vandal page. The reason the vandals edit my user page is because it's easily accessed in my signature. So if they were directed to the vandal page, in theory, they wouldn't bother continuing on to my user page. Could I try that? The Utahraptor  Talk 02:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * *Sneaks in* It's late, but here are the vandal spaces that have been put up for deletion (at least, these are the ones that I have participated in):
 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Diligent Terrier/Vandalism
 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Domthedude001/Vandalism
 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:The Thing That Should Not Be/vandalbox
 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:NerdyScienceDude/Vandalism space (2nd nomination)
 * ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 02:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Utahraptor, I think you're missing the point. A malicious userpage vandal is motivated by hurting the user not the page itself. They're very much aware that it's just a subpage and it's meant to distract them away from the actual userpage. They're motivated by vandalizing YOU and less so by some immature subconscious desire to paste their grafitti anywhere and everywhere they can. Making another page accessible for them to vandalize really is just validating their actions. -- &oelig; &trade; 12:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, so how would I nominate it for deletion? The Utahraptor  Talk 19:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You can request to have pages in your own userpace speedy-deleted whenever you want. Just tag it with . -- &oelig; &trade; 19:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The Utahraptor  Talk 19:46, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My pleasure :) &oelig; &trade; 19:50, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:VOA
Why did you change it back to the standard heading? I think that "Other Useful Information/Links" is good because it's other information and links rather than more information sources. 71.94.158.203 (talk) 03:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok whatever. No big deal. -- &oelig; &trade; 03:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Reply to My Question
Just because the author added only one line talking about a high school award doesn't mean he added enough to make the page notable. Desmond Tardy isn't noteworthy enough to have a wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adn486 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, and I wasn't trying to say that he IS notable. I was simply answering your question by informing you of the requirements behind speedy deletion criteria G4. Regardless of whether he added extra information, notable or not, WP:CSD did NOT apply because it was previously deleted via PROD, meaning there was no deletion discussion, AND it was not a "sufficiently identical and unimproved copy", click on the link and read for yourself. I have no opinion on Desmond Tardy's notability, I declined your speedy because speedy deletion did not apply. Now, you have the option of PRODing it again, however considering someone recreated it after it was originally deleted via expired PROD, that is basically equivalent to challenging the prod, so the logical next step would be to take it to AfD, that way there can be a discussion on record and if it gets recreated again CSD#G4 CAN apply for next time. -- &oelig; &trade; 08:26, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Grab some glory, and a barnstar
Hi, I'd like to invite you to participate in the Guild of Copy Editors July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive. In May, about 30 editors helped remove the tag from 1175 articles. The backlog is still over 7500 articles, and extends back to the beginning of 2008! We really need your help to reduce it. Copyediting just a couple articles can qualify you for a barnstar. Serious copyeditors can win prestigious and exclusive rewards. See the event page for more information. And thanks for your consideration. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 15:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

:)
Thank you for the barnstar :) I have a question - you have a "pl-1" in your infoboxes - why did you start learning Polish and is it easy for you? ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kubek15 (talk • contribs) 13:25, June 13, 2010


 * It's my first language :) I was born in Białystok. My family emigrated to Canada when I was very young, so I grew up speaking English but still retained some Polish. I can't speak very well but can understand it a fair bit. And your welcome. -- &oelig; &trade; 13:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's really great, Białystok is such a nice city.  Kubek15  write / sign 18:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Saint Athanasius
Thank you for your help in the past. I need help for the article page named. In the second paragraph of the introduction He is named as one of the Great Four of the East, and has "[citation needed]". I now have the citation from; www. newadvent.org. I need your help to add this, and is it OK to use an external web as a cite? (Greetings from Greenwich). MacOfJesus (talk) 13:59, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Bernard! You haven't been popping up on my talk page recently.. I was kinda wondering where you went! ;) Yes it is okay to use an external web site as a reference. If you'll give me the full URL I can add it for you... is it http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05075a.htm ? -- &oelig; &trade; 16:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I have been answering questions on Humanities, and getting frustrated! Yes, that is the exact page.  And it fits on [Citation Needed], on the second paragraph of the introduction.  I have referred to it on the talk page of the same article.  Athanasius in the West is hailed as the one of four of the great doctors of the East, but not necessary in The Eastern Church.   MacOfJesus (talk) 16:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- &oelig; &trade; 17:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, OIEnglish. I was wasting some time on the Humanities page, answering qestions perhaps too bluntly and got accused of making-it-up as I go along!  When you got annoyed with "Drama", I know how you feel.  The subject was requesting information on the exact age of Romeo & Juliet and wondering about legality of underage relationships.  I spoke about how Shakespere composed drama; taking a story from either history or legend and put meat-on-it, making the contrast severe to shock and entertain.  This did'nt suit.  MacOfJesus (talk) 10:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * By the way, what are Barnstars?  MacOfJesus (talk) 22:55, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedians award each other barnstars as a way to show appreciation for doing something to improve Wikipedia. You can read about it here: Barnstars. -- &oelig; &trade; 11:31, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Why thank you! :) I try my best. --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 01:15, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Falguni
Would you please review the article?$Max Viwe$ (talk) 08:31, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi,

The 3rd Great Wikipedia Dramaout
I see you have signed up! Consider notifying 3 good editors of this to encourage more participation. Perhaps saying

I am participating in this. Please consider doing the same! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Great_Wikipedia_Dramaout/3rd#Participating_Wikipedians Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 16:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Or you could just post a notice at the community bulletin board. -- &oelig; &trade; 18:14, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Copyediting Backlog Elimination Drive
Hi OlEnglish - I was hoping that you may be interested in taking part in the July 2010 Copyediting Backlog Elimination Drive. In May, there were about 30 editors that helped remove the tag from 1,175 articles. However, we still have a backlog of over 7,500 articles that extends back two and a half years into early 2008; we're hoping that you'd like to participate in reducing the backlog of articles that require copyediting. Any and all help in the drive is greatly appreciated, as we need all the help we can get to reduce the number of tagged articles! Copyediting just a couple of articles can qualify you for a barnstar, and more prestigious awards are available for those who extensively copyedit. Thanks for your consideration! ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I usually copyedit articles as I come across them anyway, but mostly minor edits, grammar fixes, a typo here and there (I even copyedited your post! ;). So in a sense I'm always participating and always have been, just not to the point where I'm reaching for a barnstar or am part of a team or anything, I'm more of a casual copyeditor. :) -- &oelig; &trade; 21:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, you have a good eye. Spellcheck has failed me. I typically do the same as you, but I figured that I might as well try to apply copyediting to full articles, at least a little bit. Thanks anyway, ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 21:51, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

A message to you
I've send you an e-mail at your address.You should check it as soon as you can.$Max Viwe$ (talk) 06:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi,


 * Replied via email. -- &oelig; &trade; 16:50, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much friend.I will apply for those rights after five-six months.$Max Viwe$ (talk) 17:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Welcome
OIEnglish, on my travels I discovered a person who came to Wikipedia last year, Quest09, and apparently was not welcomed? It is possible that the person removed all posts from their talk page. MacOfJesus (talk) 21:16, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes that is exactly what happened. They decided to blank their talk page. -- &oelig; &trade; 10:17, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Evaluation?
Though most of its improvements were done prior to being moved to incubation, I feel that Article Incubator/Denizen (film) is ready for evaluation. A big problem seen at the AFD in December 2009, was that the film had not yet been released, and though the inexperienced author tried to address issues during the deletion discusion, the film being unreleased was a big bump that she could not get around. Looking at the work of a newcomer that was first sent to AFD on December 23, 2009, and comparing it to what it now is in incubation, I think you will see something more encyclopedic, improved in style and tone, and with somewhat beter sourcing. As someone who has helped the newcomer in improving the article, I do think it's finally ready. Might you look in? Thank you,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * OK I graduated the article and moved it to mainspace. Except I'm not sure what you mean by "helped the newcomer in improving the article" as I don't recall ever editing that article before. -- &oelig; &trade; 04:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * (Chuckle) Who could ever think you a newcomer? Thanks for the graduation.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

S'up homie G
Hiya! I'm new here. :D My name is Lady Vanessa. lol but you can call me Nessa if you want. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lady Vanessa (talk • contribs) 18:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Nessa, let me know if you need help with anything, and welcome :) -- &oelig; &trade; 19:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * OIEnglish, Lady Vanessa seems to have been barred already.  Maybe a second chance might be in order?  Afterall it is a steep learning place, with lots of pit-falls!   MacOfJesus (talk) 23:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes it is. But it looks like miss Vanessa deliberately did something malicious, I don't know what but it was serious enough for it to be redacted from the logs. -- &oelig; &trade; 02:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Deletion Question
Hello! I was in the process of creating a page for Craig Chen, an actor/producer in the Los Angeles area, and before I got a chance to add information, the page was deleted. Is there some way I can tag the page as 'in progress' or something of that sort? Thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crix1337 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can add the tag New page to the top, or if it's already tagged for speedy deletion, you can place the tag Hang on underneath the speedy tag. -- &oelig; &trade; 05:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
14:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

What can I do to become an administrator?
Sorry to bother you again, but lately I've been thinking about becoming an administrator. I've read the information included in the nomination page, but I'm still not sure if I'm ready to give it a go. I was blocked for a day several weeks ago. I didn't know why at first, but then I looked at my IP address and the IP address that had two vandal accounts that had been blocked. Turns out, there was very little difference. And I guess somebody assumed it was a related IP address, and I was unfairly blocked. I quickly sent in an unblock request that was quickly accepted, but I'm sure this block will come back to haunt me in my RfA, as will this unintentional page blanking back in November of last year (I was trying to merge the article with the Arches National Park article, but forgot to redirect it). When do you think I should send a request? The Utahraptor Talk 20:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, somebody nominated me. But I'm not sure how to transclude it to the RfA page. How can I transclude it? The Utahraptor Talk 15:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, I got it. Sorry to bother you. The Utahraptor Talk 15:44, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey there, sorry for not getting back to you sooner. You can ask your nominator to transclude it for you. Also, make sure you read Guide to requests for adminship, there's some helpful advice there. Good luck! -- &oelig; &trade; 15:45, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * That's alright, I already got it. Thanks! I really hope I'm awarded adminship. The Utahraptor  Talk 15:46, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * RfA failed. I might give it another go in six months or so. The Utahraptor  Talk 13:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh! Already?? Darn I missed it, wasn't watching. Yes I hope you have better luck next time. -- &oelig; &trade; 13:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Even though I didn't become an administrator, I still got a lot of moral support and helpful tips. A couple people even said I would make a great admin given some time. So I'll do all I can to prepare, and I'll be back at RfA in six months or so. The Utahraptor  Talk 15:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Possible Sock puppetry ?
In my research on Wikipedia, I think I have found sock puppet accounts.Take a look at these articles.:
 * Hi,
 * Eurogrand EG8180-RD
 * Eurolive B1800X PRO
 * Eurolive VS1220

They are all written today, in same way, in same formatting style, all about musical instruments written like advertisement.Though they all are created by different users.I think those are all sock puppet accounts.You should take action quickly.Those users are: Thanks and please reply.Regards Max Viwe |  Wanna chat with me?  09:39, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Mackyquilala
 * User:Musicrave
 * User:Midori sama

Template talk:Hermetism
I think your request is malformed since you are proposing to move a template into the article name space and replace an article. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Doh! Fixed it. Thanks. -- &oelig; &trade; 23:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Requested moves
Hullo there! Cheers for the reviewer upgrade. Any chance you could take a look at my requests at requested moves, please? DBD 12:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yup, no problem. I commented on the Talk:Peter R. Forster one already, I'll see what I can do about the rest. -- &oelig; &trade; 13:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Themaxviwe
Hello, May I ask why you stripped of all user rights the other day? I agree he didn't need auto-whatever we're calling it now, but I didn't see anything from a spot check of his contributions so troubling as to warrant the removal of the reviewer and rollback rights. If you could elaborate a little, I'd be much obliged. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well basically it was a result of a series of very poor judgment calls in areas of deletion and an overall lack of experience/clue. This post from User:Nsk92 goes into a little more detail, as well as some of the other posts on the talk page from that time before they were removed.


 * I'm sorry I should have notified you after I removed his rollback. We had an email chat about it and basically we agreed for him to reapply for the rights after he's a little more experienced. But perhaps my removal of rollback may have been a little harsh and I wouldn't oppose if you decide to reassign it right now. -- &oelig; &trade; 01:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. :) I'll give it some thought and talk to him before deciding if or when to reassign anything. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Question

 * Hi, I want to ask you that can a user who don't have an Wikipedia account and contributes using IP address create an article? Max Viwe |  Wanna chat with me?  05:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup reason ?
about : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sector_Incorporated

object : please state cleanup reason

06:59, 8 November 2009 OlEnglish (talk | contribs) m (4,759 bytes) (Added tag to article. using Friendly) (undo)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cleanup states "Please include the "reason=" parameter and explain what needs to be done in general terms, even if it is just "See Talk" or "See Discussion", as long as the talk page does have a post explaining the issues."

Kind regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.192.81.40 (talk) 10:50, June 27, 2010


 * OK I added a reason. Thanks for reminding me. -- &oelig; &trade; 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Message
Hi, OlEnglish.You are being very rude with me and treating me like a vandal.What's the problem if I will collect information about different rights?I want to know about different rights so that I can make my self illegible for those rights.As, we had discussed, I am not going to apply for these rights now-a-days.I want to apply for these rights when I'm little bit experienced with Wikipedia.So, Stop treating me very rudely Max Viwe |  Wanna chat with me?  16:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I was not trying to be rude and in no way treating you like a vandal. You were clearly misunderstanding me. I will try to suggest this to you again however, you are still new, try not to make 'getting rights' or impressing people your priority here, just focus on small minor improvements to articles and soon enough you'll pick up enough experience to know which rights you will or will not need. -- &oelig; &trade; 17:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I'd echo that, focus on editing, not collecting hats. If you do a good job, people will be impressed soon enough, but remember we're all here to improve the encyclopaedia. That should be our first priority. If you find, in the course of your editing, that certain extra rights would be useful to you, you can apply for them then and if you do have a need for them, I'm sure an admin will happily grant them. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

What changes should I make as per your suggestions
Just wondering what changes I should make to my article as per your suggestion...

article is Mollie Tomlin.

Thankyou

Jolly_tas

Jolly tas (talk) 10:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello. Currently some (not all!) of the language in that article makes the article read like a memorial piece. This link: NPOV tutorial, should help you with how write in a more neutral and encyclopedic tone. Also, most Wikipedia articles have a table of contents with different section headings that divide the article up into subtopics. It would be helpful to readers if you divide the content into manageable sections such as for example "Early life", "Career", "Family", etc. etc. depending on the subject. Hope this helps. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thankyou, will look at the article and revise.

Jolly tas (talk) 11:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jolly tas (talk • contribs) 11:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Request for Feedback
Hi! I posted an article link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jbernfeld/Sandbox on the feedback request page a few days ago and didn't hear from anyone. I saw that you had some very good comments on that page and would love if you could glance at my article. I've edited articles a few times but never written one before. I would like to post it as a "real" article on Wikipedia. Thanks very much! Jeff Jbernfeld (talk) 13:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I left you some feedback there. I highly recommend you read this page for help on how to improve your article writing: Writing better articles. Have fun and enjoy editing! -- &oelig; &trade; 07:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your feedback about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jbernfeld/Sandbox It was helpful! I'm going to read that article you suggest. I learned about the site I'm trying to write about because my girlfriend bought something from it and can't stop talking about it with all of her friends. Then, I did some research and it looked like there were numerous TV stories in major markets across the country as well as some prominent magazine articles. While not revolutionary, it seemed pretty notable. Though I realize there needs to be a high bar or else every single website would want to be on Wikipedia. How does one try to prove "notability"? Well, I will rewrite some things as well as try to add some notes about its importance. Thanks again! Jeff Jbernfeld (talk) 21:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Your suggestion
Your kindly made a suggestion here but it is not really a good idea.

You did not mean "why don't you grow up instead [of giving up]". What you actually mean is, "why instead of engaging in non-disruptive peaceful protest that is respectful to the founding principles of Wikipedia - fairness and accuracy, don't you bend over and let the nice admins take you up the arse, by banning you for life for doing nothing wrong and then vandalise all your perfectly valid contributions because their tiny petty infantile minds enjoy such things?" When one accurately phrases your question, I think the answer to it is fairly obvious.

I will however give you the benefit of the doubt, assume good faith and presume that you are not a common or garden internet troll.

My concern, clearly expressed, is that has deleted perfectly good and accurate articles, in particular: 1988/89 Courage League and template:1988/89 Courage League Table, 1990/91 Courage League and template:1990/91 Courage League Table, 1991/92 Courage League and template:1991/92 Courage League Table, 1992/93 Courage League and template:1992/93 Courage League Table, 1993/94 Courage League and template:1993/94 Courage League Table, 1993/94 Courage League and template:1993/94 Courage League Table, 1994/95 Courage League and template:1994/95 Courage League Table, 1995/96 Courage League and template:1995/96 Courage League Table, 1996/97 Courage League and template:1996/97 Courage League Table, Hill, Back, Dallaglio, English top flight rugby union league tables since 1987/88.

If you look at the evidence of his vandalism, it is damning. So I appreciate your paying attention to the evidence and not what you have to do to kiss the arse of administrators under the pretext of being a good little boy scout like

Thanks for your attention. 1577-Circumnavigator-1580 (talk) 21:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Umm no I'm pretty sure I meant GROW UP. You're behaving like a stubborn immature little child and you know it. They were rightly deleted per discussion and instead of taking it to deletion review like a grown-up, you went against proper process and policy and disruptively recreated them until we were forced to block you. So now you're on some kind of childish crusade creating multiple sockpuppet accounts to prove a point when the correct course of action would have been to follow dispute resolution process like an adult. Unfortunately for you the way we deal with disruptive sockpuppets is to block and ignore, so your little crusade really isn't going to get you anywhere. -- &oelig; &trade; 23:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I believe I am making progress despite petty trolling and name calling from certain people.  But let's keep this discussion to content not personalities.  Your assertion that those articles were deleted because there was a consensus to delete them is patently false and you know it.  Where is Articles for deletion/1988/89 Courage League?  Nowhere -- it was vandalised.  Where is Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/template:1988/89 Courage League Table?  Nowhere -- it was vandalised. Where is Articles for deletion/1990/91 Courage League? Nowhere it was vandalised.  I could go on here but I think even you will understand.  Furthermore, I have not sought to "recreate these articles against consensus" (that of course was never there in the first place).  I think that would be a waste of my time, since I already wrote such articles.  These articles need to be undeleted in order to reverse this vandalism.  It is quite clear who the petty vandals are here, and it sure ain't me! Fortunately on this point I think I am making progress, so your request for them to go to undeletion reviews may be forthcoming sooner than you think.  Then we'll see. Founder of New Albion (talk) 22:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You had your chance to follow proper process and take them to deletion review to plead your case. Instead you reacted and decided to be disruptive. Now you want people to listen to you?? Maybe you should have thought of that before you started being belligerent. -- &oelig; &trade; 09:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your comment -- as anyone can see, my first concern to reverse this blatant vandalism by was to take it to WP:AN/I.  I made a reasonable, polite complaint there, yet it was swiftly censored from that page and swept under the carpet.  I was therefore forced to take my complaints to other forums.  Yet again, these complaints about this gross miscarriage of justice were ignored, censored and swept under the carpet.  At all times I have acted with honour and according to my principles.  I may have inadvertently violated the letter of the law regarding one or two Wikipedia policies.  However, circumstances and the system have forced my hand.  And anyway, they tell you to WP:IAR.  And I am clearly not being disruptive -- how can I be when that troll  gets off on blocking me on sight? Golden Hind Captain (talk) 11:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The damage is done and you're just making things worse for yourself by continuing to sock and wrongly labeling people vandals and trolls. The best thing you can do at this point is Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. After a bit of time, you can try an unblock request or email unblock-en-l acknowledging you understand why your creations were deleted and why you were blocked. And until that time, neither I, nor likely anyone else, will continue to waste time entertaining your misguided attempts at "wiki-protest". -- &oelig; &trade; 21:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Preston Bailey (Event Designer)
While going through the feedback requests I saw this one. Listed in Preston Bailey (Event Designer) as references are New York Times, New York Post, CBS, MSNBC, and Entertainment Tonight. I've checked and they all check out. Are prod and secondary still applicable tags? Those are definitely secondary and verifiable sources. Just thought I'd ask... :) Pianotech (talk) 22:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yup looks like the author of the article definately made some improvements since the tags were placed. Good thing I mentioned that it needed secondary sources. I've rmoved the prod tags however there's still issues with COI, I'm hoping a neutral uninvolved editor will come along and rewrite it using those sources. Thanks for the notice. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * With the secondary sources he provided, I'm surprised he didn't include them in the first place. That definitely takes care of any notability issues. You're right though, it does read more like a press release or advert in places, which definitely needs taken care of. Nice to meet you, btw; I'm new and still have a lot to learn, having been here about a week. Fascinating place, though. So far I seem to like helping out finding sources, etc., when articles need them. Thanks for the reply, and take care. :) Pianotech (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice to meet you too, and I do hope you'll stay a while and help us make this place even greater than it already is. Finding sources is about the best way there is to help, so I'm glad you've shown an interest in that area. The learning curve is steep here but the result is very rewarding, and can even become quite addicting! Feel free to ask me if you have any questions or need help with anything. -- &oelig; &trade; 23:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the welcome and the kind offer of assistance. :) If I have questions (and I'm sure I'll have many!), I'll feel free to ask. All the best, Pianotech (talk) 23:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

rights
Hey OlEnglish can you grant me the beaurecrat and sysop rights for me please.Thank you.--SRFFGT (talk) 06:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, there ya go. Wanna be president of Wikipedia too? -- &oelig; &trade; 06:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

You have to do it real not pretend.--SRFFGT (talk) 21:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

SRFFGT, there are certain criteria you must have in order to become an administrator. This same concept applies to being a bureaucrat, as well. You're new, so chances are, if you're nominated for adminship, it will be closed per either WP:NOTNOW or WP:SNOW. I was recently nominated for adminship, and my request was closed early per WP:NOTNOW. Sorry, but you need a lot more experience than you do now in order to become an administrator or bureaucrat. The Utahraptor Talk/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 22:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:ANI
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Deletion of Jonathan Kane: The Protector.The discussion is about the topic topic. Thank you. --TFOWR 08:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Typos
Bill is genius but temperamental (although some of his regex preferences I question at times :P). Would you like for me to add in the regex I suggested? Shadowjams (talk) 08:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem, he made me laugh :) and yes please if you could. I actually don't even have AWB installed so I couldn't test it as you said. -- &oelig; &trade; 08:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahah. Alright. I'll test it out for the next few minutes I'm still awake. Bill has been a driving force at AWB for as long as I've been around, although he's occasionally changed what I thought was concise code to something else, but it still gets the job done. He's a good editor, a good guy. I hope you stick around. Those of us who actually like regular expressions are probably less inclined to find the places they're needed. I'm more cautious than most probably are, so I spat out that last regex but I don't trust it until I know it doesn't blank the main page (2 times is my limit). Anyway, keep it up, and enjoy the jostling. Shadowjams (talk) 08:45, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Saint Dismas
I have noticed that Saint Dismas' feast day is seldom referred to and celebrated because it is over-shadowed by the Feastday; The Annunciation of The Blessed Virgin Mary. So, I think that a note is necessary to this effect in the article page, as often he is missing completely from most calendars, Proper of Saints. I explained also in the talk page. I can explain further if needed, and with citations.

(I thought this more up-lifting note would be a happy distraction from so much contentions)

{By the way; Happy Special Day}

MacOfJesus (talk) 10:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Bernard :) &oelig; &trade; 21:59, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Editor removing tags on own article
What is the best way to handle that? Short bio of a living person citing no references. Twice I tagged with noref and twice he removed it. Thanks, Pianotech (talk) 18:53, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It depends on the tag, if you tag a page with a WP:CSD (speedy) tag then the author is not supposed to remove the tag from his article, only another editor can. In that case you should revert and leave a uw-speedy1 warning on their talk page. If they continue past a uw-speedy3 warning, report them at WP:AIV.


 * If it's a regular existing article (BLP or otherwise) and an editor removes a maintenance tag you placed without any explanation or attempt to address the issues raised by the tag, then you should revert and leave a uw-tdel1 warning on their talk page. If they continue past the third uw-tdel3 warning, do not edit war over it! You have the option of reporting them at WP:AIV or WP:3RRNB if applicable but it's best to just let it go and move on. To make tagging and warning easier you should enable Twinkle in your preferences which automates the process.


 * If it's a newly created unsourced BLP, as in your situation, you have the option of either finding the sources yourself or nominating it for deletion as per WP:BLPPROD policy, in which case the prod blp tag cannot be removed until it has at least one reference. I have already done this for you. Hope this helps. -- &oelig; &trade; 21:47, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it. :) Pianotech (talk) 22:08, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tip about Twinkle, too. I'm reading up about it. I think I'll learn the ropes a bit more first before enabling it since it seems pretty powerful; easy to screw up! :) Pianotech (talk) 22:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, good point actually! It's a good idea to learn how to do things manually first so that you know exactly what's going on behind the scenes. -- &oelig; &trade; 03:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Mmmwwwwoaaaahahaaa
Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate true Aevilness. There is a place for you at SPECTRE working as a henchmen in Japanese volcano if you desire it, given that yuou also have a picture of an upside down Mr. Bigglesworth. (With finger to mouth) "Eliminate him".... Dr. Blofeld       White cat 11:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha! well I do have it in one of my userboxes.. does that count? ;P &oelig; &trade; 16:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

User sandbox
Hello again! Sorry to keep pestering you with questions, but you seem to know a lot about how WP works, so I thought I'd ask. :) I created my own sandbox by creating a subpage in my userspace so I can practice using Friendly, etc. Is that ok to do? I figured the best way to learn the ropes would be through actual use, but it would be best to practice in my own personal box. Thanks in advance not only for your help this time, but with my other questions as well. :) Best, Pianotech (talk) 16:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem at all! I'm happy to help. Yes that is perfectly okay to do. I have a feeling you'll get the hang of things around here very quickly. :) &oelig; &trade; 16:47, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As always, thanks for the help and encouragement. :) Pianotech (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

My rights

 * Hi,OlEnglish.I applied for Reviewer rights,but another admin rejected it and said to contact you.So, now I want your very true and final advice.In your opinion after how many edits of how many months, It is fair for me to reapply for those rights.Please give me the best advice. Max Viwe |  Wanna chat with me?  07:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You seem overly eager. It's only been a couple weeks since the rights were removed, since then you've already tried to reapply for other rights several times. I thought we agreed that you'd wait at least a few months? Why are you so anxious to have rights? Having extra flags on your account doesn't make you any more special than any other editor, it's not a sign of status. It's just a tool. Some of Wikipedia's most valuable and respected editors don't have any 'rights' at all and really don't care whether they have any rights. If you want my honest advice here it is: don't make attaining rights your goal, make improving Wikipedia your goal. I think you're smart and do a good job at anti-vandalism, so rollbacker would be useful to you, and I'd gladly grant you the right, along with Reviewer, I just want to rest assured you understand that Wikipedia isn't a MMORPG game first. -- &oelig; &trade; 08:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright and thanks.I'm very sorry about I have written several comments to you which you might have feel aggressive. Thank you again and guide me same way in the future.:) Max Viwe |  Wanna chat with me?  10:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Now I think you're getting it :) I've restored the rollback and reviewer rights on your account. -- &oelig; &trade; 23:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh,Thank you.Thank you.Thank you.Thank you.What Can I say more.Thank you for everything you have done. Max Viwe |  Wanna chat with me?  07:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Question?
How do I get a top bit like you have got on my user talk? Please. -- HelpingHand  Talk  10:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll help. On your talk page, if you click edit, there should be a red link that says "Page notice." Click that, and add a message, such as what OlEnglish has, that you would like editors on your talk page to read. The Utahraptor  Talk 14:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think he meant my overall design. Which isn't much of a design anyway. Oh well. -- &oelig; &trade; 14:41, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow
Now how did you move rainshower to Aquamarine (color). —Preceding unsigned comment added by SRFFGT (talk • contribs) 22:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I redirected it because you just duplicated the content that was already in Aquamarine (color). Read Help:Redirect. -- &oelig; &trade; 00:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Your old signature

 * Hi, I just found this guestbook and saw your sign there.I think it's your previous sign.So, wondering which font you were using in it? Max Viwe |  Wanna chat with me?  04:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The typeface is called Fraktur but it was created with WP:Math markup. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:19, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Afd:Mass killings ... (3rd nom) exists
neutral notification Collect (talk) 12:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

My guestbook
I forgot to thank you ten days ago for signing my guestbook; I probably should have done that. Thanks you for signing it and happy editing. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 19:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Your welcome :) &oelig; &trade; 19:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Guestbook

 * Hi,Would you like to sign my guestbook?Thank you. Max Viwe |  Wanna chat with me?  06:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Request for Adminship
 Hello , thank you for participating in my recent RFA. I have taken all your comments into consideration and will make sure that I do it right if I plan on doing another RFA. Also, please do have a look at the comments made by other editors and myself, regarding this RFA. Thank you again, and have a nice day! Rehman(+) 03:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

User page
Hey, I have a new AEVIL Mr. Bigglesworth and piranha tank of my talk page! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 10:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That Mr. Bigglesworth certainly IS aevil! look at those eyes wow! -- &oelig; &trade; 12:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * I try :) Thanks a lot! -- &oelig; &trade; 12:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Frank's Box
FYI, Frank's Box is widely considered to be total BS even in the paranormal field, especially when it's inventor claims that only "technical savvy ghosts" can use it as they understand how to manipulate electronics better than 'older' ghosts". I mean, really, come on. Even when you see people using it their claims of what supposed voices are saying through the whitenoise is highly debatable. You can look all the pros and cons of it online and find more cons. Anyway, if Frank's Box gets a mention it should be a subject under Electronic voice phenomenon where other such devices like Spiritcom are mentioned. As a stand alone article it will most likely get redirected to EVP or put up AfD. Cyberia23 (talk) 01:53, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * OK fair enough. I don't hold any opinion on the veracity of "Frank's Box" or it's operators' claims, I just didn't want to let the issue rest with the conclusion that red-link == bad, which was the impression I got from your first edit summary. Now that I know that you were well aware of WP:Red link and it's implications, I'm perfectly happy with the piped link you gave it as a compromise. I've just heard it mentioned enough times on Coast to Coast AM (long-time listener ;) to assume it could be notable enough for a stand-alone article in the future, but after reading up on it some more I agree that it would probably make a better fit within the EVP article. Except what's strange is that there is not a single mention of it anywhere in that article! nor "Spiritcom" for that matter.. -- &oelig; &trade; 02:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and added a blurb about Frank's Box on Electronic voice phenomenon based on what I could find out about it. The information out there is pretty vague and some of it is inconsistent, so I'm not sure if the references are entirely credible. Cyberia23 (talk) 04:22, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * OK great, I created a redirect to it then. Frank's Box. -- &oelig; &trade; 04:54, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Zorbing
Hello. In March you added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this, see e.g. ). I've only removed the reference, not the text it was referencing. I'm removing a lot of similar references as they are circular references; many other editors have also been duped by these sources. Despite giving an appearance of reliability, the name "Webster's" has been public domain since the late 19th century. Another publisher to be wary of as they reuse Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences &amp;  Windows  19:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for informing me, all editors working on Unreferenced article cleanup should also be made aware of this. -- &oelig; &trade; 19:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Help request
Hey there! Hope all is going well! I wondered if you could help me help an editor. He has a very short article that he'd like to redirect to a different article (I think!). The article is at Harris_levey, and the thread is on the article's talk page. Would you mind taking a look and seeing if you could help? The article almost got speedied, but the author is exhibiting good faith and asking for help; I'm just not sure how to accomplish what he wants. Much appreciated! :) Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 23:10, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help! I managed to find a reference and get it added before you userfied; also told him to be vigilant about neutrality given his close connection to the subject. Thanks for your help; I think once he works on the article in his userspace he'll do a good job. As I said, he was asking for help in good faith. Appreciated! Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 00:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yup, no problem, I'm sure he'll end up with a great article. -- &oelig; &trade; 00:13, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you have a look? I think it's pretty close, myself. User:Jonathanlevey/Harris_levey Thanks! Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 14:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks OE and PianoTech. You two have realy been attentive and helpful. I sent you a message, OE, below (about 20 minutes ago), asking for help on the re-direct to my article on Harris Levey, and about going live, but I also asking for additional input. If you prefer that I keep it in draft form until more changes are made, I wil do just that. I respect your concnern for high quality articles and th e rigors of following the Wikipedia guidelines, etc. so any furhter help will be most appreciated. PianoTech, in particular has really spent time to think about the structure, layout and content of my article and thsihas been a tremendous help and sped up my learning curve. Waiting for your further help and input Old English, as soon as your schedule allows. Jonathan Levey 14:48, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi
I'd like to inform you about the Motto of the Day's new project, the Motto Shop project. Basically, you can ask for a motto, quoted or original, pick a topic of your choice, and choose a template (we have 10 to choose from). Then a MOTD contributor will use the Motto of the day format to deliver a motto that you can live by on Wikipedia. A lot of editors have requested for a motto (so far, the only admin who has asked for one is HJ) so be quick and request one, and you could become the second ever admin who has requested a motto! :)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:40, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * And HJ happened to be the first one ever to get a motto. And, to inflate my ego, I'll tell you this: I got to create it! :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 00:24, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think he saw this, since there's a big section down there...  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 14:24, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I fully understand this... So.. I get to pick a motto.. (what kind? from where? what are my options for picking a motto? Do I just make something up?) And once I have my motto.. what can I do with it? Is it just something to display on my userpage? Is it mine alone and only I can display it on my userpage and noone else? Is it permanent? Does the MOTD template still cycle through different mottos? 'cuz that's what I liked about it, that's why I have MOTD on my userpage to begin with, because I get a different motto every day, and that gives my userpage variety. If I wanted to display a permanent motto on my userpage I'd just do that, why would I need another user to put it in a template and "deliver" it to me? Sorry for all the questions, I'm sure it's a fun little project I'm just not understanding its appeal. Maybe I'm missing something? -- &oelig; &trade; 00:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The service was created to let MOTD contributors make a motto for you. The motto can be completely original or quoted from somewhere else - you can take your pick. Some people may want a motto about, say AGF, quoted. But he can't think of any quoted motto that is related to AGF. So he goes to the motto shop. A motto shop contributor would take on the task, and try to think of a quote related to AGF. Then he will deliver the motto to your talk in the template of your choice. That way you don't have to think of one yourself. After you get the motto you can decide if it's good or not, and make a rating at the requests page. If you like it, it can become your very own motto to live by on Wikipedia. Note that all mottos are in the format followed by the Motto of the day. Details about the formatting can be found at WP:MOTD/G.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, in reply to 'Does the MOTD template still cycle through different mottos', some mottos produce random ones, some produce that day's, and some produce both. There is a certain consensus that a motto, if used a long time ago with different links, can be reused in exceptional cases, but not like you suggested, running like the TOTD, especially because we're much better than we used to be.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 02:29, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I see. Thanks for clarifying. -- &oelig; &trade; 03:19, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

1. Request input on Draft 2. Move Draft to live 3. create redirect
Dear Old English, Thanks again for your initial comments and suggestions on how to make my Draft article on Harris Levey accpetable for posting live on Wikipedia. These suggestions, along with tips from PianoTech and a few other Wikis really helped. I would appreciate it if you woudl take the time to re-visit my revised Draft article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jonathanlevey/Harris_levey

Then, please let me know if you like the content --the way it is shaping up, and also let me know if you genuinely believe that this draft article is in strong enough shape to move it from my userspace over to Wikipedia's live site as a normal article. Of course, If you have more suggestions to make it better before moving it over, this too would be appreciated. Or, if you feel it is strong enough to go live, please help me to move it over, and I will continue to polish it and make it better and better in the weeks to come (ie. add more photos info, resources, links, etc.).

Also, I would like to have your help to create a "redirect" so that once this article on "Harris Levey" goes live, if a visitor to wiki inserts "Lee Harris" into the search engine, they are taken to the page of "Harris Levey". Please advise or help me by making this redirect for me (if you are able to). I see that "Stan Lee" also has several redirects from his name "Stanley Martin Lieber" over to his "Stan Lee" Bio Page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_lee and if the person searches for Stan Lee but does not put in the proper capitalization (ie. Stan Lee vs. Stan lee).

Perhaps Stan Lee's page could serve as a model --though I am guessing you may not need such a model as you likely alreaedy know how to create re-directs :)

I also have a bit dilemma and would like your advice: Although Harris Levey was perhaps most known for his work as an illustrator for DC comics and this work was done under the legal name of Lee Harris,this period in his life (comic book illustrator) was relatively brief (less than ten years) and he did make a bit of a name for himself in the Advertising world which he worked in for 40+ years and where he was the art director on several exciting campaigns such as Clairol Hair,Mobil,the Army, and many others. I would like to give hiim recognition for his achievements as an Art Director as well as for his comic book work. Can I do this by simply adding more related links photos verifications etc. dealing with his advertising accomplishments into this same article on "Harris Levey"? I beleive that this is the way to go, but I woudl also value your advice.I look forward to hearing form you and to (hopefully) move this article from my userpace over to Wikipedia's main site.

One more thing... could yo ukindly make a re-direct for the name "Harris Levy" that leads to the mainspace article "Harris Levey"? Hope so! :) Jonathan Levey 23:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)


 * It's looking a lot better! Needs a bit of copy-editing still, but a definite improvement. I see no reason why it can't be in mainspace so that other users may add their contributions (this is a Wiki after all ;) So I went ahead and did the move for you to Harris Levey, with Lee Harris (illustrator) and Leland Harris as redirects to the main article. The title "Lee Harris" already existed as a Disambiguation page so I all I could do was add a link to the article. As for adding information on his achievements as an Art Director, I would say yes go for it, as it's definitely relevant to his biography, except you should write about it in prose backed up with reliable third-party sources, not just in links and photos. -- &oelig; &trade; 23:18, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your timely and diligent work to help me move this article into the mainspace of Wikipedia, Old English! Thanks foo foryour further encouragement to make it even better. Do you think the footnotes serve the article well, or shoudl these be changed inot link section (however one des such a thing... I will have to find out)? As for the art director verification, I can add photos of his artwork that appeared in profesional journals, and eventualy a cover story that reported his success, written by his ad firm at the time (Foote Cone & Belding). Not sure what else i may find. I have a photo of one or two awards he received in the ad industry. His name was listed on a student scholarship at the Chocoran (sp?) Art Gallery --but I am not sure it stillexists as an annual award (I am told it "might") so I will verify. In any case, feel free to make direct edits yourself if yo have the time and will to improve it. Peraps I could seek out and find a comic autority t add their insights, and his foremr agency heads to write a letter recognizing his acheivements in their fimr and his vision in the Advertsiing world. Any other ideas, or suggestions woudl be most welcome at this point. I wil likely try to work on this some more on the weekend. Thanks again! And thanks to PianoTech too and the others that have sddded their valuable and timely input! Jonathan Levey 23:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)


 * Your welcome. Adding photos will indeed improve the article immensely however you MUST ensure that they are FREE images in the public domain, and you must add a proper license to it, this is important otherwise the image will be deleted. See Picture tutorial for help on adding images. -- &oelig; &trade; 00:03, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Harris Levey moves to Mainspace! :) One last re-direct needed :) :)
I cannot thank you enough, Old English for your timely input and hard/professional work to help my article on Harris Levey move to wiki's mainspace. I am indeed, very pleased. I am also very pleased with the re-directs you created. If possible, I woudl really appreciate it if yo could make one more re-direct in case the visitor inserts "Harris Levy" into the search engine of wiki. They should be directed to the "Harris Levey" article. Hoep yo can do this. i will try to make the articel better on the weekend and hope otehr s that know about the comic industry and ad industry put their work into this article as well. Jonathan Levey 23:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)


 * ✅. I've also added a few categories and links from other articles (de-orphaned). On the talk page you'll find I've added two WikiProject banners: WPBiography, and WPComics. The latter, WP:WikiProject Comics is an excellent resource relating to comic books, visit their talk page and you should be able to contact other people with information that may help you with this article. -- &oelig; &trade; 23:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Your initiatives to add links banners and categories is fantastic, Old English. Thanks so much! My only concern at this point is that when you listed Harris Levey's name in the two comic book creator categories (American comics artists, and Golden Age comics creators), that you listed his name in the "H" section of these two sites, for "harris Levey", but these "H" sections are for last names that begin with the letter H, not first names.  Actually, it is even more confusing because he signed his comic book illustrations as "Lee Harris", and therfore should be listed in these two sites (and other comic book related sites) as "Lee Harris" under the "H" (last name) section with a re-direct made to the Harris Levey Wikipedia Page.  At least that's how I believe the situation shoul dbe rectified. I hope I am being clear. Can you help to make these revisions?  Again, Old English, I must thank you for the extra time and thought you are giving my article to help it move forward in a positive way and have more and stronger verifications. Further help in the days/weeks to come will be greatly appreciated should you thinkk of new things to add or fix.  I feel lucky to have your time and input, in this way. Jonathan Levey 16:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)


 * Hmm.. no it looks right.. I listed the article under L for "Levey" not H. -- &oelig; &trade; 03:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Strangely, Old English, when I go to the article and click on all four categories at the bottom, I find the name /wikilink for "Harris Levey" appears under the respective site's Last Names that start with "H" section. There is no Harris Levey found under the Last Names that start with "L" section. Because the comic world knows Harris Levey only as "Lee Harris", I believe that his name should be referenced on the comic related sites as "Lee Harris" under the Last names that start with "H" section of these sites (ie. since "Harris" was the legal last name that he used to sign his comic book art work and it was the name he was most known by in the comic world. In this way, if the proper change is made, when the visitor clicks on "Lee Harris" in the "H" section of the comic-related site, they will be re-directed to the Wikipedia "Harris Levey" article.  Does this make sense to you?  If so, and yo agree, could you kindly make the changes needed?  For both Comic category sites? As for the Category sites for Birth and Death, I believe that his name should be properly listed as "Harris Levey", the legal name he was given at birth.  The same should be done for the Death category, since "Harris Levey" was the legal name that he dies with. I this is clear and that yo uargreee and can make the necessary changes.

Below are the links to the sites where I find "Harris Levey" listed in the Last Names sections that begin with "H" section. Again, as described above, to me this seems incorrect. Please fix and/or advise at your earliest chance. :) Jonathan Levey 05:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Below are the respective category links with the name listed incorrectly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:1921_births&from=H

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:1984_deaths&from=H

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:American_comics_artists&from=H

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Golden_Age_comics_creators

Jonathan Levey 05:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)

Jonathan Levey 05:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh ok that's the categories.. in your first message you mentioned the two lists that I added a link to which is something different.. Ok I added a default sortkey so that it gets sorted under L for Levey in any categories the article gets put in. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I apologise, I was wrong, you did mention specifically the categories in your first message, and not the lists. Sorry :) Anyways, it's fixed now. :) -- &oelig; &trade; 06:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!! :) :)Jonathan Levey 17:52, 31 July 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)

If you don't mind?
Working on this in my userspace. Think it could go as a stub? User:Pianotech/Scottish_Rite_Cathedral_(New_Castle,_PA) Thanks, Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 19:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think it looks good! I will add some categories. -- &oelig; &trade; 07:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 11:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Where'd you go?
Thanks for checking on me! I'm doing fine; I just finished a very busy quarter. I was taking 16 units worth of upper-division math for Spring, and 8 more upper-division units for Summer Session 1. I just finished my last final, though, so, I should have a lot more time on my hands now.  Sophus Bie  (talk) 07:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That's great, real good to hear. Welcome back :) &oelig; &trade; 07:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)