User talk:Onorem/Archive 4

Message from Geoffrey Giuliano
Excuse me, but I am Geoffrey Giuliano, and I know my own birth name. Your source is wrong. Further, I listed my good reviews and no one includes them. [They] only [include] the bad ones. Does that seem Wiki? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.184.201 (talk • contribs)
 * Please read WP:COI and WP:VERIFY. --Onorem 16:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[The] Giuliano: Lennon, imagined article is sourced twice in the references. Can you delete one of them at least? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.188.42 (talk • contribs) -comment moved here from User:Onorem. Edit made for section readability.

Onorem
You are the worst Wikipedia user ever. I hope you don't mess with my articles again or I'll get my uncle, Donald Trump, involved! --Tinderbxboy 20:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please do. In the meantime, please read WP:LEGAL and WP:OWN. Also, please refrain from creating unencyclopedic articles about your opinions. --Onorem 20:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello chump
You don't know anything about Wikipedia, do you? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tinderbxboy (talk • contribs) 20:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
 * I'd like to think I know enough, but if there is an area you think I need to work on, please advise. I'm always looking to improve. --Onorem 20:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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Please remove your tag...
The article was created only a few seconds ago per request and is in the process of being developed. Your deletion tag is not helping me edit the article one bit. Nebraska bob 12:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. --Onorem 13:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thanks for catching the vandalism on my user page so quickly! Lcarscad 17:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Whoops - Learning
I did remove your deletion tag from the 121 Community Church page before reading that I wasn't supposed to. For that, I apologize. I did, however, expand the page to make it more than a stub, with a few references thrown in. I'm still learning to navigate around Wikipedia as a contributor. . . so I was unaware of the {.{.hangon.}.} tag option. I was in the process of adding content and "saved my work" before I had really put anything useful in there. Thanks for your help, --Fickman 21:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC) (edit to remove the hangon tag and explode it so that it was readable and not actually included on yoru talk page) --Fickman 21:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Please remove tags
Please remove your tag, my article is not advertising, but a review of the BSA Supersport. --Mcmadkat 11:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks for helping me edit my page, you got the picture working! :) --Mcmadkat 11:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not my tag to remove. I was simply replacing the tag which you inappropriately removed twice. Please review the neutral point of view policy and tell me if you think that what you wrote is acceptable. --Onorem 11:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

crazybilby
This... sucks... How many different references and citations and all that junk like "being notable" and "asserting why its worthwhile" and all those things before ONE of my articles (The serious ones. I've stopped the non-serious ones... they were just pathetic) gets allowed to stay on this site? I think my article deserves to just stay there and be edited every couple of months until it becomes large enough to have a table of contents and maybe even be viewed by people... Just let it live people. It's not a hoax or anything like that. The guidelines to what's notable and what's not isn't clear enough so if that article isn't notable I don't know what is...

12:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)~ Exodustheory
 * How many references? You could start with 1.  There wasn't a single reliable source provided. A person is notable if he or she has been the subject of secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. Has any source published anything about crazybilby? If not, he's probably not notable yet.  Pages don't get to just sit around for months without any sources. (Well, they're not supposed to anyway.) It sounds like he's a good person, but there are millions of people that donate to charity and encourage others to do so.  That alone doesn't make each of them notable. --Onorem 13:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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Support a ban for Mauco
OK, do you support us to ask a pernam ban for Mauco? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.226.169.133 (talk)
 * I couldn't care less if I tried. I'm not sure you understand at all my interest in this whole thing. --Onorem 13:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I see, but still I will ask you at the proper time to support us for a pernam ban of Mauco. Many thanks! I'm gone now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.226.169.133 (talk • contribs)

siemens
I suggest it might have been better to place an hangon tag or to use a prod for the articles on this family being contributed by this new editor. (Goncalo-Manuel). I don't really think it's fair to a newbie who might--after all--be able to fill in much needed material if encouraged. DGG 21:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Remove deletion notice
In fairness I believe that the Motron Software Deletion notice should have been removed by now, as it has about 10 references, and they are all reliable.

Thank you, -Chronic
 * Please review WP:RS and let me know again if you believe that there are 10 reliable sources in the article. --Onorem 01:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...
... for cleaning up my user page. --Complex (de) 19:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem...and thank you for the same. --Onorem 19:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

A note from Trot-along
Dear Onorem,

I am new to wikipedia; I had another login which I kept for about two days but decided to delete as all of my posts were being deleted by other users (on a talk page). I was merely stating an opinion for discussion, nothing I said was personal or derogatory. Is this right? On what grounds would posts be deleted? and How can I stop this from happening????

I await a reply, with thanks Trot-along

Mass (disamb)
Hey thanks for fixing my edit to Mass(disambig) Had I known a link to Massachusetts was ther I wouldn't have added it again. Black Harry 02:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. --Onorem 02:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

when warning about removal of speedy tags,
there is a special warning series (can be found, like others, at WP:UWT). Specifically it's the uw-speedy series, which tries to explain to the user why they can't remove them. Just a tip. Later, — coe l acan — 03:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I know about the tags and used them for the first of the socks that were removing tags.  After that, the rest of them got blatant vandal warnings.  I'm pretty sure I'd handle it the exact same way next time. --Onorem 03:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, okay. I only looked at the user page of the IP, so I didn't realize that. — coe l acan — 03:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Protected the title from recreation, blocked the two accounts that had been involved in making it. Thanks for the note. — coe l acan — 04:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Brian Wilson and right to disappear, slink away, or something like that
Actually, I had been thinking about this, and was wondering if I could just archive at least the section I added with the listing of all the IPs. I feel kinda bad having it hang over them 'forever'. If we put it in the archive, hmm, in a created archive, perhaps it would make someone feel better? (perhaps just me?) I haven't noticed any vandalism lately from this quarter. Have you? I'd watchlist the archive, which I've found has to be done previously and today. Thoughts? Shenme 00:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well, I'm hoping they have been blanking due to a sudden insight and intense embarrassment about their prior behavior. I think I'll try it.  Maybe I can earn an AGF badge or something (or maybe end up with one of those multi-point things applied rudely if it fails (sigh)) Shenme 00:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Greetings
I would suggest you to be more attentive to new users. At least, when greeting a vandal or joker, don't write "thank you for your contributions", as you did in User talk:Gandhix. To greet them is OK, of course, but to thank,... hmmm. `'mikka 17:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You wrote: "I'd appreciate if you didn't alter messages left by me" - I appreciate your politeness, and will try to respect your wish, but I hope you already know that once you typed something into a wikipedia page, you don't own it. `'mikka 19:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I understand what you meant. Sorry for being slow. `'mikka 19:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Rush Limbaugh

 * Huh. I didn't know IPs could be used as usernames for talk pages.  Good find.
 * Anyway, yes. Regardless of whether it's relevant, it was removed 9 days ago for the following stated reason:
 * 23:48, 15 April 2007 HagermanBot (Talk | contribs) m (72.76.248.151 didn't sign: "Alledged small penis.")
 * From http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARush_Limbaugh&diff=123115149&oldid=123109022
 * I don't like Limbaugh, that's clear, and I'm also trolling for a fight. But that doesn't effect the relevance of the addition.  It's a biography, so who are you to say what is and isn't relevant, so long as it's factual and within the scope of relevance to that particular person?
 * 216.175.188.98 20:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It's unsourced, and absolutely not important. Stop trolling. --OnoremDil 20:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, the quality of the image looks fine, and I don't think the absence of other conferring sources is reason to delete something from a talk page. If it really were something worth following up upon, but little known, your deleting it from the talk page would preempt other potentially interested editors from following up on its lead.
 * Because it is not a lead of encyclopedic enough quality unto itself, I respectfully did not include it in the main article, merely brought it up as a conversation piece in the talk page. If you're not interested in the conversation, that is your business, but unfair of you to assume that other people who edit Wikipedia would not be interested.
 * 216.175.188.98 20:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Joost Verhaak Moving
Thanks for moving my db warning from User:Joostverhaak's user page to the talk section. I sometimes misclick the link and was actually about to fix it. I get a little sloppy sometimes. Thanks again! --L3TUC3 12:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Anytime. I've done the same thing myself quite a few times. --OnoremDil 12:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

A polite note from 00-cwarren
Fucking Tosser! Stop deleting pages you prick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 00-cwarren (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not actually deleting them. I'm just tagging them for deletion. I'd be happy to stop doing that if you'd stop recreating pages for things that aren't notable. --OnoremDil 12:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

geek squad
good catch. i revised it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.59.243.164 (talk) 22:31, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Michael Layton
Michael Layton is a famous Germanic hero. You are an absolute nancy boy. --Michael Layton 12:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

You attakced me you coon, by calling me a vandal and than vandalising my article about the famous Germanic warrior, anglicised to Michael Layton. He was famously used as propaghanda by the Nazis. --Michael Layton 12:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Do a fucken search for him, you skanky orificial residue. He is far mor famous than some baron. --Michael Layton 12:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I gave a source you piece of shit. The famous monk BEDE, you dumbarse, stop vandalising the article. --Michael Layton 12:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
A vandal went through all the trouble of putting up a RFA all for pure vandalism? Geez, thats something unique. MrMacMan Talk  09:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * er... just now i deleted vandalism from your page here. So I guess the same vandal is still attacking you. MrMacMan Talk  09:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I can't say that I've ever seen a vandal nominate a recent change patroller for admin status before... I think that's 3 IP's and one logged in user that editor has used to direct his attention towards me this morning. Oh well. Thanks for the reverts. --OnoremDil 10:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha, if there is anyone to thank thank User:Coelacan (s)/he has been doing all the heavy lifting with blocking (and sweet page protection too). MrMacMan Talk  10:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * True. I just finished thanking Coelacan as well, although I actually prefer to keep my page unprotected. If they're vandalizing here, they aren't vandalizing in the mainspace...and they're much easier to find. --OnoremDil 10:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing the vandalism on my user page ... apparently somebody in Australia has too much time on his/her hands. Blueboy96 18:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and you deserve this:

Anytime...and thanks for the star. --OnoremDil 18:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Cheers from me too for reverting that spam on my talk page. Much appreciated. Will (aka Wimt ) 17:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

DCLA Diamond Certification laboratory of Australia
Hi Onorem

I wonder if you could help,I have been trying to create a page for our Laboratory but it keeps getting deleted because it looks like it is infringing on DCLA copy write.

Can you help me or can you tell me who to contact so it doesn't keep happening

Michael Cohen DCLA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael Cohen (talk • contribs) 04:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Tagging of Unicorn gallery
I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Unicorn gallery. I do not think that Unicorn gallery fits any of the speedy deletion criteria because it clearly has context - staing that it is an art gallery in a specific city is enough context for an editor to find more info. it also has sources cited. This is clearly not a speedy at this point, try AfD if you think it should be deleted.. I request that you consider not re-tagging Unicorn gallery for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES (talk) 17:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I must have mis-read the history of the article. As to the last line, I'm glad you would not replace a tag in such a way, and I'm sorry if i offended you in making an unneeded request. I ahve encounterd quite a few cases where edits did repalce such a tag, even doing so multpile times. How would you suggest that I word a message (whether by tempalte or manually, and the template is only a fast way for leaving the same msg I have often left manually) to discourage those who would be inclined to replace such a tag without offending thsoe who know better? DES (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Revert of this article
I don't know why you reverted my edit to this article. Celebheights is a reliable source. I.-P@zzo 15:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree completely, but won't revert again. --OnoremDil 15:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Onorem! Thanks for your comment on my talk page. Well, Durand has announced that he is 6' 6" in height on celebheights.com. On his official website, he is listed as 6' 7" but I guess that 6' 7" is completely wrong because Kevin didn't look a lot taller than 6' 4" (6' 5" peak) tall Dwayne Johnson in Walking Tall (2004 film). Il P@zzo 15:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So he said he is 6'6", but disagrees on his own website...and you think he appears to be only an inch taller than The Rock whose height I'm guessing you are also basing on estimates. Sorry... --OnoremDil 15:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What makes you believe that CelebHeights is a more reliable source than the official website, and where is the citation for his weight? --OnoremDil 15:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Celebheights is a website what is considered on estimating the heights of famous people because many heights of these celebrities are listed wrong. Well, about Durand, he is also listed as 6' 6" on the IMDb. Well, fact is that heights are rather involved to verify. Il P@zzo 15:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "Celebheights is a website what is considered on estimating the heights"
 * And that's exactly why I disagree that they are a reliable source. --OnoremDil 15:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Here again. Durand is 6'6". Il P@zzo 15:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, matter of taste. PS: Are you from turkey? Il P@zzo 15:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, Minnesota. --OnoremDil 15:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool! Well...hope you're joining Wikipedia. Greetings. Il P@zzo 15:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Why is all my stuff getting deleted three seconds after I put it up?
Can I please have a few seconds to save my material before it is "speedily deleted?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peedrag (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not the one doing the deleting. --OnoremDil 17:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Clarification
I'm not trying to portray myself in a bad light. I may be a little bit snappy, but this other user, Friday, is being quite box-headed about my stuff. I'm getting testy with him. Sorry if it seems like I'm taking some aggression out on you. Not trying to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peedrag (talk • contribs)
 * There is no reason to take your aggression out on Friday either. I know you feel differently, but what you had written and provided as sources did not establish notability for the bands. --OnoremDil 17:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Tommorelloyearbook.jpg
Hello Onorem, an automated process has found an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, such as fair use. The image (Image:Tommorelloyearbook.jpg) was found at the following location: User:Onorem/Tom Morello. This image or media will be removed per statement number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media will be replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg, so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. The image that was replaced will not be automatically deleted, but it could be deleted at a later date. Articles using the same image should not be affected by my edits. I ask you to please not re-add the image to your userpage and could consider finding a replacement image licensed under either the Creative Commons or GFDL license or released to the public domain. Thanks for your attention and cooperation. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 04:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for the advice on the wikiproject tags. - - Curious Gregor TALK |undefined 11:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice work
Nice job with the vandal fighting, keep it up. Aaron Bowen 18:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --OnoremDil 18:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry!
Hey, you recently reverted my edit to toast. So sorry about that, I blame it on my brother (he accidentally clicked "save" instead of "preview"). A thousand apologies, and well done for reverting so quickly. 41.242.16.157 18:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Where would i post this
Ok so i was watching Toy Story and as every one knows that Disney is famous for leaving hidden messages in there movies. And I believe i've found a new one i haven't found it any where else. If you watch the movie Toy Story 1, during the scene where Woody is at the podem during a meeting of toys, once he mentions that Andy's birthday was that day the Mr. Potato's voice say "What the Fuck". Check it out and you will hear it there a lot of other movies in disney where these messages have been found I think this should be wikipedia because they are proven and most of them are photos which can be found on line by just google searching Hidden Messages in Disney movies or Curse words in Disney. So if wikipedia has a page already i would like to post this new one i've found, and if there isn't I would like to start one. Can you help me. --Makall0209 23:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Hidden Messages in Disney Movies
It is no opinion that disney has many hidden messages in their movie. There are many websites dedicated to these proven findings. I dont know how to make a regular hyperlink on here, but I would most post a site here or you could simply google search it as I stated in the previous post. I mean i'm not just making this stuff up.--Makall0209 03:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Avoiding deletion for SpyVampire
your warning says

The best way to address this concern is to reference published, third-party sources about the subject.

Does this mean to authenticate the information by some third party source? How can I cite this article? I can request malware companies to authenticate this information.

I would be adding more information very shortly on this malware like its company, Whois, address of the company, its effects etc. Its gonna be useful..

Cheers


 * Onorem, I don't agree with your suggestion of not notibility. If you want to get rid from specific malware you are glad if you find the solution in wikipedia. Otto 16:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Spelling and grammatical errors (French)
Hey. Before saying something's unsourced, make sure you know the subject enough to have heard of something called Académie française. No trolling, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnPrionsaBeag (talk • contribs)
 * Tagging an unsourced article as unsourced isn't trolling. --OnoremDil 17:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Blowland
Can you please block User:84.241.150.26 and User:Blowland? They have no constructive edits whatsoever, and keep on vandalising my userpage. Can you please, have this activeties stopped by banning 'em? My page is being vandalised on a near daily base now! -)-(-H- (&#124;-&#124;) -O-)-(- 09:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hand Hygiene, Truths, Myths, and Misinformation
I am the author of the material in the article therefore there can be no copyright infringement. Please visit my website at www.germout.com for the original material. --JSHibbard 19:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Hand Hygiene
Please restore the Hand Hygiene article to Wikipedia. If you look at http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/hand-hygiene-truths-myths-and-misinformation-10882.html you will notice that JSHibbard is the author. That is me. The article was written by me (JSHIbbard) as part of the information about Hand Hygiene on my web site www.germout.com. This is a very well documented, very neutral, and very informative article on Hand Hygiene. I am extremely disappointed it was deleted without looking at the author on the web site. Please restore the article. Thank you. --JSHibbard 14:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. There are instructions for what to do when you hold the copyright to the material, although I'm not sure that information written by you and posted on your own site will qualify as a reliable source. --OnoremDil 15:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope this is the correct way to satisfy the copyright release. The following message has been left on the original article on Hand Hygiene and on the Talk Page for Hand Hygiene "Notice: The seven pages on Hand Hygiene on this website are available for reuse under the GFDL rules and guidelines as specified on Wikipedia". This message can be found by logging on to www.germout.com and scrolling down to Information. Click on the Hand Hygiene button on the left side below Information and scroll down to the bottom of the page.--JSHibbard 16:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Refer to Your Reply on My Talk Page
You must be joking. Look at the references for the Hand Hygiene article. They are very reliable and solid references. They are not my references or my opinion. All of the statements in the article are taken directly from those references. I believe the deletion of the Hand Hygiene article was arbitrary and capricious. I have a Ph.D. in microbiology and over 10 years experience with antiseptics which includes hand sanitizers and hygiene. I have authored and co-authored over eight publications in peer reviewed journals on topical antiseptics. Please refer to my web site www.jacompaniesllc.com. It is very frustrating to write a scientifically sound article with solid references and have it deleted from Wikipedia. Scientific journals are peer reviewed. Perhaps Wikipedia should consider using the same review process before articles are deleted. What person or persons do I contact to discuss the deletion of the Hand Hygiene article? Thank you for your consideration. --JSHibbard 00:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. I've explained 3 times how to make the material useable on Wikipedia. If you are going to continue to ignore that, ask someone else what to do. --OnoremDil 04:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Credentials
Onorem, according to Wikipedia guidelines, credentials do earn rights. Wikipedia guidelines state that "Self-published material may be acceptable when produced by a well-known, professional researcher (scholarly or non-scholarly) in a relevant field. These may be acceptable so long as their work has been previously published by reliable third-party publications." In my humble opinion, I believe I may qualify as a well-known, professional researcher (scholarly or non-scholarly) in a relevant field. I also was not ignoring your information on releasing copyright material. I simply did not understand those instructions. I have attempted to follow the directions by posting a note on the Hand Hygiene web pages and on the Hand Hygiene Talk Page (see above). Please tell me if I have followed the directions correctly. Thank you for your help and consideration.--JSHibbard 22:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

A smile from BABOON MAN


has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
 * [[Image:Cannabis sativa Koehler drawing.jpg|30px]]How does it violate copywrite, could you please just explain it to me and not put up a link, Thank you--BABOON MAN 04:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Martial arts capatailsation
In that instance probably not, I was just running though with AWB doing the easy ones, as with the M its a case by case thing. --Nate1481(talk/contribs) 10:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

GFDL Tagging and Haggawagga
Haggawagga has had torouble in the past using improper license tags. I cant say it is easy to get the correct one. My apologies for butting in too miuch on this issue but I have been keeping an eye on Haggawagga trying to make sure he follows the rules. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep. I tagged a few of his images last week. I've been trying to keep an eye on it also. When I noticed he changed tags on an image Kermanshahi uploaded, I was curious how he knew the source. I found the other image shortly after leaving the first message. --OnoremDil 13:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Wolfrat
Wait, don't kill the article on darkmindz yet, I know it looks like spam, but I'm still working on it! please :) thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfrat (talk • contribs)

Thank You for RVV
Thanks for keeping an eye out for the vandalism on my user page and reverting it. This guy has been vandalizing my pages for weeks now. Sad thing is, I know who the person is in real life, but they live far away so it's not like I can walk out my door here in California and yell at them. It's really too bad vandals have to damage the integerity of Wikipedia, but it's users like you who make this project something I believe in no matter the criticism it recieves or people who attempt to interrupt its free flow of information. Vayne 18:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

User talk:80.201.214.76
I've blocked the IP 80.201.214.76 for 6 months on the assumption they are an abusive sock. Please tag User talk:80.201.214.76 with a sock template when you get the username. Thanks! --Fire Star 火星 04:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You were right. I've put a makeshift sock template on the userpage with a link to the larger problem. Thanks again, --Fire Star 火星 05:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment from 66.147.146.90
It took you long enough to correct the WBA title fight misinformation on Oscar Bonavena, I told wikipedia about it several weeks ago. Duh, this is the dumbest encyclopedia ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.147.146.90 (talk)
 * Replied on your talk. Please be civil. --OnoremDil 20:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

List of major supercouples and other supercouples
Just letting you know I removed your prod and replaced it to save time reverting all the junk that came just before you. Cheers Kevin 04:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. had removed it just before your first edit. I had already started the AfD by the time you reverted, so just putting the prod back wouldn't have worked. --OnoremDil 10:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

List of major supercouples and other supercouples
My name is Nashtess16 and you need to watch soap operas because all those couples are relable sources. You really need to wath soap operas before u nominate that page to be deleted and I created that page. I am not fooling around i really created that page. You say that everybody who goes on that created it. I know what you mean because people do put other stuff on that page but i was the first one to create the page. You can go on all the soap operas on wikipedia to see if that supercouples are relable sources.
 * I don't doubt that you created that page, but please read WP:RS and WP:OR. --OnoremDil 10:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Deletion in Michael Jordan
You recently deleted the following from the "Media figure and business interests" section of the Michael Jordan page:


 * Though Jordan's commercial success ultimately derived from his own charisma and playing ability, his agent David Falk engineered most of Jordan's endorsement deals, including the all-important first deal with Nike. Jordan has said of Falk that "he's the best at what he does," and that "marketing-wise, he's great. He's the one who came up with the concept of 'Air Jordan.'"

You listed these two reasons for deletion: "unsourced interpretation" and "selective quote."

First, the "selective quote." I used the selective quote because the original was longer, and I didn't want to add too much length to an already long article. But if you insist on the original quote, it is as follows:


 * "A lot of people don't like David, but he's the best at what he does," Jordan told USA Today last year. "What he does is get underneath your skin, whoever he's negotiating with, because he figures out what your objectives are, your angles. He understands the market; he understands the players. He's a brash, arrogant, egotistical, aggressive negotiator, which is good, because when you have someone represent you, you want him to do that. Marketing-wise, he's great. He's the one who came up with the concept of 'Air Jordan.'"

Here's another quote from the same article:


 * By all accounts, much of Jordan's fame is due to the efforts of FAME (Falk Associates Management Enterprises). "Most outside observers spend hours trying to analyze: 'Did Michael Jordan carry David Falk along for a nice ride for the past 12 years?' Other people wonder: 'Did Dr. Frankenstein Falk create Michael Jordan in a laboratory somewhere?' Michael and David haven't spent three minutes in 12 years worrying about it."

Now, for the "unsourced interpretation." What exactly about this is "unsourced interpretation"? I gave a reference which said Falk was Jordan's agent. As such, he was automatically the "engineer" of Jordan's endorsement deals (and I don't think calling the Nike deal "all-important" is a stretch... there are bigger stretches in this article). Furthermore, I specifically phrased it so that Falk is not seen as receiving the majority of the credit for Jordan's endorsement deals, even if he might have deserved it ("though Jordan's commercial success ultimately derived from his own charisma and playing ability..."). If you need confirmation that Falk was a large part of Jordan's commercial success, read the article on David Falk, particularly the sections "Signing Jordan and the Nike deal," "Marketing Michael Jordan," "Influence in 1995 and 1998 NBA lockouts: 1995 NBA lockout," and "General influence: Legacy." I would like to see a good reason why Falk should not be included in the section on Jordan as a media figure, since Falk had a very large part in creating Jordan's public image, and was Jordan's agent for his entire career.

If you don't like my original source, though I doubt you even read it, try this one, among the others listed as references in the David Falk entry. If indeed you haven't read the original source article (the first link I give in this paragraph), I would recommend reading at least this much: start with the paragraph that begins "Sometimes simply having so many big fish as clients..." and end with the paragraph which ends "...his endorsement income never skipped a beat."

I think the reasons I have chronicled here are strong enough to warrant the two sentences I posted (especially considering the material I have provided and asked you to read in the paragraph preceding this one). Unless you respond within a week, I plan to revert the page. If you think the sentences I added are opinion (I don't see how they are, but whatever), then please re-word them yourself rather than deleting them. Any suggestions for changing the wording of a statement are always welcome, but I think not mentioning David Falk in an article about Jordan would be an oversight.

Please reply on this talk page. Thanks. Joseph Petek 06:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I called it a selective quote because you left out all the negative parts. The unsourced interpretation was "Jordan's commercial success ultimately derived from his own charisma and playing ability". It doesn't say anywhere in your source that Jordan's charisma and ability are what made him a commercial success. I don't disagree, but that's not what it says.
 * "If you don't like my original source, though I doubt you even read it"
 * With this statement, you basically call me a liar. Please do not do so again. I read your source. If I missed something in it, it was a mistake. Try assuming good faith. --OnoremDil 10:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * More on the selective quote. Would you approve of something like "Jordan has said of Falk that "A lot of people don't like David," and that "What he does is get underneath your skin...He's a brash, arrogant, egotistical, aggressive negotiator""? That is why I wanted to remove the statement as it was written. --OnoremDil 10:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Forgot to add that I have no problem with Falk being mentioned. I agree that it would be wrong if he wasn't in the article at all. --OnoremDil 12:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I guess. In actual fact, I never considered any part of that quote "negative."  Why would anyone?  The way Jordan is saying it, it's obviously meant to be a complement.  I don't have a problem with the re-wording that you placed back in, so we'll call this one solved.  If you think the whole quote should be used, please do.


 * While I'm talking to you, would you mind taking a look at a few other issues of mine? You've obviously been doing this for a while, and I'd like your input on some things I'm not sure about.


 * The first is the "Image for David Falk" entry in the "Copyrights/Can I use..." section. I'm not at all sure about whether I can find a way to use that image... it looks like it's copyrighted, and an e-mail I sent in an attempt to release it got no response.  Is there any way it could be construed as fair use, or something similar?  If not, could you find a free one (I've been unable to find a free image)?


 * The second issue is the only entry on the [David Falk] talk page, about links to three articles off of igtc.com.


 * If you could take a minute to examine these issues, I would much appreciate it! Joseph Petek 16:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit made for section readability.
 * I'll try to take a look later this afternoon. I think that it's usually frowned upon to claim fair use for pictures of living people, but I also know that it still happens sometimes. --OnoremDil 16:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

A message from Fred-stine
Hello, just wanted to clarify that my use of 'my' did not imply ownership, rather authorship as a primary editor in so much as I instigated the article after seeing a deficiency in parent article. Thanks for you comment none the less. Your comments and suggestions are appreciated. I'm still a newbie here but want to see this article remain a stand alone piece as it deserves singular attention IMHO. Fred-stine 06:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the vandalism revert on my user page. Freshacconci 10:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

A message from Smith Jones
your terrible article Army of Freshmen is up for deletion. is this okay with you?!? Smith Jones 01:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * sorry abkout that it's my fault but the coward who actually made the aricle did'nt eve bother to sign his work Smith Jones 03:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Try to pay better attention. That's my only response. --OnoremDil 03:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * try to asume good faith and la off the presonal attacks please. it was a mistake im sorry let it go Smith Jones 03:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse me? You first call it "my terrible article", then say "the coward" didn't even bother to sign his work....now you're asking others to lay off the personal attacks? Please point out the personal attack I made, and I may apologize for it. I don't see where that happened. --OnoremDil 03:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * whatev man if you want to be pretty about this then be my guest i will be folowing wiki policies Smith Jones
 * Sounds good to me. I'd suggest you start following wiki policies by not calling articles "terrible" and not calling editors "cowards." --OnoremDil 03:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I stopped canvassing
I now really quit doing it. Okay? I am stopped canvassing, and I'm not going to do it again. Sorry. I just wanted to warn some more editors, and now, I think I've warned enough admins. You are right, I need to stop, and so, I jst did. Thanks for warning me, Onorem. Randalph P. Williams 12:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Article disscussion
I can't thank you enough for bringing precedent to the discussion and for helping strengthen Orca, article minutiae. Your insight and knowledge of the Wiki system is undeniable and most appreciated.Fred-stine 12:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure all I did to that article was change $ to US$, but your welcome. --OnoremDil 12:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)