User talk:Only/Archive 12

KWw's reversions and non discussion of issues
Hi, KWw, will not stop undoing things on the UNC-CH page. I use sources and proper things. I took it to the talk page, but he undid the talk page. I feel like we need a resolution. But I am not a fluent wikipedian yet. Please advise and help. 128.103.142.23 (talk) PS this is Holla213. I left you a message about what happened with the sock puppet accusations, and I'm sorry if anything happened that wasn't supposed to happen. All my edits are legit. 128.103.142.23 (talk)

Thanks
Although not as bad as the Myspacing young users themselves, the perennial opposition from one or two users (despite consensus from administrators that it's appropriate) as to our methods does get frustrating. So, thanks for your input at my talk. Daniel (talk) 13:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course. Whenever I see a thread entitled "WTH!? ZOMG", especially on your talk page, I know there has to be an issue with Myspace-based users.   Metros (talk) 14:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Perceived "incivility" against social network-dominant young editors noticeboard will be needed soon :) Daniel (talk) 14:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In response to Daniel and in explanation to Metros- I'm not opposing anything, as you can well see from my words I hope. All I'm saying is that people can be treated with politeness, this is a young boy who has asked for adoption, who does make a few mainspace contributions.  There are ways to encourage him to make more mainspace contributions I hope.  I'm not objecting as much to Daniel's words as to the editor who said "thank goodness" if Editor510 has gone, that's unnecessarily rude to say in response to someone who I assume is here in good faith. Sticky Parkin 20:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Email
I apologize. I didn't know what the correct course of action was. Don't block me or anything. Shapiros10 (talk) 15:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What is it with you young users and begging not to be blocked for every little offense where no sysop would ever consider a block? Seriously, just go do work and stop worrying about how every little thing you do will affect your future request(s) for adminship.  Metros (talk) 16:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to have an RFA. I just don't want to be blocked.  And it's not only young users who don't want to be blocked. Shapiros10 (talk) 16:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to be blocked, go edit and follow the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia, it's that easy. There's nothing in the policies that says an administrator can block for a user sending an email about deletions so there's no need to beg not to be blocked.  Like I said, just go edit.  Metros (talk) 16:54, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

PLHS Cats.
I see you updated the PLHS categories here. Should it be listed as a HS in Morris County, though? It's physically in Passaic County and is only a receiving district for Riverdale students. It's probably just a question of technicality, but I thought I'd ask you about it first, Metros (talk) 16:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I had sort of agonized over the issue. When it was just in a Morris County category it seemed ambiguous enough, but now that the category is called "High schools in Morris County, New Jersey" it does seem to be a bit more questionable. These cases where high schools and districts serve students outside of their home county need to be properly addressed one way or the other. Any thoughts on your side? Alansohn (talk) 17:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a good question that I don't really know an answer to. It'd probably be wise to take it to other Jersey editors because I think this is a distinctly Jersey issue (I don't really know of any sending/receiving relationships like Jersey has...).  Sorry I don't have any conclusive ideas, Metros (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Radio Wikipedia
Thanks for your comment here. Hopefully StewieGriffin! will realize that everyone is flawed, everyone makes mistakes, and blame shouldn't be placed on others in an attempt to keep the blame off of one, as seems to be the case. I've kept an eye half-way on the project since the AN/I, and it has almost been one large soap opera. This little incident seems to take the cake, though. Mastrchf (t/c) 21:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

RE:More formal warning
Winger84 clearly hates me. If he wants me to leave his talk page alone,he should answer my question as to why he hates me. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just leave it alone. If he hates you, he hates you.  You constantly posting the questions to his talk page is only adding fuel to the fire.  Metros (talk) 02:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes,if he hates me,he hates me,but if I don't know why,it makes me really upset. If he would just answer that,I'd stop why I'm doing but he's the one choosing to be difficult. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 02:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If he wanted to answer your questions, he would have. It's clear, however, that he'd prefer not to answer.  Metros (talk) 02:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This is really not the place for this, but since it has been brought up here, I'll contribute, in hopes that the issue may be put to rest..
 * I am sorry that you have concluded that I "hate" you. I have never made any statement to that effect, nor have my actions - as I see the situation - been of a nature that should lead to that conclusion.  I am here for the better good of the project, as many editors who have regular interaction with me can attest to, nothing more and nothing less.  Your question was, I feel, irrelevant and slightly prying.  As I said in an edit summary, Wikipedia is not Myspace.  --Winger84 (talk) 02:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

You lost me
I don't know what you mean for a third party source. My sources for Deolis Guerra were MiLB.com and the Miracle website. It made more sense to me to simply site the team website instead of individual news stories repeatedly, but if that is what they want on Wikipedia, then whatever. I'm tired of arguing.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 01:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:SOURCES. What is needed is third-party sources which are sources not related to the subject.  Yes, these sources that you have can be used, but there also need to be sources who aren't the league who he plays for or his club/organization (like a newspaper or magazine coverage).  And, yes, you need to cite pages that you used directly rather than just linking to one front page (it'd be like if I cited a book, I'd have to show which pages I got each piece of info. out of rather than just citing the book overall).  Hope that clears it up, Metros (talk) 01:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Canton
my final edit to "Talk:Canton" (general) asking what was to be done was not meant to be silly or speculation I was trying to ask the serious question i.e. "are these all going to get locked or what?" etc. and I was not trying to be provocational; I thought that was a legitimate question. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici (talk) 04:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If anything happens to those pages, they'll be protected, but right now there's no reason to do anything to those articles. Metros (talk) 04:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for reverting the edit to my user page. Since it contained RL information that I would prefer not to be public knowledge on Wikipedia, would it be too much trouble for you to eliminate that edit from the page's history altogether? Thanks! --Winger84 (talk) 14:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * As I'm here, I've deleted it and sent to oversight. Regarding the Podcast issue, although my personal view is to delete them (or at least one), I've left a separate opinion on my talk page. Too much bitching is occurring on both sides, so they both need to leave each other alone. That'll be a start anyway. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  15:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
... for the reversion. At least this vandal was less vicious than most. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  12:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Looking in
For whatever reason, likely from past "issues", I have several talkpages watchlisted for some of our more flavorful young users. If you need any assistance/opinions, I been watching the childish foolishness (is that redundant?) devolve on Shap/GoW/Stewie pages. Utter distraction. Just letting you know that I would support any actions you deemed necessary going forward. Keeper   76  18:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I would even be open to being blocked myself.  Shapiros10  contact me My work  18:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sam, go take a break. I've seen your talkpage, retiring and whatnot. Go take a break, stop asking people to block you, eventually someone will if you keep asking incessantly.  Keeper    76  18:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I done nothing but try to end a fight. Gears of War  2 18:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the support Keeper. By the way, can I just say I got a bit of pleasure out of being proven right?  Metros (talk) 18:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c) Damn, Metros, sorry to redirect this pettiness over here. My bad.  Go away Sam and GoW.  Metros' talkpage is not for you to comment on my comment, its for Metros to comment on my comment if he so chooses.  Sheesh.   Keeper    76  18:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do I not have the right to reply to a message concernng me on Metros talkpage? Metros did it on Sam's talkpage. Sheesh. Gears of War  2 18:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you really replying to my comment requesting that you not comment and let Metros comment to my comment without outside comment? It was a simple request.  If I wanted your comment, I would have posted my comment on your comment page, not Metros'.  Keeper    76  18:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Metros, that is a hilarious essay, I literally laughed out loud. The truth is so very much funnier than anything we can make up.  If you haven't found it yet, you would greatly enjoy WP:WIKISPEAK, in the same flavor.  I just added your essay to it.   Keeper    76  18:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll probably also love User:Voceditenore/A handy guide to fooling Wikipedians about your age if you haven't read it already, Metros (talk) 18:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh god, that's funny too. Adding it to my funnies page right below yers.   Keeper    76  18:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: That essay of yours is inacurate. Gears of War  2 21:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, I've been burned *rolls eyes*. Considering you've been editing for an hour since you posted this... Metros (talk) 22:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I must admit - he's been gone longer than I thought he would be. perhaps onto a new account already? – xeno  ( talk ) 22:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Asher Heimermann
I don't know if you remember this user, but he was on indef. He's come back as Sheboygan Teen and is going on as if he was a new user. He's made a few questionable edits and I'd like your opinion if we give him a second chance or we block him as a sock.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 22:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've blocked the sock, deleted the user page, and reverted a bunch of the edits (I see you reverted a bunch as well). Based on the edits, I'd say a second chance is not warranted, Metros (talk) 01:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he uploaded his podcast article and showed he didn't know how to shrink pictures down.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to jump on the thread late, but I noticed the edits too. I do see a vast improvement in his writing and I'm wondering if a short supervised probationary period might be appropriate in around 6 months. Unfortunately he filled his userpage with all of his information, including all of his web links, so he was hard to ignore. I looked at his deleted edits, and I see that he wrote an article about his own podcast, which shows that he doesn't understand Wikirules at all. Besides his self-promotion, he does seem to have good topics for new articles and good information to add articles. My unsolicited $0.02.  Royal broil  21:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: 3RR Warning
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Metros (talk) 01:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, I keep removing it due to the fact that the information isn't needed there. A list of guest stars, and recurring characters belong on the "List of Characters" article, not the main article, where just the main cast needs to be summarised.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.   Soul  01:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

re:
I'm sorry. I guess i didn't understand about that policy. Thank you --User:Islaammaged126 20:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC) ps: actually, Islaam manar couch.jpg is an altered screenshot of Bodyshock: born wit two heads. Manar und Islaam jpg was the rare one. sorry about that. regards, User:Islaammaged126 20:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Good news!
I'm not going to do bad edits anymore. Personally, I never thought they were immature, and I was quite angered about that on the infamous Geez... comment. But, I have changed my other ways, so goodbye those days, hello the future!-- Editor510  drop us a line, mate  14:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And yet?, , , and Esperanza II. These are not exactly good, mature edits.  Metros (talk) 18:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I see...
Thanks for keeping me in the loop!-- Editor510  drop us a line, mate  07:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

PS

Yeah they were immature, you were right, but then again, I did not know of WHY Esperanza had collapsed. Stop saying things that might bring me down! I am a MISUNDERSTOOD editor who is still a bit upset about what happened, and all of them were immature for a reason. 903M's...that's my way of making it easy for new adoptees in Sticky Parkin's 'Family', thank you very much. Mushroom's...I was in a panic. Esperanza's...I was overcome with pride! Wikipedia:Esperanza II...see previous!

PPS

Mushroom is my friend. I was grabbing his attention.


 * To be fair, or if it makes any difference, Editor510 didn't know of the history of Esperanza or the problems people saw in it until it was explained to him. Then he asked Mushroom to quickly delete the page. Sticky Parkin 14:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

User: Robdurbar 81
I feel that User:Nightmare 81 could possibly be a sockpuppet of User: Wonderfool. He baltantly listed it as the first username on his vandalism spree. He attacked May 1st of this year and he has continued his attacks on the Yu-Gi-Oh! wikia. Could you help? I need a name000 (talk) 05:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Help with what? As far as I can see, all three users are blocked here, so there's nothing to do.  Metros (talk) 12:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Holy mistakes!
Thank you for your note - my God. I guess there's a reason "I shouldn't be editing before the nth cup of coffee" (or variants thereof) is a popular catchphrase around here. Badger Drink (talk) 19:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Hudgens

 * Articles for deletion/Sneakernight
 * Articles for deletion/Say OK.

Even beyond the AFD's, they don't pass WP:MUSIC as requiring their own article, because they haven't been performed by multiple artists or received significant commentary. ... a merge is what is recommended there.Kww (talk) 12:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, so that's why I couldn't find the AfDs, because of the 's added on to these articles! Like I said, I didn't disagree, I just wanted to see the AfDs.  Thanks, Metros (talk) 12:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sneakernight has been especially fun with the different versions: Sneakernight, Sneakernight (Vanessa Hudgens song), Sneakernight(song), Sneakernight (Identified single), Sneakernight(Song), and my favorite, Sneakernight (Vanessa Hudegns song). I've put a request on RFPP for this latest set to be protected, too. If you get bored, it probably wouldn't hurt if someone changed the redirect inside these to be to Identified instead of just Identified. Probably doesn't matter too much though, because I doubt anyone actually goes looking for Sneakernight (Vanessa Hudegns song). Kww (talk) 13:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Holla213
I reported him at Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR. If you are taking care of the report, please don't forget the IP sockpuppetry.Kww (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't even realize there was a report until I went to place the block notice on Holla213's talk page and edit conflicted with you, so I'll go close that up. Metros (talk) 16:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So will I get hit with a 3RR block if I undo his edit?Kww (talk) 16:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * While I wouldn't block if you did, I think that you'd find a large # of sysops who would (and they would have a good case for it). Since it appears that there's a decent consensus against his changes, I expect that there are others out there who will clean it up, Metros (talk) 16:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The fun continues: Suspected sock puppets/Holla213  Kww (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Any idea why your RFCU is being ignored?Kww (talk) 00:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

hi, this is holla213. i stand by my edits 100%. the reason the ip came up was because i forgot to log into wiki. not because i was pupetting. the third person, ricardoz, is my partner. who did not edit from my account or from the same sight. the edits were by the rules. but i still stand by them as solid. i am a member of this community too. and when i get ignored by a small group of elite (who didn't get band for 3rr edits either) who wants their page to look a certain way. that's not fair. that's not wiki. i acted in good faith the entire time. i know i did the editing. i know i did the so-called puppetry. but i stand by my edits in good faith. i always will.

oops! I also started editing again before my 1 week block ended.

All of his edits he did in evasion of his block have been reverted.Kww (talk) 02:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

ANI report requesting block extension.Kww (talk) 02:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'm requesting that you resolve this dispute. I'm editing UNC-CH's page. I use sources and references. I'm a part of the community too. And, KWW is adding stuff back without resolving it or discussing. Please help. 128.103.142.23 (talk)

Featured list candidates/List of Seattle Mariners Opening Day starting pitchers
I have responded to your comments. Thank you -- Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 22:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on the FLC page. -- Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 23:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe I have resolved your issues on this FLC, could you please revisit it? Thank you -- Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 15:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Question
Didn't i give you a barnstar? I thought i did, but it's not on your userpage. Shapiros10 (talk) 22:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, here it is. Feel free to display it on your userpage ! :) Shapiros10 (talk) 22:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but no thanks. Metros (talk) 23:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Have a good evening.  Shapiros10  contact me My work  01:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:JJGD445
User:JJGD445, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:JJGD445 and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:JJGD445 during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. -- Suntag  ☼  14:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Socky
Thanx for blocking that guy, I was really confused by what was happening there, I wasn't sure if it was a joke since it seemed so odd. — Realist  2  14:25, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

laurie gibson
please take the time to check out who you are sending emails regarding vandalism and editing to. I never have edited any articles concerning any dancers for "In Living Color", as a matter of fact, I don't even know who the hell she is. You may send you apology via email. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Todd Bla (talk • contribs)
 * I have no clue what you're talking about. Metros (talk) 20:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Trinity Valley School Edit
It is unfortunate you deleted the history section. This section was thoroughly documented with references to photo copies of original newspaper articles saved on the web.

Yes, the section was long, but it basically pieced together the salient parts of the referenced newpaper articles. Did you actually click on the referenced web sites to the underlying documentation to note that they were authentic?

Did you actually read all the documentation and realize that the history section was an accurate synopsis of same?

The purpose of the history section was to correct long held beliefs about the founding of Trinity Valley School which were basically lies, one man being given credit for another's accomplishments. You don't think this is important or germaine?

Administrator or not, you are an outsider to this story, and as such have no grasp of the context. And though you "wear the badge of Wikipedia" you seem content to shoot first and ask no questions.

If the founding history of an institution is important, and if the correcting of long protected lies is important, then the history section should be restored in its totality. All of the history section showed how one man made his way from Europe entirely due to the largesse of another, and then slowly metabolized his benefactors accomplishments claiming them as his own.

Whether you like the tone of the section of not is irrelevent to the facts.

Good editing is not a matter of whacking away with a machete as you have done.

Now: you say there are "a ton of issues that need to be addressed".

This is a vague and meaningless comment.

List your "ton of issues" and lets go through them one by one, line by line.

"The tone of it was out of control, and it needs to be referenced properly"

How was the "tone out of control". Be specific. Give examples and how you want the tone corrected.

"... and it needs to be referenced properly."

Virtually every paragraph had one or more in line citations to original source documents. The editing section in Wikipedia lists inline citations without footnotes as an acceptable way to reference external links.

Now let's get cracking.

Do not Delete
Now, metros, let me ask you a question. Don't you communicate with other people using their talk pages? If so, then why do you delete all my messages? I do not delete any of yours. You should keep simple courtesy in mind here. Also, if you do block me, what would prevent me from creating another account? Even on a different computer; if this one is completely blocked? Remember this, now. Do you have something against vienna fingers? Seriousley, it's not the worst article there is. Just take a look at this one: Belmont und Constanze, oder Die Entführung aus dem Serail. Ask the fudgecicle (talk) 01:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)Ask the Fudgecicle
 * You keep leaving your messages in my archives, not my talk page. Any account you created to avoid a block would then be blocked as a sockpuppet.  Metros (talk) 01:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against Vienna fingers. But your article doesn't provide any notability for the cookie.  It's just one of many cookies that Keebler makes.  Metros (talk) 01:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

This is why I write "unimportant" articles and why you shouldn't redirect them.
Metros, you keep on redirecting the Vienna fingers page to the Keebler page. You do this because my article "isn't substantial enough" or "does nothing but prove the existence of the cookie". However, all the Keebler page says is that they make them. Nothing more. So, why is it that you are redirecting it to a page with the same problem? Doesn't the article I wrote have much more information? It says more than that it exists. It explains what vienna fingers are, what they look like, what their package looks like, and who makes them. That is tons more information!

Now for my other complaint. Wikipedia, as you may know, has a drastic decision to make. Either it can stay its course and try to write an article about everything known to man, or it can falter and be just like every other encyclopedia and only show common, generic, information on things that are deemed "more important". You, obviousley, support the second idea. You do not like small articles about things that are "unimportant". Vienna fingers are important. I have to pay a buck fifty for a pack at the grocery store. I love vienna fingers. They are quite tasty. Vienna fingers, like every other thing on the surface of the Earth, make a difference and should have an article. That is what Wikipedia is all about. So, please reconsider your decisions. Ask the fudgecicle (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)Ask the fudgecicle
 * You say "Vienna fingers, like every other thing on the surface of the Earth, make a difference and should have an article." With that belief, you believe that we should be able to write articles about anything and everything?  From articles on Vienna fingers, to articles on "that tree in my backyard which provides me shade" to "Marvin, the guy who sells hotdogs on 44th and Lexington because his hotdogs make people less hungry" to "this lighter because it starts fires that keep me warm in the winter."  We have standards and guidelines to prevent that kind of thing from happening.  And this article does not meet those standards and guidelines as it merely describes what the cookie is.  Metros (talk) 18:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

A reply
Vienna Fingers are not lighters. Vienna Fingers are not that greasy guy selling hot dogs. Vienna Fingers are not some seventh grader from Poughkeepsie that refuses to back down. Vienna Fingers are unique. There are a million other lighters, a million other hot dog vendors, but Vienna Fingers are things that make a million dollars. They are a proffessional snack food that can be found in almost any grocery store. They are generic items. Thay are not particular items, like that lighter, or Marvin the hod dog man. This is why Vienna Fingers cannot be lumped into this "useless" catergory. If this kind of information were useless, where would Ken Jennings be now? Writing software for a low end company? This is trivia. It is not trivial. There is a difference, and you have to understan that.Ask the fudgecicle (talk) 23:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)Ask the fudgecicle

How was the StopPoliticalCalls.com article a 'Blatent Copyright infringement?
Why did you delete this article on this organization? How on Earth is this a copyright violation. I beleive you are abusing your authority. This article has many more than 3 mainstream cites and is timely, relevant, and important information. Please show me where in this article there is anything wrong: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.42.85.16 (talk • contribs)
 * It was a direct copy and paste of the company's website. Metros (talk) 14:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

DionysosProteus
I have replied to your post on DionysosProteus talk page. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • October 26, 2008 @ 15:53

WJLA/Bolding
If you are going to do the "no-bolding" thing, then you need to do the same to these pages: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17......and those are just the ones on my watchlist.

If not, unbolding the list from only the WJLA page looks a little hypocritical. - NeutralHomer (talk) October 27, 2008 22:58
 * I respectfully request some form of response on this since I see you are editing and have to have noticed the orange message bar. - NeutralHomer (talk) October 28, 2008 @ 01:14
 * E-Mail sent to your inbox. - NeutralHomer (talk) October 28, 2008 @ 02:02
 * I'll add it to my to-do list. Metros (talk) 02:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Wassup! I thought you thought the Vienna Fingers discussion was too pointless?
Metros! I thought you quit the Vienna fingers discussion! I guess my beliefs were just to influential. Now, what really gets on my nerves is that I went to all this trouble to help edit Wikipedia, thinking that your horrible nitpicking ideas would not interfere. Evidently not. You see, and as you will see in the discussion, is that being included in a very famous play is very significant. Also, I did not cite the exact pages because copying and pasting everything would take too long. Also, you did not reply to my question; why do you call yourself Metros? It just seems so cliche. Ask the fudgecicle actually makes sens.Ask the fudgecicle (talk) 23:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)Ask the fudgecicle

Rodtheanimegod4ever
I noticed this guy hit your page pretty bad. What the hell was that all about? I need a name000 (talk) 05:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Response about HS threat
Just a heads up. I received an e-mail response from a Captain Daniel Wright of the Lebanon City Police Dept. He informed me that ELCO High School was under the jurisdiction of the Pennsylvania State Police. He said that he has forwarded my e-mail to them as well as spoken with one of their representatives. Thanks again for you help with this. — Cactus Writer |   needles  14:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh, never really considered it being under their jurisdiction. And thank you for what you've done with this case, Metros (talk) 14:32, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S., if, down the line, you should ever be interested in adminship, let me know and I'll be there to support/nominate you because I think you've got some solid work here (you just need to "put in a bit more time" so to speak). Metros (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

User: 92.233.156.246
Hello. I noticed you blocked this IP indef. I heard that IPs should never be blocked indef. At the most, let us just block him one year. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I didn't even notice it was an IP. I thought it was a registered user.  Thanks for the catch, Metros (talk) 03:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

your messages
Hi. You're an admin, yes? Context is imperative, yes? Judgment is important for an admin, yes? And judgment entails being apprised of context before passing, yes? So here's the deal:
 * 1) A state of trance updates (completes, in fact) an NBA game log even before the game is over. I revert for two reasons: the game is not over, and the game is a close one.
 * 2) He persists, I revert back because it's justified and as the game is minutes from completion, there's no point in pinging him. Moreover, I've had brushes with this user before and I know what it'd be like pinging.
 * 3) The game is still not over but he keeps insist on completing the log. He characterises my reversions as "vandalism" and even puts a vandalism warning on my page, complete with the 3RR warning bearing your name.
 * 4) This is eminently childish behaviour. Me calling him that is not uncivil. It's borne out by his edit history.
 * 5) You telling me not to call him childish, that's fine. But posting a warning thrice, is unwarranted. Who's combative? Who has poor judgment?
 * 6) Over and beyond that, it is not me who should arm you with the context. Not to mention that as an admin, your hounding of my talkpage shows that you don't understand that I'm not obliged to keep your message undeleted. Chensiyuan (talk) 04:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I warned you to be more civil. You responded by calling my message to you childish.  I warned you again to be civil because, obviously, it didn't get through the first time, and you considered it "unwarranted".  So I came back to explain to you why it was warranted.  If you're going to call my actions unwarranted and childish, I'm going to explain to you why they were warranted, it's that simple.  A State of Trance restored it another time (the time you yelled at me when it wasn't me adding it).
 * As for your dispute with A State of Trance, as far as I can see, you also were characterizing reversions of vandalism as far as I can see (like this one eleven (11) minutes before you called his vandalism warning a child edit. As for him signing with my name, it appears that what he did was copied my 3RR warning from here and just changed the article name and forgot to change the signature.  He presumably just went to WP:3RRN, saw mine was the most recent report and used mine as a sort of template.  I think we should assume good faith that he wasn't trying to pose as me and was just not sure how to do it.  Metros (talk) 04:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Judgment as I said, judgment. Nothing further to add. Chensiyuan (talk) 04:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

NeutralHomer
Added my two cents. Thanks. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 13:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. As I stated on the noticeboard, something clearly needs to be done when someone abuses the tool at least ten times in a week, especially if they've had it removed in the past, and they're on thin ice because of previous misdeeds.  But, since I've been involved in disputes with him before, I will let others act upon this, Metros (talk) 13:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Request for block review
Hey, Metros. I don't want to make a high-visibility deal out of it, such as at ANI, but can you review my block here? It stemmed from an RFPP request for Alec Baldwin, and as I reviewed the article, I decided to block this user instead as the main cause of disruption, a SPA, and civility issues. He was blocked previously for violating 3RR on this article and immediately began editing it again upon block expiration. I don't really have a reason why I'm concerned about the block, but if you could, humor me and tell me what you would have done. Thanks! Tan  &#124;   39  15:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good block. I do suggest, however, that you provide a good explanation of everything to the user on his talk page in addition to the block template.  Metros (talk) 16:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Hurricane Hernan (2008) protection
Sorry about the unreasonable number of reverts. I've told the editor who made the edits not to do but he ignored my warnings, so I've had to revert them each time. Also, just as a note, I'm about to hit three reverts with Tropical Depression Sixteen (2008) due to a person who is persistent in having the article falsely labeled as Tropical Storm Paloma. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, I'll see what I can find. I doubt there is any source that will state how close it came to land other than picking it out of an advisory or the TCR. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * At the very least, just another word needs to be found, haha. Sorry, it's just one of those nuances of words... Metros (talk) 00:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's fine, just trying to be as specific as possible :) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Bobby Z (monster truck driver)
When you nominated Bobby Z (monster truck driver) for deletion, you mentioned two hits in a Google News archive search. I think the Birmingham Evening Mail one is good enough, and I have added it as a reference to the article. You may want to revisit Articles for deletion/Bobby Z (monster truck driver). -- Eastmain (talk) 01:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I do not believe that one preview of an article puts this over the threshold needed for WP:BIO, Metros (talk) 01:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The full article obviously shows notability per the first sentences: MONSTER Truck driver Bobby Z has an impressive pedigree when it comes to entertaining the crowds in his vehicle. Monster Mutt, with its floppy tongue and mechanised tongue and tail, has delighted audiences around the world since Bobby began driving it a couple of years ago. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 01:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that those few sentences prove notability in anyway. Metros (talk) 01:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * But it obviously shows that the full article shows notability. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 01:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. We don't know what the rest of the article contains.  It could be that they talk about Bobby for 2 more sentences and then talk about the entire Monster Jam show or whatever, Metros (talk) 01:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't know if it doesn't. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 01:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And you don't know that it does, and based on the fact that we're based on verifiability on Wikipedia, we can't go based on speculation of what might be in there, Metros (talk) 01:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And based on the fact that I feel like ignoring that right now, my vote is still keep. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 01:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, verifiability is one of the guiding policies of Wikipedia, so I highly suggest you find other reasons to keep the article other than "there might be something in that article." Metros (talk) 01:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's AFD and I can come up with any reason I want to, even if people will agree with it or not. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 01:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Journalists are trained to write newspaper articles in a style known as "inverted pyramid", with the most important information first, the second-most important information second, and so on. The preview of the article shows the beginning, so we know that we are seeing the most important part of the article. While this style is more for breaking news than for features, a story that begins by talking about a driver is not likely to wander off into talking about hog belly futures, for example. -- Eastmain (talk) 03:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I never suggested it would go off talking about hog belly futures. But I did suggest that it would go off to talk about results of races or the success of the attendance figures or anything like that.  Metros (talk) 03:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Personal Attack
You notified me about it after I removed it. Schuy m 1 ( talk ) 02:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not see that you had removed it; I only saw the initial edit. Metros (talk) 02:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

3RR report
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#The359_reported_by_Sennen_goroshi_.28Result:_.29

as the admin who was commenting on the above report, I think I should tell you that I have changed the fourth diff, whether you are still online/want to take another look/the fourth diff makes any difference - I don't know.

thanks

Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

New Name, i see

 * I like it. Cheers,  Sam  Blab 21:29, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Warning
There is no need for that. As you can see I am angry at being treated so harshly and nothing being done about it; I am entitled to use strong language. I am sorry if that offends you but I am fed up with being treated badly and then blamed when I try to help others. JRG (talk) 01:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Regardless of how you feel you're being treated, these attacks cannot occur. Either way (talk) 01:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no "attack" - I am using strong language. I am the one who is being attacked. JRG (talk) 01:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Calling someone a disruptive idiot is a personal attack. Either way (talk) 01:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way I may have edit-conflicted your contribution to the Admin noticeboard. Sorry. JRG (talk) 01:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you did. Please pay attention in the future that you don't knock other people's edits out when edit-conflicting.  Either way (talk) 01:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Question about 3RR enforcement
Hi, Either way. I've posted a question on the 3RR noticeboard you may be able to help. I'm unsure if I can undo the effects of the edit war started by the user you blocked, or would that be considered edit-warring from my part was well? Thanks! --Damiens .rf 15:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Woodland Park
Hey Alansohn, if you get a chance, could you swing by Woodland Park, New Jersey and give a hand with changing it over from West Paterson to Woodland Park? I'm curious as to when you think we should retain the West Paterson name (for historical references) and when it should be fully changed over to the new name. Thanks, either way (talk) 20:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I knew it was on the ballot, but I'm trying to get word on effective dtae. Some of these are immediate and some take effect on a specified date. Alansohn (talk) 21:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * See Talk:Woodland Park, New Jersey for an update. Alansohn (talk) 20:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * By the way, when the name change is definitely official, not everything should be changed: for example, bits about the 2000 census should continue to refer to West Paterson, as there wasn't a Woodland Park in which the census could count things or residents. Nyttend (talk) 23:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Please reconsider block of User:WorkerBee74
With all due respect, I am asking you to reconsider and reduce your block of WorkerBee74. He was blocked for this edit, which is characterized as a personal attack. At the time, the discussion was a bit heated and at least two other editors had openly attacked him on the article's Talk page. I was trying to work with him and convince him to tone it down, and for a while it worked and he was making constructive efforts, until he was provoked by the others. Also, he apologized to Bali ultimate. Like so many other ANI reports I've seen, the accuser reports all of the bad, but somehow fails to mention any of the mitigating information. At this point, the block has lasted three days. I feel this is enough considering the very mild nature of what he actually said. Marx0728 (talk) 23:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocking
That last blanking was an error on my part (Archangel1 (talk) 11:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)).

User:Baseball Card Guy
I blocked him indef, left a comment on WP:AN. You may want to comment. Thanks Secret account 00:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

ping
Wrt : I said in my unblock request, I never intended to just stop editing. I see no good reason for that, and as long as my block evasion looks like this or this imho nobody should give a damn. I don't really mind the block reset though. Admittedly, I am still a bit angry at the way things are at places like Talk:Barack Obama, and therefore actually glad to be on a forced interaction time-out -- which I should be following through with. I think I'm calming down, and I won't interact with anyone from now on until my block expires. But I will still be doing the occasional minor edit, formating and cleaning something up or correcting a typo. I'm not blocked as an avid reader, and I believe the invitation to be bold and to ignore all rules still applies to myself, at least as long as it concerns very minor uncontroversial edits. Just in case you hold the letter of the rule so high that you consider such well-intentioned, minor mainspace edits also a block evasion worth a block extension, you may as well go right ahead and indef me. 78.34.131.246 (talk) 15:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Me at ANI
Responses have been made. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • November 23, 2008 @ 14:29

Image:CHHS Eagle.PNG
What do you mean by "has no explanation as to why it is permitted under the policy"? I explicitly stated thet Coach Brad Hayes created the logo, holds the copyright, and had me upload it for him! What else is there?

Angie Goff/Fair-Use
I am working this out right now....waiting on an email to be sent to OTRS for one of the images actually....and working this out with another admin. Allowing me to function as an editor who doesn't have an admin breathing down his neck would be apperciated. To me, it seems you are keeping too close an eye on my edits. Let me be, please. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • November 25, 2008 @ 06:21
 * Until they are resolved, they should not be used in articles like that. These are clearly fair use images which are replacable.  Because she is a living and public figure, a free use image is very clearly attainable.  You cannot get permission from Ms. Goff to use them; you need to get it from the station.  They hold the copy right on their promotional images, not her.  either way (talk) 11:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See, this is what I am saying....I am working on it. Had you asked some details instead of just coming in all half-cocked, I would have told you that the group shot was taken by Mrs. Goff's husband (essentially by Mrs. Goff) and she would own the copyright on that photograph.  She is emailing OTRS to get permission on the photo.  See, I have things under control, have a little faith in me, and relax.  Sheesh. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • November 25, 2008 @ 14:05
 * Neutralhomer, you are hardly our resident expect in Wikipedia non-free content policies. Why are you so quick to argue and revert others who are clearly more qualified to make determinations about acceptable non-free use than you are?  Please stop edit warring over images when you have been wrong so many times in the past; instead, please take some time to learn about the policies guidelines.   Hi DrNick ! 16:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nick, I never said I was, but when I am working with another user (who does understand the policies better than I do) to get one of the images up to "code", and someone comes along and messes that up, it tends to annoy you. I would, though, appericate if someone were to explain fair-use without throwing in a little hit about my lack of knowledge of the subject.  It's easier to explain things than to insult me about my lack of knowledge on the subject. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • November 25, 2008 @ 17:07
 * Her husband taking the photo does not mean that they have the copyright of it. Her husband would be doing what is known as "work for hire."  Since he's taking the image for the TV station, the TV station owns the copyright, not him.  If he was doing this on his own, just for the family picture album or whatever, then yes that would be his copyright.  However, the fact that he was hired to take a promotional image for them means that the TV station owns the copyright.  either way (talk) 22:54, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I am talking about the group image, not the image from the commerical (with WUSA logo). The group image (entitled "Happy Dance") was taken as a picture while he was visiting the station, as you put it for a "family picture album or whatever".  Also, as you put it, he would own the copyright.  The image from the commerical, is, yes, owned by WUSA, which is why I am not fighting that one.  I know that is a lost cause.  See, got things under control.  Trust me once in awhile. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • November 26, 2008 @ 12:57

Re:Rollback
I apologize for violating rollback policy. However, I was not sure how to revert all the edits he made by using undo, as he made more than 1. Thanks, ~electricRush ( T C ) 04:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You do it manually then instead of using the tool, either way (talk) 04:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you revert multiple edits though? ~electricRush ( T C ) 01:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Revert for hints. either way (talk) 03:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Hayley Williams
If you've a problem with the artist having her own page, do not delete the article, follow Wikipedia's guidelines and nominate the article for deletion. Thanks.--NotoriousTF (talk) 12:17, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is you that needs to follow Wikipedia guidelines. The article has been deleted several times, and consensus has been established several times over to leave it as a redirect to the band page.  If you want to create the page, you need to seek consensus to allow for creation of the article.  What you're doing right now is going against the current consensus which is in violation of guidelines.  either way (talk) 12:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I'm not looking to get into an argument over it so I'll keep out. I'm just going by experience on what I've seen out there. In fairness, there are a lot of pages out there that should be merged or redirected in a similar fashion to the artist/band page in this dispute. Would you mind pointing me to the piece in WP:MUSIC that clears all of this up? Thanks. --NotoriousTF (talk) 12:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks.
Thanks, man. Thanks. Thanks for deleting that fun page. You could have warned User:Darkside2000 first. This is what angers me about WP. Things are always crushed under the weight of their own policies. So thanks. Thanks for nothing.-- Editor510  drop us a line, mate  19:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you both have mainspace counts of 5.24% (him) and 22.1% (you).  Sam  Blab 19:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy deletions do not require warnings. It was decided in the MFD that that page does not belong.  Considering he's had four article edits since April 2008, maybe we should worry more about getting him focused on editing the encyclopedia rather than worrying allowing him to have "fun".  either way (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Jack Black (disambiguation)
I noticed that you stated that Jack Black (teacher) does not meet the criteria of notability at WP:BIO. However, Jack Black has been nominated for the Golden Apple Award in Washington and also designed the language arts and social studies curriculum for the PRISM program, a highly advanced gifted program. (Only two of these programs exist in the world.) Thanks, ~electricRush ( T C ) 19:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * He does not appear to be notable per our WP:BIO guidelines. An article on him will easily be deleted since there is no coverage of him that I can see that shows his notability.  either way (talk) 03:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

About WikiNation
well it's not meant to be a social networking just part of Wikipedia department of fun. Users are meant to write a wikistory on the page and they are not meant to talk to each other. Remember that it is called Tales of WikiNation. There are other story pages like this for exmaple Three Word Story and others on the dept of fun. WikiNation is meant to be like this. If it still should be deleted then the other storys should be deleted as well because they were made on the same terms as mine. Also by the way I find my article edit total worrying as well. I really can't think. I may do a total revamp and update of the nicola roberts page and create the sims hot date expansion page. Thanks for your time.Darkside2000 (talk) 11:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Me and TWINKLE
I would have expected some form of AGF from at least you on this subject, but thanks for piling on the "Assume Bad Faith" that I got from that entire thread. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer •  Talk  • December 3, 2008 @ 00:25
 * AGF? You've lost it three times and had questionable reverts just two weeks ago.  I don't see why this time will be different than the previous times you had it, especially a month later with evidence of questionable reverts since then.  There is only so far that AGF can go, either way (talk) 00:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ...and I admitted I lost it due to bad decisions and asked for a second chance. The first two were before my block, so I am not counting those (you want to, you are welcome).  But we all have to assume good faith no matter what.  Two weeks ago, could you link to these edits, as I am sure I didn't have TWINKLE then. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • December 3, 2008 @ 00:55
 * You didn't have TWINKLE then. But, as I said on the other thread, if you had TWINKLE then, it would have only aided your inappropriate reverts, either way (talk) 01:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * But what edits do you think were "questionable reverts"? - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer •  Talk  • December 3, 2008 @ 01:25
 * Your massive reverts of Betacommand as I stated on the noticeboard. either way (talk) 01:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That wasn't two weeks ago as you stated above. That was exactly one month ago.  So, unless there are some other "questionable reverts".....um? - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • December 3, 2008 @ 01:39
 * November 23 is nine days ago. either way (talk) 01:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My monobook was blocked on November 2 (today being December 2). Links to the edits you are talking about would be really helpful. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • December 3, 2008 @ 01:44
 * All of these reverts on November 23. either way (talk) 02:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's "questionable" for me to revert edits when he has clearly broken rule #2 of his probation? Even an admin said he wouldn't stop me from reverting.  You are seriously considering that questionable?  Wow.  Now I know where you stand on the Beta issue and I think it is clouding your judgement here. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • December 3, 2008 @ 05:07
 * And other admins told you it was inappropriate for you to be reverting him when you were involved in a large content dispute with him. either way (talk) 11:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, please show me where it says "if Betacommand edits more than 25 pages, they must be reverted." That doesn't appear to be part of the sanctions.  It seems he can be blocked for it, but no where does it say they must be reverted, either way (talk) 11:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't say it should be reverted but like I said an admin said he would stop me if I were to revert so I did. But when he (or anyone) does anything against the rules, whether they be the rules we all follow or rules set up for just that user, their changes should be reverted.  What confuses me is you actually defending Beta's complete disregard for his probation rules and you think it is perfectly OK for him to edit in the manner he did.  That is why he doesn't follow his probation rules, no one (including you) enforces them. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • December 3, 2008 @ 17:59
 * Please don't interpret WP:AGF as "You should disregard all evidence and assume good faith." AGF can be suspended in the face of contrary behavior. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 01:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Never said that it you should "disregard all evidence and assume good faith", but it would be nice if someone would try and not slam the door closed on me when I am willing to have my edits watched and my shoulder looked over. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;"> NeutralHomer •  Talk  • December 3, 2008 @ 01:25