User talk:Oldsingerman20

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. Respond on my talkpageMrhorseracer (talk) 02:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Much water has gone under the bridge since mrhorseracer made this unfair, unfounded, and empty threat. She has since stopped trying to control the New Guinea Singing Dog article because we proved to her she couldn't get away with it. She thought she had more rights and privilages than the rest of wikipedia's editors. She soon found out such was not the case. Her wholesale slaughter of other editors work was brought to a sudden halt! osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 21:31, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Promise, part II
You wrote.

Very gracious of you to give others permission to edit. The right is not yours to give. You came onto the article and vandalized the work of everyone who had already contributed. You continue to delete the link to NGSDI. What gives you that right? Why do you think suggested reading has to be published material? Is it because you have published material you want to promote? Another question for the administrator. Is wikipedia about promoting personal gain?Oldsingerman20 (talk) 19:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC).

You are more than welcome to add your link to your club - BUT, per Wiki rules (WP:NPOV), it must be neutral. Put the link in neutral and it stays there. No Facebook promotion like you did either or my favorite pet bot will snuff you out (again)- your club is the promoter, but me. Published literature/reading prevents and implies peer reviewed article. If you club has a peered reviewed article, by all means, add it.--Mrhorseracer (talk) 20:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mrhorseracer"

Promise, part II
Old...your wrote

Congratulations on successfully taking over the NGSD wiki page. Both matznick and the NGSDCS should be pleased too since by vandalizing our work, references and links, you have monopolized the page for them. Now if you can just get me kicked off wiki, you'll have completed your plan. Sadly, it won't work that way. As long as one of us lives and breathes we will fight to give credit to others who have contributed to NGSD and their conservation. We understand that fear drives you to exclude others and enthrone matznick and the society, and feel sorry for your insecurity, but hurting others isn't the answer. We could have lived side by side in peace, but you won't leave it alone. Very well then. Next let's ask an administrator to make some wiki decisions. Justice will be served.Oldsingerman20 (talk) 17:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Clarification - you are welcome to add to the article in a NPOV and with factual data, referenced to published literature/facts. This is what Wikipedia is built on. This is not my page - all the editors that adhere to the rules of wiki are welcome.--Mrhorseracer (talk) 18:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

You might want to have your two friends...
If you bothered to noticed, neither Wendt nor SongD have talk pages. I really don't want to create there pages, like I did with yours. Since you talk to them daily, you might want them to do so. Makes it easy to communicate.Mrhorseracer (talk) 02:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll check number - you may be right
I'll see if the number is accurate and will advise. Give me a week. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrhorseracer (talk • contribs) 17:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

how about this as a compromise
You are correct in saying that the citation is old, but it still is valid, regardless of age - however, people need to know how many Singer there are now- frankly none of us know. How about this as a compromise text - "In 1995, the entire captive population was estimated at 300, but today there may be as few as 200." BTW, some other editor months ago slapped on citation on the number of dog reference, which is why I added the citation. Let me know if this is suitable.Mrhorseracer (talk) 23:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

deal
Ok - I'll add the compromise in the next day or soMrhorseracer (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll check reference of 6000 years
Give me a week.Mrhorseracer (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC) Put a fact citation on both of your concerns

reference is on the history page
I'll change the page to reflect not the overview, but rather the history.Mrhorseracer (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC).

Question on citation 3 you mentioned on my talk page
This is reference within a reference problem. Actual quote is from a 2007 publication from Helgen, and I believe it would be better to directly refer specifically to his published article. I'll need to dig it outMrhorseracer (talk) 23:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Is there anything you want to add to the site.
Since you have been suggesting ways to make the NGSD article more accurate, with better citation to the science (I'm all for that!), is there something you want to add? As long as the addition is not conjecture and meets the wikipedia requirements for proper documentation, let's talk about what to add. I have some suggestions also.Mrhorseracer (talk) 23:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Repetition
A reference to United Kennel Club is made twice in the article. If no one objects I'd like to remove the first one since the second one also refers to ARBA and should be in the article. Several other registries also register and provide pedigrees for NGSD. They should also be listed. I will make these changes in 2-5 days.Oldsingerman20 (talk)

Adding A Section
I'd like to add a section to the article and title it "Further Suggested Reading" This section will contain references to articles other than those already cited. The reason for the new section is that mrhorseracer came along and deleted all nonpublished references. In our opinion, there are numerous unpublished articles and works in progress that offer substantial reader information. mrhorseracer deleted the references to unpublished work and we'd like to reinstate it. We will begin the revisions within 2-5 days.Oldsingerman20 (talk) 18:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Don remember that wiki frowns (prohibits) unpublished readings.  I have unpublished items that I could add and really should not. --Mrhorseracer (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back to the nuthouse
Color is a physical description. I was bold and removed. --Mrhorseracer (talk) 02:12, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Color
Olds20, you did that just to see if I was around, you could of contacted moi first, but I understand why you did what you did. The real issue like I hinted at, is the questio of whether there is an actually "breed standard" for Singers and should that be part of this mix. Maybe we can work something out like last time. Oh, I hear Benji is a hybrid--192.35.35.34 (talk) 21:39, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

MRH I figured you'd change it. What else is new? I'm going to put it back as I think your color description is very incomplete and one of us will surely be fixing it. I really don't care whether you think color is part of physical description or not. I think it should be added to clarify and I have as much right to an opinion as you. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 02:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Olds20, We can work stuff out like last time or battle. Your pick. I have a couple of suggestions to improve on your color improvements and yes, I may have been a wee bit quick on revert on the singer colors - my apologies.Mrhorseracer (talk) 02:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Color
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying and I'm not good at riddles or trying to outguess others, but I changed the colors simply because we want them to be correct so when people read the article, they go away with a better understanding of the color variety in NGSD. The previous coloration explanation was sorely inadequate. As for me seeing whether you were around, I don't think so as I'm not directing any changes towards any one person and I don't recognize you. Re the breed standard for Singers, there is a breed standard with United Kennel Club. All this breed business is up in the air. I haven't decided as yet where I stand on these issues. I would recommend leaving out any mention of a breed standard in this article at this time as I don't think the timing is proper right now and any mention of it would cloud several issues. I think it would simply be like throwing gasoline on a fire. We will see what happens down the road. My intention is to provide decent verifiable information in an honest and professional manner. I do not wish to step on any one person's toes. I am upset with mrh because of her manner of taking over and blatantly discarding other editors' work. That's all. Before she took over, there was a better mix of references. Now it's almost entirely the Conservation Society and matznick. Granted they are fine references, but they seem to be redundant and I feel there could be other sources cited. That's a project for other days. As for Benji, it would take a DNA test to ascertain his purity and if he's entering the breeding program, he should be tested if there's any doubt at all. Where did you hear that about him being a hybrid?? Inquiring minds want to know. This is the forst time we've heard it mentioned. At one time Darkie was questionable probably due to his coloration but that issue seemed to subside after a few years and now only a few of us even remember it at all. Tired. Need to shut down. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 04:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I have some suggestions for color. Do you want to hear them?Mrhorseracer (talk) 02:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Compliment
Inu, My wife and I feel your opening sentence in the section "Relationships with Humans" is very well written. Will you be including any "modern" "relations with humans" information?? osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 19:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well thank you. But currently I have no additional factual data about this topic and as you know I can only use peer reviewed data as a real basis. Other stuff like newspaper articles, well newspaper... you probably know what the problem with that is. I will update the old singer article tomorrow and than I'm sure the real war will start because I would be suprised if Chrisrus will give up so easily on his claims (which s/he calls data). I just had to undo the damage s/he had done to the dingo article. They were not only unnecessary, it was also sloppy work. So, until next time. I'm sure with the new NGSD version coming up, you will here from me again.--Inugami-bargho (talk) 19:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Website?
I got the idea somewhere that you had a website. Do you have a website? May I see it? Thanks for your help with the articles! Chrisrus (talk) 15:39, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Me leaving
As for my leaving. It did already cross my mind. Mainly because people like Chrisrus and horseracer don't give up in their zeal. They don't see the flaws in their work and are the cause for many authors in the german wikipedia stating that in the english one it is stubborness that counts not facts. I was planning on further editing the dingo-article because I have new information and I wanted to start an article about the origin of the domestic dog (including the various theories that are and were held by people as well as the pros and cons of the theories plus appropriate graphics) in the german wikipedia. But all this here no longer gives me the time for this, just because a few persons refuse to learn for good.--Inugami-bargho (talk) 18:49, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

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Korean Nureongi dogs
Can you see this website? These are suposedly the special "livestock" dogs of South Korea. They look a bit like Jindo dogs, but a bit like dingoes as well. Some are clearly mixed, but, in your expert opinion, do they look a bit Canis lupus dingo to you?

By the way, I just started a new page, Nureongi, about this dog type. Some sources claim that this word refers to a special "breed" of dog that is specifically bred for this and never used as pets. Other souces seem to be saying that the word refers to a mongrel or mixed breed dog. If this turns out to be a hoax, a real breed, or something in between, I would like the article to say so. Feel free to help! Chrisrus (talk) 02:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Chris, Guess they don't have USDA over there! It happens that I've been reading about the Nureongi. Really interesting. Hats off to you for doing an article. As for the dingo types in the film, yes, sure looks like it. Also could be Akita mixes or Shiba mixes too. There are probably other possibilities too. Maybe even Chow Chow(no pun intended). Anyway Spitz types. I'm gonna show this to our New Guinea Singing Dog Yahoo Group and see what kinds of reactions they have. It's really disgusting isn't it? Trashy place. Kind of what we'd expect though. I was in the Navy during the 1960s and we saw a lot of stuff that was less than perfect. Today when I was reading I was shocked at the tonnage of dog meat and even worse the tonnage of dogs used for medicine type remedies. Thanks for the invite. I'll sure keep it in mind. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 04:07, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't find very much to work with about the "Nureongi". I think they do exist to some extent as a breed, albiet one without a real ("Nureongi" seems to mean nothing more than "yellow", reflecting a common name here for the "American Dingo", "Yellow Dog").  So I'm interested to hear that you've been reading about this dog.  Any citable source? Chrisrus (talk) 05:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I did get your joke about the USDA, but it also brings up a point. There are sources, newspaper articles I found, which discuss a plan by Korea to legalize the farming and consumption of dog meat that would take the strategy of classifying specific dogs as livestock, so that it would be under the control of the Korean version of the USDA, which does exist and normally seems to do as good a job as ours does for livestock that is legal to farm and slaughter.  Under this plan, Nureongi would be classified as livestock, but all other dogs as pets.  This would make it legal to farm and eat a dog only if it could be established that they are the particular type of dog that has been bred for it's suitability to a life not too different from that of a domestic pig.  This would have the effect of "breed" recognition for the Nureongi not by the AKC or the UKC or some such, but by the laws of the Korean government.  A very odd case, although a sad one. Chrisrus (talk) 03:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Shiba Inu Singing
Try this: Search for "Shiba Inu Singing" videos on Google, and watch a few of them singing. It's cute and funny, but I'm interested in how a man of your background would react to this, aparently normal Shiba Inu vocalization. Chrisrus (talk) 03:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, have you ever met a Shiba Inu? I did once, and it was very interesting, and I could tell you about that, but I'm more interested in how a man of your background would react to the experience, what you would notice and remark on, what questions you would ask the owner, so I was wondering if you'd ever met one and how you reacted.  Chrisrus (talk) 08:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Your website
This kind of thing: "Eureka!!   Take our hats off to..." may be nice writing, but we're writing an encyclopedia here. Here, we're just reporting what's been published by experts elsewhere. You are an expert and should be publishing this stuff on your own website and then we can use that as a source. What you're doing is using Wikipedia to tell the world what you know about these dogs. You should be using your own website to do this, not Wikipedia. Also, you should be writing a book. Chrisrus (talk) 20:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I removed the bulk of my work from the article. As I understand it, we can't use an organizational website as a source. Is that correct? osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 17:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * We use the best source we can find, that's all. You might want to keep your site where you sell and promote the dogs separate from the site where you publish your own findings, though, if possible.  There's not that much published on these dogs, and a good part of that which has been published has been discredited, so the best source on things like colors of NGSD might very well be you, if we could cite you, which we can't because we don't have a website where you publish your own findings.  Chrisrus (talk) 18:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Again, are we able to cite you as an expert? Where do you publish your findings, the raw data of your observations of these dogs?  Just publish them yourself by putting up a website, it's easy.  Chrisrus (talk) 16:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Landrace
I never thanked you for teaching me the vocabulary word "landrace" by pointing me to the article landrace. We have found it very useful, so thanks! Chrisrus (talk) 22:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the word is really limited in the wiki article. It can be used for a wide variety of animals and plants. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 23:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Nureongi and Canis lupus dingo
You may be interested in these two articles. Chrisrus (talk) 22:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Old Yeller
By the way, if you read the article about the book Old Yeller, it says that the dog was probably a Blackmouth Cur instead of the more obvious Yeller Dog, but it provides no citation for this statement nor any explanation of where this assertion of fact comes from. On the corresponding discussion page, I asked about it and whether anyone would object to it's removal from the article, but no one has responded yet. I suppose the next step would be to go through the article history and track down the editor who wrote that phrase and ask him how he came by this fact. That sounds like a lot of work, though, so I was thinking about just going ahead and deleting it and see if anyone objects or comes along and re-instates it later and ask them how they know this about the type of dog the author of that novel had in mind. What do you think? Chrisrus (talk) 05:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the author may have been thinking of an old yeller dog. There's no mention in the book about Old Yeller being a Blackmouth Cur. So I think the article editor is just supposing. I don't remember the dog(s) Disney used in the movie. They may have used a Blackmouth Cur in the movie which of course is good publicity for the breed. Writing up the breed on wiki is a good way to get lots of free advertisement. It's all suposition unless, as you say, the editor can come up with a citation. Ok, I just looked a a bunch of photos of the dog that played Old Yeller in the original Disney movie. He doesn't strike me as a Blackmouth Cur, but if the editor can prove it some way then power to him/her. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 05:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It turned out you were right about this! I found that the dog who played the part of the movie based on the novel was a blackmouth cur, but that of course doesn't mean that the dog that the novel was referring to was probably a blackmouth cur.  Someone got confused based on the fact that, I'm guessing, someone asked an expert what type of dog Old Yeller was and they thought about the dog actor in the movie and said "probably a blackmouth cur", and was right about that,  but not about the dog in the novel.  So I deleted it from the articles.  This is how urban myths gets started.  There is no rational reason to believe that the dog that the author of the novel Old Yaller was anything other than a Carolina Yaller dog. Chrisrus (talk) 16:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Preservation of NGSD body parts
I was wondering, I hope you don't find this to macabre, but are you able to preserve the remains of your dogs after they pass on? I understand that you might not be able to be all "Smithsonian" about it, but I think whatever you can do may become very valuable one day for science. Sorry if this upsets you; I'd be pretty appalled if someone asked me to keep my dog's skull after he goes, but what will happen if future generations do not continue your good work preserving the bloodlines? Have you thought about that much? Chrisrus (talk) 23:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

...Some of the skeletons have been studied and kept, but all throughout the entire Singer ownership, not nearly enough has been done. What we need to do is have a deep freeze(chest type) that we may use exclusively for Singers who have passed on. I do think that we will do this thing since there seems to be an increasing amount of interest in Singers and there will probably be researchers who want carcasses to study. In the past there has been very little real interest. As for it bothering us, it does not. We have lost so many good friends(dogs and cats, pet skunk, coyote and numerous other small animals). Some that we've been able to count as friends for 15-20 years. We just recently lost a cat we'd loved for almost 22 years. That was a tough one! We long ago adopted the idea that when a being dies the spirit casts off the body and after that the body has no value. We also firmly believe in science and preservation through knowledge so there is no problem with studying animal remains. Two of us are also keeping track of the causes of deaths and any health issues in the population. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 05:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a good photograph of the skull for the article? If you look around at many articles, they have these photographs of the skulls, it's pretty typical of good articles as it tells a lot about the animal, especially distinctive skull shapes and large teeth sources that these sources talk about, that they use to rely to identify C.l.dingos, especially before before genetic testing.  See the article raccoon for example, in the subspecies section, for a typical example.  Do you think that would be a good addition to the C.l.dingo or NGSD or maybe other articles?  I think it'd be sweet if you could have a familiaris carnassial tooth and the NGSD carnassials side-by-side, as that is supposed to be one of the most important identifiers. Chrisrus (talk) 05:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for your contribution to the article Canis lupus dingo! Chrisrus (talk) 03:42, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion of Canis lupus dingo on the Canis lupus talk page.
I want to move the discussion of the Cldingo at the end of the Gray Wolf talk page to the proper place. I'm sorry I got us talking about the wrong thing in the wrong place. I still want him to answer the quesiton about the "new theory" of wolf social structure that he asked. It was supposed to be a by the way thing and I don't want him to get distracted. I hesitate to do so without asking you first as most of it is your text and it didn't seem right to move someone's comments without their permission. So, do you mind if I do that? I want Mario to focus on how he's going to depict Wolf social structures. David Mesh has everyone confused with this, I think. Chrisrus (talk) 16:59, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
Hello. Please review your edits to see the effects before saving. These were particularly strange:   These may help:  Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. Didn't mean to intrude into your territory. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 00:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

New Guinea Singing Dog Article
New Guinea Singing Dog From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search A typical Singing Dog with red coloration. A New Guinea Singing Dog with black & tan coloration.New Guinea Singing Dog or Singer is the name of an ancient, rare breed of primitive dog that once inhabited all of the island of New Guinea. New Guinea Singing Dogs are also known by the names: New Guinea Dingo, Singing Dog, Singer, New Guinea Highland Dog, New Guinea Wild Dog, Hallstrom Dog, New Guinea Highland Wild Dog, and the acronym NGSD. Hardly anything is known about the life, genetic status, social structure, or numbers of these dogs in the wild. All research has been performed on the captive population. Bloodline information and the exact number of captive specimens are not available for publication at this time.

Singing Dogs were probably taken to New Guinea by early travelers thousands of years ago. Free to roam on the large island and isolated from the rest of the world, they developed without influence from other canids. The combination of isolation and long term development produced several characteristics found only in this canine. Today, many New Guinea Singing Dogs are serving as companion and therapy dogs as a part of conservation efforts to focus attention on their exceptional intelligence and physical abilities. Some have been shown in competitive dog shows. When shown in competition, New Guinea Singing Dogs are presented in their completely natural condition with no trimming or alterations of any kind.[1]

Contents [hide] 1 History 2 Classification 3 Build 4 Fur 5 Vocalization 6 Behavior 7 Reproduction 8 Diet 9 Distribution 10 A field study of note 11 Relationship with humans 12 Origin and taxonomic status 13 Genetic status 14 Synopsis 15 Conservation and preservation 16 See also 17 References 18 External links [edit] History The first Singing Dog was taken from New Guinea in 1897. At that time many naturalists killed their specimens and studied them later. Such was the case with the first New Guinea Dingo. It was shot and killed by Sir William MacGregor on Mount Scratchley at an elevation of 7,000 feet.

He sent both the skin and the skeleton, preserved in alcohol, to the Queensland Museum. He described the dog as 11 1/2 inches at the shoulder and primarily black in colour. White markings trimmed the neck, the throat, chest and tip of the tail. Therefore, the first Singer to leave New Guinea was black and white and was in the year 1897.

Fourteen years passed without scientific activity. Finally, in 1911 C.W. DeVis assembled and studied the 1897 black and white coloured specimen. Professor Wood Jones also examined the carcass. Seventeen years passed until the skin and skeleton were again examined in 1928 by H.A. Longman. From 1897 until 1954, this single specimen comprised the scientific community's entire body of knowledge regarding the New Guinea Singing Dog.

Two Singers were captured by Ellis Troughton in 1954, but he underestimated their escape capabilities. They went straight for the local poultry. Many were killed. A political brouhaha ensued and the dogs were given to local natives who killed and ate them.

In 1956, medical assistant Albert Speer and Officer J.P. Sinclair obtained a pair of Singing Dogs in the Lavanni Valley, in the southern highlands. These dogs were sent to Sir Edward Hallstrom who had set up a native animal study center in the western highlands, in Nondugi. He studied them for a time and then sent them on to Taronga Zoo in Sidney. There is no reference as to the coloration of these two Singers.[2]

In 1958, Dr Ellis Troughton examined the two Singer specimens from the Taronga Zoo in Sydney.[3] Subsequently, the New Guinea Singing Dog was classified as a distinct species and was named Canis hallstromi (in honor of Sir Edward Hallstrom). Singing Dogs have been reclassified several times and have variously been called Canis lupus hallstromi or Canis familiaris hallstromi and were either classed as variants of the dingo or domestic dog. In addition, they were also called Canis dingo and Canis dingo hallstromi.[4] Most authors class the New Guinea Singing Dog either as either a separate species or a domestic dog. However Singers are classed, several facts are constant: The NGSD is not genetically or ecologically exchangeable with any other canid population and the NGSD is an evolutionarily significant unit.[5] Mammal Species of the World lists these dogs as part of Canis lupus dingo provisionally separate from Canis lupus familiaris.[6]

[edit] Classification Singing Dogs can tolerate a variety of climates.There has been a great deal of controversy surrounding the taxonomic classification of the New Guinea Singing Dog.

Laurie Corbett, in his book, "The Dingo in Australia and in Asia" (1995} concluded that dingoes were Canis lupus dingo, and as such, are descended from the Grey Wolf.

Dr. Alan Wilton and his co-researchers(A.Wilton et al "Genome-wide SNP and haplotype analyses reveal a rich history underlying dog domestication" Nature|Vol 464|8 April 2010) have proven Singers are genetically matched to Australian Dingoes.

Applying definitions by Fleming et al (2001), New Guinea Singing Dogs should be considered a commensal dog. A commensal dog is a canine that lives or lived in close association with, but independent of humans. The definition for "commensal" fits New Guinea Singing Dogs as well as their counterpart the Australian Dingo.[7]

[edit] Build Compared to other species of the genus Canis, the New Guinea Singing Dog is described as relatively short-legged and broad-headed. These dogs have an average shoulder height of 31–46 cm(13-16 in.) and weigh 9–14 kg(17-25 lbs.). They do not have rear dewclaws.[5]

Frontal view of a Singer's head and front quarters.The limbs and spine of Singers are very flexible, and they can spread their legs sideways to 90°. Another dog with comparable flexibility is the Norwegian Lundehund. Furthermore, they can rotate their front and hind paws more than domestic dogs, which enables them to climb trees with thick bark or branches that can be reached from the ground; however their climbing skills do not reach the same level as those of the gray fox.[8]

Night-picture with noticeable visible green-blacing tapetum.The eyes, which are highly reflective, are almond-shaped and are angled upwards from the inner to outer corners with dark eye rims. Eye color ranges from dark amber to dark-brown. Their eyes glow bright green when bright lights are shined in at them in low light conditions. Researchers believe there are two reasons for the bright reflective glow; not only do the pupils open wider and allow in more light than in other dog breeds, there is also a higher concentration of cells in the tapetum. These two features allow singing dogs to see more clearly in low light, a trait which is unusual in canids.

New Guinea Singing Dogs have erect, pointed, fur-lined ears. As with other wild dogs, the ears perk or lay forward. The ears of domestic dogs lie back. Traits such as forward perking ears are important survival features for this species. The ears can be rotated like a directional receiver in order to pick up the faintest of sounds. Singers' ears are also used to express numerous moods and intentions.

Singer tails should be bushy, long enough to reach the hock, free of kinks, and have a white tip. The tail may be carried erect and curved up over the back in a confident or contented position. A "tucked" tail (one that is held tightly between the back legs) expresses fear, anxiety, illness or pain. They hold their tails straight back when hunting/searching or when moderately anxious or afraid.

[edit] Fur A juvenile Singer with a wide white collar. New Guinea Singing Dog puppies.Pups are born with a dark chocolate brown pelt with gold flecks and reddish tinges, which changes to light brown by the age of six weeks. Adult coloration occurs around four months of age. For adult dogs in the wild, the colors brown, black and tan or black have been reported, all with white points. For dogs in captivity, the colors brown, black with tan on the snout, legs and belly and dark (brown with a strong upper layer of dark-tipped guard hair) have been verified. Brown colored variants include: light brown, reddish-brown or reddish-yellow with lighter shades on the belly, inner surface of the legs and the ventral brush of the tail. The sides of the neck and zonal stripes behind the scapula are golden. Black and very dark guard hair is generally lightly allocated over the hair of the spine, concentrating on the back of the ears and the surface of the tail over the white tip. The muzzle is always black on young individuals. Generally, all colors have white markings underneath the chin, on the paws, chest and tail tip. About one third also have white markings on the muzzle, face and neck. Brindled individuals have not been observed. By 7 years, the black muzzle begins to turn gray.[5]

[edit] Vocalization When they are kept with dogs that bark, Singers may mimic the other dogs.[9]

The New Guinea Singing Dog has a distinctive and melodious howl, which is characterized by a sharp increase in pitch at the start and very high frequencies at the end.[10] According to observations made by Ortolani, the howling of these dogs can be clearly differentiated from that of Australian dingoes, and differs significantly from that of grey wolves and coyotes.

Singers have a distinctive "song" unlike any other animal.An individual howl lasts for 0.5–5 seconds (3 seconds on average). At the start, the frequency rises and stays rather stable for the rest of the howling, but normally shows abrupt changes in frequency. Modulations can change quickly every 300-500 milliseconds or every second. Five to eight overtones can generally be distinguished in a spectrographic analysis of the howling.[5]

During chorus howling, one dog starts and others join in shortly afterward. In most cases, chorus howling is well synchronized, and the howls of the group end nearly simultaneously. Spontaneous howling is most common during the morning and evening hours.[9]

A trill, with a distinctly "bird-like" character, is emitted during high arousal. It is a high-frequency pulsed signal whose spectral appearance suggests a continuous source that is periodically interrupted, and might last as long as 800 milliseconds. Such a sound is not known for any other canid; however, a similar sound (with lower frequency) has been described for a dhole at the Moscow Zoo.[5]

[edit] Behavior Flannery’s short 1988 report on dogs in the mountains of Papua New Guinea is regarded as the only available report on direct observation of wild specimens. He described them as "extraordinarily shy" and "almost preternaturally canny".[11] According to Robert Bino (a student from the University of Papua New Guinea) these dogs use their resting places under roots and ledges in New Guinea only sporadically. Bino theorized that these dogs are highly mobile and forage alone and concluded that they therefore might use several hiding places in their home range.[12]

During research observations the examined dogs generally showed a lower threshold of behavior (e.g. scent rolling) than other domestic dogs, as well as an earlier developmental onset than other domestic dogs or grey wolves (e.g. hackle biting at 2 weeks compared to other domestic dogs/grey wolves at 6 weeks) and a quantitative difference (e.g. reduced expression of intraspecific affiliate behaviors). The dogs observed did not show the typical canid play bow; however Imke Voth found this behavior during examinations in the 1980s.[13]

Several unique behaviors have been exhibited by New Guinea Singing Dogs.[5]:

Head toss: This behavior, shown by every observed dog, is a prompt for attention, food or a sign of frustration, expressed in varying degrees depending on the level of arousal. In the complete expression, the head is swept to one side, nose rotated through a 90° arc to midline, then rapidly returned to the starting position. The entire sequence takes 1–2 seconds. The mildest expression is a slight flick of the head to the side and back. During this behavior, the characteristic contrasting black and white chin markings are displayed. Copulatory scream: At the copulatory tie, the female emits a repetitive sequence of loud, high-pitched yelps lasting about 3 minutes. This scream has a strong arousal effect on most domestic dogs within auditory range. Copulatory contractions: About 3 minutes after the start of the tie, females begin a series of rhythmic abdominal contractions. During each contraction, the skin of the flanks and lumbar area is drawn forward. These contractions are accompanied by groans and occur regularly, several seconds apart (they may pause intermittently), continuing for the length of the tie. Additionally, Singers have an unusual form of auto-erotic stimulation, which includes a strong tendency to target the genitals for both playful and aggressive bites, a cheek-rub that may be a marking behavior and a tooth-gnashing threat. During estrus, when potential partners are present, same-sex Singers often fight to the point of severe injury. Furthermore, adults also display a high degree of aggression towards unfamiliar dogs, which would indicate that they are strongly territorial.[5] Their distinctive aggression could not be observed to that extent among Australian dingoes (who live without human contact).[9]

Based on dogs in captivity, it has been theorized that wild singing dogs do not form permanent packs. All sightings in the wild were of single dogs or pairs[5] and, according to observations by Imke Voth in the 1980s, some dogs are more comfortable in pairs and others in small groups.[9]

Researchers have noted rough play behavior by the mothers towards their pups, which often switched over to agonistic behavior, as well as "handling". The mothers did not adequately react to the pup's shouts of pain but rather interpreted it as further "invitation" for "playing". The researchers stated that this behavior was noted in their subjects only and does not necessarily apply to all Singers.[9]

During observations of Singers by Brian Hare, where food was placed under one of two bowls and one person pointed to the bowl with the food, only a few dogs had a higher success rate than 50% for going to the right bowl. It was therefore assumed that the success was pure coincidence, and that Singers have little interest in reading human gestures.[14]

[edit] Reproduction Old Dingo descended from the original pair that came to the U.S.A. in 1961. He lived for over 20 years.Like other dingo types, female Singers come into heat once a year rather than twice a year normally associated with domestic breeds. Their breeding season generally starts in August and ends during December. Gestation averages 63 days. In the Tierpark Berlin 80% of the litters were born in October and November and the gestation period was 58 to 64 days. The litter size was 1 to 6 pups.[15] Informants from New Guinea reported sightings of wild pups in December, which allows for the conclusion, that Singers, if they still exist in the wild, have a similar cycle. Reports of 25 bitches in captivity showed that when they did not conceive during their first annual estrous, about 65% have a second estrous cycle, sometimes even a third,[16] 8–16 weeks later.[5]

Males in captivity often participate in raising the pups, including the regurgitation of food. Female Singers are protective of their young and will aggressively attack their male counterpart if they feel he poses a danger to the puppies. During the first breeding season following their birth, especially if there is a potential mate present, pups are often aggressively attacked by the same-sex parent.[5]

[edit] Diet There has been no conclusive evidence that NGSD still exist in the wild. However, reports from local sources in Papua New Guinea from the 1970s and the mid-1990s indicate that Singer-like wild dogs found in New Guinea, whether they were pure Singers or hybrids, fed on small to middle-sized marsupials, rodents, birds and fruits. In fact, remnants of rodents were found in dog scat in the 1970s. Robert Bino stated that they their prey consists of rats, cuscus, wallabies, dwarf cassowaries and other birds.[5][16]

[edit] Distribution The reported wild range of the New Guinea Singing Dog consists of the mountains and swampy mountain regions of Papua New Guinea at an altitude of 2500 to 4700 meters. The main vegetation zones are (lowest to highest): mixed forest; beech and mossy forest; sub-alpine coniferous forest and alpine grassland. Based on archaeological, ethnographic, and circumstantial evidence, it can be assumed that Singers were once distributed over the whole of New Guinea (bone findings of dogs in the lowlands of New Guinea were estimated with an age of 5,500 years) and later restricted to the upper mountains.[5] Since there have been no verified sightings of these dogs in Papua New Guinea since the 1970s, these dogs are either rare in these areas nowadays, or possibly extinct.[10] Up to 1976 there were scientific reports of Singers in the Star Mountains and in 1989 Dr. Tim Flannery was able to take a picture of a black-and-tan dog in a place called Dokfuma, that lies in the same mountains.[11] In 1996 Robert Bino undertook a field study of these dogs. He was not able to observe any wild Singers and instead used signs like scats, paw prints, urine markings and prey remnants to make conclusions about the behavior of Singers. There are reports from local residents that wild dogs have been seen or heard in higher reaches of the mountains.[8] A more recent example was the fleeting glimpse of a dog at Lake Tawa in the Kaijende Highlands. Local assistants assured the researchers that the dogs at Lake Tawa were wild-living dogs since there were no villages near that location.[17]

Some authors disagree with the argument that there have been no verified Singer sightings for a long time and believe that there are still remote populations. They argue that the wild living dogs of the highlands are probably Singers.[16]

[edit] A field study of note One of the most detailed field studies of New Guinea Highland Wild Dogs was conducted in 1996 by James McIntyre. Mr. McIntyre spent considerable time trying to trap a Singer, but was not successful. After weeks of searching he came away from New Guinea having seen only signs such as tracks and feces. Mr. McIntyre was able to confirm that as of 1996 wild dogs of some genetic form did exist in the mountains of New Guinea. A visual sighting was never attained nor, apparently, was any sample obtained or analyzed to establish the wild dogs' genetic background. His observations, in diary form, absolutely confirm the wild dogs' ability to remain hidden and solitary from human contact.[18]

[edit] Relationship with humans A group of young Singers.The Singing Dogs of New Guinea have lifted their voice in song since time immemorial. During the early days, the dogs were common throughout the island. In the highland areas the dogs occasionally kept company with man, but more often they lived wild and free. In the lowland villages they were more apt to take up residence with the many humans inhabiting the area. It is from these lowland tribes that we gain a true understanding of the Singing Dog's place in these primitive societies. The introduction of foreign culture was to alter forever the role of the Singing Dog. "Singing Dogs are very gentle and friendly with people, though inclined to be a bit shy with strangers at first," wrote New York owner Phillip Persky. "They are not at all aggressive with people" Sharon McKenzie said. "I've never heard of a case of a Singing Dog biting anyone." "They are notorious escape artists," Mr. Persky reported, "and can climb and jump with cat-like agility, so enclosures have to be secure." They are great diggers and can climb fences as easily as a squirrel. They can get through a space you wouldn't have thought a snake could get through," Sharon laughed. "This is the only breed I know of in which bitches are dominant," Sharon observed. "Bitches really call the shots."[2]

A Singer at home in Chicago.According to reports from the late 1950s and mid 1970s wild dogs believed to be Singers were shy and avoided contact with humans. It was reported in the mid 1970s that the Kalam in the highlands of Papua caught young Singers and raised them as hunting aids but didn't breed them. Some of these dogs probably stayed with the Kalam and reproduced. The Eipo tribe kept and bred wild dogs as playmates for their children. Although the majority of the Highland tribes never used village dogs as a food source, it is known that even today they attempt to catch, kill and eat wild dogs. Some local myths mention these dogs as bringers of fire and speech or as the spirits of the deceased. Dog-findings in archaeological sites of New Guinea are rare, mostly consisting of teeth (used as ornaments)and trophy-skulls. One grave has been discovered.. The earliest Singer remains was a tooth found in the lowlands. It was estimated to be about 5,500 years old. Findings from the highlands were thought to be of similar age, on a stratigraphical basis, but as of 2001 had not been dated.

A red Singer sitting next to a black & tan.Since the beginning of the 20th century the inhabitants of the highlands started to keep chickens and Singers had a penchant for poultry. To add to the problem, natives kept other domestic dogs and other crossbreeds. The crossbred dogs were generally larger in size as well as less of a challenge to train so they tended to be of more value than Singing Dogs. In the past some tribes of New Guinea consumed dog meat as part of their rituals. Other tribes had a strict taboo concerning the consumption of wild dog meat. It is assumed that the relationship between the modern day inhabitants and their dogs will give information about how they treated the Singers, but modern "Village Dogs" are not genetically representative of pure New Guinea Singing Dogs.[5][8][16]

[edit] Origin and taxonomic status For these dogs an origin in Indonesia or South-East Asia is likely; however, the exact location and date is unknown. Genetic analyses also indicate towards an origin in East Asia.[19] These dogs were most likely brought to Papua New Guinea by humans; the dogs could not have covered the distance between the islands by swimming, since even at lowest sea level the distance would have been too great. Findings indicate that there were dogs about 5,500 years ago, which at least looked similar to the Singers.[5]

The New Guinea Singing Dog is classified as a dog breed of Papua New Guinea in the Domestic Animal Information System of the FAO.[20] Singing Dogs may be registered with the United Kennel Club.[21]

Singing Dogs are known for their intense,curious nature.As stated earlier in this article there is controversy regarding the origin of New Guinea Dingoes. Some people argue that they were transported to New Guinea as a tamed wild animal to serve as a hunting aid or as human food. There is no proof for domestication and they do not show the characteristic morphological features of domestication. Singers may have developed blood enzymes specific to the breed after arriving in New Guinea or they may have inherited them from a different ancestor than that of modern domestic dogs. The possibility of interbreeding between Singers and other domestic dogs is not regarded as a reason that the two belong to the same species, since all members of the genus Canis are capable of producing fertile hybrids and have mixed in the wild. Genetically and ecologically the New Guinea Singing Dog is not replaceable with any other canid-population and the available data indicates that the New Guinea Singing Dog demonstrates a unique evolutionary entity, possible a sister-taxon of the Australian Dingo. Since the Singer had diagnostic characteristics that differentiate it from other members of the genus Canis, the name Canis hallstromi should be used to identify it as a distinguishable taxonomic entity inside the genus Canis. Although these assumptions were based on captive Singers, this was regarded as irrelevant, since it was assumed that the described, regarded as unique, characteristics probably could not have developed during captivity. It was further suspected that these dogs would be an example on how dogs looked in the time before domestication and that their keeping by the inhabitants of Papua New Guinea would not really match the common concept of domestication.[5] In addition the ecological balance between the Singers and their prey was regarded as evidence that these dogs were not domesticated when they arrived on the island. As a further argument against the status of the Singer as a feral domestic dog the author states that there exist no reports of demographically self-sustaining feral dog populations that are not at least partially dependent on humans. Even in the absence of other large predators, domestic dogs never become totally independent predators.[16]

Kristofer M. Helgen disagreed. He said that these dogs are biologically interesting and deserve further ecological study, but neither molecular nor morphological evidence support the claim for taxonomic status as a separate species, particularly in the light of the morphological plasticity of the domesticated dog. It has been these kinds of scientific arguments that have thrown New Guinea Singing Dogs into a boiling pot of controversy.[17]

[edit] Genetic status Singing Dogs have highly developed senses.During genetic analysis regarding the origin of the Australian dingo, the scientists found the mtDNA-type A29 among Australian dingoes, as well as domestic dogs from the islands of South-East Asia, North America, East Asia and New Guinea Singings Dogs. This mtDNA-type fell in a phylogenetic tree of wolf-and dog-types right in the main clade of domestic dog mtDNA-types (70 % of the mtDNA-types). Furthermore the Singers had a unique mtDNA-type that differed from A29 by two point mutations: This showed the real possibility of a shared origin with Australian dingoes, as well as a genetic exchange and affiliation with the domestic dog. Are the dingoes of Australia descended from New Guinea Singing Dogs or the other way around? Since Papua New Guinea and Australia were connected via a land-bridge until 6,000 years ago, traveling from one to the other would for all intents and purposes have been possible.[19] Further DNA-analysis may show that Thai dingoes are also closely related to New Guinea Singing Dogs. It has been theorized that Singers and Australian Dingoes might demonstrate a genetic line that separated itself from other dogs about 4,600 to 10,800 years ago. As long as nothing contrary was proven, a person has to assume that the current isolation of NGSD from village dogs makes interbreeding/hybridization unlikely.[16]

The most current genetic study was completed by Dr. Alan Wilton from the UNSW School of Biotechnology and Biomolecular Sciences. Thirty-seven researchers from across the globe took part. News of the study was released to newspapers worldwide on March 18, 2010. The study revolved around analysis of 48,000 genome sites found in hundreds of wolves and over a thousand dogs. The overwhelming conclusions from the study showed that genetically, the Australian Dingo and the New Guinea Singing Dog are closely related to one another and are probably the world's oldest dogs. Additionally, the study concluded that the NGSD and Australian Dingo stand out as being the most different from other dogs and closest to wolves. They found dingoes and New Guinea Singing Dogs to be the oldest of the ancient breeds, dating back at least 4,000 years. Singers belong in the Asian group, sharing it with dingo, Basenji, Chinese Shar-pei, Chow-chow and Akita.[22] This internationally recognized study collated at American universities UCLA and Cornell was published in the science journal Nature.[23][24][25][26]

There was a time when the New Guinea Singing Dog was not considered worthy of study, since they were considered feral domestic dogs. Nowadays however, archaeozoologists who promote protection of these dogs argue that Singers are a living relic of the earliest dogs and at least a part of the heritage of the people of Papua New Guinea. The Singer is regarded as being worthy of protection, since the captive population is highly inbred and the wild population is probably excluded from several parts of its original distribution area.[5] The Department of Environment and Conservation in New Guinea only announced protection measures.[10]

The importance of the New Guinea Dingo lies in its evolutionary age and purity as an evolutionary unit. These facts together with several unique genetic, behavioral, ecological, reproductive and morphological characteristics form the basis for its conservation.[5]

[edit] Synopsis The NGSDs most unusual characteristic is its dramatic ability to vary the pitch of its howl. They do not bark repetitively but have a complex vocal behavior including yelps, whines, and single-note howls. NGSDs are active, lively, and alert. They are constantly exploring everything in their environment, using all five senses, including taste. Their incredible structural flexibility allows them to pass their bodies through any opening wide enough to admit their head. Their hunting drive is very intense and may overwhelm any training when prey is detected. They use their acute sense of hearing in addition to sight and scent to locate prey. Although gentle and affectionate with people they know, they can be aloof with strangers. NGSDs can be aggressive toward other dogs, especially of the same sex.[27]

[edit] Conservation and preservation There are two non-profit organizations that exist for the sole purpose of conserving and preserving New Guinea Singing Dogs. They are: NGSD Conservation Society and NGSD International. Both organizations are based in the United States. Links to their webpages are included in the links section of this article.

[edit] See also Shiba Inu Basenji Carolina Dog Canaan dog Telomian Pariah Dog Dingo Australian Dingo Dog Canis lupus dingo Nureongi Dog Meat Korean Jindo Dog [edit] References 1.^ "United Kennel Club". http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/NewGuineaSingingDog. Retrieved 21 September 2010. 2.^ a b Flamholtz, Cathy J. (1991). A Celebration of Rare Breeds Vol.II. Centreville, AL U.S.A.: OTR Publications. pp. 147–151. ISBN 0940269066. 3.^ Funk, Holger (2005). "Shiba and Dingo". http://www.shiba-dog.de/dingo-en.htm. Retrieved 30 May 2010. 4.^ Janice Koler-Matznick (2004). "THE NEW GUINEA SINGING (WILD) DOG". Alien Press Inc. http://abstracts.co.allenpress.com/pweb/asm2004/document/38760. Retrieved 2010-04-06. 5.^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q Janice Koler-Matznick, I. Lehr Brisbin Jr, Mark Feinstein, Susan Bulmer (2003-03-06). "An updated description of the New Guinea Singing Dog (Canis hallstromi, Troughton 1957)pg.116". The Zoological Society of London. http://newguinea-singing-dog-conservation.org/Tidbits/ZoolSociety.pdf. Retrieved 2010-04-06. 6.^ "Canis lupus dingo". Mammal Species of the world. bucknell. http://www.bucknell.edu/msw3/browse.asp?id=14000751. Retrieved 2010-04-20. (English) 7.^ "Canids:Foxes,Wolves,Jackals,and Dogs">Corbett, Laurie (2004). p. 223. 8.^ a b c Janice Koler Matznick (2004-01-20). "The New Guinea Singing Dog". KENNEL CLUB BOOK. http://newguinea-singing-dog-conservation.org/Tidbits/BookExcerpts.pdf. Retrieved 2010-04-06. 9.^ a b c d e Dorit Urd Feddersen-Petersen (2008). Ausdrucksverhalten beim Hund. Stuttgart: Franckh-Kosmos Verlags-GmbH & Co. KG. ISBN 978-3-440-09863-9. 10.^ a b c Laurie Corbett (2004). "Dingo". Canids: Foxes, Wolves, Jackals and Dogs. International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources. http://www.carnivoreconservation.org/files/actionplans/canids.pdf. Retrieved 2010-02-26. 11.^ a b Flannery, Tim (1995). Mammals of New Guinea (2nd ed.). Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press. 12.^ Bino, R. (1996). "Notes on Behavior of New Guinea Singing Dogs". Science in New Guinea 22 (1): pp. 43–47. Field Study of NGSD 13.^ Janice Koler-Matznick, I. Lehr Brisbin, Jr. and Mark Feinstein (March 2005). "An Ethogram for the New Guinea Singing (Wild) Dog (Canis hallstromi)". The New Guinea Singing Dog Conservation Society. http://newguinea-singing-dog-conservation.org/Tidbits/Ethogram0405.pdf. Retrieved 2010-04-07. 14.^ Steve Bradt (2007). "Man's smartest friend". Harvard University Gazette. http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/02.19/05-dog.html. Retrieved 2010-04-07. 15.^ Christian Matschai (2005). "Haltung und Zucht von Hallstromhunden oder Urwalddingos (Cams lupus f. hallstromi) Tierpark Berlin" (in german). Der Zoologische Garten. http://d.wanfangdata.com.cn/NSTLQK_NSTL_QK8928870.aspx. Retrieved 2010-04-07. 16.^ a b c d e f Janice Koler-Matznick (2007). "The New Guinea Singing Dog: its status and scientific importance". Australian Mammalogy. http://www.publish.csiro.au/paper/AM07005.htm. Retrieved 2010-04-07. 17.^ a b Kristofer M. Helgen, Stephen J. Richards, Robert Sine, Wayne Takeuchi, Bruce M. Beehler (2007). "A Rapid Biodiversity Assessment of the Kaijende Highlands, Enga Province, Papua New Guinea". Conservation International. http://www.conservation.org/Documents/RAP_Reports/RAP45_Kaijende_Highlands_PNG_Aug-2005.pdf. Retrieved 2010-04-28. 18.^ McIntyre, James (1996). "Investigation into the status and conservation needs of the free-living New Guinea Singing Dog (Canus lupus dingo)". http://vanuatu.tripod.com/dogs.htm. Retrieved 2010-06-14. 19.^ a b Peter Savolainen, Thomas Leitner, Alan N. Wilton, Elizabeth Matisoo-Smith, Joakim Lundeberg (Edited by Colin Renfrew) (2004). "A detailed picture of the origin of the Australian dingo, obtained from the study of mitochondrial DNA". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in the United States of America. http://www.pnas.org/content/101/33/12387.full.pdf+html. Retrieved 2010-04-21. 20.^ Domestic Animal Diversity Information System of the FAO: New Guinea Singing dog 21.^ "Dog New Guinea Singing Dog". United Kennel Club. 1998-01-01. http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/NewGuineaSinging. Retrieved 2010-04-26. 22.^ Wilton, Alan (April 2010). "Genome-Wide SNP and Haplotype Analyses Reveal a Rich History Underlying Dog Domestication". Nature 464. 23.^ http://doglobby.org/2010/03/the-worlds-oldest-dog-breed-the-dingo 24.^ http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/national/dingo-is-worlds-dog-oldest-breed/story-e6frg15u-1225842111309 25.^ http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/dingoes-may-be-worlds-oldest-dogs/364457 26.^ http://machineslikeus.com/news/dingo-may-be-worlds-oldest-dog 27.^ "Dog New Guinea Singing Dog". United Kennel Club. 1998-01-01. http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/NewGuineaSinging. Retrieved 2010-06-06. [edit] External links Wikimedia Commons has media related to: New Guinea Singing Dog

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why do you gotta talk to people like recently? They're just trying to help, even if they are wrong. Don't be so mean. You don't have to write like Mr. Spock, but actually that would be a pretty good thing to do because emotion and taking things all personally is not helpful to anything. Chrisrus (talk) 02:59, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Chrisrus, Please! You'll notice that I only jump on editors who waltz in and act like they know all there is to know. I am not mean to decent editors who act reasonable, but when someone makes smart aleck and discourteous remarks you can bet that I'll jump on them. It amazes me how controlling people are sometimes. This last editor made no attempt to work cooperatively with anyone. He just made changes and deletions and admittedly does not know anything about the subject. Helpful? I don't think so. He simply thinks he's better than anyone else. He has a big head. It's hard to be nice to people like that. There are better ways to approach people and he needs to learn them. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 22:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Chrisrus, I'm sorry. One of my faults is that I wear my feelings on my shirt sleeve and have no patience with control freaks. I have friends who are "never wrong" and in my opinion, they are the ultimate of fools. Anyway, if editors approach in a civil manner you will see that I will cooperate fully. BTW I'm still finding incorrect words and phrases in the NGSD article that are still there from the earlier era. Yesterday I found a phrase "other domestic dogs". When I looked it up in the reference what the reference actually said was, "domestic dogs" the word "other" meaning the inclusion of Singers as domestic dogs was not there. In other words, the reference was intentionslly misquoted. It was from a Matznick book and I thought it was unlike her to classify Singers like "other domestic dogs' and sure enough, she'd been misquoted. She and I had a falling out several years ago, but I do respect many of her ideas. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 22:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

New Guinea
If you wish to increase the exposure of th NGSD on the NG articel, I suggest you come up with a short paragraph about the dog that would be suitable for the biodiversity section. You may note that the NGSD is already mentioned in the second paragraph of the article. Another suggestion would be to find a good image of the dog, especially a video of it singing, since that is always attention getting. I will watch this space, so respond to me here if you want my attention.μηδείς (talk) 05:00, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your timely response and suggestions. I clicked on New Guinea Singing Dog and it took me directly to the NGSD wiki article so we feel that is excellent exposure. We feel a paragraph would be inappropriate. A photo or video is a great idea. I would like to add a photo to the article. A while from now if we were to replace the photo with a video tape, how exactly would it be placed and shown in the article? osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Video files are added exactly as are image files. Someone would have to upload, say, a video of a dog singing to wikimedia, and then it could be included in the article. If you know of such a video at wikimedia (compare the videos of the tasmanian wolf) but have trouble inserting it in the article tell me and I will figure out how too add it.μηδείς (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, that's kind of you. I'll scout around for a good one. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 23:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I checked wikimedia. I could not find a video there, just lots of pix. Look at this video of the Tasmanian Wolf. If someone you know has video of a NGSD singing, you could have them upload a film.μηδείς (talk) 23:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your support of the NGSD in regard to the New Guinea article. I, as you feel the audio/video tape idea is superb. I have started reviewing possible tapes and will let you know as soon as a suitable one is found. We want it to be the best we can find and also have to watch copyright infringement. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 23:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Good.μηδείς (talk) 03:30, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * OSm, you have many NGSDs, don't you have some video files on your computer? Medeis, can you help him upload them if he has movies files on his computer? I don't know how.  Chrisrus (talk) 04:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, my wife and I have 15 adult Singing Dogs and we've raised them for 22 years, but we're not happy with any of the tapes we have on file. Singers aren't as easy to capture on tape as you might think. There is one pretty good tape of the 15 singing, but it also has the film maker's voice encouraging the dogs to sing. It's great for youtube, but inappropriate for wikipedia. A friend is coming down from Chicago in a week or so with his video camera and we plan to do some filming. Their singing when it's meat and bone feeding time is a sound to behold. Talk about feeding frenzy!! Also, there are many different types of songs. Some are for communication and just general conversation. Some are for expressing sorrow and loneliness when in mourning after a fellow Singer has died(Yes, they do mourn). Some are the crys related to the annual breeding season. Singers are highly intelligent and sensitive animals so they express their emotions and feelings with their voices which are unlike any other on the planet. Then again, some are simply a reaction to other sounds such as the siren on an emergency vehicle. We know of one fellow who had Singers who would accompany him as he played his guitar. I just now remembered a story I heard maybe 15-20 years ago about an opera singer who toured Europe with a Singing Dog that sang along with him onstage. I'll have to see if I might be able to find that story. I do think the most urgent and loudest song is when they're going into the feeding frenzy. Let me see what we can do. We want good quality and I'd prefer it to be unique for wikipedia rather than a rerun from another spot. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 06:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

How to Upload a Video
In order to upload an image or video file you have to create an account at wikimedia commons, which is pretty much identical in setup to wikipedia.

Having done that, you then click upload a file, which is on the left of the page.

If you own the file yourself, click on It is entirely my own work, or the appropriate alternative.

The allowed file types are: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, xcf, mid, ogg, ogv, svg, djvu, tiff, tif, oga. (The Tasmanian wolf video is in the OGV format. I cannot help you creating or converting such a file, but someone can be found to give advice if needed.)  I do not know what size file is okay, but suggest 15 seconds as a maximum length.

You will need to have the file on your harddrive or accessible at some hosting website on line.

Follow the instructions and fill out the appropriate data.

Eventually you will have created a new page which will have a name something like File:Tazidinki5.jpg

Once you have that it can easily be inserted on the appropriate page in wikipedia by simply enclosing it in the appropriate double brackets as I have with the picture above right - edit this section to see the format.

μηδείς (talk) 14:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Cambodian Dogs
Although Wikipedia doesn't seem to know anything about them, if you google (be sure to use quotation marks) the words "Cambodian Ridgeback Dog" you will find some sites that discuss this dog. For example, I have found [this site | http://dogbreeds.bulldoginformation.com/cambodian-razorback-dog.html]. This Razorback breed is very bizzare and intersting-looking, but I'm more interested actually in the generalized, ordinary Cambodian street dog that is mentioned in passing in the course of discussing the razorbacks, which seem to have evolved from the ordinary dogs. I imagine they must be Thai Dingos, no? I hope you will look into it because I'm interested in your reaction. Chrisrus (talk) 04:15, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Chrisrus, I know almost nothing about these Cambodian dogs. I have no idea. It's a good thing to study. Sorry I haven't been on line. It's Spring and a million outdoor things to do preparing for the Summer heat with the dogs. Certainly the Cambodian and Thai are cut from the same block of wood, but how, I don't know. Is there anyone in Cambodia or Siam who knows of these canines? There have to be university people. Museums of natural history? I dunno. I'll see what I can dig up. I wish Dr. Wilton would do a dna study on some of these dogs. I'd sure like to find out about the Thai Dingo dna. Could be a poor photo, but the Cambodian models look a bit more scruffy with a courser coat than the Thai models. BTW, please check out that photo in the Singer wiki article with the dog held by the man where the Singer is looking over the man's shoulder. The Singer was a rescue from a closing kennel. It took nearly 3 years for the man to gain her trust to the point to where he could whisper her into a submissive state so he could pick her up and hold her comfortably. I think that's what taking care of these dogs is all about. It's that final bonding with a 4,000 year old set of magnificent genes. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 04:53, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for your contribution to the article Nureongi! Chrisrus (talk) 15:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

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New Guinea singing dog
As reflected in MOS:LIFE, all projects related to animals (except for WP:BIRD) decided to avoid capitalizing names. There is no use reverting my edits - please argue at the project talks. Materialscientist (talk) 04:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Off course, New Guinea, is a proper name. Singing dog is not, it is the name of the species, not of an individual dog, same as New Guinea dingo. Further, you are mass reverting other cleanup. Please reconsider. Materialscientist (talk) 04:50, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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