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December 2016
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Speedy deletion nomination of T'ien Ti Tao (天地道派) - Heaven & Earth Way (Taoist) School (Est.1975, Tested/Accepted by ICKF 1987)


A tag has been placed on T'ien Ti Tao (天地道派) - Heaven & Earth Way (Taoist) School (Est.1975, Tested/Accepted by ICKF 1987) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a club, but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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Nomination of T'ien Ti Tao Ch'uan-shu P'ai for deletion
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Talkback. OldToastie. Wikipedia appears to be making hasty misjudgments. (a) this is not a page about a "club"; as it is clearly a "School" and a recognized School (P'ai) at that; Tested and Accepted by ICKF R. o. China 1985-1987. T'ien Ti Tao has been favourably featured in many British and American Martial arts magazines, newspaper articles and other media. It has been fully tested and accepted by a world-wide Chinese Arts regulator, the International Chinese Kuoshu Federation (Taiwan) through what was the British Kuoshu Promotion Association in UK, and accepted as "Genuine traditional Chinese Arts" by them. This makes both the school and the event unique to British based Chinese Arts schools as well as a notably Historic Event. These three factors alone make it a notably historic. This suggests that whomsoever is suggesting the page for deletion is not only ignorant of the facts, but that Wiki is contra to its "encyclopedic" claims of noting historic references!

Wiki processes are seemingly too complex, too judgmental and often by unknowledgeable (not of the field) or perhaps even bias people. Noted with interest is a proposed deletion of a page on Master Wong, Ark Yuey. He was a remarkable historical figure in the Chinese Arts. Living in San Fran Cisco, he taught only Chinese at first. During the 1930's some American/s wanted to learn his Arts. They could not understand the Chinese terms, like Ch'uan-shu, so he translated learning as "Kung Fu"; to learn by hard work. This was the founding of the expression which is even now commonly used in Mainland China.

Other areas where Wiki is contradictory are, for example, having a page on Mixed Martial Arts/MMA. There is no such thing as MMA, unless a practitioner has gained skills in more than one recognized Martial Art. To teach would require Teaching Qualifications in two or more known Martial Arts. But even then, s/he would be a practitioner of (e.g.) Shotokan Karate and Jiujutsu. Wiki in giving a page dedicated to MMA gives unqualified credence to unqualified people who claim to be MMA Teachers!