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Future edits to article
Heads up--since I see you have recently edited the article about the 2020 municipal elections in DR (link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Dominican_Republic_municipal_elections).

Tomorrow I will add a significant number of edits to this article to include the recent election scandal and its aftermath.

Again, just giving you heads up since I see you have made recent edits. macgirl (talk) 07:23, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Block?
Howdy hello, came across your unblock request. It doesn't appear that your account is actually blocked at the moment, unless I've missed something? What seems to be the issue? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 03:28, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

About your message on my talk page
Oh, very sorry then for reverting you edits. I'm not Dominican and more or less know very little about the actual political system of the Dominican republic and just assumed it was like other countries, with the president assuming the office the day of or the very next day after the completion of the elections. Very sorry about it and won't revert them again. Dantheanimator (talk) 02:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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Incivility in edit summaries and edit-warring at 2018 Brazilian general election
Hi, OliverDF, I happen to think that your choice of photo at 2018 Brazilian general election is the better one. However, there are a couple of issues with your attempts to introduce that photo into the article that should be noted. One is the slow edit-warring, and the other is the improper use of edit summaries. For the latter, please see WP:ES: discussing other editors, especially to call them out over some perceived or real fault is frowned upon. You have been using the edit summary field repeatedly to make WP:UNCIVIL comments about other editor(s); instead, the summary should be a neutral explanation of why your edit is an improvement to the article. In particular, opinions of anonymous editors are welcome; they are not "completely invalid", nor should they be characterized as "an insignificant anonymous who is too lazy to create an account" in the edit summary. The edit-warring is bad enough, and I won't belabor that point here, (you can read the guideline on your own) but you shouldn't compound the edit warring by finding new ways to disparage other editors in your edit summaries. At this point, you should now do what you should have done after the first revert of the photo you prefer, namely, to raise a discussion at the Talk page about why that image is preferable, and should be added to the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Mathglot (talk) 07:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * When I wrote the above, I had not yet seen the edit summary in this revision from a couple of weeks ago. I strongly advise you to reread the guideline about edit summaries, as you appear to be showing a pattern of WP:INCIVILITY in your summaries and a repeat of that sort of thing might lead to you getting blocked. Mathglot (talk) 07:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The edition war that was generated in that article would not have happened if Number 57 had cooperated from the beginning, something that he never did, be it in that or other articles, since he never gave solid arguments to debate, only superficial comments and insults towards me as "pathetic". Using irrelevant superficial comments and insults towards me as "pathetic" is not an argument, which is what Number 57 constantly does in this or other articles, but it is much easier to agree with him despite the fact that he started the unnecessary war of edition in that article? It is much more convenient to say that I make terrible use of the edition summary and report me to an administrator so that they block me just to agree with Number 57, what a good argument, huh? Oli (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There are two different issues here: one, is a disagreement about what the content of the article should be (i.e., which photo is better); that is to be resolved on the Talk page of the article, so thank you very much for opening Talk:2018 Brazilian general election/Archive 1. As far as any complaints or comments about the behavior of other users, that may be raised first at the user's Talk page, and if that fails to resolve the problem, if there is one, then other forums exist for escalation.
 * I agree that comments like using "pathetic" in edit summaries are against Wikipedia guidelines, and they should tone it down. In order to raise a strong, credible complaint about the behavior of another user you have interacted with, however, your own hands must be clean, and in this case, they are not. If an admin looked at the whole situation, I suspect they would see problems on both sides, with most of the attention on your own behavior. Your best bet, in my opinion (and I'm not an admin, so you don't have to follow my advice) is to just to let it go. If you do raise the issue on their talk page and it ends up getting escalated, your own behavior will come under scrutiny as well, and I don't think you want that. If you are both able to just let it go, stop the sniping at each other, and concentrate on discussing the image at the Talk page, that will be the best outcome for the article, and also for you. You've made a good start by opening the discussion at the article Talk page (less a couple of snippety comments about the other user, which I hope you will WP:REDACT) so let's keep this on the right path by just concentrating on the content disagreement there. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I had already talked with other articles on the discussion page of Number 57 about debatable aspects of those articles and it was useless because that user just ignored my comments obliviously, resorted to empty victimization, and continued with the insults against me, I admit that I lowered myself to his level and that was not good at all, but I don't see that reasoning with him is of any use, since you took the trouble to advise me, you should also advise him, perhaps if he will listen to you compared to me. Oli (talk) 06:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry this has happened to you. (For the record, yes, I advised them as well.) What do you think is the best approach for you going forward? There is such a thing as an "interaction ban", which, if it is really cramping your style to deal with a particular editor, you could request at WP:ANI. But it's also a little bit like asking to have a cast put on your elbow; it may hobble you a little bit, which may be irksome at times, in different ways than dealing with the other editor is irksome to you now. Only you can judge which is better for you. Have a look at WP:IBAN, and see if you'd like to go that route, but I'd recommend trying to just ignore the slings and arrows, if you are able. In the future, if you need a sympathetic ear, you're welcome to come over to my page and just vent a bit, but I'm hoping you'll have it all under control and won't need to. Best of luck, Mathglot (talk) 06:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, following your logic of "the opinions of anonymous editors are welcome; they are not completely invalid" then that these anonymous authors constantly vandalize articles is justified? My point is that if I generate a discussion of debatable aspects of an article on the discussion page of that article, not to do it in the article's edit summary, because the other users of the article flatly refuse to go to the page of discussion of the article, should I just ignore the matter? Oli (talk) 06:50, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't mean to imply that; sorry if I wasn't clear. Vandalism by an IP should be dealt with exactly the same as vandalism by a registered user; they get no special privileges for being anonymous. (Conversely, both new registered users and new IP users get a bit more slack, because they are new; but again, they are treated the same.)
 * As far as what to do if an editor (whether anonymous, or not) refuses to discuss, this is indeed a tricky situation, and may take all your diplomatic skills to handle it. It's no use waiting a bit, and then just reverting again, because sooner or later, they (or someone else) could take you to the edit-warring board, so it can be really frustrating dealing with someone like that. If you feel you are about to lose it, don't; ask for help first; just like in a job in RL, you can "call your manager", here, an admin, to advise, or just take over the whole situation.
 * Are you familiar with Wikipedia essays? They are not official policy or guideline or official anything&mdash;they are just pages of advice on some topic written up by one or more editors, that might or might not be helpful. Here's is one essay, that might be useful to you: Responding to a failure to discuss. I hope it helps! Mathglot (talk) 07:15, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oli, just wanted to say thanks, and let you know that your redaction at the Talk page didn't go unnoticed, so well done. You also come off looking much better, and now the discussion is off to a good start. Hope I've been helpful to you; feel free to contact me any time. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 17:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)