User talk:Omer123hussain/Archive 4

Some non-technical questions and comments

 * "One third of the city's slums have basic service connections"

What is "basic service connections"?


 * Two page number needed tags have been added to the article (slums section). Please provide page numbers for those information. You can use the Template:Rp for adding page numbers after citation, as I have done a few times in the article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * "Economy" section is not good. It is heavy with unnecessary names of IT companies. the section says that the largest sector is "traditional manufacturing", but does not give any example, while software companies are named randomly. Also, no mention of unorganized sector such as hawkers, roadside businesses, unskilled labours etc (there is just a mention of Laad Bazaar). There must be a large number of people in unorganized sector, even outnumbering the employees in the posh offices.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

GAN Hyderabadi haleem
Hi,

I have been reviewing your nomination at Talk:Hyderabadi haleem/GA1. I have made a few copy edits, which you are free to change.

It's a interesting, well written article and I'm ready to pass it as a GA. The dead link needs to be removed. Do you have any comments to me first? Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 20:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I completed the review and there are a few small fixes needed. No big problems. Please read my comments at Talk:Hyderabadi haleem/GA1. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 17:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Hederabad further comments
Ok. I will have a look. Please keep copy in the Economy of Hyderabad, India article so that nothing is permanently lost -- you have toiled hard behind gathering all these data. I will do some merciless (!) copyediting in the economy section later on.

It is nice to see BHEL, DRDO etc mentioned. I know it is very difficult to find out, but it would have been great if the article had some sentences on informal sector as well (as I mentioned earlier, roadside hawkers, casual labors, jugaars etc). But if you do not find anything, it is ok.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I Knew, my sixth sence reminded me, that you minght defenately ask or give the homework of informal/unorganized economy sector :), that's why i kept it ready and now I had added some text about informal economy to the bottom of the article, please advice for further extension if required there. Regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow! That's a very solid source. I must commend you on your searching capabilities. Will do copyediting later. After economy is done, next major section would be culture. Once that is done, the article might be quite ready, at least content-wise. Meanwhile, continue to rectify references.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This also could be a good source, although not Hyderabad specific. I don't know if it specifically addresses Hyderabad at all. But the document is very important. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Page 71 of This one also provides some data. Also, I stumbled upon this news article -- perhaps it is already used in the haleem article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, rather directly adding in either article, below here I am collecting some informal sector text with source. Please advice earlier to include in the article.--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:42, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Among other Informal sector:


 * Bricks and Blocks manufactures.
 * The survey of manufacturers of bricks & blocks in Hyderabad. Majority of the manufacturers are small-scale operator, This industry in Hyderabad provides employment to around 19,200 persons, the estimated total annual production of bricks in and around Hyderabad is approximately 131 crore, (4 lakh fly ash bricks, 5.1 lakh cement bricks and 43 lakh traditional bricks per day).

Some baklava for you!

 * Give him some haleem instead!--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:39, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * hehehhee, Thanks!! Tito, of-course but it will be first for you :), and really appreciate and impressed with your editing ability, and specially for todays editing, which is similar to feature status for me. Regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah excellent! In Kolkata there is almost no way to get this dish (and I have never tasted it too)! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  00:08, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tito, Haleem is very much available in certain parts of Kolkata, especially during Ramzan. Central Kolkata ( Near Islamia Hospital in Central region) and Rajabazaar are two such location, there may be many more. I have eaten quite a few times, although that may not be as authentic as the Hyderabadi variety.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Every place had its importance and specialty, In our native Kolkata sweets are very much admired, any way by mid July Ramzan will start, and you all will receive Hyderabadi Haleem again as to boost with more energy for editing on WP. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 07:59, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Haleem is not available easily in Kolkata and not a common dish too.
 * Are o Sambha, kab hain Holi Ramzan? kab hain Holi Ramzan? Ha? -- Tito Dutta  ✉  00:42, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * G sardar! probably 20 July say, dont worry sardar!!, apkay lea Hyderabad say haleem import karle jayegi sardar. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

CUlture of Hyderabad issues and reference problems
Although the lead of the article tells that the city has distinct tradition in drama, art, theatre, literature, architecture and cuisine, the culture section barely mentions drama, does not mention there and literature at all. Try to gather info these. You can add the info to culture section, or to the daughter article Culture of Hyderabad, India, and then notify me. I see there is some Urdu poets mentioned in Hyderabadi Muslims, that could bayous starting point. Try to find out some book sources.

Another issue, the references are overall very poorly formatted. I found many references where the last and first names of the author was interchanged. I fixed as many as I could. Also, some newspapers articles lacked author information even though the articles had author info. Overall you are doing magnificent job, the article should be ready soon. As of now, main concern is proper formatting of references; content-wise,mthe article is almost there! Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, So first-I'll fix the Drama and literature,part. Next: verify and fix the references. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 07:54, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabadi haleem for FA?
That would need loads of work. The collection and in-depth reading of whatever sources are available is needed. I think the article, as of now, does not have a broad coverage of the topic, as far as FA criteria are concerned. Read all the newspaper articles in depth, and add materials from those. More importantly, look for some book. Any language book (Urdu or Telugu) will do. A proper book (or may be a published paper) would be immensely helpful.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad proceedings
First round of copyedit has been done. Please continue to improve the references. Please see the changes i made to many references. Some references do not have the full title (especially book references), many do not have the name of the authors (especially newspaper articles), and many author names are wrongly mentioned (first and last name got interchanged. Last name means surname, and first name is the given name). I have fixed some of the references. You need to go through all of them. If such errors persist, the article would not stay in the FAC for long!

Content-wise, very good. Just those concerns in the culture section that I mentioned earlier. You can add sentences in Culture of Hyderabad, India, and then inform me. I will add information from that daughter article appropriately to Hyderabad article. Or else, you can go ahead and add the info in Hyderabad article, i will copyedit later. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Great work! You have done wonderful research. Now, I think we will have to re-structure the Culture section in Hyderabad. Let me try.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okk. Done. I have re-structured the culture section. Incorporated new stuffs. Deleted some other stuff. (the size of the article is one issue we have to keep in mind). In the process, the Mecca Masjid image was removed. Place some better image somewhere!--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:45, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would not worry on images and montage right now (although I do not like the present montage). First and foremost, improve reference formatting. After that, image can be handled. Meanwhile you can keep hunting for good images in general. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:24, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
See the montage of Andhra Pradesh article which was created by me.If you are satisfied by my performance, I would create one for Hyderabad too..:)   TheStrike  Σagle   08:49, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit war
You've editwarred your version back into the article without even replying at the discussion at the talk page. That is disruptive.. please avoid that... first come to a consensus and the repeat your reverted edits if you get consensus for those. -- lTopGunl (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Se the talk page first, and I hope this applies to you also. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:48, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it also applies to me... the difference being, I made one revert as norm... see WP:BRD, that might help on how it works. Replying at talk. -- lTopGunl (talk) 14:50, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Author name, once again...
You are doing a great job in improving the references. However, one thing I am not sure why you are unable to maintain. The last| and first| for author name. Do you have difficulty in understanding which one is last name and which one first? For example, for the reference named "Bhola R. Gurjar", the last name is Gurjar, and the first name Bhola R. You worked on that reference, but did not change this. However, you did the things correctly when you inserted |last=Gopal|first=M.Sai for a reference. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:19, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your guidance, Unfortunately still I am getting coufused in correcting names, for insance in some books author name is written :M. Sai Gopal and in few books they write Gopal, M Sai. This is confusing me very much.
 * Can you please let me know which is correct among this below situations for three names??
 * For instance Aishwarya Rai Bachchan, in this case (1) |first=Aishwarya Rai |last=Bachchan. OR (2) |first=Aishwarya, |last=Rai Bachchan.
 * Which is correct 1st or 2nd ??
 * There are some exceptions. But in general the following can be followed—for Aishwarya Rai Bacchchan, the correct will be |first=Aishwarya Rai |last=Bachchan. If she was an author of a book, her name might appear in the book cover as either Aishwarya Rai Bacchchan or Bachchan, Rai Aishwarya.
 * A large number of authors have two part names. For example, Bruce Lee. Wirh such a two part name, it would be |last=Lee |first=Bruce.
 * With multiple part names, say Omer Mirza Hussain, it would be |last=Hussian|first=Omer Mirza.
 * In some cases, it may be difficult to determine which one is last and last name. For example, this name "Suresh T.". In many southern Indian names, this problem appears, when the name ends with a single alphabet! usually in this case I will do |last=T.|first=Suresh.
 * In the further reading section of Hyderabad, under "History", the first book's author is formatted correctly. "Austin, Ian" is the correct way to mention the name of the author "Ian Austin". However, the name of the second book's author is "John Law", and so it should be |last=Law|first=John, with the result being "Law, John". Similarly, the name of the author of the third book is "Usha Ramamrutham Bala Krishnan". In this case I would put |last=Krishnan |first=Usha Ramamrutham Bala.
 * In a few cases, the last name may be a pair of names joined by a hyphen. For example, "Michael Aboud-Dermesropian". I will do |last=Aboud-Dermesropian |first=Michael.
 * Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Reference problem
Marlis, Wipper; christoph, Dittrich (2007). "Analysis and action for sustainable development of Hyderabad" (PDF). Humboldt University of Berlin. pp. 9–25. Retrieved 18 June 2012.

Sharit, K.Bhowmik; Debdulal, Saha (2012). "Street vending in ten cities in India" (PDF). Tata Institute of Social Sciences. pp. 10–25. Retrieved 18 June 2012.

These 2 references are linked to the same PDF. This is an error. Please correct this. The first one needs linking to its appropriate PDF.--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:40, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In my view only pending issues are Sources correction and verification, Montage, ALT caption and Images verification, please advice if any other corrections are required. Regards. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:01, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In my view only pending issues are Sources correction and verification, Montage, ALT caption and Images verification, please advice if any other corrections are required. Regards. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:01, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

"Survey of child labour in slums of Hyderabad: final report" (PDF). Center for Good Governance, Hyderabad. 17 December 2008. Retrieved 16 May 2012.

This reference uses the ref name cgg Hyderabad1. In all the instances it has been used, page number is needed. It now has page numbers indicated in 2 or 3 instances. Use the Template:Rp to indicate page numbers, as has been used in the two instances.
 * with other sources also.

The same ref name Bhargava-Bhatt has been used for two separate sets of reference.

cite book|title=Land and people of Indian states and union territories.(2 Andhra Pradesh)|publisher=Kalpaz Publication|page=312|isbn=81-7835-358-X|last1=Bhargava|first1=Gopal K.|last2=Bhatt|first2= S.C.|year=2006
 * I will fix this one.

and

cite book|title=Land and people of Indian states and union territories|publisher=Kalpaz Publication|pages=330–399|year=2006|isbn=81-7835-358-X|first1=Bhargava|last1=Gopal K|first2=Bhatt|last2=S.C.|accessdate=6 May 2012
 * (unable to find this source) --Omer123hussain (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Note the page numbers are different. This ref name has been used quite a few times. So, make sure you are citing the correct page numbers in each case. You should change the ref name for individual page ranges. Or, you can use the template:Rp, as above. This template is good to use when you use the same book multiple times to cite.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Link rot and images
Use this link to test if the web links are dead. If dead, please replace with alive/archived links, or replace ref.

Regarding images, the majority of images show some or other building. Try to find out some non-building images. Where is that Bidriware image? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:08, 27 June 2012 (UTC) Thanks for rot link, By this week end we will complete all the pending corrections. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Ready for the ride?
Don't worry about the montage. Put the article on WP:FAC. Will change montage if needed.

Read the nomination procedure. The peer review has been closed, and a bot will archive it.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:36, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Just a moment, the precipitation and temperature data in the article infobox does not tally with what has been mentioned in the climate section. Please update the infobox.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:38, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The post independence history section, at the end, will need mention of the two bombing attackes that took place in 2007, somfarawi remember. No reference is need as such just to mention the two attackes, unless you mention something like the group that claimed responsibility for attack (which I think is not needed in this article).--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Omer123hussain (talk) 16:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Musi River stays Musi River. Do not change it to Musi river. There is some MoS rule about this, I can not remember exactly. But that's the norm.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:39, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ok. Start the FAC. After the next two weeks, I may not be available as much. So, start it as soon as you wake up! Plenty of more issues will come up during FAC, will have to manage those. Best of luck.--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:28, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for green signal, wish for the best. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:40, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

FAC proceedings
Ok, there are two options now. One, withdraw the FAC, and correct the blatant errors in prose, and submit it for copyediting in in WP:GUILD. Second, try to fixn it and continue the FAC.

I should confess that I did not really expect the FAC to pass the article, however I did not expect so many simple errors either. Perhaps I should have gone through the article much more thoroughly. My personal concern was prose quality, which turnes out to be the main issue. But even in prose, I thought such blatant errors like the spelling mistakes would not be present. I have been editing from non-computer gadgets such as iPad and iPhone lately, and that could have introduced many of the unforgivable mistakes pointed out in the FAC.

Anyway, if I were you, I would withdraw the FAC, and re-submit it in 2-4 weeks. The timeline is not important, but important is getting it seen by some of non-involved editors. And as one reviewer noted, a native English speaker ( not any native English speaker, but one with good sense of prose) would be the best person to have a look at it. Such a person may be difficult to get, but one shot may be the guild of copyeditors ( however, the guild is overburdened, and it may be difficult to get one of them).

Now, do not get disheartened. I kind of expected something similar to this! I am pretty sure the article would be an FA in near future. The most important thing is prose. One reviewer noted the prose is not engaging, which is true. It is a very very difficult task to make a city article prose to be engaging. However, at least it should be error-free. We can try to ensure that. Engaging/interesting prose writing is a skill beyond my knowledge of English.

So, my suggestion would be, since you are the FAC nominator, declare that then FAC brought several issues, particularly prose issues, that need more thorough examination. So, the article is being withdrawn from FAC, and more work will be done on it, and then re-submit.

One thing I must tell you, the article is very comprehensive, and this is one aspect very difficult to achieve in any big city articles. This is a really commendable achievement.

So, what is your opinion? Bye the way, you can keep the FAC ongoing, and try to improve the prose, but it would be a very steep task.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:23, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think there will be many more reviews, as three major opposes are already there. The main problem is quality of prose, for which help from others will be needed, after we ensure that silly errors are taken care of. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:25, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, peer review is not needed now. First, get rid of silly errors. You can copy-paste passages from the article to MS word, and check for spelling errors; this will eliminate some errors (however, it may underline some words that are ok in Indian English but not ok in US English, depending on what is set as default in MS Word). Another way is to print out a copy of the article, and read it on paper (we are more able to pick up errors when reading something on paper than on screen)
 * After we get rid of silly erorrs, the article should be submitted to WP:GUILD for copy edit help.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, its good idea, to check in ms/word first. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:07, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * well, you are doing the exactly same mistake as I feared. Indian English versus american English. In Indian and British English, the spellings are neighbour, labour etc. in American negligence, those are neighbor, labor etc. note the u.
 * We follow Indian English in India related articles. And in a given article, one style needs to be followed consistently. So, please revert those changes you did. That is, revert back to neighbour from neighbor. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I may not be available as much in the next several weeks, perhaps months. Will keep an eye on the proceedings, but may not be able to edit the article as much. Please continue the work as outlined above. MS word (or Google doc) checking for spelling mistakes, then if possible, a print version checking for any errors, then submit the article for copyediting in WP:GUILD. After that, FAC. As of now, this is the only city article from India that is anywhere near FAC -- I am pretty sure about that. So, Hyderabad will definitely become a featured article. (Bye the way, I will look in the last failed FAC, and tell you if something else needs to be done, such as what should be the criteria for including the names of notable personalities -- this is a really difficult issue; we may even need to get rid of many names). Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay best of luck and thanks for your concern, Probably I will also be busy this month, but any way we will work out and make it FA, Regards :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 19:39, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

– Lionel (talk) 02:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Justice007 (talk) 23:44, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks for your encouragement, and good work on India related articles. :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 12:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Omer that line in the article is a controversial WP:SYNTHESIS to support a POV. did you look at the sources? none of them support the content, please do have look at the sources and references before replying on the dispute, thanks. -- D Big X ray  13:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * @DBigXray, Thanks for your understanding and it is an honour to be get recognized by editor such as your kind self. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Aug 2012
I thought reorg map of Hyderabad state is appropriate in the history section of Hyderabad.Ramcrk (talk) 19:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Check the diff you added here, one of them is an edit link.

Reference citation

 * Hi, you removed this reliable source, please do not under estimate my accessment of the sources, I do not add poor sources that you or may be some other editors think. You made error removing the reference from article Muhammad Iqbal, there is cite error tag in section "References", fix that. Please take a look at English section this and its editorial board, is it not reliable source?!!.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 01:10, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

On Hyderabad
How are you? I see Hyderabad is getting great copiedits. You can start planning a FAC after the copyediting completes.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have not read the article lately, so do not know how it is now. I think you can ask for comments, if any, in India notice board. Just tell that you are planning FAC, and the article had a failed FAC followed by GOCE copyedit, and you are asking for any other opinion.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have a problem with the references. Take a look at the article India, it uses the Sfn for the refs, and that looks much neater. I thought of applying the same here. See my comment on the talk page in the last section. Secret of success (talk) 15:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...Well, you're right. But that's anyway not necessary for an article to pass FA. Articles like Indonesia and Japan, which are FA's do not have it. What about other aspects? See the external links of these two articles, they have many more. In the references, author should be included wherever possible, and so should date, accessdate, title, and publisher. We should make sure that minor things like these are taken care of before going a step further. I'll get back to the article quite soon. Secret of success (talk) 15:26, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

you are needed at Telugu cinema article immediately
some one is vandalising the page Telugu cinema, users vensatry and secret of success are reverting back new edits with 2010 edits, just revert those edits and do the needful, restrict agenda driven vandalism Ba7431 (talk) 11:27, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, You are right; we need to update 2010 statistics with 2012 if available with RS, as well as Vansatry and SOS are right to rescue the article from over flowery edits, any way I shall be active there once I am back on WP actively very soon. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:25, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad
Hey, thanks for writing such a thorough article! Couple of things I saw was there's no mention of Telugu in the lead, and a few paragraphs end without a citation. I'll review more thoroughly later, but at first sight it looks great to me.—indopug (talk) 18:06, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your advice, yes some of the paragraphs are without citations as we removed those with the consensus due to over load of the citations. Will definitely co-operate for improvement of the article. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

R you sure there was any riot after the bomb blasts? please source it.Hometech (talk) 21:25, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:00, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The nomination procedure was incomplete. I just added the FAC nomination in the FAC list page.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * tons of Thanks for being always there to help us. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

FAC proceedings
Majority of the points raised by Hamiltonstone are related to the prose. However, major concern remains regarding the structure of administration. So you have to restructure or add additional information in administration section. For prose improvement, I will try to do some later. If you have difficulty in understanding some points raised by Hamilton, you can ask to clarify, stating that English not being our first language we may not be aware of certain details or usage of the language. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response, I am really confused with his first remark, may be he misunderstood the Hyderabad state with Hyderabad city, or I am not understanding what exactly he wants to point out. Well, for other points I will work it out today. :)Regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 14:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes there is a confusion between the state and the city. So we will have to figure out a way to distinguish those clearly. Perhaps somewhere towards the beginning we have to mention something like, " Hyderabad remained the capital of its namesake state, the Hyderabad state" or something like this. However, the other point that one thing can not be added to three things is scientifically true! It should be something like, " the state was divided into three parts; those divisions became parts of Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Maharashtra." Maybe the prose needs to be improved. I will think about this later. You now concentrate on how to improve the administration section. Mention the functions of GHMC ( water, road improvement, street light or whatever the functions are).
 * And, please archive a large portion of this talk page. It takes a long time to load this page, which is irritating.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have addressed many issues raised by the reviewer. However, you need to handle the administration section. Have a look at Government_and_public_services section of Kolkata. See how the different agencies involved in the administration of the city (and their different sizes) are described (in second paragraph of "Civic administration" subsection). You can try to do something like this. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:58, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope you are working on this, fast...--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:55, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I will complete it today :) Regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 12:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Archiving help
I also do not know much about the technical aspects of archiving. I used to do manual archiving. However, now I have automated archiving system. Please ask them to help you. Somebody from there might just do it for you. --Dwaipayan (talk) 04:54, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've copied in the magic text from Help:Archiving a talk page, so within 24 hours the archiving bot should move the older threads to an archive. From then on it will happen automatically. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:12, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * (More) That seems to have worked. There are some sections at the top with no date stamps, so the bot has left those. You will have to copy those into an archive by hand. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for helping to archive the page. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:38, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring
Hi, will you please not edit war at Aurangzeb. I've explained my rationale on the talk page, it is valid and if you wish to pursue the matter then I would suggest WP:RSN. However, before you query there I suggest that you read through the archives and also look at User talk:Utcursch. I don't want to sound "heavy" but I know what I am talking about here and there is a long-standing consensus that we avoid sources such as this one. As with your failed, unilateral attempt to introduce sfn to the article, my suspicion is that you are keen but ill-informed. I would be grateful if you would self-revert until such time as you can verify the statements using reliable sources. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 23:05, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, upon reflection, your last edit summary makes no sense at all and is somewhat worrying. Aurangzeb did not write the source but he did vet it and was a powerful ruler in an age of courtly sycophants. This effectively makes it a ghost-written autobiography. Furthermore, the reinstated section contains no requests for cites. What it does contain is my earlier request for page numbers, which were inserted prior to me realising that the source does not even deal with the period in question - it has the appearance of being a fake reference. I queried the fakeness on the talk page but no-one has yet explained it. I really do think that you need to revisit our core policies because, although you mean well, you are very off-course here. - Sitush (talk) 23:19, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer it if you kept conversations in one place in future. Most people do. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 11:32, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at WP:RSN, is considered bad practice, even if you meant it well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. '' I have attempted to fix your refactoring. You may need to review the indenting etc but please do not insert your comments among mine again - it was very, very confusing'' Sitush (talk) 12:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Differences of opinion
Hi Omer, I am a bit concerned that you've not edited for a few days. I hope that this is not because of our recent differences of opinion regarding Aurangzeb. Keep well, and keep contributing. - Sitush (talk) 09:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, Appreciate your concern, i've been very busy with some personal work since few days, will be back soon on the article. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 06:09, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

every city in INDIA faces socio-economic, logistic, and pollution - your point of view must be included in all cities - hyderabad is no exception - I THINK I HAVE SOME SENSE Vandevord (talk) 15:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

The failed FAC
Hi! Yes, the prose remains the vital issue even after copyedit by GoCE. I do not have any advice other than either re-submitting it for GoCE or contacting a native English-speaking copyeditor directly.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello.. well we can not quit the article from becoming FA, any way I to hope that we shall directly approach any Copy-editor. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:58, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You can ask . He is a Briton, and hence native British-English speaker.
 * You should inform him that the article was previously edited by one or two GoCE member (provide the names); even after their excellent edits, the article failed to meet FA criteria for prose. Finally, you should let him know that this is a large article, and there is no problem if it taks a long time to read/edit the article. --Dwaipayan (talk) 21:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I just had a glance on his talk page. It says, "I normally don't do copy edits requested here, but only those on the GOCE requests pages. However, I may make an exception if someone has made a request on a GOCE Requests page and received an unsatisfactory copy edit. If this has happened to you, please get the previous copy editor's consent first. Then I will do my best to help." So, inform the previous GoCE copyeditor(s).--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:13, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not know about the copyediting style of Moonriddengirl. If she is available to do it, of course you should ask for copyedit. IMO, you can go ahead and inquire.--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

content dispute - Hyderabad
Kindly stop storming the Hyderabad article, You cannot generalize what hyderabad is confronting as a growing city in a developing country, every city in India faces socio-economic problems, poverty and pollution, hyderabad is no special. Kindly stop inserting this statement, without consensus. Vandevord (talk) 05:16, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Kindly do not spoil the article, the sentence is an summary of the section Administration, Slums, transport etc. We need to mention it in the lead as the article is about a growing/developing city. and for your kind information it was included by the GA reviewers and the consensus was created already. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:55, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Content dispute
bangalore, chennai, mumbai, kolkata also faces logistical problems, pollution, traffic congestion, poverty etc. It is content dispute and not vandalism, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vandevord (talk • contribs) 05:37, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Content dispute
there is no rule that u have to include it in lead section, kindly stop your POV Vandevord (talk) 05:39, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Vandevort, calm down. This happens when you love a city and can not take some negative words about it :) This is not content dispute since the contents are adequately referenced in appropriate sections of the article. The lead does not need reference always if the comments are referenced in the article.
 * As for other cities, yes many cities have mentioned such problems in the body of the articles, and summarized briefly in the lead. For example, Kolkata. Of the city articles you mentioned, only Kolkata is a featured article. The article has retained featured status because it is comprehensive, and meets other FA criteria. That's what we are aiming to do in Hyderabad. Relax!--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Hii
I have included your statement, in the lead section, so kindly stop messaging me Vandevord (talk) 06:46, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad
Hiii -- you'll have seen what's going on, I expect. I'll wait to it dies down. No rush as far as I'm concerned. --Stfg (talk) 15:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't take too much trouble to revert each unhelpful edit to the article. I know how to get us where we want to be eventually, regardless of what any disruptive editors might do. Stay chilled :) --Stfg (talk) 13:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks, please let us know if any correction/ if we can do something (citation etc..) is required. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. Please keep an eye on its talk page, where I may occasionally ask questions. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 15:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi again. I've finished now, though I'll probably take another look in a couple of days when my head has cleared, to see if it still looks OK :) Please let me know if there's anything there that you want to change (or just go ahead and change it, of course). User:Sowmer, who added something about GDP to the Economy section, proved to be another sock, but I thought the addition could be quite useful, so I just copy edited it. If you prefer to delete it, that's OK. There are lots of things on the talk page and a few tags in the article itself that need dealing with before you go for another FAC. I'll keep it watchlisted for now and will be glad to help some more if anything comes up. Best, --Stfg (talk) 22:31, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I was inactive for a few days. Now will keep an eye on the article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad talk page
Hi, thanks for all your work on Hyderabad. We are asked not to alter other people comments on talk pages, including their positioning. While I appreciate you are working through a to do list, I wonder if you could find another way of organising the achieved and pending actions. Thanks very much Span (talk) 20:46, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay iv'e removed that. regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:55, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Span (talk) 21:33, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Montage
Sorry for the very late reply.I had an internet outage.BTW I was surprised to see no montage in the HYD page.Well I made one..completely with commons images.So I hope no license problems will arise now. Cheers   TheStrike  Σagle   09:39, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Good work Strike. Just a couple points I thought you'd like to note:


 * When you create a montage from images by different authors, please attribute them and provide a direct link to the commons page of each image. Many montages you recently created cite "own work" as the source. Remember, the license template says "you are free to share and remix only under the conditions of attribution."
 * In this montage, most of the images are good, but the Birla Mandir is of very low quality and doesn't flow with the other images of the picture. If you can a find a replacement for it, that would be good. Secret of success  ·  talk  09:46, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ tried my level best to find a substitute and uploaded it.and about the attribution, give me some time..my mobile net takes time to find the original files! Cheers  TheStrike  Σagle   10:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Attributions done Cheers  TheStrike  Σagle   10:21, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response its better, So will replace the montage now, hope there will be no licence issue while FA nomination. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Good work. It flows well with the page and posts a nice look. Secret of success  ·  talk  13:21, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

FAC
Go ahead with it, stfg has given the green signal. I have improved Education in India and added a bit on the 10+2+3 pattern. That may be suficient for now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:45, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There are lots of grammar mistakes in the nomination. I have asked stfg whether we should correct those or leave as it is.--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Fine. Stfg told to keep the nomination as it is. Let's now wait for comments :) Best of luck!--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:21, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's ok. No need to correct. As stfg explained, the reviewers will review the article, not the nomination! --Dwaipayan (talk) 22:35, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Hi Omer. I wish you and your loved ones a very happy new year in 2013. Please don't be anxious about the FAC yet. You never know what may come up. --Stfg (talk) 23:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Same to you and thanks for your wishes. Appreciate and grateful for your guidance always, will work as per your advice and suggestions...:)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:31, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Montage v2
Hi! I made another montage which I call the Version-2 of the previous one.Feel free to comment on it.I request the stalkers to comment as well. Cheers and a happy Sankranthi!  TheStrike  Σagle   13:39, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Very first thanks for reminding about sankaranti, during childhood days in Hyderabad, we use to severely wait for it, so that we can enjoy kite's games. mis it very much.........., Thanks for your efforts to organize the Montage part. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Miss them?...You dont stay in Hyderabad now!?  TheStrike  Σagle   03:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops Sry "Miss them" :), yes currently I do not stay in Hyderabad, but frequently visits. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:19, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

On the FAC
If you happen to make any edits in the article based on suggestions/questions in the FAC, please also update about that in the appropriate place in the FAC. It seems you made an edit to answer that query on decreasing foreign population, so you can update your activity in the FAC page, under that question.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:11, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for that :), Actually i was confused where to respond, either exactly after the query or in the bottom of all the queries. any way tons of thanks for guiding me. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:32, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That's ok. You posted in the right place. How are you otherwise? --Dwaipayan (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe, yes let's hope for the best. And yes, it's been and going to be a topsy turvy ride, and probably going to be a long-drawn one. It's good that you are keeping an eye, because your opinion/help in the article may be needed at any time.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:45, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * So, the FAC has been archived for now. The next thing that we can hope for is another copyedit, perhaps from Torchiest. Let's ask stfg if we should submit the article again formally to GoCE for copyedit request.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see this thread in the talk page of stfg. In the FAC, Dr Blofeld suggested enhancement of content by including some info on major landmarks (say, for example, two sentences on Charminar -- how it looks like, any significance, its iconic stature etc). I think you should go ahead and add, with reference, a bit of info on the landmarks that you think are really significant. This can be done in either "Geography and landmarks" subsection, or somewhere in "Culture").


 * Since you are a native of the city, I think you are in a good position to judge which landmarks to expand. For me (I have never been to Hyderabad), I think of course Charminar, Mecca Masjid, the Faluknama and Chowmahalla palaces, and Hussain Sagar should be in the list. What do you think?


 * After you add, we'll catch up with initial error-fixing. After all these are done, Torchiest will take up the major copy-edit.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:02, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Email
Please activate your email here, so that you can be emailed. Or else, you can email me from my talk page, we need to talk.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:45, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks :)- Its a great encouragement and motivation to have a barnstar from you. Hope very soon we will make Hyderabad a FA article. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:55, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks a lot Strike Eagle, Yes we hope it will be FA very soon. And appriciate your efforts to apply montage images to Hyderabad and AP articles. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
 TheStrike  Σagle   13:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad new stuffs
I am busy right now. I will get back to you later with suggestions on where to add those stuffs.--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I propose the following sturcture:

1 History

1.1 Toponymy

1.2 Early and medieval history

1.3 Nizam period

1.4 Post-independence

2 Geography

2.1 Topography

2.2 Climate

3 Administration

3.1 Local government

3.2 Utility services

3.3 Pollution control

3.4 Healthcare

4 Demographics

4.1 Ethnic groups, language and religion

4.2 Slums

5 Cityscape

5.1 Neighbourhoods

5.2 Landmarks

6 Economy

7 Transport

8 Culture

8.1 Literature

8.2 Music, performing arts and films

8.3 Art and handicraft

8.4 Cuisine

8 Media

9 Education

10 Sports

The changes, in a nutshell, are: Removal of "neighbourhodds and Landmarks" from Geography. Creating a new section called "Cityscape", including two subsections: Neighbourhood and Landmarks. Removing the Architecture subsection from Culture. The content of Architecture section should be merged within the soon-to-be Landmarks.

Such Citiscape section are not uncommon, examples: San Francisco and New York City. Also, the cityscape section can be moved up, right after the Geography section.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, you add stuffs, I will follow through later.--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Have a look at Paris. It has good coverage of landmarks. However the way it is written (bullet list style) may not be a good idea for Hyderabad. I'll look into what you added.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:25, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait for some time.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:25, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello
How are you? Thanks for your comment on Mother India in the article's talk page. As you can see, I have been busy in that article, and could not look at Hyderabad. How is that going? I did copyedit a little bit after you added/modified text in the landmarks section.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:12, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Personal note from nominator
Please be assured that i recognize the seriousness of these attacks, and that they need thorough coverage. I think the article title may be too new a phrase just yet, and i want to generate discussion to make sure this important subject gets proper attention and careful editing. The incidents will definitely be covered on WP, im just not sure of the best venue.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 00:35, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Buddhist Terrorism for deletion
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Thailand and Cambodia

 * http://asiantribune.com/news/2012/10/21/letter-america-buddhist-terrorism-–-no-longer-myth

The article claims the khmer rouge was buddhist. If the khmer rouge were buddhist then the BJP is made out of fanatical islamists.


 * The Khmer Rouge regime relentlessly pursued the systematic destruction of Buddhism from Cambodian society. Between 1970 and 1973, nearly a third of the country's 3,369 monasteries were destroyed, although many may have fallen ...


 * Following the Khmer Rouge victory in 1975, all temples and monasteries throughout Cambodia were closed, and Buddhist activities and rituals were forbidden, including those concerned with burials and commemorating the dead.


 * The Khmer Rouge had been pointing to the burden that around 60,000 unproductive monks placed on the country. Additionally, Buddhism was recast as a foreign, hence 'unpatriotic' religion, with origins in Thailand," and the morality of the monks was openly criticized.


 * Pol Pot's soldiers also attacked Khmer institutions from the precolonial past, including the sangha, the Buddhist order of monks. In a systematic manner the Khmer Rouge attempted to obliterate Buddhism from Cambodian society, destroying


 * 27 * * The 1948 United Nations Convention on Genocide can be applied to the Khmer Rouge regime's persecution and slaughter of three categories of Cambodian victims: "religious groups" like the Buddhist monks; "ethnical or racial groups" ...


 * Equally traumatic to many Cambodians were the massive desecration and destruction of Buddhist temples, the forced ...

In Thailand, violence is only between Malays and Thais. The Malays want to bring back the Malay Pattani Sultanate, Malay nationalism is mixed with Islam so that is why people misperceive Thai policy against Malays as against all Muslims. There is no violence between Chinese muslims in Thailand and Buddhist Thais, or between Thai muslims and buddhist Thai.

[http://books.google.com/books?id=7QEjPVyd9YMC&pg=PA121#v=onepage&q&f=false this article written by a Chinese muslim notes Thailand's liberal policies towards chinese muslims, granting them citizenship and contrasts it with how intolerant Myanmar is. the thai king visited mosques and presented them with qurans]

The former commander in chief of the Thai military was muslim General Sonthi Boonyaratglin.

And fyi, Cham muslims are not native to Cambodia. They are descendants of refugees from Vietnam's conquest of Champa, and the cambodian king allowed them into Cambodia to settle there. There was no violence until the Khmer Rouge.

Rajmaan (talk) 18:15, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

What do?
I have removed the panorama from montage as you asked.But everyone seem to like the previous one!! What to do!? Of course I have no problem in using any of the two ..both were made by me!! cheers  TheStrike  Σagle   09:57, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Skyline
I have asked for the permission to use this imageand also asked User:Adityamadhav83 for some shots if possible..hope it is sorted out soon...Iam glad to be called a vandal...it's rather funny... :) Cheers  TheStrike  Σagle   13:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Hii
original montage is this, and this montage photo quality is good Murrallli (talk) 16:11, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Maha Laqa Bai
Very good work you have done in the article. One thing, you have to be consistent on using the name. From birth until she gets the title of Maha Laqa, she can be called Chanda. But, afterwards in the article, you have to consistently use one name, either Maha Laqa, or, Maha Laqa Bai. I think Maha Laqa is appropriate to use, as that is a title, and was probably most frequently used in sources. So, change the article in that way. Meanwhile, I have copyedited the article to some extent.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:24, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your motivation, due to your busy schedule i did not want to bother you. Actually it was my wish if you could have a look there and very thanks for your updates at the article, Hope it will be GA soon. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

charminar temple update
I have added some content which is potentially in the pubic domain. if you are interested in pdating the main page, please have a look.

75.49.251.113 (talk) 12:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks will use that defenately. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:51, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad in GoCE
Previously, expressed an interest in copyediting the article. But at that time, Hderabad was removed from GoCE pending other changes. Now, you can request Baffle gab once again to see if he has the time/interest to do the copyedit. Meanwhile I have requested Dr Blofeld to have a look at it to check if his concerns in the last FAC seem to have been addressed.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed the start of GoCE activity there.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hyderabad ref
Hi, I saw that you added in a ref for the tag that I left. You might want to cross post that to the Hyderabad pearls article. That's completely unreffed. Blackmane (talk) 13:19, 3 May 2013 (UTC)