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Nicholas von Renys
Hi Olessi, please read the following info I collected at: and let me know, if you still insist on leaving the Rogala clad note on. Take your time reading- Thanks Labbas17 January 2007

thanks
For clarifying to User:LUCPOL to stop changing it.(the Nation/State thing)-- Hrödberäht 23:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems that this user is not done with the nation 'problem.':Template:User Silesia

Template:User European Union.(Check the histories.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by R9tgokunks (talk • contribs) 00:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

User:LUCPOL
I just want to ask you if you would be willing to help me stop User:LUCPOLs wikipedia propagandist and compulsive lieing spree, ive made a report but im not yet finished....here it is User:R9tgokunks\User:LUCPOL-- Hrödberäht 06:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Be constructive not destructive
Would you be so kind and undertake more constructive work than that:. AS> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.68.39.229 (talk) 07:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Dominik Hašek
Hi, what is and why you omitted diacritics please ? Btw. thanks for rewrite the Sudetes caption, sounds good. Happy editing.  ≈Tulkolahten≈ ≈talk≈ 21:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification :) I had no idea about this system. Enjoy the day.  ≈Tulkolahten≈ ≈talk≈ 21:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The Mark
Hi Olessi;

Thank you for the message. I have always heard of it as the County of the Mark because "mark" itself is a type of entity, rather than just the name of the entity itself. It may have been a county and a mark region, but it had no other territorial name. It is the same in that there were palatinates, but also "the Palatinate". Also, the rulers were titled Counts of the Mark, rather than just Counts of Mark. Again, this was all because of the fact that the name of the county was also a type of territory. I'm sorry if that sounds like rambling, as I have the flu! I will take a look at the Berg situation and add it to my watchlist and comment/help in a while. Charles 21:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The term County of Mark rings as bizarre in my ears. Can some other name be applied if County of the Mark is unacceptable? Maybe something such as The Mark, since when one never refers to just Mark, except apparently when using the term county in front of it. Charles 14:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Bremen Island
Hey, thanks for translating this, my German isn't that great yet, and i just kinda 'slopped' the whole article together right before Midnight that night, so i felt lazy and didn't do much to wikify it. -- Hrödberäht 21:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK
-- Yomangani talk 10:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Palatinate moves
You might be interested in move requests at Talk:Palatinate and Talk:Palatinate of the Rhine. Pass the word. —  AjaxSmack     01:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

RE:IP listing
thank you, I was wondering how you were able to do that. Unfortunately user:Serafin is evading his block again, this is sad.

--Jadger 19:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I realized that, it just seems to go tit for tat right now. but I dont see how his viewpoint can even be defensible as he is asking for statistics that are humanly impossible to get, then claiming I'm a holocaust denier, totally twisting my words.

--Jadger 20:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

alright thanks, we should get some consensus on what to do with him, I think we should just delete whatever he writes from now on. we should get all others to do so also

--Jadger 04:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Serafin
Feel free to block any Serafin-sock you see on-sight. It might be worth reporting some of the IPs to the open proxy people. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 07:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Prussian Army, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  15:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

German town law
You have used ahistorical Polish names. The rights had rather Latin and/or German names. The Neumarkt Law (now Środa Śląska) had the name Jus Novi Fori. Xx236 08:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandal
I have been accused of being a vandal on User:LUCPOL/Vandal:R9tgokunks due to past editing disputes with yourself, or other being involved in ways with yourself. Since you have been mentioned, i'd like to ask if you could please comment on the mentioned report, Thanks much. -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 15:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Indexing
Hi Olessi, I noticed you indexed some categories in a few articles, presumably because their titles contain diacritics. I don't see the need to do this when the first letter does not have a diacritic, since it doesn't really affect the indexing and just adds clutter. Appleseed (Talk) 22:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Friedrich Kellner
I agree with you about the need to identify the quotes more specifically, and I greatly appreciate your offer to help me in placing the references on the Kellner page.
 * The quote in the Introduction was made in a conversation with me in Mainz in 1968, when he gave the diary to me.


 * The Gutenberg quote (in the Political Activism section) also was told to me in that conversation in 1968. This quote has been printed in some German newspapers; for example, in an article written by Frank Schmidt-Wyk in the Mainz Allgemeine Zeitung, published September 24, 2005.


 * The first two diary quotes of June 25, 1941, (The War Years section) appear on page 77 of the dairy.


 * The last quote in The War Years section, October 28, 1941, appears on page 112 (a copy of this page is in Wikimedia Commons).

I hate to put you to trouble. Should I simply tack on this information at the end of each quote? Thanks, Scott --Rskellner 16:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I have just copied this into the article's talk page, and we can continue there. Scott--Rskellner 17:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested moves
I re-opened the discussion on the move of Trentino-South Tyrol and South Tyrol. If you want to say your opinion, you're welcome. --Checco 07:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want, you can cast your vote also in Talk:Trentino-South Tyrol. --Checco 16:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Strasbourg
Please help : he does it all the time, reverting to previous, poorer versions while pretending to improve the article. Thanks RCS 07:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Historical Eastern Germany
I think you'll be quite interested in this:Talk:Historical_Eastern_Germany. -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 04:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Österheim
I came across "Österheim" whilst looking at a Barnes and noble historical atlas(Revised Atlas of World History). It is marked as such in 1250 a.d. and has "Buda" right below it, but then the next page showing 1300-1450 shows it as "Gran". -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 05:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well i took that into consideration and put it as archaic? -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 05:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

poll
Hey Olessi, long time no speak. :} You know, that vote, I just changed it to Province of Bolzano (Bozen) so we can actually take into account both names. *^_^* I'm hoping that for the region we can go with Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol and with the province either Province of Bolzano (Bozen) or Province of Bolzano-Bozen. How do you think? Taalo 18:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

bossong
I'm not sure why you removed large sections of information about the locations, nor why you've changed them to a name no one ever uses. can you please explain your edit? Thank you. ThuranX 21:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You still don't explain why in all these massive changes you're making to numerous pages, you're changing hte name to something no one ever actually uses, from something used regularly. No one ever calls it 'palatine-zweibrucken', the name is Pfalz-Zweibrucken, or Zweibrucken. Just because this is the English wiki doesn't mean all things get translated. Otherwise you'd have to finish the job, and rename it Palatine two bridges everywhere. ThuranX 23:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

South Tyrol and Trentino-South Tyrol
Hi Olessi, please check out the polling going on at South Tyrol and Trentino-South Tyrol. Your input and thoughts would be appreciated. Taalo 00:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

French dauphins
Hi Olessi;

I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles) regarding naming for French dauphins. If you would like, please take a look at it. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cfvh (talk • contribs) 00:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

old times
hey, Serafin seems to be at it again. When will he learn? I saw that you were the last person to block user:Serafin so I thought I'd show you his block evasion right from the get-go. Special:Contributions/131.104.218.46

--Jadger 06:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Also just noticed: user:Blacha used same sort of edit summaries as Serafin, and edits only the same articles as Serafin did.



--Jadger 06:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Geez, found yet another one, so far:

--Jadger 06:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

motion to close mediation
hello there,

there was a mediation offer quite a while ago concerning the issue of Trentino-South Tyrol. I am happy to announce that the issue has been discussed, voted upon and settled. However the mediation offer still needs to be officially closed. Please take a minute to visit the page Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-20 Trentino-South Tyrol and put your signature at the bottom if you agree with the decision, thank you. sincerely Gryffindor  20:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * A very important note. This mediation offer concerned the greater overall naming convention to use in this region, not just the name of the region itself.  We came up with a very good compromise for the regional name itself.  I for one am still looking forward for Lar to help us out. Taalo 21:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Târnava River
Hi. Do you think it's time to split the page into multiple articles? Khoikhoi 21:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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AfD
Hi, this is a message I'm posting to everyone who participated in this AfD. I have nominated the same article for deletion again here – you might be interested. Regards, KissL 09:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

WP Austria
Welcome to WikiProject Austria. I'm wondering if you're willing to coordinate the project for a while? Kingjeff 04:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * While I'm flattered by the offer, I'm focusing on WikiProject Prussia at the moment. My primary area of interest is northern Europe (particularly Brandenburg-Prussia), and my knowledge of Austria and its history is less thorough. I do edit Austrian articles (mostly medieval ones) from time to time, so I figured I would join the project to provide help when I can. Olessi 06:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Online books
Thanks re link to Google Books. As you may know, there's a German site spawned by Spiegel called Projekt Gutenberg that offers German books online. Here for example, a link to Wanderungen durch die Mark Brandenburg.

http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/fontane/mark/mark.htm

Sca 16:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestion. I've heard of the site before, but I've never actually explored it. Cheers, Olessi 16:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

im sick of this
Check all my edits VERY CAREFULLY, and you will finally realize that i was REVERTING VANDALISM BY USER:PARIS75000. -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 00:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The removal of the content by Paris7500 was inappropriate, and I have mentioned that I support the inclusion of relevant names. However, you seem to have taken upon yourself the role of 'Defender of all that is German' at times, which can lead to editing disputes. If you notice widespread deletion of content or controversial topics, bring it to the attention of other editors so that a consensus can be created. Requests for comment/History and geography was created specifically for this purpose. I also suggest that you discuss disputes on article talk pages instead of engaging in revert wars (even if others are engaging in the same). Olessi 00:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

R9tgokunks and his Germanizing crusade
See my answer at Talk:Alsace. See also R9tgokunks' recent edits. New Brunswick was the most funny edit I must say. Godefroy 15:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Good Humor Barnstar!
It's nice to know that my efforts are appreciated. I hope that my involvement in various German/Poland/Czechoslovakia articles has a positive and calming influence on the editing community of those articles.

--Richard 17:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Rudolf Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff
With all due respect: Marking the “Freiherr” as it has been, until you changed it, would probably be much more understandable, than your somewhat irritating editions. Not a wise guy, but with best regards --Dionysos 22:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * As per our Manual of Style, "Avoid putting links in the boldfaced titles and synonyms." That is why I added the footnote reference. Cheers, Olessi 23:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Hanns Scharff
Hey, thanks a lot for the help on the Hanns Scharff article. Even after a year and a half editing Wikipedia, there's still a lot I don't know and I really appreciate the assistance! If there's anything else on that article that you think needs changing, please help out! Thanks again. --ScreaminEagle 21:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad to be of assistance. I'll let you know if I spot anything else. Olessi 04:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Wartheland (floats)
In this edit, you removed the term "(floats)" and put in a comment "(floats) [what is meant by "floats"?".

I have to confess that I'm not sure myself. However, a Google search on "Wartheland (floats)" does yields some hits. This is the best web page that I could find and it doesn't explain things clearly enough for me to understand.

I think "floats" is a Polish term for some sort of administrative unit smaller than a province and maybe roughly equivalent to a "gau"?

Maybe you can look into this and get a better understanding of it than I currently have.

--Richard 16:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that "floats" has somehow gotten substituted for "Posen" either via vandalism or erroneous machine translation. Looking at these two pages,  and, it seems obvious that "floats" means "Posen".  The Wikipedia article on Arthur Greiser indicates that he was born in Posen.  Could you take a quick look at these links and verify that my hunch is correct? --Richard 16:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed, the aforementioned external link was a machine-translation which interpreted Posen as Pose (float, or pose), instead of Poznań. Olessi 17:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposed community ban of Serafin
I have to say that his continued use of sockpuppets is frustrating and timeconsuming. However, as I stated on the community ban noticeboard, I'm not sure that banning Serafin actually solves anything. It just allows us to "shoot the sockpuppets on sight". Big deal. It doesn't stop him from creating the sockpuppets. It seems kind of like shooting at gophers.

Is banning him the only solution or is it just the one that we are going with due to a "lack of imagination"?

Is there a other way that we could convert him into a productive member of our community?

I have proposed mentoring him. If he would accept, would you see this as a solution worth pursuing?

Feel free to respond on the community ban noticeboard.

--Richard 16:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Since you have the power to block Serafin, can you check out user:Ciapek I think he may be a puppet, he has only posted on talk:expulsion of Germans after World War II so far, but his style matches and I just wanted to notify you so we can deal with this quickly if it is him.


 * --Jadger 19:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * While the post does seem to fit Serafin's MO, I don't think there's enough to indicate a definite sockpuppet yet. Thanks for letting me know, however. Olessi 03:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Here is definitely a Serafin puppet. it is one of his IPs that was blocked for a week, but just started "editing" again. Special:Contributions/217.12.205.67

--Jadger 06:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I have found another one:

--Jadger 06:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

He is warned
. RCS 17:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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Notable residents at Celja
I have replied on my talk page. --Eleassar my talk 20:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Translations from German
Hi. I saw your edit to German election, 1928. I recently re-did the tables for the elections in Weimar Germany, but I speak hardly any German, so I was relying on online translators and educated guesses for the translations of the smaller parties. You might want to check the other Weimar elections for translation mishaps. Pappubahry 23:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem, I'll take a look at them. Olessi 00:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
Hi. I followed your suggestions and asked for a move/vote. Your opinion would be very welcome here: Talk:Mecklenburg-Western_Pomerania. All the best, Likedeeler 17:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Wilhelm Ritter von Thoma changes
Hi. I’ve seen your work in a number of articles on German subjects and generally find them quite reasonable, so I was wondering why you changed all the typographical quotation marks and apostrophes in the Wilhelm Ritter von Thoma article to old-style typewriter ones, and replaced a perfectly good en-dash with the now (IIRC) deprecated – code. You also Wikilinked every date and year in the article, regardless of whether doing so was redundant or not; I believe the convention is now to Wikilink on first mention only (except in long articles when a second mention is distant from the first), so avoid the “sea of blue” phenomenon. I don’t want to unilaterally undo your changes because some of them were (quite) good and valid—the amount of work a selective revert would entail aside. Also, out of curiosity (since I’ve not be able to locate the convention yet), why did you change von Thoma to merely Thoma in so many instances? Is there a stylistic convention for this that I’ve overlooked? Also, when dates are rendered in the month-day-year order, the usual convention is not place a comma after the day and after the year; i.e., instead of “From September 19, 1939 to March 5, 1940 he acted as...”, CMoS and WP:MOS prefer “From September 19, 1939, to March 5, 1940, he acted as...”. In haste and best regards, Jim_Lockhart 08:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I personally prefer excluding "von" from titles, although I would not object to "von Thoma" being restored. I inquired previously about whether or not to use "von" at WP:GSWN, but not much developed from the discussion. I would oppose a restoration of the previous "Ritter von Thoma", however, as Ritter is merely a title.


 * I changed the quotation marks and apostrophes for consistency with the majority of other WP articles which do not use the older style; again, I have no objections to a reversion. As far as I was aware, the date-linking convention was to link specific dates when possible; has an established guideline been reached at WP:DATE? The examples seem to change each time I check up on the page. :-P


 * Having commas after the year naturally reads better, of course; I was under the apparently mistaken impression that the situation was determined by a user's date preferences. I apologize for the inconvenience.


 * Aside from the "Ritter" changes and any updated links to actual articles, I have no objections to reversing the formatting changes. Olessi 09:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. I’ll see what I can find on the von placement in the Chicago Manual and a few others that I’ve got here. It could be that there is no real established convention, though I recall reading somewhere that leaving von, and even not capitalizing when is starts a sentence, was preferred. I think that with quotation marks, there is a shift underway both in general on the Web and in Wikipedia as well, to use typographical quotation marks now that fonts have them and browsers can render them properly. I’ll check up on the date linking, too. I can see a case for specific dates, though I wonder if years need to be included when they’re redundant. Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 09:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for my initial comment above about the dates: Once I got into the article, I realized that 90% of what you'd done was spot on. Although I’ve since heavily edited the article, most of your changes are still intact. I’m glad about that, because I dislike undo mechanical changes when I know that someone else has put a lot of work into them. On whether to leave von on names like von Thoma’s, the Chicago Manual of Style says that these particles are usually dropped in the native language and (by extension) should therefore be dropped in English except when retaining be more familiar to the English reader (8.12, p. 314 in the 15th edition). But (as I think you know), von is usually retained in German. Further, for English names with particles (like Werner von Braun), Chicago recommends keeping them (8.7, pp. 312–313). To me (personally), it feels somewhat like a breech of etiquette to leave von out, so opted to keep it. If, however, you decide it should go, I won’t argue about (nor revert) it. The Wilhelm Ritter von Thoma still needs some work if you’re inclined to turn to it; for one thing, it does not cite any references and, although it felt like a translation from the German, it does not follow the German Wikipedia article at all. Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 14:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem regarding the dates. Regarding von, I made some new suggestions at the aforementioned WP:GSWN discussion. Olessi 05:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Another possible Serafin
perhaps we should keep an eye on this guy:

--Jadger 19:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Audioline
Hi. I see we both have corrected some of the edits by User:Audioline. I left a message at his/her talk page, recommending him/her to read WP:NCGN. But you should perhaps also check this edit. It is not my area of expertise, but the edit seems to me as POV. Tankred 03:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * South Tyrol isn't my area of expertise either, unfortunately. I'll run it by User:Markussep, who I have seen editing the region in question frequently. Thanks for the heads-up. Olessi 03:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion
I missed this nomination of the article in whose reaching to a stable form I was involved. I would have supported the deletion despite I wrote that masterpiece. I might as well explain. The reason that entry was there is a lengthy spree of copy/paste moving of Evacuation of East Prussia by Sam Spade to this name. Tired of that, I replaced the entry by something that would have at least made sense because the redirect made none as it implied the term's being a less common but still acceptable version. Thanks for spotting and having it deleted. --Irpen 07:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries at all. I agreed with your skepticism on the talk page and the arguments for its deletion; I'm still amazed it was kept after the first AFD. Olessi 15:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Suspected sock puppet of Serafin vandalizing Jadger's user page
131.104.218.135 has vandalized User:Jadger twice in short succession. Based on the first octet (131), I have good reason to believe that this is a sock puppet of User:Serafin who is the subject of a community ban. I tried to submit a checkuser request but I have to confess that it's a bit confusing. This is the subpage for the case but I don't know how to form the request. Can you help me? --Richard 03:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. There's no need to go to CheckUser; the duck test makes it pretty clear that the culprit is Serafin. I blocked the IP for a month. Olessi 15:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

May 2007 edition of the WikiProject Germany newsletter
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Abuse of WP:TW
Oh Gosh, I have never seen anything like that. Thank you so so much for your quick reaction. I think you are right and it was another sockpuppet of VinceB. He has used pop-ups to revert PANONIAN en masse in a similar (though somewhat less indiscriminate) way. Sometimes I wish each of those helpful scripts here had the same strict rules as AWB. Those things can be really destructive and should not be available to everyone. Thanks again. Tankred 13:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

History and its monuments
Hello Olessi. I see you are interested in Central European history, we have met several times on several pages. I think there are several system bias on EN Wiki, one of them is almost complete lack of articles regarding many big and famous German cathedrals, churches etc. I would like to start some stubs on EN Wiki, based on DE Wiki but my Deutsch is not so good (despite 7 years of learning it). Can we make some deal together? For example, I would start some stubs and you would then check them for language. What do you think? Regards. - Darwinek 17:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I can certainly assist with copyediting if you'd like. I'm not sure how much time I will have in the near future, so feel free to also mention articles in question at WP:GSWN if I am not around. Olessi 20:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have a little time, too. I will announce them rather at Portal:Germany/New article announcements. - Darwinek 21:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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