User talk:Oneidman

Your citations for Appelbaum's article
Heya, just saw your edit to Appelbaum's article. It looks like you replaced the cryptome primary source. Unfortunately, secondary sources can't be a news aggregate site (like YCombinator, Slashdot, Digg, Reddit, etc), and they can not be a blog post that only copies the original material. From WP:SECONDARY, secondary sources contain "an author's analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources." Your best bet is to use a source from a notable news organization that references these emails. --Elephanthunter (talk) 05:55, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. I'm learning a lot of Wikipedia lore from this latest experience. Here is the problem with these two primary sources: No website except for aggregators appears to have published full text or links to full text on Cryptome. The letters were both released anonymously and were received by Cryptome and many other news organizations. Several articles exist that refer to the letters or even quote them, but none of these articles provides a reference or names a source. I can cite these articles, but I would also like to provide a link to the primary sources that the articles themselves suppress. Any suggestions? Oneidman (talk) 23:00, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is meant to be a tertiary source of information, summarizing information gleaned from reliable secondary sources. If reliable secondary sources (such as news articles) have written about these documents, then we can write about the documents as well; but if they haven't, then we can't. When you say that several articles exist that refer to/quote the documents, what articles are you referring to? --Dodi 8238 (talk) 12:09, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Update: I found some secondary coverage about Appelbaum's March 2015 suspension. One of the articles refers to the letter that the Tor Project's HR-manager had written to Appelbaum at the time. I haven't found any secondary coverage of the Tor/Appelbaum Separation Agreement. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 19:05, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I also found the earliest publication of the suspension letter and substituted that for the Cryptome citation, which came two days later. The Wired reference only has Andrea alluding to the suspension, so I cited instead a lengthy German article on golem.de that also points to a different primary publication of the letter. I think the suspension letter is nailed down now. I will look for secondary sources about the separation agreement next. Oneidman (talk) 19:40, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Hey there. Please check Talk:Jacob Applebaum   QuelleChose1  ™    —Preceding undated comment added 12:21, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

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