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Thank you for creating a user page. "My" Elektra was Inge Borkh. Nice to meet you, and thank you for all the cleanup. The Bayreuth Festival links also changed, and I'm not done. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Gerda, nice to meet you! I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, and your encouragement means a lot. Even though I had been providing corrections and additions from the mid Two-thousands on, I didn't register an account until I stumbled on a red link, leading me to a draft about to be deleted. I basically only registered to safe the Megan Marie Hart draft, and went down the rabbit hole of interconnected marvels and the joy of researching – Thank you for your help and support! OrestesLebt (talk) 11:56, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reminder of her ;) - My first article was deleted, we sit in the same boat ;) - Today, I had a conductor in the DYK section of the Main page, and now an opera. She should go there, too. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for thanking, but how about a limit of one click per person per day ;) - We need to do something about the Awards, and I don't want to be one to prune, but taking part in a competition is not for posteriority, + anything without reference should go. By the way, we never need more than three refs for one fact, - better one good one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had just discovered the 'thank' feature. :) I was just about to write on the drafts talk page about the Awards section. I feel the same, every unsourced entry can go. My original intention was to save as much from the draft as I found it. How naïve of me. :) Should I go even further, and leave only first places and wins? Receiving a 'grant' in a competition with first to third places is not exactly a 'win'. OrestesLebt (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Normally I write on the article talk, but in this case, as the draft will be moved to mainspace, I thought we could keep such stuff out and deal with it "on the side" ;) - Yes, why not just first and second? She will hopefully thank us some day ;) - Sigh, reminds me of my last operas singer, and when I was ready he changed his name. No idea yet what to do. I silently hope he will sleep over it and revert that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * (What is the custom for indents? Should I just start at the beginning again?) As for name change, I think this singer is not going to do this … again. She used to be mostly credited as Megan Hart, but not consistently, which made research a bit difficult. One instance had her as Megan Marie, without her last name. From younger newspaper articles, I know that she is married, so she either kept her name, or uses a stage name. What is Andreas Bauer now called? Or is that the new name? Can you just make a redirect page for the old name? And one important question: Do I just move the page from draft to mainspace, or should I use the "resubmit" button in the red box? (Again, thank you so much for all your help! I learned more in the last two days than in all the weeks before.) OrestesLebt (talk) 16:26, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * To see how Andreas Bauer is called just look at his website and a ref. At least Andreas Bauer is still part of it, - he had probably enough from being confused with sports people. If it stays I'll make a redirect for the new name, because 95% of the refs still have the short name, and some will forever. - Her name: use what most recent sources have, give the other as "also known". Not the one with just given names, that could be just a mistake, or doesn't look serious. I knew a soprano who wanted to go by the name of just "Marie" but was talked out of it. - I'll move that draft when I'm happy. - Indent: - it's your page, and when it get's uncomfortable, use od. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

(Now, isn't that fancy!) Found him, thanks. I'm going to look into the sources again. I already got rid of one. OrestesLebt (talk) 17:10, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Based on advice by project opera, I moved him with a note where to find the explanation (it's his mother's maiden name). - Back to Megan Marie: the performance for the Dalai Lama would be a nice hook, but I can't find a ref that she did, - an announcement is not worth much. Perhaps trim refs with that in mind. One solid review is better than three announcements. What would you put in a short line to attract attention? Voix humaine? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Glad to read you could resolve this so fast! The different name topic interests me a lot, as I'm still not sure how to weave the different name credits in. The original article claimed she started using her full name in 2013, but I found instances of her being credited with her full name years before, and with the short name years after. =( As for the "hook", I assume you mean adding something gripping to the lead section? My own interest was sparked by a red link of her name under a photo used on Bourbon Baroque. But apart from the occasional oratorio, she doesn’t seem to be doing early music a lot since. Initially, I liked the performing Jewish composers music part for a hook. She has been quoted in newspapers saying that she is a Jewish atheist. But that was 1. in German and 2. required a subscription to read. Also, with recent antisemitic developments in mind, I feel somewhat hesitant to emphasise this fact. I will look again for any sources of the performance for the Dalai Lama. Some of the TV footage is on Youtube, but alas, it ends right before the orchestra performance. Utterly useless. I like the La voix humane idea. Maybe I can find out more about her role debut at Oberlin. The female only aspect of the 2016 production is very interesting, I think. The director was listed as assistant director in the ensemble page of the theatre. It is possible this show was her first opera staging. Alas, no source. Which brings me to a question – Could I use primary sources, if I was to contact them? This is relevant for something else too, I wanted to start a list of winners of the Marilyn Horne Song Competition, and since sources are scarce, I thought of writing to the Marilyn Horne Museum for help. But what if they just email back a list of names (assuming they have them at all)? Would that be a usable source? Sorry for the long text, and thank you again for your help and support! OrestesLebt (talk) 11:42, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your thoughts. Gripping not for the lead but for one sentence, max 200 characters, for the DYK section on the Main page. Operatic history here, from recent to a time before me ;) - I don't think we should focus on religion, but music. (I have the same with Bach's church works.) For this very purpose, we want a secondary source, absolutely. - Whatever, the article on the Marylin Horne comp would profit greatly if you took care of it! The organization should best publish a list of recipients openly, - can you persuade them? ;) - We have a few more days, but I'll be with company, which is great but less time for such things. - She recently (September) made her debut in Gounod's Faust, - would you find more on that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Guess I'll write some emails then. =) My hopes are high for the Marilyn Horne Museum to answer. In addition, I'll try the Music Academy of the West for a list of winners of the Horne competition, as well as Oberlin Conservatory for a list of the Faustina Hurlbutt recipients. The sentence about her winning this was based on the award being listed on her official website, and my own research telling me this is bestowed upon graduation. The year given (2005) might actually be wrong (unless this award is given out to bachelors), since I believe she got her M.Mus. in 2006! The more I know, the more I realise how little I know … OrestesLebt (talk) 14:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I did not quite understand that there was a deadline. No replies yet to my emails. Maybe after the holidays. Merry Christmas! OrestesLebt (talk) 14:01, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for reviewing, and thanks for the information. I'm still gathering material, just can't seem to find time for wikipedia. Could you by any chance tell me how I can access the content of the page now? I did unfortunately not keep a copy, and would hate to have to start from scratch again! Thanx again, OrestesLebt (talk) 08:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Never fear, you can see previous revisions of a page by going to the "view history" tab, near the star that lets you add it to your watchlist. If you already have the sources to meet a notability guideline in hand, you can just hit undo to revert the edit and then make your edits. If you think it might take more time and you want to be able to work on it without disruptions, we can also move it to draft space. signed,Rosguill talk 08:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow, thank you so much for the fast reply!! Could you do me a huge favour and move it to draft then? I don't think I know how to move an old version to draft. That is, besides using copy and paste, that I could do. OrestesLebt (talk) 08:31, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Lol, please don't copy paste, you lose the page history that way and it's a mess to clean up, admins need to get involved. signed,Rosguill talk 08:46, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The article is now at Draft:John Austin Clark. Instructions on how to move it back to mainspace are at WP:MOVE. Be sure to remove the (musician) from the title, the general convention is that if there's only one person at the name, you don't need profession tags, I just added it to avoid having to wait for an admin to do cleanup and delete your old draftspace redirect. signed,Rosguill talk 08:59, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Rosguill, please excuse the very, very late reply. I finally got around to re-write the article John Austin Clark. Would you mind having a look at it? Thank you! --OrestesLebt (talk) 22:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * At this point it's in the new pages queue, so a reviewer will get to it eventually. The backlog is quite long, so it may take some time. signed,Rosguill talk 23:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! --OrestesLebt (talk) 00:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Talkback
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DYK for Megan Marie Hart
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 * Thank you, I almost missed it! OrestesLebt (talk) 23:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations! She is also featured on Portal:Germany ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and thanks again for all your help! I have to say, did not expect that Wikipedia would end up feeling this exciting and rewarding! (I didn't even know that there was a Germany Portal …) OrestesLebt (talk) 23:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * There are many portals, and projects, - look around! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:34, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * More than 1,3k views, that's better than most opera singers. Keep the excitement. Please keep an eye on project opera, for more articles that may need improvement. You do that well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Landestheater Detmold
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DYK for Ewandro Stenzowski
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, Gerda Arendt, all because of your help and support! I will look into the recent changes on the Landestheater_Detmold page soon, seems like I translated some rubbish "facts"… OrestesLebt (talk) 11:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)


 * A year ago, you were recipient no. 2156 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thinking of you, listening on radio to Elektra from the 2020 Salzburg Festival, and the baritone just told her "dass ihr Sohn Orest gestorben ist". - And now she sings "Orest". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays


May you have very Happy Holidays, OrestesLebt ...

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music.

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Schoenberg
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Precious anniversary
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 * Thank you so much! Three years already ... and how much the world has changed. OrestesLebt (talk) 06:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. Thank you, for the clean-up of the paid editing, and for the defence of structured information. I wish we could get away from discussing editors and their "manners" and "inflammations" to facts. Most articles on Meyerbeer's operas have an infobox, DYK? To exclude one, only because of the personal feeling of a main editor, seems no service to our readers. I really like Smerus, as you will know. Therefore it hurts me more, but that is obviously of no concern to some. What about the inflammation of the many who have missed a box for Mozart over the years? That would be a long list. I passed the last RfC there, was so tired of it, but perhaps that was a mistake? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that infoboxes have been (and clearly are still) subject of heated discussions, but don't understand why?! I am sorry you felt hurt! I can relate to the dislike of visual change, since I'm still struggling to get used to the new wikipedia look myself. I can also relate to emotional reactions, this paid editing thing got me angry. And I could understand the objection if infoboxes could only be autogenerated from wikidata (though I have to say that I'm intrigued by the prospect, and hope to use that in the future). Just tried the infobox person/wikidata template on our first project together, Megan Marie Hart, and I don't like the result. One college gets listed twice in "alma mater", for bachelor and master separately, I assume. If someone changed the article to make use of this generated box and removed the original one, I would probably tinker with the blacklist settings. I appreciate the prompts to edit the wikidata entry, even though wikidata scares me a bit. I don't really understand how all these connections work, and always fear to break something. But, despite all that, I still find infoboxes to be tremendously useful. I can't count the times I've just needed a specific data point and found it in the box, in the blink of an eye. And conversely, the countless times I cursed when there was no box and I had to search the whole page for it. OrestesLebt (talk) 13:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, feel understood. "hurt" was probably too strong, but a header "bad manners" is what I think is too personal, and then talk about my behaviour, the same. I'd prefer a neutral "Infobox", - just a small example. As you probably saw, my edit summary when adding the box (because the article was on the Main page, and I saw that it could be improved for a larger audience, and found a couple of missing links) was "suggest", - how much more polite could I get? The answer could have been a simple revert (which I expected), after which I'd possibly had dropped the matter altogether (as I did for Georg Solti). The noise on my talk and article talk, however, made me defiant ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I expect that there will be automatic infoboxes in the future anyway. There should be more connectivity between the sister projects. Search engines already read the data and compile it into "knowledge pannels", why not have them right here where the data was collected in the first place?
 * By the way, if you are interested in the whole paid editing story, I discovered it on Instagram! I was looking through a singer's followers, and found a user named "yourwikipediabiography". This account had the name Fu-Lank on it, all the pictures on it where screenshots from Wikipedia, and there was a link to a professional copywriter's website with a price list and links to examples on English, German, and French wikipedia. The account followed hundreds of ensemble singers and actors, presumably to entice them to "buy" a wikipedia entry (it still exists, now set to private). These articles have serious shortcomings, mainly poor sourcing, misrepresentation of facts, name dropping, promotional tone, and questionable notability. After thinking about it for almost a week, I decided to report Fu-Lank on the respective COI noticeboards. And got promptly scolded for it on German wikipedia! Fu-Lank has since been blocked on en, de and fr, but most of his mess remains. I'm absolutely livid about the fact that someone got money for this shoddy work! It took me countless hours to get the articles into the pathetic state they are in now, and they could be gone in no time if anyone ever questions notability. While working on them, I was embarrassed to see how some subjects have been misrepresenting facts in their biographies for decades (perfect example of Fremdschämen). But even though I was angry at the artists for adding to the global onslaught of misinformation and eroding trust in wikipedia, I didn't think they deserve to be publicly marked with the undisclosed paid notice. Fu-Lank is not going to come back to clean up (though he seemed to have tried to hide the shame 1, 2), so I swallowed my anger and got to work, taking lots of breaks and rereading the texts before publishing to keep angry editing out as much as possible. Even though, some of them would have been better off if the pages had been deleted, I think, the actual facts of their careers are not all that glamorous. The French wikipedia editors did just that, they removed some of Fu-Lank's contributions. For which I'm grateful, my understanding of French is poor, and I could not take this on myself. I asked for help on German wikipedia, no luck so far. I tried to edit there myself, but they have this Sichten mechanic, and I don't have the rights to do this (and frankly don't want it. What a rude bunch!). For now, the German articles remain shameful examples of what Wikipedia should not be. OrestesLebt (talk) 14:30, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you, and I admire you for doing all that! - I could help you with "sichten" if you want, or you could put what you want to write in a sandbox here, and I could take it over. I haven't made any edit on the German WP this year ye, other than my user pages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, Gerda! The article I tried to edit so far was Patrick Vogel (Sänger), and I think that's it. I really do not want to work on Fu-Lank's de articles. They seem to be happy with cherry picked reviews over there, including possible copyvio, and I don't want to touch this. I tried to help them by pointing out the paid edits, now it is on them. If I have something to contribute to de again, I will, but this is to much for me! OrestesLebt (talk) 15:02, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * today: two women whose birthday we celebrate today, 99 and 90! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thank you! I notified them just now. OrestesLebt (talk) 12:18, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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Thank you for the cleanup efforts! My story today is about the Alchymic Quartet, - I went away from DYK but it's the last one from last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you also for dealing with the Operabase - popularity thing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The Alchymic Quartet is a fun article! I'm glad you mentioned it, I would have missed it! I added templates for the German. As for operabase, I'm glad it exists, but find the inaccuracies and seemingly randomly hidden content annoying. Still, it is more useful than operabook.org. OrestesLebt (talk) 17:16, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - I loved to see Marian Anderson and her story of protest against discrimination by singing on Easter Sunday 9 April 1939 on the Main page yesterday. Impressions of Easter here and music here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My story today, Messiah (Handel), was my first dip into the FA ocean, thanks to great colleagues. - a few pics added, one day missing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Today is the 80th birthday of John Eliot Gardiner. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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