User talk:Orangemaze

September 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added to the page DTE Energy Music Theatre do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used as a platform for advertising or promotion, and doing so is contrary to the goals of this project. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 23:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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John, I did not mean to 'spam' the page, I have been creating a concert database, trying to be as accurate as possible with listing of shows to venues. My belief was, and is, that the external link was providing more references to the shows mentioned in the particular article. The Concerts Database allows for fans to discuss their thoughts on a show and to add photos and materials, to allow a person to know more about a specific event. The site also shows band members, song lyrics, etc... so people can see how things change over time. Lastly the Concert Database also takes in to account the various names of venues, and allows people to see all the shows, regardless of the name. Orangemaze (talk) 01:11, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Orangemaze, thanks for responding. The problems I have with your addition of your site to WP venue articles are
 * that it's your own site you're adding. Smells of conflict of interest right away.
 * (I am sorry that this will seem insulting; I don't know how to get around it when expressing my concern.) that the site does not appear to be of a quality worth linking to. Not to belittle the (considerable!) effort you have apparently already put into it, but it doesn't look like a finished site we should send readers to. Look at http://www.pf-db.com/index.php?list=venues&choice=98, for example, which you just re-added to the Hollywood Sportatorium article. That's a big table with low accessibility for unsighted visitors. It doesn't even table headings, useful for sighted and unsighted visitors alike. There's no legend for the abbreviations used. It's not immediately clear what the user is looking at. Except the ads.
 * that there's no evidence of the reliability of the info on your site. It looks like a hobby of yours, which is cool, but it doesn't make it a reliable source. I'm not aware of other notable media pointing to your site as authoritative (someday, maybe, but not yet).
 * that the list of some supposed concerts shown on the page you added are not really related enough to the article subject. I don't think it's necessary or even helpful enough to include the link to your list, which, AFAICT, is really focused on whatever recordings were made at individual shows, not on the venues themselves, and certainly not on the Sportatorium.
 * I think these additions to the External links section are inappropriate for the reasons above, and their similarity to the items in WP:LINKSTOAVOID, in particular points 7, 11, and 13. I have problems with the accessibility, authoritativeness, reliability and relevance. Having said that, however, I hope you have much success with your site and can continue to develop it. Maybe it'll someday be a resource we can more comfortably add to WP articles. Best regards, &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 07:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Reply... I do not agree with your statement in regards to points 7 (Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users, such as sites that only work with a specific browser or in a specific country.) as this site works with all known browsers, and is used world wide. I will be looking into making it more accessible for disabled people.

As to point 11, this site has been referenced in several books about Pink Floyd, such as the PF Encyclopedia. I have only recently been adding other bands to the site to make it more universal. This is more than a 'fan' site, as this is showing how bands are linked together, a deeper look into tours, etc....

To point 13, Each of the pages I have added a link to talk about concerts at the specific venue, what I have been doing is adding more depth to the knowledge, by allowing people to know more about what bands have played at a specific venue. Several bands and venues have been sending me lists of concerts, as there really aren't many sites that list multiple bands. I have even earned a kudos from Robert Fripp of King Crimson, a band that is notorious for asking sites to remove info.

In all I appreciate your thoughts and feedback, and will work harder to ensure the sire is viewable by all, and it is more readable for those that need their hands held.

Orangemaze (talk) 01:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)