User talk:Oldandfat

Dear OldandFat,

Your personal opinion of relevance is curious. A fire pit sounds pretty basic taken on its own. Your decision to go through and erase a large portion of the article seems rather arbitrary to me. Fire pits have past (archaeological) and current (social) significance. As a part of their current place in society, many people do not know overly much about them. If wanted to look into how to make what is there more accurate that is one thing. There has already been some cleanup to remove anything highlighting particular companies, this is merely to explain what is available so someone could be more informed as to modern fire pits. I will not immediately undo your edits as I'll give you a chance to respond, and don't try to hide behind links as justification, spell out the irrelevance to society for me. I'm a reasonable person, if you can cogently present it as worthless knowledge, I will concede.

Thanks, Andy.W.Ellis (talk) 12:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC


 * Hi Old and Fat,

Thanks for the response, it seems that I was unaware of the impression that comparing costs of something left, I have difficulty sometimes not thinking and numbers and it helps me. I will say that I see where you're coming from and appreciate the feedback, though I do think the various types are indeed relevant if in need of editing. Thanks,Andy.W.Ellis (talk) 12:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help with cleaning up and neutralizing the fire pit page. I'm not altogether positive why the Shenandoah Valley Bluestone page was redirected, particularly after a lot of the information was deleted from the page it was redirected to.  I don't know if you can or would want to undo that redirect, let me know.  If not, I'll probably go and undo the deletions from the bluestone page because now there's nowhere else to offer that information.  I may also format it so there is larger designation between Pennsylvania and Shenandoah Bluestone.

Thanks, Andy.W.Ellis (talk) 16:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Break your arm
First, I suspect you are on the wrong page. I have never heard the legend with respect to any swan species other than the Mute Swan. If you are suggesting it is true for all the world's swan species, you need to reference them all. Secondly, Mark Cocker, who knows his stuff, says it is a legend (note - he is talking about Mute Swans). You repeat it fact; the Swan UK site suggests that it is theoretically possible, but this is unreliable. That site (which has no references for its info) makes the basic mistake of saying that the Queen owns all the Mute Swans in the UK, so I certainly wouldn't trust it on this more dubious claim.

So, at best, it might be worth a mention as a legend on the Mute swan page. I can't see that it has any place at all on the swan family page. jimfbleak (talk) 14:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)