User talk:Old Bess

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 * Thank you, much appreciated Old Bess (talk) 13:02, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Cotton mills
Its good to have a new helper on board- can you check your last edit- can you add your reference to the new facts, and check the sentence two further on- as it fails to make sense now. I personally think that linking Birmingham is over linking as there is nothing in the Brum article that will enhance the readers understanding of the prime topic Cotton Mill- whereas if it had linked to an the unwritten article Engineering innovation in the 18th Century Black Country I would say it was an important link. (If you come across a John Simpson Rutter, (Vicar 1746-95, Wolverhampton) or his grandson (Solicitor, Walsall) those are my direct ancestors- the Watts could have been their clients- but I need a reference.)--ClemRutter (talk) 10:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello :) Thanks, I've tried to tidy it a little, cite a source, link to Science Invention rather than Birmingham and I've removed the irrelevance to later patent acquisition. Obviously I take it you've seen this, the library in Birmingham is bound to have information on this person, I'd give them a try 0121 303 1111. Old Bess (talk) 19:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I have been keeping an eye on the donkey for several years. To honest I don't think it was a significant player- I can find references for mules and donkeys being used while machines were being developed and a couple where animals were used when the water wheel failed but I don't think it was powerful enough to be seriously considered at the point when more than one machine was used- ie when it changed from a domestic situation to a mill. I believe it was tried when the colonials copied the Derbyshire Arkwright type mills in Lowell- the first mill used water and a second one used animals as the prime mover- but that was a dead end. The donkey delivers 250W, the horse 750W- Naismith p604 gives the rule of thumb that in 1896- one horse power was needed to run 85 mule spindles and the necessary prep machines, making it 30 spindles a mule. In earlier mills vast amount of power was dissipated by friction on lineshaft bearings.--ClemRutter (talk) 19:41, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree actually, I'd say it was the utilization of water that made the Mill's viable, however, after having said that, something I believe you could have in the 'First Mills'section is, information on those first Mills which used Wyatt and Paul's Roller Spinning Machine which incidentally needs a separate article to the Spinning Frame which is quite different by the sounds of things). Maybe "2.1.1 Introduction of Machinery (1732)" and then list the info of Paul and Wyatt's Mills, which after all were far more relevant than the asses which failed to help make the equipment profitable. Old Bess (talk) 19:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Support your assertions
Greetings, Old Bess. I see you have contributed to Headlamp with this edit, and made some comments about your contribution here on the article's talk page. That's not how we do it here, and though you might not have meant to, you have left a mess for someone else to clean up. That's never appreciated. We add only verifiable material to an article, and we cite the reliable source the material came from. We do this in the article itself, not in a comment on the article's talk page. There are tools to make it very easy to do so. My favourite is Reference Generator, which will automagically generate the correctly-formatted text for numerous different kinds of sources. Just fill in the blanks, hit the "Get reference text" button, and then copy the text it gives you and place it after the punctuation of the sentence(s) you're supporting with the ref. Please go ahead and do this now for the material you added to Headlamp so that it can remain in the article. Thanks! —Scheinwerfermann T&middot;C 16:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Greetings Scheinwerfermann, oh no, I do apologise, how rude of me, I'll clean up my 'mess' and cite my source (as I'd already done on the discussion page) right away Old Bess (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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World Wide Web
But was the World Wide Web invented in Birmingham? No. Take it from me, including Berners-Lee's parents just because they are from Birmingham sounds desperate - as if Birmingham has no scientific history to speak about (which I'm sure it does). Surely Birmingham can claim better inventions than trying to steal someone else's thunder? Not a 'by-product' invention. If you want to keep it, then fine, but to me it sounds desperate. Stevo1000 (talk) 16:29, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Stevo, thanks for the comment. I will take on board your suggestion as we certianly wouldn't want to look desperate, and have another look at this. Originally I was not going to include it in the article, I even removed it myself but then when I realised that his parents (both Brummies) worked on the groundbreaking Feranti computers in Manchester (and much more), I wanted some way to tie it all in, it's more about creating an eye catching article which will draw readers in to explore more about these people and the topics in question, but they do need to be relevant and be worthy of inclusion.


 * By the way, If you need any help with the Manchester article I can offer some pointers, I picked up quite a bit over time, I took a book out of Birmingham library some years ago which was brilliant and listed hundreds of patents, the book had not been touched for years and it was quite a read, the author had begun an equivalent book about Manchester but he died before its completion, it would be great to try and find these papers and add this to the article on Manchester. Just a thought. Old Bess (talk) 16:42, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, the piece on the World Wide Web in the Birmingham article just is a bit far fetched and comes across a bit desperate. If I were you, I would expand on Watt and Boulton's work more in that article, they are very important to the development of engineering in Britain. For me, when I think of Birmingham (aside from Cadbury's) I tend to think engineering, and Boulton and Watt are one of the first names that I associate with the city.


 * If you have facts on patents made in Manchester, then that could go well with the Science and invention in Manchester. I think I'm going to go more down the route of naming key scientists such as Dalton and successful engineering firsts such as the Bridgewater Canal for that article. Stevo1000 (talk) 17:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Cheers Stevo, I'll review that whole piece. The trouble with the Steam Power stuff is that it could take up the whole article and while it would be of interest to maybe you and I others may turn off, what I have tried to achieve is to highlight the city's reputation as a city fo a thousand trades, there is a lot to consider, I'me working on the 20th century images to get them looking right, then I will go through and check all the sources again to make sure it's all cited 100%. You could include the Ferranti Mark 1 for the Manchester article. Old Bess (talk) 10:55, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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