User talk:Oldelpaso/Archive 10

Oxford United Peer Review
Hi Oldelpaso. I am currently having a peer review on Oxford United F.C. before i take it to FAC and i would really value any suggestions you have towards improvement. Thanks, Eddie6705 (talk) 15:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. I was wondering how to update a newer version of an image (the league positions graph). Do i upload it from scratch or update it somewhere else? Eddie6705 (talk) 17:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Final version
As a contributor to the discussion regarding sports team logos, I am soliciting feedback as to the latest version of that guideline. Your support/opposition/feedback would be appreciated. — BQZip01 — talk 21:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

RE:William McGregor
I have the article on my watchlist and have watched as the article has taken shape in glorious fashion. I will dig out the books tommorrow and I should have time to expand it as much as I can. Regards, Woody (talk) 16:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find any extra information in the couple of books that I have. They duplicate what is already in the article, and for the most part, actually expand on that information. Sorry I couldn't be of any help. Regards, Woody (talk) 17:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

The article's now had a fairly extensive PR. I didn't agree with all his points but have actioned most. I'm now thinking of closing the PR and sending it to FAC. I'll credit it as a co-nomination with yourself, if that's cool, as you did the bulk of the work which took it from "mere" GA quality to potential FA..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:49, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Scotch Professors
If the fellow is capable of accepting No original research and NPOV then i dont doubt it can be resolved but given the mentality which leads to this edit and the attitude displayed here im not overly hopeful. siarach (talk) 16:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Christ Bongo
--Dravecky (talk) 04:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Signature
It's not actually in the signature, I do it like this: random quote from music linking to stuff. DeMoN 2009  14:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Sudell
All British armed forces commissions (and honours and decorations) have been published in the London Gazette since the late 17th century, and fortunately it's all online. Sometimes though becaause of the way the old copies have been scanned in, trying to track down entries can be a bit hit and miss. Sudell wasn't too bad, though it proved to be a slightly more common surname than I expected. David Underdown (talk) 12:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

FAC
No worries, I'll mop up anything that arises. Enjoy the sights and sounds of Copenhagen, I've heard it's very nice. I have to regularly deal with customers in Denmark at work, but the tightwads have yet to cough up to send me there in person :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Wartime guests
Soccer at War – 1939 - 45 by Jack Rollin is very good for wartime league appearances but it only covers English League clubs. Gas Masks for Goal Posts by Anton Rippon also covers the same period but it not so good for individual stats. Some editions of the Who's Who of… series by Tony Matthews also list wartime guests. In addition some individual bios (e.g. Billy Liddell) also cover the era well. I’ll have a read thru my copies and see what I can find. Djln --Djln (talk) 19:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

MCFC Seasons
I think wartime football is no important and the seasons page looks good. Mr Hall of England (talk) 12:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Albert Thompson (footballer born 1848)
User:Spartan has moved the article Albert Thompson (footballer born 1848) to Albert Thompson (1848) for no apparent reason. In my attempts to revert this, I in turn moved it to Albert Thompson (born 1848). Could you possibly move the article back to its original name, as this is the standard disambiguation suffix. Thanks. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

From the Virgin Media 'spammer' - I am providing links to free highlights to combat the posting of matches on YouTube and other sites that host material that violates rights agreements. We have the backing of the FA on this. By giving Wiki users an alternative we hope to combat them. We hope we have your support on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.188.188.18 (talk) 16:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * With regards to links to Youtube etc. it is Wikipedia policy to remove any links to copyright violating material on sight; none ought to be present. In terms of the links you have been adding, there is a distinct commercial interest to your additions. Since legitimate highlights packages are available from multiple providers, e.g. club websites, BT Vision, there is no compelling reason why all English club pages should link to Virgin Media over any other. (note: while my reply here is made in my capacity as one of Wikipedia's administrators, as a volunteer my actions do not imply endorsement by the Wikimedia Foundation) Oldelpaso (talk) 18:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Admin nom
Accepted. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:
Best believe it bruh :) &mdash; neuro  (talk)  12:52, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Meetup/Manchester 5
Hey there. I notice you were interested in attending Manchester 4; we're in the process of organising another one for some time in April. Hope you'll pop along to the page to organise a time and date appropriate for you :). Ironholds (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

William Newton (footballer)
On your Man City players without articles he is listed as: William Newton (1919).

It is very possibly the same man, could you look into it please?--EchetusXe (talk) 12:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Luton Town F.C. peer review
Hi mate,

Yes, I do intend to take it to FAC. Thanks for your comments, I've executed them all now. Can you please continue to help?

Thanks, 0 0 0  Clifton  ian  0 0 0  16:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

9-0
That would be lovely, mate. Btw, I do believe you said that you had a book that could help to expand the North Road (stadium) and Bank Street (stadium) articles. Any chance you could help with that? – PeeJay 12:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Nominated English football champions as FLRC
nominated List of English football champions for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OdinFK (talk • contribs)

1930 FIFA World Cup
The above article is being re-assessed as part of the GA Sweeps project The re-assessment has been placed on hold. It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass; otherwise it will fail. See Talk:1930 FIFA World Cup for things needing to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Sardines
Heh. Enigmatic am I...! It's down to a perpetual habit of visiting my mother in her expatriated location. Fourteen times in the last four years. Thank goodness for Ryanair (and I bet I'm one of the only people in the world who say that and mean it...!) The Rambling Man (talk) 16:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure the island isn't named after the stinking fish. But I don't mind perpetuating the myth.  Yeah, Moustachioed one needs a touch more polish and then he'll be winging his awesome self over to FAC...  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Herbert Chapman FA
Bugger! I thought I already had! :) I'm off on holiday next week so it might have to wait till I get back so I can give the FAC my full attention, but thanks for reminding me! Qwghlm (talk) 20:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Manchester Football
Thanks for your message re Utd-Arsenal attendance. I'm a bit of an attendance nut and have researched the attendance records, support etc. for both Manchester clubs for a couple of decades. If there's anything I can contribute to or help with let me know. Delighted you've spent so much time boosting the material on the Manchester clubs. Beanoboggs (talk) 11:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Manchester City
My next target is a top to bottom revamp of History of Manchester City F.C., but whether I get around to it is another matter. Oldelpaso (talk) 12:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Love to help if time allows. I've probably got a lot I can add. Let me know when things start moving. Beanoboggs (talk) 08:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I do have Manchester The Greatest City (both versions) and, apart from one or two of the recent biographies (which I'll get over the next couple of months) I've got near enough every book on City (and the major works on Utd). Although I've done a lot on Wikipedia over the last few days, I don't go on here that often and probably won't be updating much due to other commitments over the next few months. If you ever want me to check anything in one of the books though, send me a message. Beanoboggs (talk) 15:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Peru national football team
Hello Oldelpaso. Yes, I (and the other contributors) would greatly appreciate it if you could provide more of your insightful opinion on the article's talk page. It would be a privilege to learn more about improving articles from a person with such a fantastic record in helping promote articles to FA, especially since you led the FAC of the Scotland football team (which was the main model that I used in order to improve the Peru football team article). Thanks again for your suggestions and offer to continue providing improvements to the article. Feel free to contact me again if you ever think I may be able assistance to you.--&#91;&#124;!*//MarshalN20\\*!&#124;&#93; (talk) 01:53, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello again Oldelpaso. I started a peer review for the article (to make the matter more "formal" for a future FA review to look at) Peer review/Peru national football team/archive1. I added several of the suggestions you gave the article during the FA review, and would be honored if you could provide some more of your insightful input for the article. Thank you.--//&#91;*&#93;MarshalN20&#91;*&#93;\\ (talk) 13:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Warkie
Hey, thanks for your comments at the FAC. I was wondering if you had some good alternative sources for his time at Liverpool? I can easily draught out some more of what happened to Liverpool while he was there but other than that I have to rely on his autobiography for anything more detailed and personal. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I've expanded the section a little bit. Ultimately he made 70 league appearances in four seasons (or three and a bit) so it wasn't brilliant, but you were right, the 84/85 season was exceptional.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Tube 69
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CE%91%CE%95_%CE%9F%CE%BB%CF%85%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%82_%CE%A3%CE%A6%CE%A0 translate it.. It will be on the football court around mid of AUGUST AS EVERY YEAR.... AND THE FOOTBALL SQUAD TEMPLATE IS RED

CHECK SOME PAGES AS : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.L._Benfica /  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_F.C._Reserves_and_Academy&action=edit&section=5 ..AND MANY MANY MORE ..

SO PLZ DONT DO THAT ALL THE YEAR AROUND THANX AND I HOPE YOU LL CHANGE IT AROUND..

CU

Vandal
Stop vandalising the list, okay?!! Joke. Please continue to "modify" it - if you spot any other gaps, go for it. Much cheer to you. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

City of Manchester Stadium FAR
nominated City of Manchester Stadium for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Thankyou,  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 06:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

England hat-tricks
Hey Oldelpaso, thanks for your comments and now support at the above FLC. Any chance I could ask you to cap your comments as the FLC is already becoming borderline WP:TLDR! Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I can teach you a thing or two?! It's easy - you can use ... all the stuff you said ..., and that way it caps it, with your signature and timestamp.  Go on, give it a try... you might like it... The Rambling Man (talk)
 * Well, if you could throw some references into List of Premier League stadia, that would be just dandy? I'm struggling with reliable sources for a lot of the "first used" dates... The Rambling Man (talk) 12:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I don't like co-ords either. Perhaps a little map for each one would be best.  Anything else you could help with would be ace. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

City of Manchester Stadium
Hi there - i've made some suggestions at the FARC talk page (but think the article is a keep) - check them out when you can. regards. hamiltonstone (talk) 03:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's been kept, but could you find a ref for that last sentence I pointed out? See Featured article review/City of Manchester Stadium/archive1. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 23:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Alan Martins
I'm still confused, to be fair. So it's OK to "copy over" the contents of Alan Martin (Scottish footballer), a page with history, to the existing Alan Martin (footballer born 1989), leaving the history behind at (Scottish footballer), now a redirect? I thought we were supposed to keep a page's history all together? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough (I think), thanks, Struway2 (talk) 12:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, hello.
Just saw you at RfC and thought I would drop a line. How's it going? :) — neuro  (talk)  20:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Kinkladze FA
Why was Georgi Kinkladze not made an FA? All the problems were addressed and there was only one oppose vote. Spiderone (talk) 16:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A damn shame, one of my favourite articles too. I would have loved to see it on the front page one day. Spiderone (talk) 16:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

GAN notice
Hi Oldelpaso, you currently have at least one article up a WP:GAN in the Sports and recreation section. In an attempt to clear out the backlog there, User:Wizardman asked all sports WikiProjects to review at least two articles from that section. I'm now going around and asking anybody with an article nominated under Sports and recreation to review at least one article in that section to help us clear the backlog out so your articles can finally be reviewed faster!  iMatthew  talk  at 15:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

1904 FA Cup Final
Hi my name is Will, nice to meet you. I'll be reviewing the above article for GA. Is there anything I should know before I begin or anything you want to tell me?-- Will C  23:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll start the review process now.-- Will C  17:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There are two small matters left at Talk:1904 FA Cup Final/GA1 that I need fixed before I can pass the article. Thought to tell you this, in case you didn't know.-- Will C  01:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I just passed the article. Sorry it took so long, I forgot about the review.-- Will C  08:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

FAR listing: MCFC
nominated Manchester City F.C. for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 21:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

2009 UEFA Champions League Final PR
I've left you some replies at the 2009 UEFA Champions League Final peer review. Thanks. – PeeJay 21:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Bert Trautmann
Just like to say thanks for the Bert Trautmann article. I thought it deserved to be TFA because we haven't had a football related article on there for a while. Spiderone 18:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * For me, the best thing about the Trautmann article is it actually tells a nuanced and interesting story. The subjects of some FAs are simply not that interesting or worthy of our time. It's great to see a TFA which makes us think, captures the spirit of the time and makes us form an opinion about it. Good work Oldelpaso. (PS down the Blue shite, booooo!) Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) Join WikiProject Athletics!  18:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. When someone has a life story as captivating as he does, the article practically writes itself. Oldelpaso (talk) 08:46, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

City FAR
No worries. I'd almost forgotten about it! Have we preserved the bronze star? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, well if anything does crop up you need a hand with, don't hesitate to give me a shout. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Biting
The subject does not look notable to me, Feel free to add some content. Off2riorob (talk) 17:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say there is no notability, but that is just me, if I find an article without citations, I know this story, it is news and advertising in an attempt to become notable, this person is the first act to be advertised by gary barlow and he is attempting to move into management, I thought to be notable you had to have a degree of long term publicity, album release today or tomorrow or whatever, is an album release notability? I would say album sales reflects notability, anyway I don't care much, if you think it is better I won't tag anything as speedy. Off2riorob (talk) 18:15, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

You've nearly got me...
'30 WC-> just check the page references - be consistent so ref 3 should be p. 10 not p10, same for ref 39. Check others. Then I'll be happy to strike out the oppose and re-review the article! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

City, Spurs, 4-3 again?
Hey. Just a quick note to say I'm heading down to White Hart Lane next week to see a re-run of the famous City victory over the mighty Spurs. Paying through the nose for it, mind you, but my City buddy assures me that it'll be as good as the FA Cup comeback match (I even have that on DVD). Wish me luck. Can't be any worse than watching Ipswich miss 20 shots every match.... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I suspect I'm going to watch the most expensive 0-0 of my life! Still, atmosphere and all that.  And I've never been to the Spurs so that's another life-experience-moment.  I'll be giving it my full "Blue Moon"... (although I did watch City play Ipswich at Portman Rd a few years ago, City were doing well in the Championship, my lot were in the doldrums of the Prem, City ran out 4-1 winners, and I'd agreed to sit (i.e. stand) in the away end that night.  "Yay, another City goal!!".  Punishment for something I must have done in a former life....) The Rambling Man (talk) 16:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Good work on the 1930 WC. What a let-down last night for City.  I don't think I've ever seen them play worse... Adebayour and Robinho might as well have not been there... Tsk. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel more than free (in fact, feel encouraged) to ping me if you choose to do a peer review or even if you just go to FAC with the next WC article. I think Sparky's time is now limited... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Ardwick Athletic F.C.
Is any of this true? I know for a fact that the club was never called Ardwick Athletic, the badge looks well fake for a club of that era, and the article was created by the editor behind the obvious hoax London City F.C, so I was planning on AfDing it, but wondered whether any of it was potentially worth merging into the main club article. As it's all unsourced, it's hard to tell...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Ardwick players
Hey OEP. I've been working on bringing the City season articles up to date. It's going to be a very long slog, but I reckon I can at least get 10-20 done before I need to give myself a real break and get my mind off it. Anyway, after doing some work on the more recent ones I decided to change tack and started working on the articles for the very start of City's existence. I've put up a couple already and am working on the 1892-93 article at the moment but one thing I've noticed is that half the players have no articles (for obvious reasons, I guess). I noticed that you've done a bit of work on a few articles for players from that period, so I was wondering if you could help me a bit. Obviously I'm not asking you to create the articles for the players missing articles, neither would I want to cajole you into doing research for it, and not least because of your broken arm (get well soon, incidentally) but I was wondering if you would simply know where I could find the info for these players - what your sources are. Otherwise, any useful info or ideas you might be able to throw my would be very much appreciated.

While I'm on this note, if you are so inclined (and again, don't feel like I'm forcing you) any feedback you have on my work would be well-received. I shamelessly admit that my primary motivation for writing these articles is to not let City be outdone by the United season articles on Wikipedia, and if possible to exceed their level of detail, but I'm also trying to give as much detail as I can in as decent a way as I can, and to that end I'm essentially trying to replicate the 2009-10 article for every season. If you've got any ideas on what else I can do, or anything that you think should be changed/removed, do holler.

All in your own time, though, especially with the broken arm. Don't let me badger you into writing long replies to me or taking up your time if you need to be doing other things. It was merely an idle thought that you might have better info than I, and any feedback I can get on my work is great. No rush to reply. Falastur2 Talk 04:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I have no books of anything of that sort on City - it probably comes with the territory, being a City exile who's parents moved to Hertfordshire before I was born, and neither of whom follow football very strongly (my dad is in fact - or was - a Toffee, but made no attempt to ever convert me) though I have heard of Gary James on a number of occasions. I want to get some of the popular books but am going through a cash-flow crisis at the moment, coming out of University at the wrong point of the economic downturn and all, but I'll look to get my hands on some of them. Thanks for the heads up. It's fine about you not being inclined towards season articles, by the way. For the longest time after I worked on some of the more insignificant tournaments (2006 OFC Cup in Oceania, for instance) I just lost interest in season articles too. Good luck on FA class for your World Cup project, by the way. I never was much good at writing prose for season articles, but I'm sure you'll do a great job. On the subject of reviewing my efforts, maybe I'll give a shout to PaulBradbury, but thanks for your time all the same. I'll check back on your list of sources when I have more money and try to get me some of those books. Thanks again.  Falastur2  Talk 11:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

"Outstanding"
Cheers for the spot - I'd forgotten/blocked out that one -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Turf Moor
Thanks for the tip, do you actually have the book in question? I seriously doubt I'll have time to visit a library before the FAC is up so if you do would you be able to give me a few passages, etc. Cheers -- Big  Dom  17:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Template policy discussion
You are invited to help consider a common template policy for all WP:SPORTS biography articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sports.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

New, worthy City articles?
Hey OEP. It's me back to bug you (sorry).

As you probably know I've had a self-implemented underlying project to update Man City on Wikipedia in terms of article volume to bring us into line with other clubs as prestigious as us or more, for self-respect as much as anything. The bulk of my work has been on my set of City season articles, which now stretches from 1890 to 1915, and which I will not stop at until I've entirely finished. However, writing 25 of those things gets monotonous and I'd enjoy another project just for a few hours to let me have some fun drawing totally different tables and researching something other than match appearances. One thing I'd noticed recently is a quantity of "xxx F.C. in Europe" articles, a trend which I'm expecting to only continue until any self-respecting club has one, which set me thinking. Should we consider adding a page like this for City? And for that matter, are there any other pages it would be worthwhile to add, either to keep up with continuing trends or to be a trend-setter ourselves? As you have probably been made aware by my early blundering with my season articles, I don't have any sources except Wikipedia and mcfcstats.com at present, so I'm personally limited to low-prose articles, but I'm happy to take on any challenge I have the information for. What I don't want to do, however, is jump two feet first into a project which is either entirely superfluous, or undesirable/unpopular with the other regular City fans on Wikipedia. Thus, I wanted to test the water for your opinion - I will also be consulting Paul Bradbury on this (though sadly he appears to have gone AWOL recently), and I welcome other users getting involved if they have any comments to make, though to be honest I'm only aware of the three of us as regular City-supporting contributors (exception of a couple of guys who update the 2009-10 City season article, and whom I've never had any contact with). I'm not asking you to commit any effort yourself to such a project (wouldn't turn down the help, of course, but I quite enjoy something like this to focus my mind on), I simply want to know whether you think it's a good idea or not. In the meantime, I may well make a test page on my subspace, so check the revision history there to see if I've added such a page in the last few hours or days and you might get a taster of what I'm thinking of - unless I have a brainwave or someone else gives me some ideas, though, I'll just follow what most clubs have on their pages at present.

Anyway, thanks for your time. Would love to hear any ideas you might have. Falastur2 Talk 02:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Somewhat like myself - I'm pretty couch potato-like myself and I'm considering starting an Open University course in October. I could never run a marathon though. What are you studying, out of interest?
 * In response to your reply, I've actually already drafted up a City in Europe article - or the basis of one. You can check it out here. It is, however, just the stats - as I say, I'd like to get some prose in there but I'm not sure I have the sources for it. As for your other ideas, they're good points. I'd probably wait to start a "City players with less than 100 appearances" until I'd finished my City articles as I'm not sure that mcfcstats.com has full details on its player stats pages to do such a thing, but by reverse engineering the data, so to speak, by making the season articles and adding up appearances season by season I could work it out with 100% accuracy. As for bringing the current article about players with 100+ appearances to FL status - another good idea, what exactly is involved in such a thing? And should we not take up Gillingham's lead and alter "List of players with 100+ appearances" to List of players with 50+ appearances" or something similar? Otherwise the list of players with less than 100 is going to be about 20 times longer than the list of players with 100 or more. Any other ideas while we're at it? I like building up a pool of ideas so that I have a number of things to go on. Falastur2  Talk 13:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't suppose you would look over my attempt at the City in Europe article and see what you think? I was hoping for a bit more bulk, but honestly I'm not sure what else I'd add. Any thoughts? Falastur2  Talk 01:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

City players
Hey Oldelpaso, it was a pleasure to see your name on my talkpage. Hope all is well with you. As for your question, well how pertinent. There's been (yet another) debate over "completeness" vs "WP:LENGTH" versus "inclusion criteria", as a result of a current FLC. I think we're yet to gain a consensus across the project, but certainly LENGTH (despite others saying this is silly these days) is of paramount concern to me (having browsed Wikipedia in some of the more remote areas of our planet). Completeness/defined criteria are where it's at for me. Right now we have plenty of precedents for defining a set of reasonable inclusion criteria. The biggest issue you'll have, if you expand to 50 appearances, say, is that someone will say, "why 50?". I've tried to answer that and got nowhere. The only definitive answer is to list each and every player (which, as you know, would list into the several hundreds) and using sorting templates etc, would not just upset LENGTH, it'd kill the list dead. So a compromise must be found, which we seem to be well away from right now. Ouch. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

re: City in Europe
Thanks for your comments. I wasn't sure whether you had taken a prolongued leave of absence or not so I ended up adding the page yesterday, but it's no problem; I'll get to implementing your changes. The only thing I have a resultant query with is your comment about the non-UEFA competitions. I had the same thing on my mind as I wrote the page, but I wanted to add them as I thought it was worthy of noting, I thought they were regarded as more than just friendlies at the time, which I regard to be the important thing, and finally partly a bit of personal pride, or perhaps envy at the other pages, to bulk out the article. I'll do as you suggest but perhaps it would be worthwhile to simply separate them into a UEFA section and a non-UEFA section? That way they're all noted but there can be no confusion about the equivalence of the tournaments - their status will be laid out clearly and it can be up to the reader to decide whether they value the info or not. I would cite precedent but I can't - as inspired my leading paragraph, City really do seem to have a history playing in those tournaments which Chelsea, Man Utd, Spurs, etc etc etc who all have their own "XXX in Europe" article just don't have. Indeed if I did say so myself I'd venture that City were perhaps one of England's most preeminent teams in the non-UEFA competitions, and I reckon that's worth displaying.

I'll implement my suggested changes in my personal subpage (that is to say, this one) immediately - hopefully they'll be up long before you read this message (it shouldn't take 5 minutes) so please do go there to see how such changes will lay out, and whether you approve.

On a final comment, regarding your P.S. about wartime players, that's fair enough though I will continue to record their stats in the wartime season articles, simply because it's encyclopedic to do so. Thanks for your input, and for your constant assistance in various capacities (not least as a second opinion, as I prefer bouncing opinions off people than blindly implementing). Falastur2 Talk 14:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Quick request
Hey OEP. Sorry to be constantly plaguing you. I was just wondering if you had any books which cover scores during the WW1 years. I appear to have hit upon an inaccuracy in mcfcstats' otherwise brilliant coverage. Falastur2 Talk 20:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I was aware, yes, and very sad it was when I heard the news. I'm also aware that his son is trying to revamp the site. Could you possibly look up some scores for me? It's the subsidiary tournament (lancashire section, group C) of the 1918-19 season - it was a four team tournament so it will only be 6 games. In your own time, of course. I have plenty of jobs I can get on with if you are busy for a few days or weeks. I will eventually get that book, by the way, but having only just started a job on minimum wage, I'm somewhat strapped for cash at present. Falastur2  Talk 18:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Very interesting (the results). Thing is, the numbers don't add up. The number of goals conceded is 5 whereas my reference for the goals conceded says 4. What's more, my reference's numbers add up - that is to say, City's 4 conceded + other teams' conceded = all teams' scored. If City really conceded 5, another team according to the table on my userpage should have scored one goal extra. Without info on Port Vale, Stoke or Man Utd, I can't work out who it was either. Somewhere down the line, there's a problem and I don't think I have the resources to fix it. My source, by the way, is the normally impeccable rsssf.com. But anyway, thanks for your help OEP. Your assistance was gratefully received, I am much obliged.
 * Incidentally, that link (the EA talent scout thing) is interesting. I don't know much about it but it's a curious offer and it's certainly appealing. Only problem is that EA is only interested in present-day footballers and I'm not sure I have any knowledge about our current team that 100,000 other people don't have. I kind of wish that EA would give more information about the roles, I'm not really sure whether I'm what they're looking for or not. Or was the comment just some wry humour about my lack of cash? Falastur2  Talk 21:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I looked on there myself and didn't find any records for the war years - maybe they were somewhere else. But anyway, thanks OEP. You're truly a legend. Falastur2  Talk 18:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Corriere dello Sport
if you understand italian I can explain the "trick" to read every page in that site, emeroteca.coni.it..93.32.244.17 (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Manchester United F.C.
If you get a chance, I'd appreciate if you gave this article the once over and put your thoughts on the peer review page.

Many thanks,

Tom Tomlock01 (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi! I know you gave this article an (excellent) peer review, which I feel I dealt with. Its now a FA candidate, I wonder if you would be able to comment on this (whether you support or oppose)? Thanks, Tom Tomlock01 (talk) 20:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Jamen Somasu
Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Jamen Somasu If your offer of mentorship still stands, I think you have the community's blessing. Sandman888 (talk) 18:24, 25 June 2010 (UTC)