User talk:Onel5969/Archive 73

Archive 61: December 2019

Draft:Rolling_Stone_College_Papers move
Hello,

I am confused by your move of the Rolling Stone College Papers page to a draft page with the explanation that it "does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published." The article was a stub consisting of three sentences, each of which has a citation. In any event, I had only intended to fix a couple of inbound redlinks by creating a stub page, and then tracking down citations for what was stated thus far.

As |Liz said last month, it'd be a lot more helpful if you tried to improve the article yourself rather than moving it to the Draft space for it to rot. If you feel it shouldn't exist as an article, could I instead ask you to just move this to AfD and remove the wikilinks to the article, which is all I was trying to correct? I don't have the time to try to expand the article so let's just delete it if you think it ought not exist. Fogster (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. Well you shouldn't be confused. Your throwing an example which dealt with a specific instance, which has nothing in common with this draftification, is totally bogus.  And the stub, while having 3 sources, doesn't have a single valid source from an independent, reliable secondary source. Tumblr is not a reliable source, and neither is the Great Thompson Hunt. The third source is simply a primary listing from the corporate website. Not going to waste other editors' time at AfD with something so poorly sourced. Draftifying or redirecting (if an appropriate target can be found) is the correct procedure in this instance. WP is a volunteer concept, and I only work on articles which interest me, which this does not. Draftifying seemed better than redirecting, since it seemed that a case, with the appropriate sourcing, could be made that it was notable. Onel 5969  TT me 18:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense! (And apologies. Re-reading my post is was way more negative than was warranted.) I thought the move may have been an erroneous template, rather than a commentary on the low-quality sources, which is entirely accurate. Sadly, those were the most credible sources I was able to find; there is surprisingly little out there. To be honest, this article does not interest me enough to maintain, either. It's been something like a decade since I did any serious editing so I'm rusty on policy (which probably shows)—in the case where I'm not going to nurture the page through the process, is it better to leave it sitting there in case someone else happens across it, or to slap something like on it rather than waiting for it to disappear in six months? Or some other process to signal it needs more love than I can give it? Fogster (talk) 04:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, - I tend to get my back up when I perceive incivility. Thank you for your very nice response above. I would leave the article sitting in draft, as it might pique the interest of another editor, who works on it and gets it up to snuff to move back into draftspace. When I used to do work in G13 nominations (back when there was a backlog), if I found an article interested me, I would work on it.  Must have done that to half a dozen or so articles, so it wasn't often, but it does happen.  Additionally, a couple of months from now, you may become more interested in it and go back to work on it.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Waldo & Lyle, P.C.
Hi, you nominated my article on the law firm Waldo & Lyle, P.C. for speedy deletion. I was wondering what you wanted me to do to make it more appropriate for Wikipedia. If it sounds like I'm stumping for the firm, that's mainly because I didn't want to run into mods saying that the firm wasn't notable enough for a page. As for conflict of interest, I don't work for Waldo & Lyle. I'm a student at a law school with which the firm and some of its members involve themselves. They took my dad's case some years back when his property was being taken and it got me interested in property rights law. But I have no intention of seeking employment at the firm once I graduate. So the firm does have my interest, but I haven't the type of interest from which a conflict arises. You'll notice that most of my contributions have to do with property rights law in some way. There's often some tie to the firm because they are involved in property law matters with my school, such as the Brigham-Kanner Conference, which I get asked to update by people who set it up because I'm involved in the property law niche at the school. Anyhow, let me know. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WBNewman1 (talk • contribs) 22:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi - Since it's been deleted, I can't look at it to give you specific advice. What I can tell you is that WP is an encyclopedia, not an advertising brochure. So if you write an article, simply state facts in as neutral a tone as you can. Give information about the company, don't try to get people to use the company. Avoid WP:PEACOCK terms. Be fair and balanced, if there is negative news/press about the firm, include it.  Hope this helps.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Atimaharathi
Why article is directed to some other article. Can't it be sustained Festival Lovers (talk) 16:04, 4 December 2019 (UTC)Festival Lovers (talk) 16:04, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Saint Johns Mission, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Saint Johns Mission, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Saint Johns Mission, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Reywas92Talk 02:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

gazetteer etc
Hi, relating to your comment at Articles for deletion/Saint Johns Mission, Arizona, though I am an "inclusionist" I myself have recently come around to disliking articles about lakes, at least, which have been created with only GNIS or Canada's similar source to identify a location. Like in Articles for deletion/Halifax Lake, i argue that there is misunderstanding about Wikipedia being a gazetteer...we are not and don't want to be a gazetteer about lakes, there are too many of them and we serve readers poorly by creating them, imho. I have gained concern about really crummy lakes articles being created that were insulting to us all, based on merely the location information but padded out / "refbombed" with manufactured stuff about weather or other stuff in the region, etc., that actually had no content at all, but was being manufactured to look like it was content. About populated places covered in GNIS, i am less sure. Especially if a place article has been in existence for quite a while, and is kind of baked into Wikipedia. I would probably not like to see a bunch more created just from GNIS info though. There is no urgency to have articles about populated places if there is nothing of substance to say about them, methinks.

About possible wikihounding/harassment, that is maybe a separate concern. I followed your link to this edit accumulating a list of articles to target for AFD. Offhand, I can understand it seems "concerning" in terms of laying out an agenda but I don't see how it is wikihounding. I myself very much resented two past lists of articles in an editor's userspace that were specifically targeting me, covering only articles i had created, but there was also more going on then. Here, i don't see anything obviously about yourself, or otherwise personal. Or are the listed items all created by you, or constructed by reviewing your edits or something like that? Either way, if you do have concern about wikihoundign/harassment possibly going on, that is unfortunate, i don't like to hear of that actually or seemingly going on. Does this help at all? --Doncram (talk) 01:58, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi - Thanks for your concern.  Regarding the Gazetteer aspect, I understand your position.  While I personally don't consider myself one, there are those who would consider me a deletionist. That being said, I think every lake, every mountain, every river should have a WP article, as should every legitimate populated place. I also agree that many of those articles are crummy, as are many of the populated place articles I've created. As a gazetteer, even if it is a microstub, a researcher can at least look up the location of those geographic locations. Regarding the wikihounding, I am concerned by both of those editors. The talk page on which the list appears was begun after that editor and I had (what I thought was an amicable) disagreement on the notability of Rugby Union players.  A disagreement which that editor lost, and then felt aggrieved enough to start conversations on several notability talk pages. The second editor who added to the list, has shown a tendency to issue personal attacks on me, and prior to this latest spate of nominations has never shown an inclination to work on AZ geo articles. The list that was compiled is mostly stubs I created, so yes, I am thinking on this at the moment.  And yes, your thoughts are always welcome, even when we disagree.  Onel 5969  TT me 02:23, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Onel5969, I'm sorry you view my edits on the geography stubs as concerning. I respect the work you've done and I'm honestly not trying to wikihound you. I know we're both trying to improve the encyclopaedia, and we've simply had two recent disagreements. The rugby one I kept escalating because the level of participation has been very low (the MLR notability discussion on that talk page died out before December started. I don't view that as "won or lost," either.) I also agree Wikipedia is a gazetteer, but I simply disagree the GNIS stubs I've gone through were actually populated places at any point per WP:GEOLAND #1 and therefore have to pass WP:GNG. I also came across the Arizona stub discussion organically, as I'm interested in the area, have done work on Compadre Stadium and Phoenix Municipal Stadium in the past, and am a regular at all geography AfDs. I've also sourced a number of the stubs I've gone through: see Allenville, Arizona, Dreamland Villa, Arizona, and Sunflower, Arizona (two are/were clearly populated places, and another clearly passes WP:GNG.) I have just been going through one-by-one on the Maricopa County Populated Places in the template and trying to find sources. I also need to source Leisure World, Arizona as that showed up in my list and also clearly passes WP:GNG. I'm sorry we're in a disagreement that's likely to continue, but I hope I can assure you it's not personal in any way. SportingFlyer  T · C  04:04, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your comments,, however I don't think I actually buy them. Especially due to the timing and the that you appear to be working in concert with another editor. I respect the work you've been doing on the project and am frankly disappointed in this latest turn of event. I do appreciate your civility, however.  Onel 5969  TT me 10:11, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Just curious - was there ever a point in time on the rugby issue where you thought I was frustrated with you specifically? I also thought our disagreement there was amicable, I don't know where our disagreement on this issue hasn't been amicable, and I think the timing on this issue is just rather unfortunate. SportingFlyer  T · C  10:37, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No, all of our prior interactions, even when we disagree (which actually is not that frequent) have been cordial. Hence my disappointment in this seeming coordinated effort.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:40, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I understand and I'm glad to hear that. I'm not sure I'll be able to convince you it's not coordinated, though I assure you it's not - I've only reached out to that user once, it was yesterday, and it was simply to let them which articles I was planning on bringing to a deletion discussion. Best I can do at the moment is to show you I participated but didn't !vote at Articles for deletion/Alchesay Flat, an article you created, but rather searched for sources that would help save the article (in spite of my initial statement on deletion.) SportingFlyer  T · C  14:18, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Snooker
The event was called the Premier League ok. regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.233.38.209 (talk) 12:29, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It's an invalid link to a football match. Please stop your disruptive editing.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I made an error I will fix it now check it in 10 mins I left something out thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.233.38.209 (talk) 12:36, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup, see that you are now doing the piping to the link correctly.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:38, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Kian Lechner
Hi there. I have been attempting to document some of the local educational offices in the Bay Area. I believe this will incentivize folks to work harder for the public, and also promote transparency. You removed the page I created titled "Kian Lechner" and I was hoping to look into why, and how I can make it better. The other pages I have created have not been similarly removed. God bless, Tom --Tom47wvm (talk) 06:20, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi - WP is not supposed to have an agenda. It's strictly what is and is not notable. Please see WP:GNG for what constitutes notability. If you think this person passes notability, contact the admin who deleted the article, and ask them to put it in draft so that you can work on it to get it past the GNG hurdle. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 23:14, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia page for Dream Shizuka
Hello, I'm Kyugium. I created the Wikipedia article for Dream Shizuka. After your review of the page, I can't seem to find the original article anymore since it only redirects to the Japanese pop group Dance Earth Party. However Shizuka is not part of this group anymore and became a solo artist in 2018. For this reason the redirection to Dance Earth Party does not make sense. I would like to ask you to undo your changes and bring the original article for Dream Shizuka back since she has started a notable solo career as a musician and radio host after her departure from the group. As a source, here is the music video for her solo debut song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i6R6lzV1L4 (the title track of her first solo album '4 FEELS.'). If you need more references or sources such as creditable articles to determine the notability of her career, I will do my best to provide them. Kyugium (talk) 11:33, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi - well, since they don't appear to pass the notability guidelines in their solo career, keeping it as a redirect to their last band, which is notable, makes sense.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 23:15, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I see, do you know through which qualifications the artist's solo career will pass the notability guidelines? After reading Wikipedia's guidelines and rules on this issue, I assumed it was only necessary to provide a certain amount of creditable references and sources for the artist's activities and achievements. Kyugium (talk) 21:35, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Second opinion?
Hi there - I was looking at Marc-André Leclerc just now, which was recently accepted from AfC. I did a bit of work to tidy it up, but then noticed that its author's username matched the name of Sender Films - a (terribly promotional) article that they have been editing. I've blocked the account on UPE/spam grounds, but I kind of suspect there may be some COI going on with the Leclerc article - the company creates films about climbing and climbers, he may be the subject of a film they're working on. I would appreciate a second opinion on what to do about the article - I noticed you had recently declined it at AfC, so wondered if you'd care to take a look? (Also pinging and, who also worked on it while it was at AfC). Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  14:25, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi - I think your "spidey sense" is right on the money. Since Sender Films is "a leading producer of climbing/mountaineering and outdoor adventure films", there is a clear COI, and most likely even UPE. Add to that the promotional tone the article I would never have moved into mainspace. But that's an issue with the lower reviewing standards (imho) at AfC than NPP. Unfortunately WP:UPE doesn't give much guidance on how to handle issues like this. My personal position is to never reward paid editing by publishing to the mainspace, but I don't believe there are grounds to remove an article already there. At the very least it should be tagged for COI editing. While the article still has an NPOV issue, I don't think it rises to the level where a G11 CSD would be warranted. Bottom line, tag it with the COI and mark it reviewed.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:52, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thoughts Onel. I'm pretty much in agreement: I think he's probably notable, and while the article has a generally puffy tone, it's clearly not a G11, so I can't think of anything else to be done. I'm certain that it's UPE, but I think it's the least egregious kind - someone who creates an account under the name of their employer, and edits the article about their employer, is not someone who's trying to fly under the radar - it's someone who's never read our guidelines and policies and doesn't know what they're doing is forbidden. I've indeffed them, but I'd be willing to unblock if they said something along the lines of 'Oh shit, I didn't realise that was an issue; sorry, can you rename my account 'Gavin at Sender Films'? I promise not to do it again'. As for the article, I'd already tagged as COI, so I've just now marked as reviewed - I'll probably leave it there, although if Bradv or Dreamy Jazz have any ideas I'd be happy to hear them. (Also, someone really has to take a pruning saw to Sender Films - I'm feeling that that shouldn't be me at this point, but if anyone else can be bothered...). Thanks again, much appreciated. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  21:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi - took my shears out. No longer a promotional brochure. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 23:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
For your defence of geography articles at afd.

Coolabahapple (talk) 22:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC) <br style="clear: both;"/>
 * Thanks - although it looks like 2-3 other editors are beginning to wikihound me.  But I do appreciate your kind words.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 02:26, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Mohave Crossing, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mohave Crossing, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Mohave Crossing, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lightburst (talk) 02:00, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Roundy Crossing, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Roundy Crossing, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Roundy Crossing, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lightburst (talk) 02:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Baldwins Crossing, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Baldwins Crossing, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Baldwins Crossing, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lightburst (talk) 02:17, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Nagles Crossing, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Nagles Crossing, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Nagles Crossing, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lightburst (talk) 02:31, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Amberwood North, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Amberwood North, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Amberwood North, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lightburst (talk) 02:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Andalusia, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Andalusia, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Andalusia, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lightburst (talk) 02:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Blake Place, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Blake Place, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Blake Place, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lightburst (talk) 04:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Belaire Manor, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Belaire Manor, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Belaire Manor, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lightburst (talk) 04:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Parsons Grove, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Parsons Grove, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Parsons Grove, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lightburst (talk) 04:22, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Help me fixing this Page for verification
Dear:, Can you help me fixing this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhanush_Babu This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. ( Shubham Ghodke ) 06:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi - Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but looks like  has already taken care of it.  Keep up the good work. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 19:57, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Question
Hello Onel5969. You moved DJ WilSAF moved to a draft. He is notable and meets the Notability criteria WikiShr3dda (talk) 19:34, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Because I'm pretty sure it was created by a sock. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 19:58, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Mhm... I had noticed that too before making an udeletion request |here, however I did notice the previous author was blocked years ago and looking at the article's history, it needed an unaffiliated editor to work on it. The subject is however notable here in Sierra Leone. Best WikiShr3dda (talk) 12:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Kindly review this article
Dear admin re-review this page as i have made some changes to it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_skaters. ( Shubham Ghodke ) 11:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, looks like CAPTAIN MEDUSA has already taken care of this. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 19:59, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, Thanks for you too.. how can i become an admin on Wikipedia like you? Please waiting for your reply. ( Shubham Ghodke ) 11:53, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. Missed this, so sorry for the delay in responding, . First, I'm not an admin.  Second, regarding becoming an admin, the best resources to understand the process can be found at: Administrators, Guide to requests for adminship, and Requests for adminship. Hope this helps. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:21, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Redirection of "Mia Kim" page for "no notability outside group" ought to be undone
My previous comment to you contained many links which prove that Mia Kim has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of her, including in Korean and Hungarian television, radio, and news publications. Rather than undo your redirection, you simply deleted the comment? Wthtvofdm (talk) 17:47, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I always remove a wall of blather when someone puts it on my talk page. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 20:01, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * How should the proof that your redirection of the "Mia Kim" page ought to be undone be provided to you?

Wthtvofdm (talk) 03:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

It’s that time of year!

 * Thank you so very much - your wishes are very much appreciated. And thank you for all you do on WP.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:00, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Sierra Capri
Hi, I saw that you redirected the Sierra Capri page. The page was deleted per AfD over a year ago as she did not have any sustained media coverage. At this point, she meets the criteria of WP:GNG through coverage in multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources. I believe I cited at least seven different articles including outlets like Vanity Fair and Newsweek. Please let me know your thinking on this. Many thanks. Citrivescence (talk) 02:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Forza Horizon 4
I'm not agree.Im'unhappy,you're manytimes removes.

Cheers

 * Thank you so very much - your wishes are very much appreciated. And thank you for all you do on WP, and all the help you've shown me.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:02, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome O. Many thanks for your kind words as well :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:36, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Onward
Why did you remove my edit on Onward? 84.214.101.199 (talk) 02:01, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

President of the Marshall Islands.2409:4052:221A:1493:0:0:E39:18A1 (talk) 03:15, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy holidays
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:red; background-color:#fff; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

Interstellarity (talk) is wishing you Happy Holidays! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user Happy Holidays, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Happy holidays}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
 * Thank you so much - Your wishes are greatly appreciated, as are all your contributions to WP.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:04, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

 * Thank you so much - I appreciate your sentiments, and know they are reciprocated.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:05, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Review
Hello Onel5969,

I have some pages in need of review: Draft:2019 NCAA Division I Women's Volleyball Tournament, Baylor Lady Bears volleyball, and Ryan McGuyre. If you could review them at one point that would be great. Thanks!

Eibln (talk) 15:34, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas, . Keep up the good work. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:10, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter December 2019


This year's Reviewer of the Year is. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.
 * Reviewer of the Year

Special commendation again goes to who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to and  who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by.
 * Redirect autopatrol

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.
 * Source Guide Discussion

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag. Delivered by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 16:11, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This month's refresher course


 * Bravo!! Toddst1 (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#01902a; background-color:darkred; border-width:3px; text-align:center; padding:3px; height:262px; width:800px;" class="plainlinks"> Merry Christmas! Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten! ¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua! God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus! Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce! Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством! 圣诞节快乐！~ メリークリスマス！~ 메리 크리스마스! สุขสันต์วันคริสต์มาส! ~ Selamat Hari Natal! ~ Giáng sinh an lành! Hello, Onel5969! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:18, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Spread the WikiLove and leave other users this message by adding {{subst:Multi-language Season's Greetings}}
 * Thank you - love the international tone.  And as always, thanks for all you do on WP. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:11, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Review
Hi pls review my draft, Draft:Debabrata Nath and Draft:Kumar Sen 42.110.142.93 (talk) 08:57, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Merry!

 * Thank you for your warm wishes, . And thank you for all you do on WP. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:15, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you as well. You've contributed so much, don't overwork yourself! ★Trekker (talk) 14:19, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Greetings
I am so touched and honored by your greetings - such a lovely surprise. You help make the Wikipedia community very welcoming and special!


 * Have a peaceful holiday and a happy new year too! --Gisel (talk) 17:33, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for your wishes as well,  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:43, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Thanks for all you have done at NPP, it means a lot. Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 17:48, 21 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks - greatly appreciated. Thanks for all you do as well.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:43, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * - As always, your words are greatly appreciated. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:44, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Thank you so much, and as always, keep up the good work you do here. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 11:30, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Naseem Shah
Hello. You performed this revert shortly ago, when the IP had in fact restored correct information that was found in the sources already cited in the article. Your undo, on the other hand, resulted in the BLP containing false information. May I ask why you performed such an action? Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 13:59, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Because there was no edit summary, unlike when you reverted me. It looked like vandalism to a blp. I guess that's why edit summaries are encouraged. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Thanks Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 16:13, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:41, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, - I appreciate the sentiment. Have a great holiday season. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 11:31, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Onel5969/sandboxholiday
The purpose of my edit of User:Onel5969/sandboxholiday, which you reverted, was explained in my edit summary. Breaking that apart: My edit fixed lint errors while preserving the display exactly. It is a major effort at Wikipedia to eliminate lint errors and to encourage editors to avoid creating new lint errors, and I am one of many volunteers working on this. Even if you don't want to work on eliminating lint errors, I encourage you to do your best to avoid making new ones. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:04, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * fix lint errors: click the link.
 * properly close bold, : see missing end tag
 * → : see obsolete HTML tags
 * Gotcha . Didn't realize the greetings message contained an error, so did not understand your edit summary. When I didn't see the difference, wasn't sure why you made the change. But that's kind of the point isn't it, correct the error without affecting the display.  Thanks. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 11:29, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank You for Review the Articles
My Dear friend, User:Onel5969, Thank you for reviewing the articles created by me. DMySon (talk) 12:15, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, keep up the good work. Be careful of using flowery language and WP:PEACOCK terms. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:16, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Maria Viramontes
I think its important to have this article for posterity and that it meets the GNG.Ndołkah (talk) 12:41, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

While your at it,
You could also go for Corky Boozé, Mindell Penn, John Márquez, Harpreet Sandhu (politician), and Nat Bates.Ndołkah and why not Tony Thurmond, Irma Anderson, and Gayle McGlaughlin while your at it, why don't you help me expand the articles instead of deleting so many so fast, or overhauling the page for the council?(talk) 13:18, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Feel free to if you want. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) - you were adding to your original comment, so I didn't see the second half- I only work on articles which interest me, and none of these do. If they did, I would more than certainly work with you on them. These are the typical local coverage articles of non-notable politicians. Being a city of slightly over 100k, the mayor (in many editors' eyes) will get an auto pass for WP:NPOL, but none of the other council members will. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:29, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I also recently wrote Jeff Ritterman and Andres Soto, will you delete them too.Ndołkah (talk) 13:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you like me to? Both clearly do not meet notability criteria.  You need multiple in-depth references from independent sources to show notability. Neither of these do that. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:29, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Is Blow Buddies ok?Ndołkah (talk) 13:24, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup, being the largest gay club in a city with a large gay population would definitely make it notable. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:31, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#01902a; background-color:darkred; border-width:3px; text-align:center; padding:3px; height:262px; width:800px;" class="plainlinks"> Merry Christmas! Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten! ¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua! God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus! Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce! Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством! 圣诞节快乐！~ メリークリスマス！~ 메리 크리스마스! สุขสันต์วันคริสต์มาส! ~ Selamat Hari Natal! ~ Giáng sinh an lành! Hello, Onel5969! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! <b style="color:darkred">Linguist111</b><sup style="color:blue">my talk page 18:31, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Spread the WikiLove and leave other users this message by adding {{subst:Multi-language Season's Greetings}}
 * Thank you so much for the wishes . All the best to you and yours. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 19:33, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

A Joyous Yuletide to you!

 * Thank you very much for your kind words, - and I absolutely adore Pentatonix! Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:11, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy holidays

 * Appalachian Bewildered Cat.jpg (talk) 22:46, 24 December 2019 (UTC)]]


 * Thank you for your kind words, . And that cat looks just like one I used to have: Lady Gwili of Turin's Wood.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:14, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Good luck
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:#fff; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:8px; " class="plainlinks"> 豊かな十年へようこそ/WELCOME TO THE D20s Miraclepine wishes you a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and a prosperous decade of change and fortune. このミラPはOnel5969たちのメリークリスマスも新年も変革と幸運の豊かな十年をおめでとうございます！ フレフレ、みんなの未来！/GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE! ミラP 02:30, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks - and a very Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:18, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Glad to hear from you. I hope your health issues will be cleared up soon and you will have a great holiday season and New Year. Donner60 (talk) 06:34, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And thank you for your kind words as well . The surgery's on Monday, so all's good. Have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:19, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Christmas from Australia!
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#FF4646; background-color:#F6F0F7; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:0.5em 0.5em 0 0.5em; ;" class="plainlinks">Happy Holidays text.png Hello : Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:37, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And have a very Merry Christmas yourself, (or what's left of it down there!).  And thanks for all you do.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Christmas greeting
Hey Onel5969, Whilst I absolutely appreciate you liking my Xmas template it drives me mad seeing people copy it word for word with no changes at all so could I please ask that you stop using it - You're more than welcome to change the wording and pictures (and make it your own) but just don't copy/paste word for word, Hope you're having a lovely day today :), Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 16:18, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Lol. No worries  - I did use that on a few pages, but only after another editor took mine, and started pasting it on userpages, where I wanted to use mine.  My normal one is the one I posted on your talk page, which I used on the vast majority of pages.  I was in a rush and didn't change much, but will in the future. Imitation is the highest form of flattery they say. Have a very Merry Christmas!  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 18:28, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Much Love
Thank you for taking your time and painstakingly reviewing/patrolling those articles created by me. I have spent the last two hours looking for a Barnstar to give you but I decided a Barnstar isn’t enough to show my gratitude. Thank you so much dear colleague. Celestina007 (talk) 17:07, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, - that means a lot to me.  Please keep up your good work.  WP has a dearth of good editors handling African subjects, and we need folks like you. Very best wishes.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 21:26, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Noticeboard notification
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Onel5969 - Excessive deletions on page for SAIL High School. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 04:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks - that was quick.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 10:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

FairCom
Hi Onel - just a heads up re FairCom, I just removed your CSD banner, since the previously deleted article was quite different to the current one, with different sourcing. (The previous one was much spammier). The sourcing in the current one doesn't look super promising, so I have no objection if you want to send to AfD, but it's not a G4 I'm afraid. I just noticed the banner at the top of your talk page by the way - I hope whatever you're going through isn't too serious, you'll be in my thoughts. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  15:55, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up . Yeah, I can't see the deleted articles, so I have to go on what I know. It's one thing if the article was redirected.  And thanks for the well wishes.  The surgery's on Monday. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:58, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , if I'm honest, I think anyone with your experience, doing the amount of review work you do, ought to have access to deleted pages for this very reason. If you ever want to apply for a pair of x-ray specs, I'd vote support... Good luck on Monday, I hope it's a success. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  16:04, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, thanks for the wishes and support, .  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 16:48, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Desert Vista Estates III, Arizona for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Desert Vista Estates III, Arizona is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Desert Vista Estates III, Arizona until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. SportingFlyer  T · C  07:30, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

John Bazz
I see the John Bazz entry has been redirected on grounds of notability. Shouldn't that have been opened up for discussion before a unilateral decision? Thanks. Rory1262 (talk) 12:09, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year Onel5969!
<div style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em; font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;float:right;margin-bottom:20px;margin-right:10px">Happy New Year! Hello Onel5969: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, ★Trekker (talk) 20:02, 30 December 2019 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks (static)}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Happy New Year!
<div style="border: 3.5px solid #FFD700; background-color: #FFFAE0; padding: 0.1em 0.2em; height: auto; border-radius: 1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);" class="plainlinks">



 Onel5969 , Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:43, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


 * – Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.