User talk:Olivier/Archives 2005

Quick question
Is it necessary to log out Wikipedia before logging off the Internet?? Georgia guy 23:31, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * No, but depending on your login settings, you might or might not need to re-login when you come back. olivier 23:33, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you for telling this to me. Check out my new User page I created today. Georgia guy 23:35, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary
Hello. Please provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy edits. Hyacinth 02:53, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I noticed your edits to the template and thought I'd drop you a note saying thanks for the response. I can be reached at my talk page User talk:Hyacinth. No one is perfect, and if you check my edit history you will find I have left edits unsummarized (of course, when I started edit summaries where strongly suggested, as opposed to now when they are required) but we all should try. Thanks again. Hyacinth 02:50, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

France geo stubs
..so I wake up this morning ready to continue adding France-geo-stubs to articles, like I started last night, and I see an extra 100 or so in the category already, thanks to you and others - good work! :) Grutness|hello?  00:31, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks to YOU if you are the one who created the template france-geo-stub! Anyway, my addition of the too many French geo stubs was part of my attempt to clean up the huge list of Calvados stubs. The problem now is that most of the france-geo-stubs are in fact calvados-geo-stubs, which may remain stubs for quite a while. Thanks for your work! olivier 08:30, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

C'était moi - and I'm glad it's been of use! There are many more French geographical articles that are simpy listed as geo-stubs - some of them on pretty famous places that deserve bigger articles (Verdun?? Versailles???). A lot of them do seem to be in Calvados though. Hopefully having them all in a France-geo-stub folder should make it easier to find them and expand them. Grutness|hello? 09:44, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Cities of France
Okay, now I'm confused... you asked me to add a "Cities of France" stub when I added France-geo-stubs, but when I do it comes up with a red link. Is this a new category that you're going to create, or has it a slightly different name? Grutness|hello? 08:04, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * No, the name of the category is: "Category:Cities, towns and villages in France". olivier 09:22, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah. OK - I'll add that in. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]]

Culture of China
I know you've done quite a bit of work on that page, but we could use some extra help. Culture of China is now a candidate for Collaboration of the Week. Please vote at Wp:cotw. Thanks, Jiang 01:29, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Bank of China (Hong Kong)
Hi. Can you take a look at this article? It's my first stab at writing something virtually from scratch and I am not sure if it I've done everything (or anything) right. Thanks! --JuntungWu 17:17, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Current events
Hi hello, would you be interested to contribute to Current events in Hong Kong and Macao? best, &mdash; Instantnood 10:40, Jan 27 2005 (UTC)

Collaboration of the week
Military history of the Soviet Union is this week's Collaboration of the Week. Please contribute to it to help make it a feature article

Honorary bot
Congratulations - I just noticed that with the December update of Wikipedians by number of edits list, that you have finally passed me up in the number of edits in the main namespace category. We should form a club ' the honorary bot society'. :-) --mav 01:16, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * <:-) olivier 09:16, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Bank of China (Hong Kong)
Hi. I've nominated Bank of China (Hong Kong) on WP:FAC. Since I noticed that you worked on this article, perhaps you'd like to comment on the nomination. --JuntungWu 02:41, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Great job with the article! Congratulations for having it featured. olivier 12:47, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

HKWNB and HKCOTW
Hello. I noticed you're working on some Hong Kong-related topics. You may be interested to take a look of HK wikipedians' notice board and HK collaboration of the week. :-D &mdash; Instantnood 18:13 Mar 1 2005 (UTC)

RfC
Hello there. I am recently being listed on RfC. Feel free to comment as you wish to. I regard it as a way out and to have the matter settled. Thanks. &mdash; Instantnood 18:13 Mar 1 2005 (UTC)

Anguiers
I'm sure that you're right, but I thought that I'd double check to make absolutely sure. The original article referred to 'F. Fouquet'; after some research I found that Nicolas' father was Fran&ccedil;ois. It seemed more likely to have been Nicolas who was being referred to &mdash; on the other hand, the orinal author must have had some reason for giving the initial F. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 15:25, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I don't know. Since the castle was acquired and upgraded by Nicolas, it just made sense to me that the article should refer to him rather than to a Fran&ccedil;ois (I didn't know, by the way, that it was his father's first name). So, I admit that I might have been wrong. Nevertheless, if you look at, Nicolas is described as the sponsor of at least one of Michel Anguier's statues. olivier 16:54, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

User:210.54.197.44
I saw you were reverting this user. I've also undone some similar vandalism from User:210.54.196.132 a few minutes ago. It seems those IPs are related. Let's keep an eye out on them and block a range if he persists. I blocked User:210.54.197.44 for 24 hours. Mgm|(talk) 10:39, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Mont-Blanc.jpg
Greetings. I have listed Image:Mont-Blanc.jpg on Images and media for deletion because it has no licensing information, and it's not listed in any articles. If you would like this image to be kept, please add source and licensing information, and include it in an article. If you need any help with this, just ask me. Thanks! – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 23:12, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * GNU licence information is on the French Wikipedia page, which is linked to Image:Mont-Blanc.jpg. Thanks. olivier 02:37, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

Perdu pour la francophonie
J'envisage de créer une décoration Perdu pour la francophonie que je décernerais aux contributeurs francophones les plus actifs sur le Wiki en english, sur le modèle de la Carpette anglaise. Il est en effet anormal que des gens comme toi ne soient jamais honorés pour leurs travaux de collaboration. Très ironiquement, Greguar.


 * Va prendre l'air et respire un bon coup, ca te detendra. olivier 09:02, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright
Thank you for uploading Image:M nymburg 2.jpg and for stating the source. However, its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. If it is open content or public domain, please give proof of this on the image page. If the image is fair use, please provide a rationale. Thank you.--Aqua 09:32, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)


 * I had simply uploaded the picture from the German Wikipedia, as I have mentioned on the picture page. This original image seems to have been deleted. I do not have any additional information about it. olivier 12:47, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

List of Hong Kong-related topics
Hello Olivier. I've recently created list of Macao-related topics, and I understand it's not easy to maintain a list. I would like to know your opinion on how the Hong Kong list should be going. Should it include any article with some reference to Hong Kong? And should a list by category, like list of Singapore-related topics and list of Taiwan-related topics (by category), be created? &mdash; Instantnood 13:46, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)


 * The main question is: what do you want this list for? As a matter of fact, most country-related lists tend to grow so much that it eventually does not really make sense to maintain them (see List of China-related topics for such an example). The List of Hong Kong-related topics is still fairly manageable and is useful in tracking HK-related changes. Therefore, I no not see any real need to include any article with some reference to HK, but rather articles directly related to HK. If what you want to create is a page where HK-related articles are easily retrievable, you may consider creating a portal. olivier 12:47, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh! you have created Wikiportal/Hong Kong two days ago. Good job! olivier 13:06, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Right. The ultra-long lists are not useful at all for tracking related changes. And I have created a category for Hong Kong-related lists so I guess it has served some of the functions of a list by category. And by the way I need some people to help adding the contents into the portal. :-D &mdash; Instantnood 18:17, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Interview request
Olivier,

Do you mind if I ask you a few questions about Wikipedia for an American newspaper article? I'm at caraannaji@yahoo.com. My deadline is Saturday morning.

Thank you,

Cara Anna


 * Sorry, I am receiving quite a few such requests, but I am not available for press interviews for the moment. olivier 12:47, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

To float, or not to float
I've put a question on whether or not we should float the images in the Trinity College discussion page. Personally, I feel that the non-float layout looks very bad in IE. Could you please reply with your opinion, and we'll try to get some sort of consensus with other users. Bluap 12:00, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I have posted a reply at Talk:Trinity College, Cambridge. olivier 12:47, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for Decolonization, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

Are you interested in being a Bureaucrat?
Hi, I am considering nominating you to become a Bureaucrat. The role would involve giving administrator or bureaucrat access to other users following consensus on Requests for adminship. Although there are currently 18 bureaucrats, it may be helpful to have a few more. If you would accept a nomination, please let me know. Kingturtle 04:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for Culture of Ancient Rome, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

you have been impersonated
...by OIivier (talk &middot; contributions) (second letter is capital eye). He was blocked before making any substantive edits, fortunately. FreplySpang (talk) 21:53, 9 May 2005 (UTC)


 * WOW! quite interesting, actually. Thanks for the notice and blocking. olivier 02:36, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for Roaring Twenties, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. Falphin 03:28, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for High Middle Ages, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

France
Hello, I'm making a Wikiportal/France. You're French, maybe you wanna do all the work for me and make the page good. --Wonderfool t(c)e)


 * I can certainly help, but probably not do all the work myself!!! olivier 05:20, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Sino-Indian War
Hello, I hope that you are doing well. My name is kennethtennyson and I'm a Ph.D with an interest in Indian and Chinese history. I'm currently trying to edit the Sino-Indian War and am having a bit of a problem. I noticed that you used to moderate the Sino-Indian War article. I'm haveing a similar problem that you had when the article was first written. The other writer that I'm having a problem with unfortunately seems to wish to place biased statements in the article that are not rooted in any fact and are opinion. I'm wondering how we can "lock" the article as I and the other fellow are in an editing war. Thanks. Sincerely, kennethtennyson

Projet Communes françaises
Je viens de lancer un projet un peu fou sur les 36,782 communes françaises, et j'ai pensé que tu serais peut-être intéressé à participer au projet. En tout cas ta participation est vivement souhaitée. Tu peux voir plus de détails sur le projet à WikiProject Communes françaises. J'envoie copie du même message à: David.Monniaux et Ericd. Hardouin 6 July 2005 18:14 (UTC)

wikiproject years
Hi, I've proposed new standards here. Your input is appreciated.Trevor macinnis 19:43, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Nü Shu
Hi Olivier,

I see you've contributed a lot to the Nü Shu article. Would you happen to know what the script is called in Yao, and how that name is written in Nü Shu? I'm designing a replacement for the map in the Writing systems article (see talk), and would like to include Nü Shu. Instead of "Wikipedia", the sample text will be the name of the script in the main language that uses it. I'm afraid I may have to use a random string of glyphs for some, but I'm hoping to avoid that as much as possible.

Thanks, kwami 07:26, 2005 July 27 (UTC)


 * I like your idea, but unfortunately, I am not literate in Nü Shu... Thanks for asking anyway! olivier 08:06, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Years Survey
Hi. To get everybody thinking, I've created a survey about Year pages here. I'm telling all the participants of WikiProject Years and everyone else who has shown an interest or participated in the discussion. If you could check it out it would be appreciated, and tell anyone you think may be interested.Trevor macinnis 02:44, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Man
Thanks for saving my user page

SGCommand


 * Welcome. olivier 10:56, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

AOL Blocks
Please be aware that blocks and autoblocks of AOL customers route through AOL proxy servers and effect other editors randomly assigned that IP number. This problem occurs regularly. Please see my User Page -- User:WBardwin/AOL Block Collection for a history of these problems. Please release the block as soon as possible. Thank you. WBardwin 16:06, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Olivier. The reason given is this: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "WikiNazi". The reason given for WikiNazi's block is: ""i am WikiNazi. i want you all to join me in vandalizing wikipedia"". Your IP address is 205.188.117.69.


 * I blocked this user for 48 hours only. User:Essjay blocked him/her indefinitely. I can revert to a temporary block again. Please let me know. olivier 05:46, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Rosicrucian article
Dear user Olivier, as I have seen an edition of yours at the article Rosicrucian, I come to request your support to this article that I have just purposed for nomination at Featured_article_candidates. May you may give a look into it? And, if you consider it acceptable, then may you support it? Thank you! :) --GalaazV 02:49, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Qing Dynasty
Why did you remove all the Category:Qing Dynasty attributions on all Qing Emperor's pages without any consultation? What harm has putting them in that category done? Colipon+(T) 04:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Be bold in updating pages. Your statement is not exactly correct:
 * Not all Qing Emperors where in the Category:Qing Dynasty when I started removing this attribution
 * I did not remove the attribution for all: I did not remove it for Puyi and Yongzheng Emperor (I was in fact going to do so)
 * The attribution Category:Qing Dynasty is redundant, since each emperor is already in the category Category:Qing Dynasty emperors, which is itself a subcategory of Category:Qing Dynasty
 * In fact, no big harm was done by putting them in that category. It was just redundant, I believe. Since the emperors are already in a subcategory of Category:Qing Dynasty, then having them also in the category is a duplicate, and tends to overpopulate the top category, thus reducing the benefit of having these categories. olivier 07:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

BloodSport
I updated the bloodsport entry you had previously edited. The plot synopsis you wrote was, quite frankly, terrible. You have a poor grasp of common English grammar. I think you'll find the updates a vast improvement. jayteecork 22.24, 23 Sep 2005 (GMT)


 * Please try to learn a little about how Wikipedia works, for instance how to read the "Page history": I did not write the Synopsis for Bloodsport (film), I simply added the header and the spoiler warning. Please shut your mouth and don't insult people when you don't know what you are talking about. olivier 07:14, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

French Communes Bot
Hi, I've a plan to write a bot to create decent stubs for French Communes. I've done some work on the Le Puy series which shows the sort of thing (with additional human editing). The output side of the bot is largely complete and I've some work done on screen-scraping for input. Haven't got around to looking for permission to run it yet! I've you're interested in discussion or collaboration leave a note on my talk page. Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk  20:12, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Le Puy, Doubs
Hi, I notice you've done some cleanup - thanks. Two things maybe worth discussing: Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk  13:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Deletion of (doesn’t appear to have any information) from Quid. What I was trying to say there is that Quid is a site that normally should be visited for commune information but that in this case it's so small as not to be listed.  So I'd prefer to either leave the comment in or delete the link totally.  It'll just frustrate anyone following it.
 * Change of template. I deliberately made changes when I copied this from fr.wiki on the basis that boxed titles should be in English (even if the French is more accurate).  Similarly I've been creating page titles without accented characters and creating a redirect from the correct French name.  What are your thoughts on this?


 * OK I am replying here, but I would rather move the discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject French communes, so that all project participants could, well, participate.


 * Quid: I agree with you. The information available for free usually does not add anything to the suggested infobox. In some cases, though, it might include some historical information. Maybe the bot should leave the link, and this link could be removed manually for those articles which do not contain additional info.
 * Other links: the list of links at the bottom of the article pages is really long. Is there any way to reduce it, maybe less maps?
 * département vs. departement: there have been quite a few discussions about this type of topics in many places in Wikipedia, including in the WikiProject French départements. There seem to be some consensus around keeping the original word, and I definitely agree with that. If you look around, you will find something like 99% occurences of "département" and 1% of "departement". olivier 15:07, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh so wrong?
Well well well, Olivier, I'm living in Discovery Bay. So I think I did meet lotsa foreigners here in Hong Kong. Well, my points are made according to this piece of news (http://www.bbc.co.uk/humber/content/articles/2005/02/03/chinese_new_year_feature.shtml ). Maybe you should read more news before you'd like to correct me. There're loads of expat forums in Hong Kong; go and fetch one, and you will realise what I mean. ;-) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 12:44, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I do not see anything about foreigners' ignorance on the article you are mentioning. Your point could have been made more NPOV by saying something like "people unfamiliar with the Cantonese language may believe that it means 'Happy Chinese New Year', but it is not the case". The statement as it was written was implying that the foreigners' ignorance is a fact, while I believe that it is largely debatable (maybe that's true in DB and on the forums you are mentioning though...). In any case, I do not see the point of such a negative statement, and the mere usage of "gweilo" is derogative. Why don't you go to every article about HK culture and places in Wikipedia and add a comment like "that's a typical HK thing, and most gweilos have no idea or understanding of it", would be cool, huh. On the same note, why not write in the "Christmas" article something like: "Christmas is called Julen in the Danish language, but when they hear that, most Hongkongers believe that it is something related to the month of July"? olivier 13:11, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I can't see the statement offensive. Sometimes misconception may not be ignorance, but confusions of certain people towards different languages, cultures, etc. (So there are more disgraces when we said the Church used to believe that the Sun goes arouf the Earth, or people once believed that there're real lead in pencils.) The example you've mentioned is just the same case (In fact you can add that as well, thought I deeply believe that not much native Chinese in Hong Kong know Danish). In fact the statement you've deleted does not refer to all foreigners, but some of them. Also the gweilo in brackets has implied NO derogatory meaning, which merely shows the situation the way they're commonly denoted by the locals. Just don't be too touchy with the statment, mind you; your over-reacting action (by dropping me a message) made me really scared. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 17:46, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok la, mo mantai. Sorry for over-reacting: I did not mean to be rude!olivier 06:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Flag of Macao
The Macao flag you uploaded a couple of years ago (Image:Mc-lgflag.JPG) has been replaced by Commons:Image:Macao flag 300.png and listed for deletion. Mysid ( talk ) 11:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem. olivier 11:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

La Lanterne
In case you're not watching it, I removed the speedy tag from La Lanterne. See Talk:La Lanterne. Rd232 talk 10:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Henry the Navigator
An article that you've edited before (Henry the Navigator) is nominated for Biography Collaboration of the Week. If you want go there and vote. Thanks. Gameiro 20:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Nancy
I saw that you moved the pics in the Nancy article. The problem is that some large spaces now appear in the article with Internet Explorer. That's the reason why I had collected most of the pictures below the table, so that they are arranged automatically on the right hand side, without these spaces. Cheers. olivier 10:32, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for letting me know of that problem. I was never aware of it as I only use Firefox for my editting. The page itself would look like as it is on FF, because it's the standard, etc. But since we inevitably have more people viewing with IE, should we revert back? -- WB 10:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I used Firefox for a while and noticed quite a few "problems" with viewing pictured in Wikipedia. My suggestion would be: if the prior version was OK with Firefox, then let us revert to this prior version, since it appears better in IE, and yes, most people use IE. If the prior version looked bad with FF, then let us keep the new one. olivier 10:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Not too much of a viewing problem, but the edit links get messed up when we dump images into one place. -- WB 00:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Government of Hong Kong
Do you think the article should better be moved to Hong Kong Government? The latter is the much more common conventional short form. Furthermore many government of.. articles are actually about the government aspects (see government) of the country, i.e. all three branches, instead of specifically the executive organ. &mdash; Instantnood 17:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Peer review/Yuan (surname)
If you have a minute, could you take a look at the article Yuan (surname) - I've put it up for peer review (see Peer review/Yuan (surname)/archive1). I hope to make it a model for expanding other Chinese surname articles. Since you've contributed to the Chinese surname article, I would really appreciate your suggestions. Yu Ninjie 21:57, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Arrondissements of the Pas-de-Calais département
Hi, I now need to do some hand editing to add back information from the article's history. Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk   07:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Can you clarify? Which article are you talking about? olivier 07:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've done this now to the article in the title.  It was easiest to let the bot create a new verion of the page and then add the existing See also section back by hand.   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk   13:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

French Directory
Could I ask you to weigh in at Talk:Directory (political) about the recent move of French Directory to Directory (political)? Thanks. Jmabel | Talk 03:07, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Dating system
Please stop making edits merely to change Christian-style dates (BC, AD) to secular ones (BCE, ACE). While it not considered vandalism, it has been known to lead to Edit Wars, and can subsequently get you blocked for violating the 3RR. If you feel the need to change BC and AD to BCE and ACE, please incorporate the change into a larger edit. Thanks. Roy Al Blue 17:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * You are kidding, right? Did I do that? one time 2 years ago? olivier 17:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Good call, Olivier. By double-checking the history of the Battle of Aquae Sextae, I have discovered that this message was indeed sent in error. I was comparing your edit to someone else's, and must have forgotten which one was which. Sorry about that, please disregard the previous message. Roy Al Blue 20:12, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem. olivier 13:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Paris Page
Olivier,

I see that you are one of the Paris page's original contributors, and would like to ask your opinion and perhaps help in situation that has blown all out of proportion.

I'll try to make this short: I've been trying to improve the Paris page since four months now, but am in a "stall/revert" deadlock with Hardouin. I had been advised to wait for consensus which I did, in the meantime working on the edits I thought would be useful. After a few months of unanswered talk meassages (REAMS of them) I finally announced that I was going to make the first changes, only to be "warned" that my changes would be "massively reverted" by "other users". Sure enough, my changes were reverted, but by Hardouin himself, and it has been the same way ever since. Only a few weeks ago I thought to look at the Paris page's history, and found that in fact Hardouin is the authour of over half the page.

I understand that the Paris page in its original version had a "tourist nostalgia" theme unsuitable to a modern city, but its present version is an equally-untrue yet vague "thriving unbroken metropolis" theme inaccessible to the average reader for its lack of explanation (numbers cited, regions, etc). This is only my second misgiving, because what first motivated me into wanting to edit the page was its haphazard order and cut-and-paste writing style. I have nothing at all against a modern theme (and in fact am quite for it) but the information there must in some way be sorted, explained and cited in a way comprehensible to the uninformed "greater user". Remember that this is English wiki.

As it stands Hardouin not only refuses all discussion about change, the only "improvements" he has undertaken is to add even more inaccessable statistics to an already full page architecture in leaving his "original" and contested texts unaltered and unreferenced; what's more, should anyone dare to make changes, he reverts, and that without even accomodating the reasons changes were made in the first place - always the answer is a smokescreen of vague details that themselves (IMHO purposely) miss the point completely. For myself all of the above tactics together are paramount to "squatting" the page, and as far as I see, without any outside opinion or consensus in this matter, this behaviour will continue undaunted and the page will remain unchanged - or worse.

Over the past months I have become mired in the "what will be reverted and what not" details of the changes I propose, but I would like this rather silly situation to stop so that we can get back to worrying about what is most important in the Paris page - or any Wiki page for that matter - its content and quality.

Thanks for your time.

ThePromenader 11:04, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Olivier, I see you have added comments on the Paris discussion page, which is a good thing since I was getting really tired with this dialogue de sourd with Josefu (aka ThePromenador). Could you specifically express your opinion about the introduction? Josefu has rewritten the introduction entirely, because he thinks the introduction as it stands now is so totally flawed that it can't be amended, it needs to be entirely deleted and replaced with an introduction of his own. Could you read the introduction as it stood until now and the introduction that Josefu wrote instead, and let people know what you think? Personally, I think a Wikipedia user should not single-handedly replace entirely the introduction of one of the most read articles on Wikipedia. I have already told him that if he thinks there are wrong statements or wrong figures in the introduction, he should delete them (with sources backing his deletion), and if he things there is any info that is missing in the introduction, he should add it. But to simply change the introduction entirely, I think it's a bit far fetched. Besides, I find many of the sentences he wrote quite awkward (I'm talking of style), but then that's just my own opinion. What do you think? Hardouin 15:24, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Paris Page II
(unrelated to the discussion above) I note that you removed the text "Paris is one of the global cities" and reverted it back to "Along with New York, London and Tokyo, it is often listed as one of the four major global cities." The thing is, "global city" is a well-defined term (see the article), and there are just the four "major" ones. So it might be ok to leave out the hedging. But I wanted to know if you had a different perspective on things. Stevage 15:15, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


 * "Global city" is well defined in the context of the related article. On the other hand, many people have their own definition of what a "global city" may be and the statement "Paris is one of the [four] global cities" may seem to lack supporting evidence for the many people who won't bother clicking on the global city link. Another way to phrase it would be "Paris is one of the [four] global cities according to the GaWC Inventory", but that sounds quite specific and therefore the phrasing "it is often listed as one of the" is true and will sound more exceptable to most readers, I believe.olivier 15:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, perhaps it should be is one of the four "Global Cities" or something to make it clear the term has a particular meaning. Anyway the Paris article has far worse problems than this. Stevage 15:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Arrondissements of the xx département
Hi, I notice you've been doing cleanup on these articles. If you have any suggestions for changes to the program that generates them, please let me know - they might be easier to do programatically rather than having to cleanup manually. I'd be especially interested in any thoughts you have on categories or templates. Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk  21:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

EB 1911
Hi Olivier, I see that you work with articles on French geography. Do you happen to know that the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, available online, contains tons of material on French cities, particularly on their history and sights. It is copyfree, so you may want to use it to improve France-related articles. Today, I adapted some stuff to expand the articles on Evreux and Vauban, but my main sphere of interests lies elsewhere. Good luck, Ghirlandajo 22:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Yes I know that EB 1911 has a lot of yet untapped info about French towns, although quite a bit of this may be outdated, for instance regarding the economics. In any case, it could be interesting to set up a list of French towns articles available in EB 1911 and have a status page about the porting of the content into Wikipedia. We could use WikiProject French communes as a place to organize this work. olivier 06:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

choisy
You did a nice update of the Choisy article. Thanks


 * Welcome. olivier 10:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Carnac
Just to say thanks for adding the infobox to this article! I assume the "Population density" figure is also from 1999, so instantiated accordingly. Hope this is correct. Best wishes, David Kernow 11:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * You are welcome. The population density date thing is a recent addition I disagree with as a whole, but in this case you did it properly. Thanks. olivier 10:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello
I am going through the list of protected user pages. Any reason why yours is still protected? Let me know on my talk page. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 06:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 10:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)