User talk:Oldelpaso/Archive 1

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Macclesfield
OK, no problem. Noisy | Talk 10:09, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Bolton Wanderers F.C.
Hi, if Bolton's page can't have the squad list the way i set it (i accept your reasons why!), Can we make it (and others) in the style of West Ham United F.C.? They do seem to have the best format for there squad list. Thanks, Bwfc 23:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, If West Ham's Squad list is against the rules (like Bolton's) Then maybe you should consider changing it like Bolton's? Just a Thought. - Bwfc 22:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Newcastle United F.C. and Manchester United F.C. squad lists are also set out this way, is there a reason for them not to be? Mark272 17:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Manchester derby
As if I'm not in enough arguments here already :-) I'm sure I'll find something to add to it, possibly involving a Ukranian.  I'll leave '74 and '89 to you, shall I?

Merry christmas, CTOAGN (talk) 17:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Article improvement drive
Hi Oldelpaso,

The Football AID is restarting. The next project article is to be selected on January 1, 2006. Please look at the nominations and take part actively. Thanks. -Aabha (talk) 10:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, I was thinking of making it fortnightly too, but lets see how it goes the first time round, now that I've posted a message on a lot of users' pages saying that it is weekly. Lets get it up and running, we can decide on what the best term is as it goes. -Aabha (talk) 20:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Need help
I need your help on two pages of English football clubs: Gloucester City A.F.C. and Colchester United F.C. can you help me with the expansion of these pages??

Rakuten06 18:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much!! I have a website for both of these teams, want me to give you the names of the websites??


 * Rakuten06 18:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I have an interest of International sports, and wanting to expand the stubs of international sports clubs, I became not interested in American sports, that's why, I want to expand the international sports stubs, is that enough for you?? Rakuten06 18:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks, you need anything to help or you're fine?? Each day, the each club's stub will added to the watchlist, so I'm glad to have you as my partner for expansion of international sports's clubs, I'm not sure if I can start an article about international sports clubs Rakuten06 19:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Attempt to respond
Hello, Oldelpaso. I hope I've got this right! I still am unsure how to "talk" to people after I go to their "Talkpage" so I'm stuck with this for now! I am - as you are probably thinking right now - a complete idiot when it comes to things like this!

Incidentally, I really like the info on the right-hand side of your UserPage (you know, the "This User speaks English" and "This User supports" some team from Manchester (no offence!) and the suchlike! How (if you're still willing to talk to me!) do you manage things like that!

I don't know much about Rugby, either - only what I've picked up over the last few years, so I'll probably not be much use to the Wikipedia Rugby Project people, but thanks for the suggestion anyway - I will look into it!

Sorry for ruining your TalkPage - I'm sure you can fix it pretty quickly!

DAAdshead 16:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

New team to the watchlist
I added a new team to the watchlist, it's from Portugal: Associação Naval 1º Maio, it's just promoted from Division II for the first time, so that's brand-new article to my watchlist, just to update you for any new teams

Rakuten06 21:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry to interrupt you, but a new team has added to my watchlist: Atlètic Club d'Escaldes, the soccer club from Andorra, I already created the external link and current playing squad

Rakuten06 22:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Two more teams added to my list of teams: Budapest Honvéd FC and Bohemian FC, Budapest team in Hungary, and Bohemian in Northern Ireland (if I got the second team's country right), will keep you updated of more new teams

Rakuten06 00:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * a new team to my watchlist: C.F. Estrela da Amadora, the team is in the same as Naval: SuperLiga, just promoted from Division II

Will keep you updated

Rakuten06 19:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

World Cup vote
With your neutral vote would you anticipate that the vote would be discounted or should it be used to calculate the total votes and the consequent percentage majority and thus be registered as a half vote for for and a half vote against the move? Jooler 10:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Manchester City
Hi! I believe we need to discuss the famous players section of the Manchester City. By famous, I understand big reputation players and it means George Weah, Peter Schmeichel and David Seaman should be there. However I don't think that's what it is meant to be. So I would like to suggest a rename of the section to something like "most important players". Also, you pointed Seaman and Wanchope should not be there as they didn't play enough games for the club. I would like to add Deyna made just 34 league appearances in his three year spell. Keen to hear from you. Marceloschleder 16:59, 3 January (UTC)


 * "Noted players" would be better, I guess. I'm also adding a couple of new important players as Tony Book (Football Writers Player of the Year in 1969). I also created an article about John Benson. If you have the time, take a quick look please. Marceloschleder 19:17, 4 January (UTC)


 * I believe Manchester City 10-1 win over Huddersfield is their record league win. At least, that's what most of the websites and magazines believe it's right as the goal difference between the teams is 9. Even though City once scored 11 in a game, they conceded three, so the margin was smaller. Thoughts? Marceloschleder 15:58, 6 January (UTC)


 * What about this? 10-1 as the record league win and 11-3 as the most goals scored in a league game? It would make justice to both wins, IMO. Anyway, I created an article about Mel Machin. Take a quick look please, if you have the time. Marceloschleder 19:02, 6 January (UTC)

Football AID
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Nick Moran
I didn't know that it had an afd page. Maybe it automatically added it? I just put the db-bio tag on it and cleaned up all of the junk he and his sockpuppet put up. Ohnoitsjamie 19:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait, I think you're asking me how to do it (versus how did I do it). That article has been deleted, so you should be able to delete it from the "articles for deletion" page, noting in the edit summary that it's been speedied.  Unless perhaps an admin has to officially close the afd discussion....I think I've seen that before. Ohnoitsjamie 19:17, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Would you mind taking a look at this edit for Kiki Musampa?  "Fallen out of favor" seems a tad POV.  Stats I found in Soccerbase.com seem to indicate that he's been playing this season, but you're much more knowledgeable in this area than I. Ohnoitsjamie 21:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Premiership cleanup
Cheers - I'm currently working through Special:Contributions/AlexWilkes from the bottom up - Arsenal, Bolton, Blackburn & Charlton I've already done. Birmingham's article is a total mess and needs a lot of TLC, Aston Villa I've left alone for the moment (as I'd linked to it from Wikiproject Football). Someone has already sorted out the Chelsea article. I'll probably keep ploughing through it today, but if you just do the same on any articles it would be much appreciated. Qwghlm 11:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Additional - I've just sorted out Everton, which was a nightmare (merging and re-ordering not two but three separate sections about the club's recent history). Might take a break from it for a bit, so feel free to carry on from there. Qwghlm 12:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I've just removed the one from United (it had nothing but what was said above, plus the author's POV). I'll sort out Villa, and start on the ex-Premiership clubs (at home listening to Arsenal v. Cardiff on the radio at the moment). Thanks a lot for helping out. Qwghlm 13:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, I've sorted out Villa, and have got as far as Ipswich Town in the other clubs. The ex-Premiership clubs are trickier as some of their articles really do need a lot of cleanup - not just what has added but other users' additions too. I didn't realise how badly-maintained some articles are. Qwghlm 16:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Got up to Norwich City, but I've balked at Nottingham Forest - the article is a total shambles and I haven't the time to fix it. If you want to give it a go feel free, else skip it and we can leave it another time. Qwghlm 13:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * [[Image:WikiThanks.png|right]] Thanks for doing the rest, I've just sorted out Wolves; having gone through them I think we've sorted out all of the articles that need to have the Premiership additions between us. Thanks a lot once again - have a WikiThanks from me. :-) Qwghlm 18:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Trevor Francis
I know everybody calls him the first million pound player, but everybody can be wrong :) I think the problem lies in exactly how you count the transfer fee - the agreed fee might have been less than £1m, but it may have rose above £1m with agents fees, signing fee etc. I'll try and dig out some references. sjorford (talk)  14:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Case in point: Rothmans 1980 says Steve Daley's fee was "£1,437,500 (£1,150,000 basic fee)" - which was it? I think you're right that the higher figure is the one to quote in this case, but tying these things down is messy. sjorford (talk)  14:32, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Football AID 23 - 29 January
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Wikiproject on non-league football
I've been thinking about creating a WikiProject for English non-league football, and am trying to find out if there's enough interest to make it worth doing. It would be useful to have somewhere for people who are interested in non-league football to have a place to discuss articles, and if there's enough interest we could get a monthly collaboration going with a view to getting non-league articles on the front page. It would be listed as a sub-project of WikiProject Football unless the members of that project objected strongly to it, and people would be able to join either or both (or neither) depending on what they were interested in. I thought you might be interested so I'd like to know if you are - if I get more than 3 or 4 positive replies I'll set it up. CTOAGN (talk) 12:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Football AID 29 January - 4 February
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"x in the Premiership"
User talk:AlexWilkes is at it again, adding in the "in the Premiership" content you & I successfully merged several weeks ago. Could you perhaps also drop a note on his talk page asking him to stop? Qwghlm 21:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Football
Oops, my mistake! Thanks for correcting me. Gflores Talk 19:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Non-league project
Hi,

I've created a project on non-league football at WikiProject Non-league football. There isn't much there yet, but please add your name if you're interested and feel free to add any content or put any suggestions on its talk page. CTOAGN (talk) 10:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Wigan Athletic F.C.
I reverted one of your changes to Wigan Athletic F.C., and its only fair to tell you why. You wrote This also effectively guarantees Wigan a place in the UEFA Cup in the 2006/07 season, as even if they lose to Manchester United, the latter team is almost certain to win a European place from a high Premiership finish, causing the League Cup slot to be passed down to Wigan. Unlike the FA Cup, finishing runner up in the League Cup does not grant qualification if the winner qualifies for Europe by other means; the place would then go to the next highest in the League. Oldelpaso 18:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and my edit summary is possibly a little harsh - I initially misread it as though you'd predicted European qualifiacation through league placing. Oldelpaso 18:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. The vagaries of English football continue to astound me... Stifle 23:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

RFA
Hi, just wanted to thank you for voting on my RFA, which went through with a count of (58/0/1), far better than I'd expected. I intend to take things slowly and start using the extra abilities gradually, but if there's anything I can do just leave a message. Cheers, CTOAGN (talk) 13:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Archiving
I've answered your question on Talk:Bayern Munich. I hope I answered your question. Kingjeff 22:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Review of PGS
Hi. I just wanted to let you know that I've made the necessary corections to the page that you just reviewed. The new one should be more consistant with wiki's policy (not a page to advertise). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ttishgar (talk • contribs) 20:58, 9 February 2006

English Leagues
I agree with your idea. Although I do think that we should keep more of the data I'm compiling due to the fact that it's more accurate (has the top-three finishers rather than the winners). Obviously when more complete, I will make a note of promotion, due to the fact that the top three of the lower divisions aren't always the ones who get promoted. I also plan on adding play-off winners when I get to it and the brief histories. I'd much appreciate it if you want to be involved in doing this! Right now I'm adding the southern section of Division 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cintrianex (talk • contribs) 23:55, 9 February 2006

Football AID 19 February - 25 February
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non-wiki related message, damn you sir —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.79.162.144 (talk • contribs) 20:36, 20 February 2006

FIFA WC 1978
I did a quick google search and I can't seem to find good ones. The Argentine Football Association's web page [www.afa.org.ar] has been down and only a token informative page remains, that would've been the first place to look. Just google "mundial 78" (or 1978) to see what you can find. ("Mundial" is how Argentines refer to the FIFA WC). :)

Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

PS:, might be another good place. :) Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem with the Argentine copyright law, is that we can't just get any image that has been published in Argentina that we might find on the net, but we must scan them ourselves from the original source, since the scanning itself might be copyrighted (pretty much like the OCRed version of the Britannica 1911, which are copyrighted). I just came back form Argentina, were I could have searched for an old magazine or something. We should ask Pablo, he's still home. Mariano (t/c) 06:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your help with the List of top-division football clubs in UEFA countries, which is now featured! Conscious 20:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

TegaDigital
Since you originally prodded it, I thought you might want to know that TegaDigital is now at AfD. Articles for deletion/TegaDigital. NickelShoe 04:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

All India Football Federation
Hi Oldelpaso,

Can you please have a look at the article and see if the Clean-up tag can go now? Thanks -Aabha (talk) 06:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. -Aabha (talk) 03:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Football AID 12 March - 18 March
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English football champions
It wasn't as much the number of teams (the number of teams does not reveal whether they played two or three times against each other, anyways) - it was more the exact number of matches played I was looking for, either for the entire team or the specific top scorers. Fore example, 60 goals/season would be more or less impressive depending on a season of 38 or 50 (or 24) games. To not have the same text of xx goals/xx games, you could include a small notice in the "history" section on the changes in league structure (if there ever was any changes), or perhaps link to an already existing article on that topic (if it exists). Poulsen 12:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Football AID 19 March - 25 March
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Manchester City F.C.
Tbh, although it's a little longer than Arsenal F.C. or IFK Göteborg, it's not that much, and I don't think it's an obstacle to it being an FA. But some trimming I would make:


 * Exact date of MCFC PLC being founded is pretty minor too.
 * rm "the most prestigious knockout tournament in English football"
 * Trim the first paragraphs of the 1960s & 1970s section, rm reference to the "Ballet on Ice" match or the fifteenth place.
 * I'd keep Law's backheel against the Reds. :-)
 * "One such example was the signing of Steve Daley, which broke the British transfer record." could just become "such as Steve Daley" - I can see some other parts of the article which could be similarly reduced, but maybe it's easier if I just give them a go myself?
 * Cut out the recent 3-0/4-3 reverse against Spurs (as it had no long-term impact) and merge the last two paras.

If I were you, I'd also convert slashes in seasons to hyphens to conform with Wikipedia practice, and expunge references to "summer" to avoid offending antipodean Wikipedians (I got done for this in Arsenal's FAC). As I said, I'll give the article a quick going over (I can spot lots of minor niggles and style issues that are easier to correct myself than tell you at length about) to boot. :-) Qwghlm 22:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Peer review/Solar panel/archive1
Now that I've addressed the concerns listed, I want you to take a look at the article and see if there's anymore suggestions you have. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 01:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

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Stand Up Sit Down
I have permission to use the text, from the website owner.

Can you tell me where I have used a bias slant as I will change this.

FIFA World Cup
Hello, it's nice to know that people want to make it featured. There are some things that can be improved, though: Actually, we may not need to do all of this, it's more of a perfectionist approach :) Conscious 18:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It'd be nice to have an image of some World Cup match or victory celebration.
 * The history section may need to be split off.
 * During the PR and FAC, some questions about the history have been asked. It'd be nice to do some research and answer them:
 * From Daniel Case:
 * What were the earlier tiebreaking methods?
 * Are the any countries that have never participated in the Cup?
 * Emir Sabah's decision to personally argue with the ref at Valladolid in 1982, the role of soccer victories in propping up the Argentinian and Brazilian military governments (05:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC))
 * From Joao Ricardo:
 * What about political influence (Mussolini in 1934, Football War in 1970)?
 * What was the story of cancelling the World Cup in 1942 and 1946?
 * How did media coverage on the event change?


 * Thanks for the extensive copyediting on this page! It was a main concern of many who commented at FA. — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 05:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Added another history thingy we need to research. — Ian Manka Talk to me‼
 * I also appreciate your copyediting work. If the article is submitted, I'm ready to try to fix any arising problems. Conscious 11:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * See the nomination. Conscious 16:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "I'm not ready yet" -- oops, too late. :P — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 20:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

It looks like we'll make FIFA World Cup to FA status, and it is mostly due to your copyediting! Therefore, I award you this barnstar, for your tireless copyediting of the FIFA World Cup article. — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 20:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

(barnstar moved to userpage)

As for trying to remove content that isn't valuable to the article as a whole, I think what is there now should stay -- though I half-considered removing it all and just leaving the daughter article link :P (to reduce size). But that didn't make any sense. Enjoy the barnstar, and I'd give you like three more, but I don't know if I can do that :P. Cheers! — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 03:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

World Cup
Ok, that's fine. I actually realised what a silly mistake I had made after I had posted the Afd! --Differentgravy 11:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

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FC Molodechno
yes, FK Maladzechna-2000 is the same team (first, it changed name few times, adding and removing 2000; second, it is usually unclear how to translate city names to English - it could be FC Maładečna as well). It is playing at the third level now, being at the highest level in 2003 for the last time. There is generally too little info about teams playing at the low levels here, sorry :(. They had their official site at http://fcmolodechno2000.com when they were up.

Feel free to ask if there are any more questions :). --Monk 12:57, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

van Persie
I'm not totally convinced - the claim is prefixed with the phrase [His agent] is understood..., though whether the rumour is that RVP is Muslim, or merely that his agent helped convert him, I'm not sure. The Standard is a ghastly little rag, especially when it comes to its sports coverage, and to me doesn't carry the authority of a broadsheet or major broadcaster. If that's the only article (nearly a year old) that makes any hint, it doesn't really convince me. Qwghlm 20:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that if he was Muslim he should have changed his name on shirt to Muslim one... --Monk 09:15, 19 April 2006 (UTC)