User talk:Orderinchaos/Archive 2006

Archive 0 : 2006

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I find it strange that the red carpet hasn't been rolled out and the welcome wagon come to pay you a visit - so here goes!

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Wikismile and Para Hills
I am very impressed with your work on this article, you've made it genuinely encyclopaedic. Orderinchaos78


 * Thank you. You've brightened my day - Cudlee creek is going well too!. Long way to go with Para Hills article yet so I really should make a talk-page to-do list - Peripitus (Talk) 08:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

soulseek
Hiya. Ive just created a new (and better, imo) userbox for soulseek and i thought is share it. you can look at it here. this new box allows you to share your soulseek username in the box itself. also, it adds your userpage to a category called "soulseek users". if you dont like the box but you want to be in the catergory just add. anyhoo, just thought id let you know. -(chubbstar) — talk

Reply
No problem! :) &mdash; Khoikhoi 21:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

West Australian
(*) Your points are very valid, its a mess and has been for ages.SatuSuro 14:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also with vandalism, when they bite back or repeat like the Perth Convention Centre this morning, its worth knowing some admins to get em to sic em SatuSuro 05:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

hey
Hey,

Good work with Infobox Town AU, good idea. I cleaned it up a bit, hope you dont mind :)

--TheJosh 14:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, In your WA work, you should start trying  because then it will show as a link rather than as just text. --TheJosh 06:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

What do you think of my proposed changes for Infobox Town AU? I'm trying to work out how to do tabs without using javascript...tricky tricky... --TheJosh 08:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I would like to add more fields but i dont know what. Also, we should continue this discussion at Infobox Town AU

DYK nomination
Hello, I would like to nominate Hamel, Western Australia, an article you wrote, to the "Did you know?" section on the main page. Could you please include a picture in the article? Thanks. Michaelas10 (T|C) 18:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It eventually did get a DYK spot. Congrats! Michaelas10 (T|C) 22:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys! :) Orderinchaos78 (t 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting Merge
Hey, You may be interested in the merge that is being discussed at Template talk:Infobox Australian Town...TheJosh 23:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

You might like to know
That your persistent and tireless energy in working on country towns in wa hasnt gone un-noticed. Some editors give others 'barnstars', however....



Well done SatuSuro 03:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated. (For future reference - how does one give them out?) Orderinchaos78 03:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Check this page out - Barnstars, personally its just a bit too that place - cultural hegemony for me (as In Radio Peking in the 1970's used to talk about A... Cultural Imperialism) I think that someone should invent an australian Black Stump award, or a Stubby award or for some of the places we know - the "lake disappointment dingo pelt of the century award", perhaps "whim creek perpetual trophy for left hand corners", maybe the "Hamelin Bay Jetty Wind Shear perpetual trophy" or the "Bluff Knoll backwards climb blindfolded perpetual trophy", "the cocklebiddy kite flying club's prize" - cripes I once got a pewter mug from the "Queenstown (Tasmania) Amateur Dramatic Society" I mean anythings possible - but I dunno, I think the jury's probably all gone to lunch on those ones.... SatuSuro 05:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Long after I wrote this I realised it could be very easily misunderstood - my apologies - it wasnt meant to demean the hard work that youve done - something else. SatuSuro 12:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

userbox suggestion
can i suggest you use because you understand ParserFunctions TheJosh 06:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Template Infobox Australian Place Bot
Hey, Dont worry about altering fields for templates to be made obselete, the bot can manage all of that, if we make one. --TheJosh 07:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The best thing to do would to get those yucky ones into a template of some description, but dont worry about the perth ones, i can just make a conversion rule for it and volia! Our edit rate would be about 1 per 30-60 secs to that would take like 15mins vs an hour or 2 to do manually...

Wooran, New South Wales
I saw where you prodded the article. What, exactly, is a "homestead" in Australia? Is it basically some guy's house in the middle of nowhere? Is it like a small town?  young  american (ahoy hoy) 23:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I learn something new everyday. Thanks.  young  american  (ahoy hoy) 03:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Albert Facey
Noticed that you did something on him - did you klnow one of the two Mundaring shire libraries was named after him as well? SatuSuro 12:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Also a bit of a long shot - the locality might have been named after the family that ross mclarty (1950's premier) married into: -

henrietta (ie liswa) edited entry - The Herron family : a history / compiled by Ronald Richards. Published	 Coolup, W.A. : W.R. McLarty ... [et al.] for Herron family descendants, 1998. Descript'n	 vi, 73 p. : ill., geneal. tables, maps, ports. ; 24 cm. ISBN 0646368087 Note	 Bibliography: p. 69-73. Subject	Pioneers -- Western Australia -- Murray Region. Western Australia -- Genealogy. Added author	Richards, Ronald, 1944- McLarty, W. R.

just a suggestion SatuSuro 13:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah the lack of info about that locality is a bit puzzling! Thanks for the ref - I'll be at the Battye tomorrow so I might check that one out. And nice to see someone's checking up on my work :D Orderinchaos78 15:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Gawks you've found one of my oldest big articles to improve which needs heaps (Darling Scarp) - the range regio9nal park shows up on signs around here in the hills - but when I had communcns with the person in calm now dec some years ago - it was all nebulous and maybe was going to have a collective name of regional park with the component parks with new names - poetentially very confusing. The Tassie equivalent that I have been working on - west coast range is at least a bit more advanced - but both needs lots of work. sigh SatuSuro 23:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah I know! CALM's own site is pretty ambiguous about the park as it is now. I live in the leafy (!?) northern suburbs so I don't get to see much of that side of town. Was just looking up Ensign Dale for the Beverley article and hit that one and Mount Dale, and made minor fixes to both. :) Oh and re prev message (thought I had replied!) - no offence was taken, although I wasn't entirely sure what you meant at first! hehe have a good one. Orderinchaos78 00:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Captains Flat edits
I assume just a copy and paste error but this town is hardly in WA! Need to updateinfor box to Palerang. Are you aware of the infobox discussion at Template talk:Infobox Australian Place - there has been to date no agreed standard?--Golden Wattle talk 22:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the kind words. I have followed a little of the discussion on the new infobox and knew it wasn't far away. I have stopped adding infoboxes to all but towns that are LGAs until the new format was finished and ready for use. Thanks again Mattinbgn 09:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Curtin U in Victoria Park
G'day Orderinchaos78. W/respect to your edit of Curtin University, changing the location, which I have reverted. This argument is old, see at User talk:GordonE/Controversies, the first discussion on the page. I won't recap it here, suffice to say that the same reasoning applies to quite a lot of "Perth" institutions/landmarks which I placed in their proper homes in the pursuit of encyclopedic precision and accuracy. Please respond here, on your Talk page. Gordon | Talk, 1November 2006 @13:42 UTC
 * Just had a look at aforementioned page - with respect, I think the main people reading this are more likely to be people who don't know a lot about Western Australia, or Curtin University, and LGA names really don't mean much to someone from, say, the US or Malaysia, or even Sydney. However, everyone knows Perth. I believe that to say it's a "suburb of Victoria Park" doesn't really make much sense - for one thing, Bentley is nearly entirely in the City of Canning, and historically TVP was the City of Perth until 1995. Also, the infobox clearly reads "city", which Victoria Park is not by definition. I would say even Wanneroo or Joondalup is an "outer suburb of Perth", and Bentley is barely a 10 minute drive from the CBD (for the record, I used to work at Curtin.) Orderinchaos78 13:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Quote: "We need to remember those people who have no knowledge of Australia except that it has Sydney, Melbourne and kangaroos -- some of whom may not have heard about Melbourne..." I see no reason why we should not add to their knowledge of Australia.  About the info-box -- I missed the "City" bit, somewhere.  Perhaps I didn't lift something up  :(  And the fact that Benley does indeed lie mostly in Canning doesn't remove the geographical fact that Curtin U lies entirely within Vic Park.  At the end of the day we need to answer (for ourselves) what we want in a universally accessible encyclopedia -- precision and accuracy or perpetuation of fuzziness?  It's a bit like the old myth of the "Holden FX" -- there are still people who swear blind that it existed, but have never heard of the "Series 48/215"... Gordon | Talk, 1 November 2006 @14:34 UTC


 * Precision is vital, especially for a snapshot view (i.e. the infobox). It now says "Bentley, a suburb of Victoria Park" - when it is, with the sole exception of Curtin itself, a suburb of Canning. In order for something to be "a suburb of" something else, it would, I would think as a minimum requirement, need to be located entirely within it and in some way dependent on it - the concept of a suburb is that it pertains to its parent city (or town). Bentley does not in any way pertain to Victoria Park, it is closer to Cannington and is serviced broadly speaking by Perth. When I ran for Victoria Park (the seat), Curtin wasn't even within it - it's entirely in South Perth. One of the WAEC's key considerations in naming and grouping electorates is grouping like for like where possible. Also, I don't see why knowing which group of councillors vote and make decisions for an area which happens to include Curtin University (which, I might note, can't even vote for said councillors) really adds to anyone's knowledge of Australia, especially given Curtin is operated by an act of State parliament with State and Federal funding and is accountable only to those bodies. Orderinchaos78 (t 14:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * In some ways I agree with you: we have an unbelievable piece of petty-political immorality which allows localities to be shared between LGA's. However, I wouldn't bring the WAEC -- or even the AEC -- into the discussion, since we are talking only about Local Government, even though that is supervised (OK, OK...) by the State Government.  The logical end of your argument is that Perth should be considered a shared suburb of Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra (not necessarily in that order) since Perth is serviced "broadly speaking" by those cities.  As I said, "I live in Perth, so send my mail to Blinco Street, Fremantle."  Gordon | Talk, 3 November 2006 @15:24 UTC


 * By stretching any argument to its bizarre extreme one can obtain an odd result. Where would Mandurah, or Clarkson for that matter, be if Perth did not provide employment, electricity, water, health services and an effective road system to them? They'd be at nearly 100% unemployment and shipping out of there, back to the days when Quinns Rocks and Mandurah were sleepy fishing villages of about 300 people. (That time wasn't that long ago, either.) What is true for Mandurah, however, does not work for Bullsbrook, only 38km from the CBD. That is where I feel the difference between suburb entity and town/village entity really starts to emerge. Victoria Park, just 3km from the CBD, is clearly a suburb. Curtin University is clearly in a suburb of Perth, since it needs Perth's public transport system and Perth's road network to bring students to them. Local government has almost nothing to do with that - and as I mentioned, especially not in the case of Curtin University where it's all but sitting on crown land ruled by its own Act of State Parliament. In fact, Curtin's post office box for all inbound correspondence is - guess where - Perth. My case rests. Orderinchaos78 (t 15:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

LGA template
Local Government Areas of Perth as your playing with LGA articles can you check this template links to the right article Gnangarra 08:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Route shields
Hey :) Excellent work re the route shields btw! Was wondering if you could please make two for roads I am doing atm - 250 and 260? No rush or anything, they can be added whenever. Thanks Orderinchaos78 14:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm very busy right now, but in a couple of weeks I should be able to do it. Won't take long :) ~ Trisreed my talk my contribs 10:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * : No worries :) I'm buried under an avalanche of forgettable towns in the Wheatbelt as we speak anyway. :P Orderinchaos78 19:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

WATown
I made it ages ago, before we had standard templates. It was obviously redundant now, so I have deleted it. Hesperian 05:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Shire of Christmas Island
Thanks for your work on the article. However, I'm not sure it is entirely accurate. While some services in Christmas Island are provided for by the government of Western Australia, it is not itself, nor is the Shire, considered part of Western Australia. To have it state that so prominently at the top of the infobox is a serious problem. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 15:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Villain Award


Hey your work is so thorough and relentless - the totally out of whack SatuSuro challenging the geographically challenged award is lumbered on his talk page SatuSuro 07:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the award :) I'm gradually trying to convert all the WA LGAs across, and have sort of self-imposed a minimum standard where every one has a completed infobox and a format - using Shire of Wandering as a base. Where more info is already available in the prose I've kept it in the introductory section. (As you can see I got my fingers burnt on the two offshore ones though :P got a bit ahead of myself) Orderinchaos78 10:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Wanneroo
Wanneroo, Western Australia now moved over the top of City of Wanneroo. Hesperian 00:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Welcome. What does "oic" mean? Hesperian 00:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Carry on. Hesperian 00:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Indigenous Australians
Thank you for posting a suitable response to the KW mention. I couldn't think of anything meaningful to say in response to seeing a polemist being referred as a "good read". :P Orderinchaos78 14:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've blanked it all anyway after finding where those quotes come from. As I said on the talk page, I think it's safe to simply remove further comments if they cannot provide anything beyond that material. I don't like to completely dismiss users, but they've shown an unwillingness to engage in a discussion about the reliability of sources and simply continue to post more of the same material. --bainer (talk) 14:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Swanbourne
The voting practices need a ref/ and there is no longer a state primary school.... SatuSuro 15:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries, will be fixing shortly. I was trying to get all the western suburbs ones up to a sort of minimum stub level - I'm hoping to head towards a reduced version of what's at Duncraig, Western Australia with the politics sections. Orderinchaos78 15:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No problems i have hundreds of arts to go back and fix up so i shouldnt cast anything not even a limp nasturtion towards anyone else! SatuSuro 15:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * WOW! if you did that for every bloody suburb, gawks! I'd have to find a superbad villain award for that! SatuSuro 15:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * As a matter of sheer curiosity and freakishness, take a gander at Winthrop, Western Australia. That has got to be one of the most bizarre wiki's I've seen for a while. :| Must admit I got a good laugh at the, um, attention to detail. Orderinchaos78 16:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Winthrop art - too slick for comfort - there is real rubbish in the berlin wall bit - it needs to come out! SatuSuro 01:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My thinking too. I just hope we don't end up with a revert war with the person who created the article, although he does seem to be away long-term, at least. Orderinchaos78 05:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Easy - cull the slick crap - and notify Moondyne and Hesperian that we have a dagg on our hands - any nonsense - they can get im on the toes! SatuSuro 05:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW thanks for ccleaning up the mundarring mess -a blot on my landsccape it was SatuSuro 08:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC) Gawks youre getting close to home - some of my oldesst edits and close to my hinterland of fourty years plus! SatuSuro 08:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha... it's a long way from my urban prowling zone in the northern suburbs... :) I'm not doing too much with the articles over there, just really standardising the basic format so the infobox is there and the header and footer provide the necessary links and info. As for Mundaring, yeah, I eventually figured out that one. The reason for all the editing is actually to get the local councils disambiguated, and I keep getting distracted by little rabbit trails, as one does. Orderinchaos78 08:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Indigenous Australians
How do you feel about moving this to Indigenous peoples of Australia? For one thing that's the name of the category the article is in. It also looks like the article discusses a collection of different peoples, so I think this title would be more appropriate. Let me know. Zarbat 05:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your proposal re IpoA eems reasonable to me. Native Americans (a disambig page) seems to be the US equivalent to our Indigenous Australians, and lists alternatives such as the above. Note Canada has "Aboriginal peoples of Canada" but because none actually have the ascribed name "Aboriginal" as ours do, it *is* a generic there. Indigenous peoples of Europe also appears to work although is a very short article. Orderinchaos78 05:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

the great premier sock show
hi, i've reverted him again at talk:a_t & on the main page (am i allowed to do that?) with the sock thing, wld it be best just to leave it unless we have further evidence of sock to add? i'm newish here, cld it make us look like we're pursuing a vendetta? ben → bsnowball 08:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I would recommend User:Moondyne or User:Hesperian as they are in our time zone - or the easties User:Rebecca or User:Longhair - they are all good mature admins who know what to do - trust all is well otherwise. I woudnt revert - let them sort it out! SatuSuro 12:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Good advice, and thanks! Orderinchaos78 (t 12:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * perhaps we shld leave the talk page for now, except when its stuff from the hate site? also there's another, short, installment on the sock case (which has my whole-hearted agreement:) → bsnowball  13:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * thx for the advice. this quite poss. correct. it just looked very weird w/out explanation. suppose this was not provided cos of the 'bombast'. thx again &rArr; bsnowball  15:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * thx, tho so far inocuous & not been used since. possibly won't be as it's died down (w/ i'm certainly not complaining about:) ps cld u pls use or is there a simpler way to get contribs than cutting and pasting that i'm missing? &rArr;  bsnowball  14:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Silly technical question
I've noticed you've piped specific municipalities into a couple of cats, eg: "Category:Local Government Areas of Perth|Victoria Park". Er, what does this do? I've clicked on them, but nothing different seems to happen. Is there an incantation I've missed? Gordon | Talk, 05:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Entirely about sort order eg in Category:Local Government Areas of Perth for instance. One of those areas where Wikipedia is a bit messy I think... Orderinchaos78 08:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thrip, Throp, Thrap
Win - let it be a lesson to us all SatuSuro 09:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

(for those reading my talk page and thinking "huh?", read the history of Winthrop, Western Australia prior to edits on 14 Nov. Sad, sad little article.)

Northam
Combination was in the government ads in yesterdays newspaper SatuSuro 08:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC) I think we've covered albany and northam to date - I think the others ( I am sure there were) are all lost in the blur - tassie train/javanese temple/flinders bay railway haze of my multiple foci SatuSuro 08:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ta muchly for the tipoff! Now incorporated in both relevant articles. Orderinchaos78 08:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Cockburn, South Australia
When in douubt - anything southaustralian - ScottDavis is your person - and an harassed admin to boot SatuSuro 13:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Might do that. It was a rabbit trail to begin with - I was disambiguating Cockburn and found that article so did some work on it (kind of like how Mindarie, South Australia came into being...) Orderinchaos78 14:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Quick one re sockpuppet/POV character
My intention was to make one good faith attempt to remove the material and re-educate this user, and then, if the user insisted on reposting the material without consensus, move immediately to consideration of blocks and/or page protection. But subsequent events have made me a party to the dispute. If I were to take action now, it would give the impression that I was using my admin tools to gain the upper hand in a dispute, which is forbidden. We'll have to ask someone else to take this on. I'll have a think about how to proceed. My apologies for achieving less than nothing. Hesperian 22:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's OK - I understood exactly what you were trying to do when I saw your first intervention the other night, and was quite impressed with your efforts to engage Premier. Unfortunately I think it was contingent on other parties to leave you to do your job in peace, and emotions had run so high already that that was never going to happen. Gotta love WikiDisputes :) Best of luck with it. Orderinchaos78 22:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it would have helped my ability to stay more neutral on this if these guys weren't so obviously CEC/One Nation wingnuts. I've had more than a few try and recruit me over the years. Orderinchaos78 00:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My two cents: He could be a Nazi for all I care, so long as his point of view wasn't coming out in his contributions. And his point of view coming out in his contributions would still be unacceptable if he was a central moderate small-l liberal. Hesperian 01:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * True - that's why I accepted that there should be *a* mention of cannibalism in the article, as it definitely was on the minds of a lot of writers about Aboriginals in the earlier half of last century, but that it should be an appropriately researched, balanced and NPOV one. If this thing isn't bigger than its editors (and their politics), it's really not worth anything more than their opinions (the quote about arseholes comes to mind :)). My comment btw related more to the talk page edits today, rather than the actual edits to the article. Orderinchaos78 01:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well said. Hesperian 01:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Daisy bates
Her claims dont carry any weight as it refutted at the time as sensationalism to ensure the sale of her book, she was a known fabricator of yarns especially about herself with claims of various ancestry and education. Gnangarra 00:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Albany
Hi I think the latest edits look like fraud to me, you any good on local knowledge? SatuSuro 02:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that... The randomness of Wikipedians never ceases to amaze me. :P And yes, I can only imagine. I once managed to read the entire talk page for Northern Ireland (my birthplace)... oh, what fun that was. What I call "word value politics" cranked to high gear. Orderinchaos78 02:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And as for IA and C - it'd be a hell of an article to try - buit there's a good anthropologically based art in the 'use of identyifying behaviours' to push certain agendas - it'd probably have to be protected from minute one and it would attract the bs like flies to dead meat! SatuSuro 02:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that - I was v impressed the way you and gn fared in last nights issues, barnstars all around! SatuSuro 02:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment - much appreciated! And yeah, I've moderated/admined on web forums and IRC channels full of excitable teenagers for years, so I got my practice :P Orderinchaos78 02:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Problem its still going :(  am sure it needs to go higher than just Adam reverting - it needs - a wp page for the outright harrassment! SatuSuro 11:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Poetic Justice
Poetic Justice - see my edit in Wagin - and response to a revert! SatuSuro 12:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC) No sense of humour! Oh well thems the breaks SatuSuro
 * You're handling him well :) Orderinchaos78 12:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll think I'll try for VP after that - it looks like a potentially dangerous weapon - a bit like popups on steroids! SatuSuro 12:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Exterminate!! Exterminate!! Orderinchaos78 12:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, look at the contributions page of anyone who uses it - and see the potential number of harrassed real villains in any one day - it makes our mate at IA look like a pimple compared to the rash! SatuSuro 12:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Mt Henry/ Aquinus College
Hi, I think there are two students who may be being assessed by the efforts with these two articles can you tread softly with them, if there is a major concern can you just drop a note on the talk page so that I/we can wlak them through the issues. Thanks Gnangarra 13:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah no worries. I put the bit on the talk page in an effort to educate them how to do cites/refs properly - it took me a while to get it right and I'm happy to help them on that front (which will also have the effect of producing a better article) If you think I should edit my comments to tone them down a bit I'd be happy to. Orderinchaos78 (t 14:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that maybe the use of tags within the article is whats upsetting them, maybe just put suggestions in the talk pages, anyhow it after 2030 here so they'll finished for the night. I saw that, and I'm sure a number of editors enjoy a quiet laugh. Gnangarra 14:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Started arts
New articles (Australia) - you start stub, you put here too - good stuff! SatuSuro 23:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) (I feel like I've been let into some inner sanctum!) The unexpectedly rapid launch of the new Place template has been keeping me busy. Orderinchaos78 23:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If we keep up with it -the sheer volume and productivity from wa - it will certainly show the need for a new admin from wa IMHO !!  :)   SatuSuro 06:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Jane Brook, Western Australia ... oh dear. :) Love the "middle class" bit. As I said, the randomness of some of our newer Wikipedians never ceases to amuse me. Orderinchaos78 06:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * As for JB - it needs a massive re-write, dont lert me near it or my rottweiler sensitivity (my father was a vet surgeon) will maul the newbie article beyond recognition... heheh SatuSuro 06:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok next - WP:DYK find something in your newly created article that can follow the guidelines and get it in - Moondyne is our local world record challenger - search around his page and have a look... :)  SatuSuro 06:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)  Oops best to tryPortal:Australia/Did you know first - linked with the text on the new art page. SatuSuro 06:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Reviewing swanbourne - there's a latent but not started idea of the permanent and seaonsal lakes of the Swan Coastal Plain ( I once had a friend who did his msc on the wanneroo lakes - havent seen him for years) - so thingos like the much reduced Lake Claremont (what an abomination compared to when me and my mum used to fill up old glass jars full of the creatures there) oops too much personal stuff on talk pages again!SatuSuro 12:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, thanks. When this was all over I was thinking of making a barnstar for infoboxes, and give it to some people. Of course, the barnstar would itself be an infobox (and probs use ParserFunctions)

Hopefully I dont get fried for non-proper use of a bot though... TheJosh 00:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Perth
Thanks for the info. I reckoned it must have been something like that, but I don't like messing around with templates and anyway they looked ok to me ! To be honest, even as someone who lived near the other Perth, it seems odd not to make Perth a redirect to Perth, Western Australia. It seems a racing cert that a random mention of "Perth" doesn't mean the one in Scotland. Cheers ! Angus McLellan (Talk) 09:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Port Biggest and Bestest
Thanks for your help there - its looking better! I am hoping to do a pilbara railways article sometime - which is why i brought the space in the upper section - as I am thinking of putting 'transport hub' as a lead in to the subjecct - apart from the other 33 loose ends :) SatuSuro 12:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I can't believe my NPOV edits earlier lasted barely a few days! My fault for not "watching" it - when I went through and did the infobox I added them all to the watchlist so hopefully this sort of thing will happen less often :P There seems to be this sort of rivalry between Broome, Port Hedland and Karratha where all of them feel they're the biggest in the north. Orderinchaos78 12:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * my apologies -(apart from the 1970 hitch to ph and being stuck in marble b for a week on the return trip) I came into the area wiki wise  via my father in law - he had been shearer and had been on the ph to mb rlwy  line - so i did the art on that... hadnt been watching the regional rivalries - oh well - bit like launceton west coast and hobart by the sounds of it. SatuSuro 12:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Or the dreaded NOR vs SOR :) I have in some articles spotted a slight SOR bias (I get to be on both sides as I live north but have worked or studied south for most of my life) Orderinchaos78 12:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Think P Kennedy might need watching...SatuSuro 03:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

OI! gently gently! SatuSuro 03:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It was a direct paste of an outside website :) Orderinchaos78 (t 03:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough! SatuSuro 03:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * For a sense of where my head was this am - hesp and moon's talk p's might give you a good idea. Australind? SatuSuro 03:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Australind's a lovely place, I was there not 5 weeks ago ... and hard morning hey? :) Orderinchaos78 (t 03:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Never -its all the fun fun! I would say your alerting us (as hesperian and moondyne will be watching in trepidation on my talk page after their messages this am - you could put it there - or you can create a separate sandbox page for yourself and store it in a 'todo' (like my bleauch page - the sins of the past never relinquished yet!) - is one way to do it!  Actually the goading on by hesperian and moondyne means that the aust maritime thingy might be bursting out any day now - gawd if i didnt have enough to finialise enough before I go! SatuSuro 03:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh well after that leave it on my talk and gn will check it out! SatuSuro 03:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome historical coverage of the area, I'll writing for days, Gnangarra 04:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Watermans Bay - isnt it also known locally as 'Watermans?' - possibly need it inSatuSuro 07:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Was known for 40 years as "Waterman" officially but I've heard all three versions of the name in common usage (I live not far from there) Orderinchaos78 08:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Draft WA article - "Govt. Architect"
Noticed your name on WA articles and at the Perth project and thought I would advise you, if interested, of this draft at my user subpage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred.e/George_Temple_Poole.


 * Now an page. Fred.e 17:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Red Bull Air Race pic
Just thought I'd say your photo was really good! Thanks for contributing that. Orderinchaos78 01:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Which image? Also, I am thinking about setting up a WikiProject about the Red Bull Air Race. Would you be interested if I created it?-- HamedogTalk|@ 05:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This one. I'd love to, but I really don't know that much about it so I don't know how much use I'd be! Orderinchaos78 05:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool, I don't know much either but I guess the information is out there - systematic bias says so anyway. Cheers for thinking my image was good. You might wanna have a look at my flickr to see if any others are suitable. flickr-- HamedogTalk|@ 06:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Created. WikiProject Red Bull Air Race World Series-- HamedogTalk|@ 12:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Please join!-- HamedogTalk|@ 14:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Whitfords
I think there's a need for this to be a good eg of what happens when the land developers try naming a place one thing befoire going to the geographic names (precursors nomenclature advisory board - lovely name) and the government call it another thing - are you up on that at all? SatuSuro 06:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Even worse - ones that never come to be. Check the Duncraig, Western Australia article for info about "Marmion City", which is now a residential estate in Beach Road and Chessell Drive, Duncraig (and previously a Thiess mining lease!) Oh, and Brighton. :D Orderinchaos78 06:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * well we need to find something that we can cf the developer vs the geographic names resolution.... I have just mucked around with wesfarmers and adelaide terrace you might want to have a look at raw stubs :) SatuSuro 06:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry for slow replies, am recovering from my own stupidity (I walked from Yanchep to Butler yesterday and while my muscles are fine, my legs got badly sunburnt and are suddenly quite stiff and inflexible : I'll be in the city tomorrow and already have two things (Moondyne's very valid question about the low count of Aboriginals in an 1837 census, plus a couple of newspaper refs) to check at Battye so may look then. Orderinchaos78

Population counts
(Re: Bentley) Very good point you make. I got it from a single source in the Battye Library (Geoff Gallop's book on Vic Park suburbs), and I've seen a similarly ridiculously low count for the northern suburbs Mooro people (Geoffrey Bolton makes a mention of it in his Claremont book while at the same time saying Jane Currie's contemporaneous diary quoting 40 on Matilda Bay alone contradicts it). Will definitely look into this tomorrow as it seems blatantly silly to have unanswered points on there. Orderinchaos78 11:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm sure greater minds than mine will prove me wrong but on the face of it it doesn't make much sense to me.  &mdash; Moondyne 12:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My guess is that it probably *is* wrong but more an indication of the failure of whatever census methods they had for Aboriginals in 1837 than anything else. :) Orderinchaos78 12:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Harvey, Western Australia
I just stumbled on this and was very impressed. Good work. &mdash; Moondyne 05:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Orderinchaos78 06:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Fisherman's Bend
Thanks for you contribution of the Fisherman's Bend article. I have had to, however, redirect it to the Port Melbourne, Victoria article and move across the content (minus the infobox). The reason is that it is currently a locality and not a suburb. Make sure you do a search on the Australian Geographical Place Names database http://www.ga.gov.au/map/names/ before adding a suburb. If it comes up with a result of LOCB (Locality Bounded) and is not already in the wiki, it is ok to add. If it comes up with a LOCU (Locality Unbounded) then find the suburb it belongs to first. Chances are the content may already be there. Cheers. --Biatch 06:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * the only changes I made were to standardise the infobox and put the geocoords in external links, so no harm done :) Orderinchaos78 08:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Perth airport
I might have just done a wrong revert on this art - what do you think? Small cf Singapores Changi maybe - but, ...? SatuSuro 12:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It has a domestic and international terminal with numerous international airlines, regular flights at most times, etc... I think small would be Cairns or Launceston. Orderinchaos78 12:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'm off for a week tommorrow - probably will send an email before logging off - just as I was getting warmed up to start a whole lot of Indonesian stubs :(  - oh well where I am going has no internet - hmph! SatuSuro 12:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * haha oh well... I know how that feels :P Hope you have a good time! I got completely distracted by Melbourne today. They seem to like the "bring your own wood" approach to infoboxes over there, and I'm part of a group trying to standardise all the geo boxes in Australia. I was supposed to be doing that and ended up writing the entire history of a rather obscure near-urban town. Still recovering from Tuesday - seems the skin on the backs of both knees got badly burnt on my walk. Orderinchaos78 12:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Pawpaw (red container) I used to know it as green magic - can be good forthat possibly.... SatuSuro 12:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Gould Creek
I took out the part about the power station being in gould creek because it is actually in Hillbank I take it you used the UBD street directory for your infomation. the street directory is wrong with this suburb boundry I don't know why but otherwise it is a good article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrabooka (talk • contribs) 25 Nov 2006
 * Thanks for the info and comments. You're correct re the UBD - it's amazing how many anomalies there are with these directories! We've had a few such issues in the outer east of Perth with local council boundaries. I suppose we can simply add the information to Hillbank, being careful to substitute the correct name where applicable. Edit: Now done. Orderinchaos78 13:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Melbourne suburb infobox standardisation
If anyone is coming here because they want to know what on earth is going on with their Melbourne suburb watchlist, I am doing a massive infobox standardisation as part of the work ongoing at Template:Infobox Australian Place. Orderinchaos78 00:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The infoboxes look good. Where are you getting your information from about the size of the suburbs?  Some of it seems a bit dubious.  Bangholme is larger than 400 square metres, for example.  --ozzmosis 03:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, the templates are good, the tricky part is now incorporating it into articles. Thanks for the encouragement on my articles! Everyone needs to tell eachother when they do a good job the same as when they do a bad job. Thanks heaps. Nick carson 10:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Seaforth McKenzie's
Thanks - I am now realised how bloody complicated it is going to do a good disambig on the name and the game - I must explain sometime - my knee is fixed by lots of walking, no tv, no radio and no teenagers for a week - and plenty of air not far from garden island (clue!) no sunburn whatsoever - hope yours fixed up! SatuSuro 14:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sigh - when we get mount isa, kalgoorlie and port hedland all in the one go, then we reach for gnangs flamethrower I say :) Kenneth Seaforth McKenzie was an old guildfordian - author and mates to tge big names in sydney in the 30's and 40's  - Seaforth McKenzie was a new zealander who did a runner on his family there and lived on penguin island for 20 or so years - neither have been done but.... SatuSuro 23:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Rumour has it - before he saw the light (which one it was, or was it the switch) our mate moon had 3 or 4, I've only got 2 and a half at the moment. the main thing is to realise how many you have or feel compelled to check/read/watch... it can be nothing short of hysteria if you accidently keep some user pages on yr wtchlist -  some of my obscure arts never show up - it can depend on what you have on yr list. oh well. SatuSuro 23:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow - I'm impressed by Hesperian's comment below - that's what I call keen - ok I'm but a wimp at 2 and a half - wow - better get back to work, its off to unreality we go etc SatuSuro 15:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't ever start me on reality. At my age the memory of heisenberg's improbablility theorem printed on the front of tee shirts at uni - and the vast store of what become boring jokes from the late douglas adams about probability and improbability leave any sense of what reality could be enough to start the most boring blog in the universe - better than vogon poetry! SatuSuro 15:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey - its like finding a mallee fowl nest for the first time - there's no welcome, there's no post from an irate editor about sandboxes, there's just the steady clogging the bandwidth and server space - its a gem - maybe some sort of throttled turkey award - or little yellow duck (viz dont bite the newbies principles) that hasnt found its sandbox yet?  SatuSuro 15:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Watchlist
I don't think there's a limit. I regularly clean mine out, and I still have 4000 at the moment. Moondyne had over 10,000 before he wiped it and started again. Hesperian 00:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It has its benefits and its drawbacks. On the one hand, nothing escapes my watchlist - yes, I have Port Hedland on there - but on the other hand, you find yourself not even bothering to look at most edits; unless the article is a high priority, you rely on user names / edit summaries / instinct to tell you what edits to check out and what to let slide.
 * I've only logged on for a sec; no time to check it out now. I'll have a look tonight. Hesperian 08:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Melbourne suburbs distance
Hi, thanks for helping with the suburbs of Melbourne, however shouldn't the distance be measured in a straight line, not along the train line or road? JohnnoShadbolt 13:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey!

I really commend your work with WP:IAP, it makes a huge difference. I noticed you were editing Template:MelbSuburbBox1 the same time I was coz i kept getting edit conflicts (so i moved to Template:Infobox Australian Suburb2 instead.

Anyway, keep up the good work! --TheJosh 06:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Gentles does it vs Rottweiler
Maybe you should let gnang and moon know as well - there's the possibility that with holidays starting we're going to get this style of editing on certain arts and we will have to invent a new welcome template specifically for this sort -  yellow ducky in the bathtub image with rottweiler image and perhaps some careful  delicate explanation of fear of death of bandwidht and wiki server collapse... SatuSuro 08:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah the silent unresponsive type plodding throughthe trenches unflinching. I am sure there is somewhere  someone has done a psych profile of the range of wiki newbies. SatuSuro 12:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Meadow Street
In the Great Eastern Highway article, you state that Meadow Street is signed as State Route 51, not State Route 52. The latter is true, however. If you don't believe me, take a drive out there; after all, I live in the northern foothills, and know all about the roads in the Guildford-Midland area.-- M  W  Johnson  12:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Oh, and if you think that is unreliable signage, take a drive both down and up Roe Highway sometime. There are at least 3 incorrect signage occurances heading on the highway southbound, and one heading northbound. See if you can find them!-- M  W  Johnson  13:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ohmigawd local knowledge again - you need to come up for a cup of tea/tinnie so we can have a laugh about the DLI lack of checkers before they put out the new road directories (!)

Actually - between the Guildford or Helena road bridges and west Midland/Woodbridge the visual chaos for the average punter has not been helped by the signage anyways SatuSuro 02:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Brisbane suburbs infobox
Hi,

I see that you're replacing the old template "BrisSuburbBox" with the new infobox. Thanks for doing this! However, I have started a discussion on WP:AWNB#Median_property_prices_in_Brisbane_suburb_articles that might interest you, concerning the "Property Value" field that you're including in all of them. I thought that as you were one of the ones doing a lot of the work, that it might be of particular interest to you.

Cheers,

Lankiveil 02:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC).


 * I concur, and thanks! However, I've put the suburbs which are in Pine Rivers into their own category (instead of Brisbane), as technically they are not in the Brisbane LGA. --Arnzy (talk • contribs) 07:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:IAP text size
To be honest - all of it? :) Take a look at an article that uses Template:Infobox Bridge, such as Tasman Bridge - the 90% text actually looks pretty good :) -- Chuq 02:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

yawn
another email SatuSuro 02:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow you guys are busy today - you'll probably have us all boxed in by the end of the day : oh well the clarification is in the mile. SatuSuro 04:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Confessionals can be found on hesp and rebec's talk pages this evening, and I havent even got to responding to merbabu yet! :) SatuSuro 12:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

idea?
A side issue from the issue being kept on the wiki perth project talk page - why not a list of names of roads/malls/arcades in Perth CBD? (possibly including historical) watcha think? Possibly a way of keeping tabs of things as they progress? SatuSuro 14:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)?


 * NAH it just smells that way :) SatuSuro 22:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi Orderinchaos78, thanks for your comments. While I have been plodding around Victoria in your dust cloud, I have noticed you have been on a whirlwind trip around Australia, with a mighty effort on infoboxes, occasionaly hovering for substantial edits as well as keeping the burbs honest during your tour of duty. Well done!--Melburnian 13:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * My goodness, I hope Jimbo is paying you well ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Melburnian (talk • contribs) 12:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Potts Point
Where did you get the figure of 9000 from as the population of Potts Point? I got the previous number from the 2001 census results. 9000 is a very unlikely round figure. --Gene_poole 02:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah - 9007 - now that I can believe. Thanks for the link. Now I'm wondering where I found the 12,000 number originally. --Gene_poole 02:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Mooroolbark, Victoria
Your recalcitrant anon seems to have been scared off by the prospect of discussion. That was easy. Hesperian 06:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Images
dam i sneezed, just upload the images to commons under the same name that they have here, once thats done drop me a list of images and I'll delete them. Just remember that you cant change licensing when you load them to commons. Gnangarra 15:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Backwards and uspdie dnow
I am hoping to catch up with gn soon to compare notes on a ver large number of jpegs - they might or might not direct a Perth CBD photo set - or not. Getting so caught up in the maritime hist project (did I tell you) and bits of indonesia and general scattered loose head stuff that - no there seemed to be a general seized moment like all other 1,432 threads that I have had the pleasure of inflicting upon others :)  - I mean my watch lists is closwly creeping to 3,000 and my edit - well I havent even found a working counter - probably 99.98 percent talk page or something like that. Anyways keep in contact - need to nut out a number of Perth project issues! SatuSuro 13:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Backwards?
 * See bdo &mdash;Moondyne 15:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

In the middle
of something else - but I suspect we need the Perth road thing with Wellington north boundary, river south, causeway east, and barracks arch west - not every street needs to be done - but Ireckon the disambigs with other places for most of the streets will be fun alone. Will try to let you know somehow of the outcome of the bringing the photo out exercise wqhenerver it happens. SatuSuro 11:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have referred winchester the shopping centre person to you as the template king.... dont let me down!! heheh....SatuSuro 02:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh well good to see that you guys know each other - that helps! enjoy your sorting the templete thing out - I'll have to learn one day! SatuSuro 02:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * My barometer has dropped - currently 1019 (glen forrest) and steady SatuSuro 02:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Perth/Hobart parallel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hobart#The_four_Hobarts - I think is direcctly relevant to Perth - what do you think? SatuSuro 02:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Also I got into a bit of a tiz with the marg river article - I'd appreciate any suggestion about what we can do to the art - it looks like a big cleanup could done - the leeuwin naturaliste nat park art feels like one of the stubs I did about a year ago as well... SatuSuro 08:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Photos
I saw your note on Satu's page and see that you do requests (just joking). If you or anyone else reading this is going down Mandurah way in the next week or so, I need some shots of the Dawesville Cut. Else I'll go down myself in a couple of weekends time. &mdash;Moondyne 15:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's be fantastic OIC. If possible from the estuary end towards the ocean, particularly taking in the bridge (and if you can get it into the frame, the ocean entrance). Also from the bridge looking down towards the opening into the ocean.  And, if possible, the sandtrap on the south groyne (there's some machinery and a small groyne which runs perpendicular to the main south groyne which catches the sand drift coming from the south.  And anything else you think worthwhile.  Cheers. &mdash;Moondyne 00:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza!
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Whinge
I was thinking of making a wikimedia extention, like ParserFunctions, say called ParserCode that would provide a complete programming language within the page.

ex:

That would look through the first 10 parameters fed to the function, outputting them. --TheJosh 07:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Got your template working, although differently to how you had it. The master IF is clearer now, the top half is the short version, the bottom the long version. Currently the short version is creating a new table for each row, but you could change that behavior, by removing the  and replacing it with a , and also changing the line   to  . You would probably want to move that line to the last line so there is no bad whitespace. --TheJosh 12:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Ex- iiNet Global Web?
I picked up your comments in my user talk page. Are you by chance a former employee of the Borg Empire? thewinchester 09:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's worse, are you employee of that Claremont based ISP who's name shall not be spoken? thewinchester 09:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Then i'm trying to figure out who you are. Care to share a first name? thewinchester 09:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Then for heavens sake would you drag your backside onto MSN so I can shout and scream at you, the former independent candidate for the seat of Victoria Park. thewinchester 09:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

You lived up to your wikiname on Thuringowa
You created order out of chaos on Thuringowa! I compared the edit series you just completed from when you started and GREAT JOB! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SauliH (talk • contribs) 03:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC).
 * There is still Thuringowa City Council that should probably be cleaned up, deleted and redirected. Since you have made a start on the whole Thuringowa thing, I will leave it to you to decide what to do with this page if you wish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mattinbgn (talk • contribs) 05:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

Copyright violators
In the future, when this happens, don't hesitate to remove all the copied text unless you can be sure it's not copyrighted. Also, telling off the person who added it is generally reccomended. Thanx for tagging the articel though... 68.39.174.238 21:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Western Australia
Get on board if you can spare a keystroke or two. Regards Fred.e 08:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the portal entry is not correct (projects cities is the line) we need to check to see if any other states have state projects and forgot to put them on...SatuSuro 11:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have moved it - we will have to wait till we've stirred enough other states to have a line/mother project of states of australia SatuSuro 12:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Lost a huge diatribe of mine due to edit conflict with you in the australia contintent issue - gawd we must be following each other :} SatuSuro 12:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Roads; it was a rushed late-night comment. I meant to imply that the strength of wikipedia is its interconnectedness. Culture, art, sport, science, etcetera -focused editors can collaborate on pages via the project. Geography is not my strength (pls don't tell satu suro!) but will consult you when needed. Still finding my feet on WP. Two (2) pages and counting ... Fred.e 13:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Look at your talk page fred...SatuSuro 13:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I did. Look at reply ;| Fred.e 14:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Will check back about politics, making a short list for expansion and linking. Regards Fred.e 14:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

your edit in Why doesn't WIkipedia care about accuracy
hi mate thanks for the info but the map is a dead link if you can go back and edit it with the working link it would be great as i think this is what people need to see to help put a end to a silly ongoing dispute with one user thaks for your input Thuringowacityrep 12:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks mate Thuringowacityrep 12:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Western Australia
As you are a member of WP:WA, I would like to invite you to add a userbox I created for the project. It looks like this; Template:User WikiProject Western Australia Cheers! -- M  W  Johnson  00:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

ho hum
Maybe the more vocal ones - then there's the hidden mass of the users - ironically theres a couple of very consistent editors who dont like to use theirs or others tlk page at all... ? .... SatuSuro 06:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Drudgery = we need to be able to organise to put up WP Australia in _every_ wet ausrilian article -  and to be able to put inside that WestAustralia=yes inside - I am not sure how we organise that....SatuSuro 07:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh well - its up and running - I owe you the beer/coffee/ginger beer/wine/alfalfa tea when we have every article in captitivity (I suppose the bet is how many arts accurately and legitimately link to wa? ) you have the advantage - I have teenagers and am dads taxi... :) SatuSuro 07:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you should be tagging places out of WP:AUSPLACES when you tag them into WP:WA. I think of it as akin to the category system: Until we have, we categorise articles into both  and. In the same way, until/unless someone creates WikiProject Western Australian places, articles like Barrow Island (Western Australia) should be tagged into both WikiProject Australian places and WikiProject Western Australia.

The other way to look at it is that this article still comes within WP:AUSPLACES defined sphere of interest. There's no OWNership of articles here, so we can declare an interest in an article but we can't tell another WikiProject to lose interest.

Hesperian 11:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a better example is my beloved WP:BANKSIA. Just because most Banksia species occur in WA doesn't mean I have to choose between WP:WA and WP:PLANTS as a parent; it is a child of both. Hesperian
 * Pleasure working with you as always ;-) Hesperian 11:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Bridgetown, Western Australia
I just ntoiced your rewrite, fantastic work. That was a sterling job and is an example of wikipedia at its finest. Have a barnstar. Viridae Talk 11:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

hum ho ho ho
Gordons question on my talk might be a distraction from your industrious work! SatuSuro 11:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * And in case you didnt spot the message below fred e's comment above - he scored my villain for his honesty! SatuSuro 13:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

History of telephone systems in Australia
Where would I be able to get information on this? I've always been fascinated by how telephone systems work and especially the way telephone numbers are allocated. The only way I'd be able to access books is by scanning them but the scanning program I use can handle most texts as long as they're not handwritten. Do you have any material in digital form on this? I grabbed the Western Australian list of phone number prefixes that used to be here at the ACA ebsite but that's the only material I have. Graham 87 11:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Silly
The latest edit to albany, and some others suggest the season is indeed. I think I may well quit for a while - or ignore my watch list when red link editors show up - I have just bitten a newcomer elsewhere- after having handled some with cottom wool unnecessarily yester day - I cant seeem to get a balance with it. Trust all is well on your side of the sandlfat...SatuSuro 06:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The trying to insert some silliness somewhere else found this -No personal compliments gawd we west oz editors would be take out at dawn on that one !!!:) 03:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You might find the proscribed item for gnangs condition to copyedit as well - check his talk page! SatuSuro 11:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Gardenvale Suburb
(for my ref: *)

Hi. There are two Gardenvales - one is Gardenvale 3185 and Gardenvale 3187. Can you fix that up by making two articles one Gardenvale (3185) and other Gardenvale (3187). Maybe even a Gardenvale (Disambiguity) giving links to both suburbs. Cheers136.186.1.197 21:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've looked on Auspost, Australian Gazetteer and in the Melway but can only see one Gardenvale (3185) - 3187 is the postcode for its neighbour to the south, Brighton East. On searching Google I get 2 matches (with 37 duplicates) of two federal awards with addresses in Gardenvale 3187 which are clearly in the 3185 one (Perfect Blinds and Stripwood Antiques, 113 and 131 Gardenvale Road). My 1998 UBD suggests Gardenvale was at that time an ungazetted locality split along Gardenvale Road between Elsternwick (3185) and Brighton East (3187) - this may explain the odd distinction. Might actually give Glen Eira a call and see what they say. Thanks for bringing it up. Orderinchaos78 22:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, don't forget to call Bayside City Council because the Gardenvale 3187 is in Bayside. I do recall someone telling me that Gardenvale 3185 is the smallest suburb in Victoria.136.186.1.193 03:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Boundary of Gardenvale
Hi, Doesn't Gardenvale begin at Gardenvale Rd not Elster Ave?136.186.1.192 20:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)136.186.1.192 20:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC) no woories mate - thanks for all that - it is true what they say - you learn something everyday - thanks for your contribution to our local history. Cheers136.186.1.186 02:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Mindarie High Schools
Actually all three are High Schools -- even if they combine primary schools as well. As checked BEFORE inclusion on their respective websites. Gordon | Talk, 12:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Shire of Murchison
needs the full OIC treatment, if you're interested. Hesperian 01:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Before you even touch it - give me a call - I need to explain a few things about it! SatuSuro 02:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually we need an official street name policy revisit on the perth project page sometime... SatuSuro 10:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * "'May your sense of humour be revived,
 * May your loved ones smile and be there for you,
 * May the turkeys only be eaten and not on wikipedia in any animate form,
 * May may your faith in life be revived at this time,
 * May long lost friends turn up out of the blue,
 * May you enjoy life,
 * and may all red link aggressives evaporate into server black holes for this season.....''

and check out Can we help you? again.... For your help with the murchison synechdoche >..SatuSuro 13:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, thats my way of saying thanks and happy christmas at the same time - the feral goats of the murchison are happier creatures because of your hard work! SatuSuro 13:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Swan River maniacs
Re: beached Pianos. Likely for first settlers who lived at beach while "arrangements were made". Mania was a little later. Will dig out refs (paper). Fred.e 16:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

San Francisco Sour Dough w/ scrambled eggs :)
Started on New Norcia if you wanted another go. Good idea OiC. Will return with forgotten query!Fred.e 02:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Time gentlemen please
For patriotic fervour at Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport SatuSuro 15:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * For time stretched see my conversation with Chuq re the poissibility of another project ???!!! I think I'll have to bilocate or trilocate (a common happening in Javanese sacred places admittedly, but then thats another story... SatuSuro 02:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We could do all australian states yet :/  SatuSuro 03:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey I havent even got a handle on the maritime project yet let alone anything else - but the angle of the smile was / --- I feel that we have a very long way to go with wa as well - but - I would think the tassie one is not as crazy as wa or nsw - but its time and people preparedd to chip in.... and other things too - hey its illy seaso and you are not allowed to take nythin too erious! SatuSuro 04:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh the latest instalment in orangutan is that michael and I created the oa in pop cult as assisted by two refs from hesp. I am seriously thnking about doing the Rat in pop culture after having taken my younger two to charlottes web... SatuSuro 04:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Adoption Answer
Sure! I'll love to be adopted by you, and you seem like a nice person to help me learn the ins and outs of editing Wikipedia. So let's get started! KatzeFelineFriend 18:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, for a first, I've seen people with userboxes stacked all along the side of their user page, with titles for each section. Do you know do they do that? KatzeFelineFriend 19:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Edit: All in column, if you're wondering. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KatzeFelineFriend (talk • contribs) 19:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Yeeess! Thank you! It's exactly what I was looking for. Now to go actually put it on my user page, instead of just on my personal sandbox... KatzeFelineFriend 19:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Adopt Me
Yeah you seem like a great guy, and I would be grateful. Tough luck about Daylight Savings, I've decided to keep my watch on Universal Time. I am currently in USA but will be back in Perth in early January. I miss Perth and the leafy streets, just thinking about how leafy it is makes me feel homesick. Don't get me wrong Boston is leafy enough but it is a different kind of leafy-likeliness. --AresAndEnyo 21:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm still organising present and last minute things
Otherwise I would have sent you a very long email. So enjoy - have really enjoyed working with you and watching your endless edits pass by on my watchlist ;0   - have a very safe christmas - and dont let the turkeys invade - literal or metaphorical - hope to talk to you againas always in the near future in this old goldfishbowl! translate - all that means happy christmas and a bloody good new year! I think I better archive and shut up shop before I even try to explain the hundred threads of thought I was going to send email about.... later! SatuSuro 10:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Mooroolbark
Somehow I've managed to fritter away all my 'pedia time tonight ushering B. brownii through TFA. Didn't get to Mooroolbark. Sorry. No guarantee I'll get to it tomorrow either (as I'm sure you'll understand). But I won't forget. Hesperian 12:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I had a look earlier today; as you said there's not a lot I can do at the moment; you seems to have handled it reasonably well. Hesperian 11:54, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Christmas Day
Its disturbing to see how busy wikipedia is on christmas day - need heads up on Kings Park- It might need watching more carefully.... I am not here ! :) SatuSuro 01:12, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Orphan no more
Yep ok - i like your work Fancyfootwork 07:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Cape Schanck, Victoria help with info box image please?
Hi - I have just uploaded a self-made image to the Cape Schanck page but can't quite understand the info box details required to get a 'clean image' link - as you will see. Can you assist please? V   i    r    tual    Steve   08:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Job done since my request - thank you anyway.  V    i    r    tual    Steve   09:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

RFA
Would you be interested in being nominated for adminship? Hesperian 10:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There's no rush. Do your reading, if you haven't already. Make sure you're familiar with the RFA process. Get your edit summary usage up to 100%, if it's not already - it looks pretty darn close to it. Have a look at why some nominations have been opposed e.g. Gnangarra's was opposed by one editor because of a perception of minimal involvement in the AFD process. Have a think about how you would answer the RFA questions. I'll have a think about, and talk to others about, phrasing a nomination. Let me know when you're ready. One last point: if you would prefer to be nominated by someone else, I'm happy to defer to them. Hesperian 11:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also have a read of current discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship as they indicate what is the current big issue with RFA at the moment. also here's a link to my rfa as suggested, but I think this current RfA may hold more of an insight. Gnangarra 01:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll add my support to this idea also. If you do decide to proceed, my advice is to be very prepared, and not take it too personally if it goes awry. It is a bit of a lottery, despite your good credentials.  &mdash;Moondyne 06:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Take care - we're with you - (as you can see here)  just let no turkeys graze here before you've got your blunderbus loaded.... SatuSuro 08:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've had a chat to a few people by email. Everyone seems to agree that you would make a good administrator, but there are a few doubts about whether you would have an easy ride through the RfA process if we go for it now. Heads wiser than mine have suggested that you should get a featured article under your belt first. How do you feel about that? Hesperian 11:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want to make getting an article featured a priority, I'd be happy to collaborate with you to make it happen. Just pick an article and let me know... so long as it isn't something utterly tedious... like a plant.... :-) But seriously, I'd like to be involved. Hesperian 11:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * before WP:SNOW and a force go now aka my rfa or complaints about campaigning suggest some thoughtful archiving especially since this will have a couple of weeks, before it eventuates. Gnangarra 11:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Removal/ redirecting of Thuringowa City Council
Hi Orderinchaos78, I invite your input into the Talk:Townsville%2C_Queensland discussion, RE your redirecting of Thuringowa City Council. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 10:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Hamersley
Hi. Thanks for e.mail, reply tomorrow. Just noticed this yr note at hesp's. I have come across a few suburb articles when wikilinking related things. This is way above those in quality. The only comment I can make is the difficulty of representing a suburb with a picture. Maybe a plan view from somewhere? Fred 13:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Politics section is very good. Take your skills to the Western suburbs pages. "They consistently vote Liberal" is about all you get. Slightly weighted phrasing throughout these arts. Fred

I'm speechless. Your templates are amazing. Are the colours arbitrary? Think the one at Hams. has the edge for legibility. The other for neatness, is undisruptive. Is temporal data ok from WP POV or do you anticipate it will be updated. Probably will be. Tables with data already entered are simpler for wikidiots like me to edit. I didn't realise Hamersley was your bench mark. My new years Resolution will be to make better use of my subpages, as you have. Regards Fred 14:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Base line.
Colours from a template also created by you! I'm starting to glean how they work from this conversation. I'm going to start swiping your code, as well. I'm afraid your reply requires another email. Asleep at the keyboard currently, so tomorrow. Except for this mad idea:
 * User definable tables. A drop down menu to choose an election result. Should be easy :)

Did I hear a whisper, by the way? Fred 15:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Watermans
I saw ref to this in some talk somewhere - and did some links - please feel free to respond whether you think the links are appropriate or not. Been seeing movies non stop - youngest and I at flushed away tonight - and was intrigued at the interspecies rivalry - I think my failed attempt at Rats in popular culture the other am will probably evolve into anthropomorphic stuff - and the link with politics in this stuff is amazing. I wonder if someone has done a phd on aardman and shrek peoples work yet? it deserves it. SatuSuro 15:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The mad tagging today has eventuated in the ultimate - it was Purwodadi Grobogan (or somethink like that) intro sentence with about three links - then a huge article and not one done. V frustrating - it really intimidates my sense of links and possible links being ignored.    As for the sad sad item - either afd or redirect or - we need to populate from the talk pages where we have hasshed the bloodyt subject for what feels at least a year.  If youwere part of that ngoing dialogue was it on someones talk page or a n article talk page I canno remember... SatuSuro 04:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Two comments on what you just said on Friday's page
I agree with you in general, but... -- SCZenz 10:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Blocking isn't punishment, so issues of double jeapordy don't exactly apply. In the event of continued misdeeds, looking at past blocks provides insights into whether continued patience is likely to be rewarded.
 * 2) I mislike the differentiation between administrators and non-admins that some users are so fond of making. I wish you wouldn't encourage it.

Townplannerse
You rang? SatuSuro 16:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

LOL. I might be be able to help sats with modern interpretation of that particular dialect. Fred 16:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Order when you read these highly illuminating items- just check the times- very unhealthy times to be on wikipedia in our timezone - then a breath test as well parheps - moiboi the best state of head to read the stuff!SatuSuro 16:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Pardon me, I thought these were older docs. Came in at end of conversation thread. I can add nothing to this. Must ask you about Battye and upload. Regards Fred 05:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Welcome. I'll try to help out with Hamersley article however I can. It is amazing to me how often things turn out to be interesting if you look into them deeply enough. When I was writing Yagan, I came across a passing reference to a "T. J. Pettigrew". No reason to believe there's a story there, and I almost didn't bother looking into it. But I did, and the end result was an article on the intriguing Thomas Pettigrew. Hesperian 13:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

image on commons
HI I've delete the version here and fixed the links to point to the new image. When you move an image to commons you dont need to alter the name, when the image is deleted from here all the links still work. Gnangarra 00:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

ISBNS
I'm very pleased you've fixed some IBSNs. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 01:00 29 December 2006 (GMT).

Tassie
Its on we change hobart to tasmania - and go for it. Please contact me to let me know you can help. SatuSuro 01:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Will get around to townplannerise today sometime - see my talk for longhairs prepearing the way for us! SatuSuro 02:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * While youve been out today.... not much has happened....SatuSuro 11:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Caulfield East 3145
Hi, Can you please find out for me what are the boundary of the suburb Caulfield East? Would it be Neerim Rd, Grange Rd, Kambrook Rd and Booran Rd? Thanks 203.213.97.70 05:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep - south, east, west and southwest respectively - with the north being Station St, Smith St and Dandenong Road, putting Caulfield train station and Monash Uni Caulfield Campus (on Dandenong Road) within the boundaries (Monash's website appears to confirm this interpretation). Hope this helps :) Orderinchaos78 05:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I can tell I've been on too long
When I try to do something like work on three projects and cannot even link that bloody meetup page properly. (Longhair did a bit) its just an idea - I suggest somewhere in the city on a weekend - preferable a saturday - open to all - I would say somewhere politically loaded like the bell tower - :) SatuSuro 07:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)  Sigh, another email SatuSuro 07:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * In that portal thingy I had asked cj to rebuild it so that we had the state projects - but I think I put it inside a section of his talk - and he didnt see it SatuSuro 08:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Taking kids to movies again - will probably check things later tonight...SatuSuro 08:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Punk Boi
The enthusiam is fast fading. -- Longhair\talk 10:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Ormond Victoria
Hi Can you confirm that Ormond has two postcodes. It is 3163 above North Road and 3204 below North Road Cheers203.213.96.173 02:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)