User talk:Omorhok

Nationality
We do not write ethnicity in the lead, but nationality. See WP:ETHNICITY, WP:NATIONALITY. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * That's a oversimplification of the guidelines within WP:ETHNICITY. I defer to the exception "lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". Ray made Bengali films, it's what he was notable for (30+ in Bengali while only 2 in Hindi). Let me know what you think Omorhok (talk) 16:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ray is not a Bengali-ethno-nationalist, so ethnicity is not relevant there. Also note the text "if the person is notable mainly for past events." in the policy. Making films in a certain language doesn't qualify for that. If Ray had been instrumental for doing something especially for the Bengali community then perhaps. People like Sheikh Mujibur Rahman would qualify in my opinion, even then thse should be discussed in appropriate venues, talk pages, etc - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:15, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * These guidelines are only secondary to what reliable WP:3PARTY and other WP:RS describe the subjects as. Which is overwhelmingly Indian for Ray and other articles that the user here has edited (the nationality in the leads of post-1947 citizens should not even be in question). Simply put Wikipedia is not a place for ethnic WP:POVPUSH. Gotitbro (talk) 14:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk You’re making the claim that he has to be a Bengali ethno nationalist in order to be introduced as Bengali? The guideline is very clear on the ethnicity simply being “relevant to the subjects notability”. Ray made films in Bengali, about Bengal and in Bengal. I don’t know how much more notable he could have been for Bengali films

@gotitbro It is not overwhelmingly Indian for Ray. And a quick Google search for “Satyajit Ray Bio” instantly confirms this. I find it absurd that as soon as an attempt is made to more closely follow the guidelines on leads - this is a POVPUSH - but simply labelling all ethnicities as Indians regardless of their contributions is somehow immune from this label? I could make exactly the same claim about the opposite position - which is why references to absolute guidelines need to be made rather than unsubstantiated claims on “overwhelming” majorities Omorhok (talk) 17:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)