User talk:Orartu/Archive 4

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Hi Orartu!

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About your recent edits
Pahlavi clan is a Persian clan not Azerbaijani.They were always proud to be Persian.Orartu (talk) 10:17, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I saw your recent edits. Every category should be relevant and reliable enough. Categorization is something like writing articles. Personal views or original researches are not proper reasons to categorize articles. Your recent edits have no source. Also, you change categories without any reason. Ethnicity must be mentioned in the article with enough reliable source(s). In Iran, there is only one official language (Persian) and people speak it as their first language or second language. Most Iranians speak Persian. So all of them are Persian or Iranian? Barack Obama speaks English, Can we call him Anglo-Saxon or English man? The answer is simple: NO. He's an American. See his Wikipedia article. That article is a good example for you if you want to edit something like people ethnicity. Every category have reliable sources in the main article content. If you want to categorize people with somethings like "descent", or "X descent", or "Y descent", or "Iranian people of X descent", You must have reliable sources and do edits like other Wikipedia articles about people. Otherwise your edits are more like disruptive than constructive. Also, I wrote in my edit summaries why I reverted your edits. But you ignored them all and continued your work. This is no a good idea. Xooon (talk) 12:57, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello.But Pahlavi clan is different.They destroyed Azerbaijan of Iran, Azerbaijani people's language and culture.Azerbaijani people were massacred by Reza Alashti and his son.In addition, there isn't any authoritative and valid source to confirm that they were Azerbaijanis or had Azerbaijani descent.About other cases, all of them are born in Persian-ethnic(Fars-ethnic) regions from Persian(Fars) parents and are considered to be Persian-ethnic(it is different from Persian-speaking people)in Iran.Orartu (talk) 13:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As I said before, only reliable sources and references are important (source does matter). You talked about Shah and Pahlavi family. Shah's mother "Tadj ol-Molouk" was from Baku. Is she Azeri or not? Shah's wife "Farah Pahlavi" also has Azeri origin. Reza Shah was Mazandarani. So how you identify them as Persian? Even if an editor want to call them Azeri, he/she must have sources to confirm it. It's obvious that Pahlavi is an Iranian family with mixed heritage. We can categorize them as "Iranian". Because this is the fact that is confirmed. But if anyone want to write about something like "descent", it requires reliable sources (Azeri, Persian, Mazandarani, or etc). Ethnicity is not equal or related to somethings like you wrote in my talk page (and copied here). You can not change people's ethnicity/nationality/demonym with somethings like personal view, political view, and similar ones. If you think "X is Y", then you must find reliable and relevant sources. Instead of changing categories' names without any reason OR adding irrelevant categories without any source, better find sources. Your edits are not minor edits. All of them need source and must confirmed by the other editors. Xooon (talk) 14:17, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Categorize them as Iranian people not Azerbaijani.Jewish identity is passed from mother,Pahlavi family were Jewish?Orartu (talk) 14:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What?! Xooon (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You said that Farah Diba(Wife of Mohammed Reza) and Tadj ol-Molouk Ayrumlu (mother of Mohammad Reza Alashti) were Turks and according to this the Pahlavi family could be placed in Category:Iranian people of Azerbaijani descent.It was possible, if they were Jewish.(I mean,if Pahlavi(Pahaluni or Palani) family were Jewish, they could take their identity from their mother). Orartu (talk) 14:48, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We talk about ethnicity/ethnic groups. There is no difference between Mother and Father. If someone's mother is from ethnicity/country X and father is from ethnicity/county Y, and that person is a citizen of the country Z. That person is a X-Y-Z. You can call her/him X, or Y, or Z, or X-Y, or X-Z, or Y-Z, or X-Y-Z, or any other thing that is related and relevant to that person. Again, [[Barack Obama]]'s article is a very good example. And also many of those categorizations are done by the Azeri Wikipedians (for example articles about Iranian Azeris). If you think they are false/wrong and have reasons for them, you better discuss in the talk pages or directly talk to the editor(s) who did categorization. Most of those categorizations have source and you need to collaborate with other editors and admins. Unsourced, wrong, unnecessary, false, and irrelevant categories will be removed by the other Wikipedians to improve content. So everything is clear. Xooon (talk) 15:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Farah and Tadj ol-Molouk were not pure Turks.Farah's mother was Gilak.Tadj ol-Molouk was Ayrum and had Greek and Christian descent.They must be categorized as Greek and Gilak too.The Azerbaijni ancestry of Pahlavi family was doubtful, because they were killers of Azerbaijani people, culture and language and they cannot be regarded as Azerbaijanis.Orartu (talk) 15:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Their real race is Fars(Persian).Because Fars people of Iran are not pure and are composed of different races.Look at hereTemplate:Ethnic groups in Iran.Orartu (talk) 16:10, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Which one is correct ?
Hi ! In this edit :, you changed the sentence "Shahriyar was a legendary Iranian Azeri poet" to "Shahriyar was a legendary Iranian poet of Azeri origin". I think the first sentence is correct, because when someone reads the second sentence , the reader can not understand if Shahriyar has been a citizen of Az.republic that has immigranted to Iran. Something like " Moshe Katsav is an Israeli politician of Iranian origin ". But Shahriyar's family has not been immigrants to Iran. Shahriyar has been always Azerbaijani and remained Azerbaijani. Iranian Azeris are not Iranians with Azerbaijani origin, but they are the owners of Iran , not the guests ! Sagh olasan, Thank you --Alborz Fallah (talk) 13:04, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Please first discuss the change in the talk page, then - after reaching consensus - change it !
Hi again, I want to ask you please first read the discussion page then change the page. Please look at the,  and. Thank you --Alborz Fallah (talk) 15:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * But I did not see any discussion when the other users were putting these lies too.Plese hint them first.--Orartu (talk) 16:08, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Because Azerbaijanis don't have any right in Iran to defend their history, if you put Azerbaijani-related articles in categories like historical Iran, the other nations in Iran will misuse them.You can put it in historical Azerbaijan category--Orartu (talk) 15:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I will report your behavior to the admins . And about your opinion, keep it for yourself : I am the proud Iranian Azerbaijani , and I do think you are wrong . --Alborz Fallah (talk) 16:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You are free to do what you want.Your opinion is not imporant to me.I am proud to be Iranian Azerbaijani too. I'm not dumb and I will defend my activities.Orartu (talk) 17:15, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You are not an Azerbaijani, your have mentioned in your user page that your mother tongue is Persian, then you are Iranian Persian, not Iranian Azerbaijani.--Orartu (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Stop it, both of you. Do not engage in "I am and therefore I have the moral right to say stuff; you are and therefore don't" sorts of arguments. Being or not being in certain ethnic groups neither one gives you any special authority on Wikipedia. Additionally, telling someone else that she/he is not a member of an ethic group that the person claims can be considered a personal attack and will not be tolerated. I am putting this on both your talk pages Lady  of  Shalott  16:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Report
I decided to report your edits. Because after a long conversation, it seems that you don't want to change your way of editing. Huge amount of removing/altering articles content without any source/discussion. This must reported to admins. Xooon (talk) 16:02, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Report.Did you think here is Iran? I only delete lies about Azerbaijan.--Orartu (talk) 16:05, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is Wikipedia. The only important thing for me is Wikipedia. You better don't insult other Wikipedians. And also I don't care about your feelings (Iran, Azerbaijan, and what you call them lies). Because they are not important for me. You are free to edit. But the rules and policies are obvious. Xooon (talk) 16:47, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't care about your feelings too.But Iran, Azerbaijan and Wikipedia ,all three of them are important to meOrartu (talk) 17:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Azerbaijani Genocide in Iran


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سالام‌لار
سالام‌لار اورارتو خانیم. چکدیینیز زحمت‌لردن تشککور ائدیرم. ))) ایسته‌دییینیز مطلبی یئرینه یئتیردیم (یئرینه یئتیرمک اوچون چالیشدیم). درین حورمت‌له --Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 18:00, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Orartu/Azerbaijani Genocide in Iran
Since the article is not really ready for the mainspace yet, I have moved it to User:Orartu/Azerbaijani Genocide in Iran where you can continue to work on it. Lady of  Shalott  18:56, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot dear LadyofShalott.You are an angel.With respectOrartu (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Again, you have talkback on my page. Lady of  Shalott  19:18, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

یئنی‌دن سالام‌لار
یئنی‌دن سالام‌لار اورارتو خانیم. سیزدن بوردا و بوردا شیکایت وار. تلسمه‌یین و همیشه‌کی‌ کیمین قایدا - قانون‌لار اساسی‌ندا اوزونوزدن مودافیعه ائدین. درین حورمت‌له --Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 19:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Formal Warnning
Your recent edits seem to have the appearance of edit warring. Users are expected to collaborate and discuss with others and avoid editing disruptively. Please be particularly aware, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss the changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.. Kurdo777 (talk) 21:36, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * Please watch your words when you are talking about me with others.You are insulting me.If you repeat, I will report.--Orartu (talk) 09:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What Kurdo777 posted here is a standard warning for edit warring, and it looks to me like it was justified. Lady  of  Shalott  13:46, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Many Thanks.--Orartu (talk) 12:35, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Do not add categories accusing people of perpetrating genocide unless there are reliable sources cited in the article that say that. It is an extremely serious accusation, and must be backed up with sourcing. Please read WP:V as well. Lady of  Shalott  13:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Genocide of Azerbaijani people in Iran for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Genocide of Azerbaijani people in Iran is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Genocide of Azerbaijani people in Iran until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.--  R a f y  talk 15:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have to make it clear that I have nothing against Azeris or other Turkic minorities. The problem with the current article is that it makes a bold claim of Genocide which was never or very rarely used within the academic circles. What you can do is create an article with a more fitting title, like Anti-Azerism if it's an ongoing process (later Soviet persecutions and inter-ethnic Armenian-Azeri massacres can also be eventually added.) another option is to use a less provocative title, like Anti-Azeri agitation in Iran if you mean to write about a specific event. Regards.--  R a f y  talk 19:14, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It is obvious.I am so sorry for you because you are Assyrian and by this act show your hatred against Azerbaijanis,it's not forgettable.Orartu (talk) 19:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Arbcomm
Hello, You have been mentioned here as a party   --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 10:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Your comments at the AfD
Hi Orartu, some of your AfD comments have been brought to my attention. You are with a broad brush making serious accusations about a group of people. You can't just say that a whole group of people wants to destroy another group of people. This is directly analogous to what I told you about categorizing a person as a genocide-perpetrator. You must directly back such statements up with scholarly references. They can not be your opinion. Nor can they be from your personal experience. If you keep up this sort of rhetoric, I'm afraid your editing days will be numbered. If you can tone it down and stick to what can be directly sourced, you can become a valuable contributor to Wikipedia. Maybe you'd like to try building your skills in a less controversial subject matter. Lady of  Shalott  15:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
&mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 17:04, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Genocide of Azerbaijani people in Iran
Hi.How could I get the content of this deleted article? --Orartu (talk) 04:09, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've userfied the page for you. You can access it at User:Orartu/Anti-Azerbaijani agitations in Iran. If you need further help, please let me know.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  08:59, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks--Orartu (talk) 10:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Some tips to help you out!
Hi, I thought I'd drop a few notes on your talk page with some help on writing articles :o)

First of all, it may be best for you to do a bit of reading, starting with the Wikipedia manual of style, which will give you a lot of information about how Wikipedia prefers its articles to be written. It's not as hard to follow as it might look; quite a bit of the information there probably won't be vital for you at first.

Second, I recommend you make a user sandbox - which is just an area you can use to practise in, and to make notes in, and to get things ready in. If you click this red link: user:/Sandbox, that will let you create that page (it gives you an edit window to start work in). Anything, anywhere, on the help and information pages which gives you an example, try it out in your sandbox until you're familiar with it.

For your article, the next thing you want to do is start collecting as much information as you can about it. Google searches (particularly in Books and Scholar) will be your best friend for this! Once you've found the information, the next most important thing is to start writing up each fact in your own words (very important, this), and make a note at the same time of exactly where that information came from. Build in the references as you go along; I'm going to copy in, down below this, a whole heap of help on doing references, which was produced by one of our best teachers (Chzz).

Here's another place that you'll find incredibly useful - citation templates which you can copy and paste into your sandbox, between tags; you just fill in the blanks from your sources into the template, and you'll end up with nicely formatted inline citations :o) It all helps.  Remember to add a references section to your sandbox (make a new line, and put ==References== on it, and type  on the next line, so that you can see how your citations look as you do them. Remember to save your page often! You don't want to lose your work.

Hopefully this will give you a good start and make life easier for you.

One last thing to keep as a motto: "It's better to write one good, well-referenced, nicely-presented article than it is to create fifty unreferenced one-line stubs!" Pesky ( talk  …stalk!) 10:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Simple references
These require two parts;


 * a)

Chzz is 98 years old.

He likes tea.


 * b) A section called "References" with the special code " ";

Named references
Chzz was born in 1837.

Chzz lives in Footown.

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates
You can put anything you like between, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals.

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

Something to make your life easier!
Hi there ! I've just come across one of your articles, and noticed that you might appreciate some help with references.

You might want to consider using this tool - it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete citation templates for your links. All you do is install the script on Special:MyPage/common.js, or or Special:MyPage/vector.js, then paste the bare url (without [...] brackets) between your tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you remember to save the page! It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for pdf documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well. Happy editing!  Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 10:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)