User talk:Ooggii

Kirishitan
Hi Ooggii, welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your recent edits to the Kirishitan article. I wanted to let you know that I restored the earlier version of the article, and I wanted to explain why.
 * 1) We can't copy and paste stuff from websites, even if it is sourced, unless we are quoting. (e.g., "Professor so and so states that..." is ok, for brief quotation)  To do otherwise is plagiarism, even if it is cited.  No copy-paste, ok?  :)  See Copy-paste, also see WP:Plagiarism
 * 2) The claim itself, about 500,000 Japanese women being taken overseas is somewhat suspect. I searched all over the place to find evidence to support this, and have not found anything other than copy-paste quotations across the blogosphere from this one single source.  At the same time, I have evidence to suggest that Rosary of the Showa is somewhat of a "Da Vinci Code"-style POV work - sensational claims but maybe not really objective.  See Talk:Martyrs_of_Japan for my reasoning and support.

I wanted to ask if you know more about these claims - are you familiar with the Rosary of the Showa work, or the underlying History of Modern Japanese People: The Toyotomi Era work, or even better, the work underlying that, the Tensho embassy report? The thing is, maybe this slave trade happened, I'd love to know (I have an interest in Japanese history), but we need reliable sources, so if there's anything you could tell me to help find a copy of this Tensho embassy report, so we could have a more direct citation instead of relying on a fourth- or fifth-hand account, then we'd be able to add something to the article about it. Thanks!

Joren (talk) 18:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

-- HI Joren! I am Japanese.

It is the enough possible matter that 500,000 slaves led during 50 years. 'Rosary of the Showa' is that is made write history by basis. It is the enough possible matter that 500,000 slaves led during 50 years. http://www.gameou.com/~rendaico/nihonchristokyoshico/zinshinbaibaico.htm

At the same time, I have evidence to suggest that Rosary of the Showa is somewhat of a "Da Vinci Code"-style POV work - sensational claims but maybe not really objective. See Talk:Martyrs_of_Japan for my reasoning and support. ????????? => IF Rosary of the Showa is not objective, this article ((( About 150,000 Japanese troops landed in Korea in May-June 1592, spearheaded by the Christian daimyo Konishi Yukinaga and his division of 18,000 coreligionists. The Japanese tried to wipe out the Korean forces, and massacres proliferated. They took 8,000 heads, putting “every one who showed a sign of resistance to the edge of the sword.” Two days later, Konishi attacked Tongnae, defended by 20,000 Korean troops. At a cost of 100 Japanese killed, he “filled the fosse with five thousand dead.” On May 31, Kato took Kong-ju, “putting three thousand Koreans to the sword.” On the same day a third division of 12,000, under the Christian daimyo Kuroda, attacked Kimhae, “inflicting terrific damage on the enmy” and killing thousands more at Seishiu. Pushing north in early June, Konishi's forces killed another 3,000-8,000 Korean troops in the Choryong pass. Three Japanese divisions had killed 15,000-20,000 Korean soldiers in three weeks. A Japanses general's war memoirs testified to the burial of 185,738 Korean and 29,014 Chinese “heads.” Japanese forces also seized over 100,000 Korean artisans and scholars and perhaps 50,000-60,000 women, and forcibly transported them to Japan or sold them as slaves abroad.))) is not objective, too.

If it does not become speech that kidnap 500,000 persons during 50 years.Is to kidnap person more than 100,000 for years made sense?

-- Reply from Joren:


 * I want to explain one thing - I agree that there was a slave trade. But, we don't know how many people.  It is only a guess...
 * It is much easier to travel to Korea from Japan, but Europe is far away. That is why some people say they believe 100,000 Koreans were taken as slaves but they don't believe 500,000 Japanese girls were taken to Europe.  Korea is very close to Japan, but Europe is far away and it's hard to take that many people so far.  Anyway, we don't get to decide what is truth...we have to research and find it out.  So let's find out :) Joren (talk) 19:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It is much easier to travel to Korea from Japan, but Europe is far away. That is why some people say they believe 100,000 Koreans were taken as slaves but they don't believe 500,000 Japanese girls were taken to Europe.  Korea is very close to Japan, but Europe is far away and it's hard to take that many people so far.  Anyway, we don't get to decide what is truth...we have to research and find it out.  So let's find out :) Joren (talk) 19:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

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Even if all two articles take away or all two articles will have to recognize


 * ああ、日本人ですね！日本の歴史について、日本人がいればいいことと思います. 弱く悪い文法でごめんなさい！　今、日本語を勉強していますから、Ooggiiさんは日本語で書くのほうがいいとかもしれません
 * Thank you for giving me the URL. I can see that it is about the female slave trade, I will sit down and read it shortly.
 * Actually, you are right, this article needs a lot of cleaning up and I have not had time to work on it until now. I think the part about Korea was trying to say that the Christian daimyo was a hypocrite, because even though he is Christian, he still participated in the Korean war.  It is not really trying to make Japanese people look bad, ok? :)  However, I also agree that this section is not objective and that some of that does not belong here.  This article is about Kirishitan, not about Korean slaves, right?
 * I want to read your URL now. I will reply later...thanks for your time.  Joren (talk) 03:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

あの…インタネットのどこかに天正少年使節団の全報告書がありましょうか (Is there somewhere on the Internet where I can find the complete report from the Tenshou Young Men's Embassy?)Joren (talk) 04:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

-- HI Joren! Numerical value of most Oriental history recording is reasoning. 500,000 people are enough possible level. Also,Japanese woman more than 300,000 person was forced prostitution in the foreign countries in 19th century middle. http://www.karayukisan.jp/no3/index.html At any time, Many Japanese womens and Chinese womens were traded as sexual slave for hundreds of years to western man. This is dignified truth. http://www.imperialchina.org/Ming_Dynasty.html


 * Reply from Joren
 * からゆきさん=Japanese prostitute taken overseas by force? I found this article on Japanese Wikipedia:  からゆきさん  This sounds like what we are talking about.Joren (talk) 20:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

-- Hi Ooggii,

Three questions:


 * 1) Is there somewhere on the Internet where I can find the complete report from the Tenshou Young Men's Embassy?  インタネットのどこかに天正少年使節団の全報告書がありましょうか
 * 2) Do you use Japanese wikipedia?  メインページ
 * 3) Do you know if Japanese wikipedia has articles about slavery?  I found 奴隷 but it doesn't talk very much about foreigners buying women.  It only says that during 戦国時代 the Portuguese slave traders bought Japanese slaves, but no details :(

Thank you, Joren (talk) 19:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Prostitution in South Korea
Please read my post on the talk page before reinstating that material. Thanks --Danger (talk) 17:05, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooggii, you may be blocked if you continue to revert Prostitution in South Korea without waiting to persuade the other editors on the talk page. It is not enough to merely refer to the talk page, you must actually persuade the other editors to support your change. A complaint about this article has already been filed at WP:RFPP. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 20:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

- I TALK 'Chinese prostitutes = not Human trafficking victim, Voluntary prostitutes. DO NOT Emotionally EDIT) '

-What do you mean Chinese been voluntary? I said on the talk page before, while there are other prostitute in Korea, and only point out Chinese been prostitute, that is discrimination against Chinese. First, no one said anything there is no Chinese prostitute, second, there are Russian, Japanese, Vietnamese been in the sex business in there, however; why you only state Chinese only? On your editing, you just simply left no information. That is why i said it is discrimination. Also, even there are some Chinese woman voluntary engaged in sex work doesn't mean all of them are happy to enjoy it. One more thing, please remember there is not only Korean live in this plant and when you use ref., if you can, please use English or you can put as much as you can in Korea vision. Since I don't understand, I will believe they are neutral and reliable. Thank you. Smiling Demon Lord (talk) 17:50, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

- I don`t understand you. discrimination ? I do not intend to... you right to add information about other nation prostitute in Korea. only 'Chinese prostitute in Korea' must be recorded this text. and this Social phenomena in korea is not regarded as only Human Trafficking. plz don`t eraze this information.

- like yo say 'Young Russian girls been called "Coffee girls" because they can be found in a cover up coffee shop for entertaining'  why you only state Russian only? 'please remember there is not only Korean live in this plant ' This mention ... You can be assertive and hands on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ooggii (talk • contribs) 12:12, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

- First at all, discrimination means attacking only on one group of people, while you only point out Chinese as only foreigner in Korea engage in prostitution, and you said there no information on the others. I don't know what else i can say to explain your action. Second it is not what I SAID, it is what information i found and the refrences are in English so we both can understand. Unfortunately for your reference, sorry, I don't understand Korean and there is no way I can check if they are reliable to believe or not. I hope you can understand this. Thanks.Smiling Demon Lord (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

- 'I don't understand Korean' : a lack of ability,  this section : korean Social Problems ,  if you edit this section ,  you should be aware of korean

- Why dont you just answer my question first? and i dont think Korean is some thing for everyone must have.Smiling Demon Lord (talk) 21:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

You are edit warring at Prostitution in South Korea
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