User talk:Orderinchaos/Archive 06

Archive : June 2007

Reasons not to trust The International Herald Tribune as WP:RS
Dead men don't discuss the sale of companies. Thewinchester (talk) 11:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL the ghost who walks! :) SatuSuro 12:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of William and Mary High School Model United Nations. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Ripponlea
Hi, What are the official boundaries of Ripponlea? I question whether or not the Top Shop on the corner of Glen Eira Road and Hotham Street are part of Ripponlea? If so, would streets like Attley, Bailey, Myrtle, Acacia and Gordon also be in Ripponlea? If not (I think that is the answer), then places like Caulfield Grammar and the Top Shop, Attley, Bailey and Myrtle Streets would be in East St Kilda, whereas Solomon's Kosher Butchers, BBE Mechanics, Gordon and Acacia Streets would be in Elsternwick. Because Ripponlea Primary School on Carrington Grove is definitely in East St Kilda. Also, Ripponlea would have two postcodes: 3183 above Glen Eira Road and 3185 below Glen Eira Road. Because Oak St is in Ripponlea and its postcode is 3183. St Petersburg Restaurant is in Ripponlea and is 3183. 02:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)~
 * See my response on the article talk page. Orderinchaos 02:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Help needed
I have started a Portal:The_Three_Worlds_Cycle and need some of your advice on how to fix a few things. Seems to be a few incorrectly named links that i am unsure how to fix such as Fate_of_the_Children which should be The Fate of the Children and also Old_human should be Old Humans. Is there anyway to fix these easily or do you need to make a new article to correct title ? Another thing is how can i get rid of the extra 'The' on the Portal title as it comes up The The Three Worlds Cycle Portal (the series is called 'The Three World Cycle') but seems the extra 'The' happens by the way the Portal title is designed, so not sure what to do. Actually maybe better to rename the Portal as Three Worlds for fixing the problem, even tho the Author calls it 'The Three World Cycle'Boylo 04:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok pretty much sorted that out now. Only thing left is Category:The Three Worlds cycle should be Category:The Three Worlds Cycle. But not sure how to adjust that.Boylo 07:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Mira Mar
Nice article on Mira Mar, I'll take a couple of photos for you. Hope all is well with the grad dip ed - if you need any ideas for lessons or some worksheets then let me know and I can email you some ideas Cheers --Hughesdarren 11:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Distances
Just brought a copy of the distances book today - there is an online aspect to it according to henrietta - but it didnt load for me! SatuSuro 13:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * briefs is the legal eagles gossip rag and hard copy only (that i have ever seen) is why i put it on the further reading rather than ext link ! cheers SatuSuro 13:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: PNG
wow! thankyou so much for doing this! Aliasd 02:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

AFD on Red Herring Surf
Hi Orderinchaos. Since you voted delete as the article 'clearly failed WP:CORP', I have managed to dig up five or six reliable sources and print mentions - you might like to reconsider your vote? If it still doesn't meet WP:CORP in your eyes, please explain why not. Thanks! Neil  ╦  09:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also the AFD on Connect Financial - now has a bunch of references to satisfy WP:CORP. Thanks again.  Neil   ╦  09:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello
I am more interested in economics than Western Australia, but i aim to mostly be involved in performing quite repetative tasks that no-one wants to do (in their right mind). Stuff like tagging talk pages with all the relevant WP Australia tags etc. I dont really intend on doing much mainspace editing apart from the odd spelling and grammar stuff. AfD's look like the place to be - ill give that a go. I usually dont get much time, so i will prob be editing in small doses here and there. So any major repetative tasks u want done, just message me. cheers for the welcome. Savin Me 10:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello, I am having trouble fixing my signature (as you can see on the GSV debated - in the list of Aust Deletions) - can you help? cheers. &#91;&#91;User talk:Savin Me&#124;Savin Me]] 05:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Australian music
You previously indicated an interest in this at WikiProject Council/Proposals. I've started up a new page but it needs lots of work. Come on over and join up. Regards. &mdash;Moondyne 18:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Get some sleep...
OK, you're editing the train crash article this early? I've got an excuse with my data card, laptop, and a long train journey. You on the other hand got stuff all sleep if your contribs are to be believed. Just cleaned up a redundant reference in the article which no longer existed, which because the tag wasn't correctly closed his some others. Thewinchester (talk) 23:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Mornington Peninsula
This definition is not followed by the Mornington Peninsula Shire, which considers itself to be outside of metropolitain Melbourne. Changes made as definitions were ridiculous, parts of the peninsula that are relatively subarbanised and nearer to Melbourne were described as town in Victoria, whereas others that are little other than farmland and located considerably further from Melbourne were described as suburbs thereof. Even if the A.B.S. declares these places as suburbs of Melbourne for statistical purposes, some other authorities do not and I think common sense would follow the latter interpretation. How can somewhere like Mooroduc, which is just farm land and does not have anything that even resembles a small town let alone a suburb, be described in such a way. In the case of places located further down the peninsula, they are further away from the C.B.D. than Geelong or Ballarat. I truly think that it would be better to follow a more logical interpretation.

Hayden5650 IPs
Hi! It seems that this user you blocked before uses the IP 202.124.103.146 to vote again at Talk:Romani_people. Is there a possibility to verify, to prove if this is one of the IPs used by this user? By asking a bureaucrat? Since is breaching the block and also is voting more times. Thank you, Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 07:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Now another Aukland IP 222.155.180.100 voting again there. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 08:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In the meantime I made a Requests for checkuser/Case/Hayden5650 (I'm not sure if this is the way to deal with this case). Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 09:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the advice. Now, let's wait for the outcome. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 20:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)



A small token of my appreciation, just to say thanks (najis tuke in Romani) --Kuaichik 00:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Finally...
'' - let me know any you think I should upload, and roughly speaking what name. Most of them (5297-5303) are taken on the grounds at ECU Joondalup. Also got the Wabling Hill mallee article from Battye couple of days ago, been totally swamped elsewhere though so will have a go at it at the weekend. Orderinchaos 21:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 5303 is a Grevillea.
 * I'm 80% sure 5302 and 5301 are Banksia prionotes in late flower, and 5300 is the same in early flower.


 * 5299 is Banksia menziesii, and 5298 is a small inflorescence of B. menziesii in early bud. (You nearly got me on 5298 - it looks a bit like B. coccinea)
 * agree. cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 02:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * 5297 might be Banksia ashbyi.
 * yes. cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 02:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * 5269 is Corymbia ficifolia
 * ..or a hybrid. "Summer beauty"?cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 02:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * 4949 might be Banksia littoralis
 * Yeah, either that or seminuda. I'm not very good on these ones. Need to check leaves in book at home.cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 02:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll ask Cas for a second opinion. Happy to take them all... which reminds me I need to sort out the great mess in Commons:Category:Banksia. ;-) Hesperian 00:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 5303 appears to be Grevillea 'Honey Gem' (nice shot) --Melburnian 01:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * agree. cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 02:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Uploaded:
 * Image:Corymbia ficifolia OIC in flower.jpg (5269)
 * Image:Banksia ashbyi OIC.jpg (5297)
 * Image:Banksia menziesii OIC early bud.jpg (5298)
 * Image:Banksia menziesii OIC Joondalup.jpg (5299)
 * Image:Banksia prionotes OIC early flower.jpg (5300)
 * Image:Banksia prionotes OIC late flower 1.jpg (5301)
 * Image:Banksia prionotes OIC late flower 2.jpg (5302)
 * Image:Grevillea_Honey_Gem_ECU.jpg (5303) Orderinchaos 09:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think all the newer ones are menziesii and littoralis as well, - if 5340 is from the same plant as 5338 & 5339 then its menziesii as well. Am no good at WA eucs or hibbertias :( cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 12:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

userpage
congrats on the great new look. WikiTownsvillian 11:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks kewl, well done Boylo 12:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * real stylish SatuSuro 12:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Newspaper Undeletion Request
On the 20th of May, you deleted the Northern District Times article. I have several references linked to this paper, as it is helpful for local news issues in the North West area of Sydney. This is a notable local paper in Sydney, and I would like the article undeleted or userfied please. The fact you didn't put these through AFD is really disappointing, let alone the fact that you didn't even consult anyone who comes from Sydney (I've checked your edits to make sure)- if you wanted sources they could have been provided, but you didn't even ask. I expect better from you as a moderator. I'm going to leave a message at AWNB on this - the mass deletion is not good and should be addressed. JRG 00:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What I don't like is the fact that you assert that it's automatically not notable and just delete it straight off. You don't live in Sydney and probably have no idea about the notability. Some of those papers aren't notable, but there are a few with quite large readership which are very well known in Sydney like the North Shore Times, Manly Daily, Inner-West Weekly, Northern District Times, and a few others. I understand that you have the right to do that because the article had no sources, which is fair enough, I don't think it's good protocol to just go ahead and delete the articles on your own opinion without at least asking WikiProject Sydney people what they think first; and as a moderator I think you should know better than that. JRG 01:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't be rude to me. It doesn't matter whether you are well-travelled or not - all I am asking for is some consultation, which hasn't happened in this case. By all means delete spam and pure advertising articles, but as I was probably one of the only editors on that article, the least you could have done was ask me or put it on an AfD. That's all I'm asking for, consultation. JRG 02:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok - fair enough, I take your point about backlog; and sorry for suggesting that you were being rude. I won't be putting up a notice on AWNB now. JRG 02:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I still think Thewinchester is being very uncivil in nominating so soon after I created the article. The fact that he did so with no request, or anything to me, nor even looking to see that I was the only editor, I take personally as that in some way he doesn't like my editing. I hope you can see my point in some way or other, even if I am taking it too personally. My aim was to provide a sourced article on the newspaper; and I was looking for some more sources - it's very hard to narrow down Factiva searches to searches *about* newspapers, as it includes all the articles by the newspaper which can't count as reliable sources; when this gets deleted I'll have to start from scratch again. This is the thing I often hate about Wikipedia - everyone wants to do their own thing and never want to discuss things before going ahead and doing them. It's not fair. JRG 05:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to take any further part in the AfD debate. Thank you for your help this morning, but attitudes towards me have turned me off editing WP for a while. It seems every now and again I get treated badly, and I'm really sick of it. I hope you can understand. JRG 06:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries - I do look forward to seeing you around again soon - I have a lot of respect for you as an editor, even if we occasionally disagree. Orderinchaos 06:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I appreciate it. I'll be back in a while. JRG 06:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Re grouping em together

 * All of that energy expended - which is why if anyone tries that on Pilbara newspapers they have a dogs... SatuSuro 06:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Which Is what I thought I saw you try at the end of the afd - I wouldnt have a hope with the pilbara ones if they tried to stand alone - as it is there is still a lot of work on that stub - I really think thats actually a wp australia wide issue that might go to the noticeboard regarding regional groups of newspapers of otherwsise very vulnerable stubs - watch think? SatuSuro 06:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I would interested in your opinion of the pilbara one - I was thinking of making a table of the distribs of the various papers whatcha think?SatuSuro 06:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeahbut
Restoring might cause aggravation - I would support the style in moons sub page test layout - no red links poss - but with bells and whistles and some text as said at moons - would be very reluctant to see a simple restore - simply not on imho SatuSuro 07:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * edit conflicts - cripes we wander the same places sometimes - oh well no harm in getting warned more than once for that stuff :| SatuSuro 14:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * could you possibly go to chat?SatuSuro 05:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

You alive?
Your contribs say you've recently been editing, so is there anyone out there to help with a small issue? Grab me on msn. Thewinchester (talk) 01:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

articles for deletion
Hi Orderinchaos, do you think it would be appropriate for me to add  " Not notable enough to have sufficient neutral references from which to source information to make an article, suggest moving current content to another wiki (eg. Australia wiki) "   to the following pages:
 * Grassroots Left
 * Australian Liberal Students' Federation
 * Independents (Australian NUS faction)
 * National Labor Students
 * National Liaison Committee
 * Socialist Alternative (Australia)
 * Student Unity
 * Australian Labor Students
 * Left Alliance (Australia)
 * Love and Rage (Australia)
 * National Broad Left
 * National Organisation of Labor Students
 * Non-Aligned Left
 * Small + Regionals

? Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 12:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the speedy reply, I will do so now and see what comes of it, hope I don't get attacked by too many people all at once ;) WikiTownsvillian 12:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

"Mixed Ancestry" Deletion
Wow, I never knew you couldn't delete the category if you discussed whether or not it should be deleted! Thanks for letting me know, and thank goodness I waited for a reply before doing anything!! --Kuaichik 23:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: My RfA
Hi Orderinchaos, that's a great idea. I will evaluate why I was opposed and try to gather more information. It's a shame many people don't realize that a failed RfA is a success in other ways. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 00:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Break a leg
Or whatever for the exam - best of luck :0 if you need it SatuSuro 12:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Kfc - KFC
Thank you for fixing up page move vandalism on KFC. I appreciate that. --Blake3522 12:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yep, he's still editing
I wonder how Hayden5650 evaded your block and is now editing using the same username?? --Kuaichik 21:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick reply! Do you think he should be given an indefinite block? Or is that too Draconian? Without an indefinite block, I doubt that he will stop editing. --Kuaichik 21:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Gawd where have I heard that before :) the peppie grove one i gave a blatant SatuSuro 13:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

D-A
Not before time, must tell you and show you all the associations with that one, cheers SatuSuro 00:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I wish we could deal with issue mentioned above your message on my talk with as quick and effective closure :( sigh SatuSuro 00:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies oh 650, I hadnt gone through all of our torrid histories so to speak 423 speaking :) SatuSuro 09:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Cripes good reason to get awb - almost all those nsw and vic country rail stations have no project tags :) SatuSuro 03:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Plantagenet Shire
Not sure how to fix this in the info box, but Plantagenet has a Shire President, not a Mayor.

I can see what you mean now
Have just logged on to see what you were talking about, and it all makes perfect sense now. Sometimes wiki concepts can be explained via voice, other times you have to see it to understand it. Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 07:10, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Schoolcruftivisim
Aargh!!! Check out my contribs list, i've been tearing my hair out all morning by another Steve Stefan induced round of school sports cruft. It's at the point where i've had to break it down for him very clearly so he actually understands just how annoying this is becoming. Worse still, it's all with content which passed AfD, and it's the same actions we warned him about during the AfD process. Thewinchester (talk) 00:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

AFD
Thanks for your help, How come it does not appear on the "Candidates for Deletion" at WP:AWNB thou? ExtraDry 10:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Stub
I have decided to do a timeline for the Pilbara - it gets so damned confusing with the different mines, railways, etc - so would appreciate any comment about my stub - or any suggestions as well - cheers (I will be going back as well - have the Marble Bar railway and a few others to insert for earlier years) trust all is well SatuSuro 10:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

your PROD on Michael Guy Chislett
Hey there, I've contested your PROD on Michael Guy Chislett, as he's belonged to four notable bands, so my rationale is that he technically meets criterion 6 of WP:MUSIC. Feel free to take it to AfD if you wish. Have a nice day, - Zeibura (Talk) 11:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Pete
Hi Orderinchaos, could you please check out Pete for three revert rule and personal attack violations at Children Overboard Affair this user is a constant protagonist who messes with people for his own amusement. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 02:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Check both of us, please. I also regard Alec's description above as a personal attack, one of many aimed directly at me. This sort of poison has got to stop. --Pete 02:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Add in a fresh attack. --Pete 03:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Perth Meetup Notification

 * You are invited to a meetup of Western Australian Wikipedians on the 19th August 2007 in the tearooms of Tranby House. Please sign on the Meetup/Perth/3 if you are able to attend. you recieved this message as your account has been active during May, June 2007 and your user page is listed in the Category:Wikipedians in Western Australia Gnangarra 03:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)